2014 Winter Meetings Open Thread: Monday

A trip through the December 2007 archive at MLBTR
Monday Night Open Thread

2014 Winter Meetings-002

Baseball’s annual Winter Meetings begin today in San Diego. They technically last four days but it’s really more like three and a half — everyone leaves after the Rule 5 Draft on Thursday morning. The Yankees took care of two important pieces of offseason business on Friday by acquiring Didi Gregorius and signing Andrew Miller, but they still need more pitching and another infielder wouldn’t hurt either. They needed pitching even before trading Shane Greene to get Gregorius.

“The winter’s a long winter. So even if I felt one thing today, it doesn’t mean it’s the same thing tomorrow. I think we legitimately have to walk through and consider all avenues. Some might be more realistic than others, but there’s certain things that can impact us, and we can change our course of action that we weren’t necessarily pursuing early,” said Brian Cashman to Ken Davidoff last week. “We as an organization are open to trying to address the obvious needs. If those efforts prove naught in some cases and I can’t get anywhere with it, then we might be open to considering other aspects, to significantly improving certain areas and wait on the other areas over time to develop.”

The next four days will be the busiest of the offseason in terms of rumors and signings and trades. The Yankees will surely be involved to some degree — even if they don’t make a move this week, expected them to be connected to a lot of players. Most of the top free agent hitters are off the board but all of the top free agent pitchers remain unsigned, so it’s a good time to need pitching like the Bombers. We’re going to keep track of all the day’s Yankees-related rumors right here, so talk about all of them here and make sure you check back often. All timestamps are ET.

  • 8:53pm: There is “no real evidence” the Yankees are in on Jon Lester. If they do go big for a starter, they prefer Max Scherzer. That sure sounds like posturing, doesn’t it? [Jon Heyman]
  • 7:07pm: “Don’t count out the Yankees with Jon Lester,” said one front office person. Lester is supposedly down to the Cubs and Giants, barring a last minute change of heart. Developing! [Jerry Crasnick & Ken Rosenthal]
  • 4:26pm: The Yankees have talked to the Braves about Craig Kimbrel, the Marlins about Steve Cishek, and the Royals about both Wade Davis and Greg Holland. There’s no match with Kansas City though because they want rotation help in return. [George King]
  • 1:45pm: The Giants would likely be out on Chase Headley if the Yankees are willing to offer him $11M to $12M annually on a four-year deal. Man, getting Headley at four years and $44M or so would be awesome. [Jerry Crasnick]
  • 12:19pm: The Yankees are willing to go four years for Chase Headley and David Robertson. As with Andrew Miller, they’ll tack on the fourth year in exchange for a lower annual salary. There is “growing hope in the organization” that Headley will return. [Andrew Marchand & Buster Olney]
  • 11:10am: Jason Hammel, who the Yankees had some interest in earlier this offseason, is returning to the Cubs. It’s a two-year contract worth $18M with a club option. That’s one pitching option off the board. [Jon Heyman & Chris Cotillo]
  • 10:00am: The Yankees recently met with Chase Headley‘s representatives to reiterate their interest in re-signing him. Headley has “suggested to some” that returning to New York is his top choice. A week or two ago we heard the Yankees wouldn’t offer him more than three years and that Headley has a four-year, $64M offer in hand. [Jon Heyman]
  • The Yankees do not have interest in Padres right-handers Andrew Cashner, Ian Kennedy, and Tyson Ross. They aren’t convinced the trio is really available. Cashner and Kennedy will be free agents next offseason while Ross is under team control through 2017. [Andy Martino]
  • Before they acquired Gregorius, the Yankees called the Cubs and asked about Starlin Castro. Chicago said he wasn’t available. The Yankees made several trade offers for shortstops earlier this winter. [Jon Heyman]
A trip through the December 2007 archive at MLBTR
Monday Night Open Thread
  • Drew

    One of the top 5 SS in baseball unavailable? You don’t say.

  • Bret The Hitman

    Castro is not available and that’s obviously a valid excuse. HOWEVER, Upton and Kemp are available and the need for a middle order bat hasn’t changed. Good luck Brian Cashman and Buenos Suerte

    • Nicholas D’Esposito

      Well Kemp has a ton of money left so he is probably an easier target to get, but what do you suggest Cash offer for Upton. They don’t have a Shelby Miller type to offer (using Heyward as a comp). I highly doubt the Braves would want Pineda and a prospect. And even if they did, then the Yankees would have to go out and sign 3+ pitchers. Not an ideal situation. Unless you think they could get Upton for just prospects…which I’m not too sure of.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Kemp should be attainable due to contract amount and Upton due to contract length. I don’t know what it would take but Cash should be aggressive.

        • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          If the Padres are really offering Grandal for Kemp, the Yankees probably can’t top the offer.

        • Y’s Guy

          What the Phillies expect for Hamels and the Dodgers for Kemp seem too high. These guys are already major commitments of dollars/money and thus adding a huge aquisition fee makes them not worth it.
          Amaro be crazy!

    • al

      “the need for a middle order bat hasn’t changed.” Correct but it is no longer biggest need, that would be sp

  • Rick

    “Keep Ellsbury in mind as you hear a lot of shock and dismay about a player like Headley signing for the kind of money he’s reportedly going to get. He might not fit any particular kind of type that star players usually look like, but even in his down years, Headley has been a league average hitter with a very good glove. For all intents and purposes, Headley has been what Jacoby Ellsbury would be if you took away his speed. Is baserunning really so valuable that makes up the difference between $65 million and $153 million? It certainly matters, but does it matter enough that we should be skeptical that Headley is even worth a fraction of what Ellsbury got last year?

    I don’t think so. I think that, even at this price, Headley has a chance of being a pretty nifty bargain.”

    • al

      This is why headley should get Gardner money, not ellsbury. Ellsbury was way overpaid.

  • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

    Give Headley the 4th year and bring him back already!

    • Rick

      Reports are that they’ve expressed interest in giving a 4th year … Headley has to lower his AAV in exchange though.

      • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

        Hope its true that he wants to come back, that 4th year might just get him to agree to a lower AAV.

        • mitch

          It makes too much sense not to happen. I think they end up giving him something like 4/60 which is still a relative bargain compared to Sandoval and Ramirez

          • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

            That would be fantastic.

  • GregD

    the Yankees can’t afford to part with any more pitching at this point to get a bat and I don’t think they will trade away their top prospects for one……it looks to me like if they sign Headley, and two FA pitchers, they are done with the exception of signing Moncada if he comes available before June

    • mitch

      If they sign Headley they really don’t have any room for another bat anyway. Trading Gardner and acquiring an OF with more power is the only thing i could really see happening.

      • GregD

        I don’t see them trading Gardner either…. unless they want to take on a bad contract of a hitter with more power………..and that’s not likely

  • Y’s Guy

    From Sherman: “Jim Leyland, now a special advisor to Tigers general manager Jim Leyland, …”
    and from Olney: “With Beeston is on his way out, he joins the list of those who opposed Rob Manfred’s election for the Hall of Fame now falling out of power.”

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Beeston turns 70 next year and has been talking about retiring for years now. It’s not like he’s being pushed out.

      • Y’s Guy

        Angelos and Reinsdorf seem to be angling for compensation already. But it was the goofs that caught my eye.

  • Bigdan

    Jim Leyland on Greene:

    “I really like Greene,” Leyland said. “He is a good fit for us. He is a major league guy who is getting better who is at a perfect age (26). I really like how aggressive he is with his sinker. He has a slider and a cutter. He has pitches that move both ways to a batter and batters always tell me that makes the toughest pitcher.”

    ________

    That last point is the key. Just watching baseball on TV, you can see that when a pitcher has two pitches that look similar but break different directions, that’s when he can become truly dominant. It’s exactly the same with Tanaka. His slider and split look very much the same but break different directions.

    I found it interesting to see this morning from Heyman that the Giants, A’s and Mets may be in on the Kang posting. What if some of stories out there about the Yanks and Headley are accurate and what if he actually chooses the Yankees? What impact would that have long term? On Refsynder, or other young players behind him What impact would it have on the Yanks interest in Moncada? We know what Didi means. No Greene and no shot at Kang.

    The decisions the Yanks make and don’t make this off season will have long term implications for this franchise that will go well beyond 2015. The Gregorious-Greene trade is already having ripple effects into the future and this may only be the beginning.

    • mitch

      I don’t think the Yankees could make any move that would impact their pursuit of Moncada

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I don’t understand why anyone would connect a move to help the MLB team now to interest in Moncada. They are two very different things.

        • mitch

          The only thing we really know about Moncada is that he’s a very talented prospect. We don’t know how much time he’ll need in the minors. We don’t know what position he’ll play. We don’t even know if he’ll be available to sign.

          • Wave Your Hat

            If Moncada goes for the kind of money the rumors say, he better not need much time in the minors.

            • Stan

              Really? Yankees obliterated the international free agent market this year signing 10 of Baseball America’s top 30 international prospects the money is not that important to the Yankees. The kid is 19 years old he needs at least 2 years of minor league ball.

              • Wave Your Hat

                The Moncada money will be more than all the other IFA signings by the Yanks put together (I don’t know if that’s really true, but it sounds good). I sure hope he doesn’t need two years in the minors.

                • Stan

                  He is 19 years old, I can’t imagine the Yankees would bring anyone up at that age with no time in the minors. MAYBE one year at a minimum but my bet would be on 2-3 years

                  • Wave Your Hat

                    If a team pays the expected $60-80M for Moncada, needing 2-3 years in the minors would be a HUGE risk. He better be closer than that. From what I read he is.

            • Rick

              They’re projecting 2 years for him. With him starting at either Low or High A upon signing

          • The Great Gonzo

            We also know that he’s not Kang.

    • Y’s Guy

      With Arod and Beltran the only thing keeping Refsnyder from major league at-bats, I wouldn’t worry too much, he’ll get plenty of chances, imo.

      • Stan

        Agreed. Even if the Yankees sign Headley to play 3B and use Prado primarily at 2B Refsnyder/Pirela will get enough playing time. Headley has back issues and will need days off, Prado will cover some outfield when Beltran needs a day off or the yankees face a tough lefty and sit either Ellsbury or Gardner. My guess is that Headley plays 135-140 games at 3B with Prado covering the balance and maybe another 30-40 in the outfield. That would free up roughly 60-70 or so games at 2B for whichever rookie wins the job out of Spring Training.
        If the Yankees chase after Moncada if he becomes available he will still be going to A-AA ball for at least a season or 2 and they could re-evaluate then. Kang has projected to be more of a 3B than a SS by many scouts. Kang would likely need a little less time in AAA.

        • Y’s Guy

          When Arod is on the DL or not hitting, Beltran becomes the everyday DH. Even when Arod is healthy, Beltran probably DH’s twice a week (when he’s healthy). If Refs or Pirella hit, there will be alot of room for them to play.

          • Stan

            I agree, I was just pointing out that I see at least 70 games with just normal wear and tear on the team. Injuries would of course add more games.

        • FriarFlyer

          Can we forget Kang please…

          • The Great Gonzo

            #ForgotAboutDrebutnotKang

    • Fawn Lopez

      Who says the Yankees ever would be in on Kang? The track record on INFs from Asia is atrocious. Odds are you are spending a good chunk of money on a AAA player. This is a typical Mets move.

      And what did you expect Leyland to say about a Greene? We got a 26 year old guy with not much of a track record in the minors, and was terrible over his last 6 starts, but I am sure he will be good. Of course he will hype him, because everyone thinks they gave up way too much for a back end guy like Greene.

      • mitch

        Agreed. If the Yankees really thought Kang was a legit SS option they wouldn’t have traded for Didi and just signed Kang.

      • Bigdan

        But is it a typical A’s or Giant’s move?

      • Scott

        Kang sucks, like you say IFers from Asia, not so good. He won’t hit in the majors. His K% (already high) would go through the roof in the states against ML pitchers).

        • Fawn Lopez

          To me the biggest problem with Kang is that not many think he can play SS in the majors. So you will be moving a player to another position you have no clue he can play, while you still have no clue he can hit. This has disaster written all over it. I much rather play someone like Pirela who has a much better chance to hit and play defense at this level.

  • YankeeB

    Headley wants to come back and the Yanks like him. Unless Eric Jagielo is going to take over in 2-3 years, get the deal done. And even if Jagielo is the real deal, get it done anyway. He fits.

    • Y’s Guy

      They can’t be planning their major league roster around guys who haven’t played above A ball.

    • The Great Gonzo

      JUST for fun…. If you make a 4 year deal with Headley and Jagielo is ready in 3 years? That’s what they call a ‘good problem’. There will be an opening at 1B at that time, and DH, and so on and so on. You don’t not sign this guy because that guy might be ready at some point.

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    Headley: shades of Brosius.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Fifty Shades of Brosius, starring Chase Headley?

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    This (light hearted jabbing) is up on Over the Monster re: the Miller signing:

    http://www.overthemonster.com/2014/12/5/7342483/andrew-miller-signs-with-yankees-shaves-beard-everything-is-terrible

    Red Sox fans probably need no reminding, but the Yankees are a terrible, terrible organization. Not in a “we don’t know what we’re doing and are probably going to make a terrible mess of things” sort of way, but in a “embodiment of everything that is wrong and terrible in baseball” sort of way.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Visiting that site both broke my laptop and made my penis fall off.

      • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

        phew thanks for informing all of us, glad I dodged that bullet. I hate it when that stuff happens to me.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          BGT used to be an OTM regular. Look what happened to him.

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            I was going to go look at it but every time my mouse got close to the link a voice in my head kept yelling “it’s wicked stupid bro, it’s wicked stupid bro” and so I got frightened and moved on.

  • gageagainstthemachine

    I think it’d be pretty damn hilarious if Cashman showed up to the Winter Meetings wearing a “#CashmanFailed” t-shirt… just to see the comments on this board that would surely ensue…

    Speaking of which, that’s gotta be an RAB shop item at some point, right?

    • Havok9120

      One would hope.

    • blake

      That woukd be the best thing ever

    • The Great Gonzo

      I’ll take 2 of em!

  • blake

    @BNightengale: The San Diego #Padres looming as the most likely destination for #Dodgers Matt Kemp, offering Yasmany Grandal and one other player to LA

    I bet kemp is real thrilled about that

    • Havok9120

      Yikes.

    • Mayan Brickann

      Won’t have to move far.

      • Y’s Guy

        Sweet places to live out there if you’ve go the coin. He’s got the coin! And he won’t have to deal with Yasiel anymore.

        • blake

          Yea but it’s the padres…..it’s like witness protection for baseball players

        • The Great Gonzo

          I see your Yasiel crazy, and raise you CARLOS QUENTIN CRAZY

    • Chip

      I don’t know why a team like San Diego takes on that contract.

      • blake

        It’s been reported that they want to make a splash…..I think Rosenthal reported that

  • Bigdan

    I was thinking this over the weekend. Last year Cano left for $240MM and I think almost all of us thought money was the driver there. And since most of us are capitalists at heart, we think that was a fine decision for a player to make for himself and his family. But as the last year has turned, it seems to me now Cano might have been on to something. Of all the teams I see out there this off season, the Mariners seem to be the one with a real plan. They’ve got a few more moves up their sleeve and appear to have more money to spend. When this off season is over, they could be the best team in the league on paper.

    It’s not unreasonable to believe the Yanks, as a franchise, are right in the middle of an about a five year long nadir If that’s the case, then it seems Cano could not have picked a better time to leave and hitch himself to a wagon with quite a bit more upside. Cano is a good guy. Could never figure out why he loafed to first but I still wish him the best as his life and career continue move on in a new direction.

    • Fawn Lopez

      Please stop thinking.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Yup. That $65M wasn’t the motivating factor. It was Jack Zduriencik’s Vision…

      You might legitimately be a crazy person.

    • michaelNYCUSA

      the Mariners are one Felix arm injury away from a 75 win team

  • blake

    @DCameronFG: And from this morning, I suggested that Chase Headley basically just a slow version of Jacoby Ellsbury. http://t.co/xaSw0yYL9x

    For 1/3 the money

    • Chip

      My only thing with Headley is this – if the price is 4 years $50 mil – there are better offensive players that they can sign (Melky?) for that kind of money.

      • blake

        Not that play 3b

        • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

          but Prado does

          • blake

            Well the idea in getting Headley would be to free Prado up to play 2B and RF some id imagine

            • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

              I agree, just saying they don’t “need” a 3B – could $16.25 mil / year get better offensive production than Headley at another position?

              • blake

                Id rather have Headley than Melky though……if they could get Matt Kemp instead that’s different

                • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                  absolutely – I want no part of Melky. If they get another outfielder it needs to be someone with power.

                  • Rick

                    What exactly qualifies as power for an OF today? I’m asking legitimately, as the idea of power needs to be reevaluated based upon the overall lack of it in today’s game.

                    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                      Since we have two everyday guys that are 10 – 15 hr guys they need someone you can count on for 20+ and has potential for 30+, my personal view – not that that means shit.

                      And yeah I know what you are getting at; power is down across the league and those guys are limited, I’m just saying if they are going to “add” an OF and another significant contract we don’t “need” a Melky Cabrera in the OF.

        • Chip

          Melky to RF, Beltran to DH, Alex to 3b until he breaks then Prado goes there.

          • blake

            If they sign Headley and refs kills it in spring I wouldn’t mind sticking Beltran at DH and letting Prado be the primary RFer

            • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

              unfortunately it won’t happen b/c of the $27 million gorilla in the clubhouse

              • The Great Gonzo

                Er…. Centaur

            • Chip

              I wouldn’t mind that either – but if he’s healthy Alex is going to play.

              • blake

                If he’s productive he will play…..I don’t think they owe him anything with regards to playing time …..at least I really hope that’s how they are looking at it

            • Y’s Guy

              I was saying below that if Refs hits, they can use Prado in the OF every time Ells/Gardner or Beltran arent out there plus anytime Arod is not in the lineup (beltran to dh). There’s alot of opportunity if the kid can hit at this level.

              • blake

                Yup …..I don’t think signing Headley precludes them from playing Refs if he earns it……Prado is so versatile that you could still make it work and rest Beltran more

            • The Great Gonzo

              Not for nothing, but regardless of who gets signed or acquired… The roster construction of the 2015 Yankees will translate to a whole lot of ABs for Martin Prado.

      • mitch

        Melky doesn’t play 3B

    • Y’s Guy

      some of that got quoted earlier but not linked or attributed.

    • Hankflorida

      Ellsbury was a bad deal as the Yankees were in panic mode knowing Cano was gone. As I said before, I honestly felt that Jacoby would give us Rickey Henderson numbers especially with the right field porch for the money that he was paid. Boy, was I wrong, but there is always hope!

      • blake

        There is only one Ricky!

        • Y’s Guy

          Rickey be awesome!

          • 86w183

            If you don’t believe it, just ask Rickey!

      • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

        after year 1 of 7 it is a little premature to be calling it a bad deal

        • blake

          True but at his age you’d expect year 1, 2 , and 3 to be the best and where you make your value on the deal. Ellsbury played basically in line with what expectations for him SHOULD have been……the problem though is that if 2014 was the best you’re gonna get…..the worst could look really bad

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            I don’t agree with that all. He was hitting #3 in the lineup for far too much of the season which limited his base stealing to a degree and he still stole 39 bags. He hit 16 hrs which if you consider he has 65 career bombs and half of those came in 1 year, that’s a pretty good power year for him. He played great defense as far as I can tell, there is no stat I trust to tell me otherwise and most importantly he stayed healthy. Ellsbury shouldn’t be looked at as a run producer and so some of his downfall is the fact that the lineup around him was horrible.

            • blake

              Ellsbury was pretty much what he is in 2014…..If you’re expecting him to be a lot better in 2015 because he’s leading off then you’re setting yourself up to be disappointed im afraid

              • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                All I expect is for him to steal 10 – 15 more bases and if the Yankees have anyone worth a shit in their lineup behind him for him to score about 20 – 30 more runs.

                • blake

                  Well that second part……

                  • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                    right – that’s my view of Ellsbury; he isn’t a guy who will carry the team and if the guys behind him produce his numbers look a shit load better. He’s no help to the team if he steals 100 bases and is always stranded at 3b because the rest of the team can’t hit worth a shit.

                    How often does a leadoff hitter have an amazing year when the team’s 2-6 hitters combine to hit .230 with less homers than Barry Bonds hit in one year?

        • Hankflorida

          it is a bad deal according to the money that Ellsbury is paid as it it almost twice that Gardner gets. Ellsbury is a good player but seven years at that price is not that smart. I don’t think another team would trade for him unless the Yankees picked up some of his contract, but Gardner would be marketable. I also said that I hope he gives us Henderson numbers because he is being paid for that.

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            If Headley gets $16.25 mil per season than Ellsbury is worth the $21.1 he is paid next year.

            • Hankflorida

              Then in your opinion, what is Gardner worth?

              • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                More than his current contract and less than Ellsbury’s- the Yankees did good to sign Gardy at the price they did; but don’t kid yourself – when he signed it there were plenty of people that thought they paid way too much for him when they did.

                Are they similar players? Yes but Ellsbury is much better. He had almost twice as many steals and 50 less K’s. And on top of that everyone here has already said Ellsbury’s year was a “bad” one for him and Gardner’s was pretty much a career year in terms of power and run production.

                • Terry

                  My reading is this:

                  Gardner’s increase in power is detrimental to his health.

                  It is not a mistake that he’s been hurt in part due to the violent swing and recoil of his bat speed. It’s almost the batter’s version of the pitcher’s “max-effort”. I wince every time I see him swing and miss with that swing twisting with that kind of torque, and Gardner is deceptively strong. Yankee fans need to realize that the homerun shots Gardy”s been known to hit are NOT typical of a man his size. What he lacks in leverage, he makes up with a VIOLENT swing.

                  In one instance, he was out for the remainder of the year. Last year, he played in a compromised state through nearly half the season and it was obvious.

                  The worst part is that it had a terrible effect on his defense, something that didn’t get much notice, but it was apparent that he wasn’t running well, especially on the break-out acceleration.

                  I’m a fan of Gardner, but if the price of his homeruns is a high risk of injury, he either has to change his swing somehow to mitigate the strain (like using two hands), or avoid using that swing altogether (using it sparingly is, even in hi-leverage situations might be counterproductive, if not even more dangerous).

                  Assuming he can’t square the circle, I’d rather have a healthy gardner with his normal Defense, OBP and baserunning, than one with a few more Moonshots and risking injury.

      • bernbabybern

        16 HR is not bad these days. Cano hit 14.

        • Hankflorida

          That is not even in the same ballpark if you forgive my pun.

  • Chip

    Just a random guess – Yankees trade for CJ Wilson and sign Justin Masterson. Both are buy low/bounce back candidates; Masterson could probably get 2 years $18 mil and while Wilson has an ugly contract ($18 this year $20 next) that’s not terrible in today’s market and I don’t think it would take much to acquire him in terms of talent.

    If they rebound to their form from 2013 – huge win for the Yankees but even if they’re just somewhere between where they were last year and where they were the year before that’s going to be solid for the 3 and 4 starters.

  • blake

    @Joelsherman1: Can confirm reports that Jason Hammel is returning to #Cubs

    I always wanted Jason Hamels more anyway

    • mitch

      it would be pretty funny if they traded him mid season again

      • Mayan Brickann

        A’s traded Addison Russell for Hammel and Samardzjia (sp?), who will both likely be gone after a half season.

        • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

          BUT BILLY BEANE IS A F@%$ING GOLDEN GOD!!!!

        • Rick

          Depends what they get back for Samardzija now.

        • Chip

          More importantly – Theo gave up half a season of Hammel and Samardzjia for Russell and two other good prospects and then still got Hammel back.

          If JS is traded for prospects then in the span of 6 months Beane will have dealt:
          Cespedes
          Donaldson
          Russell
          2 other good prospects

          and wound up with one major leaguer (Lawrie) and other prospects, none of whom are as good as Russell.

  • Kenthadley

    As a fallback, a two year deal with Asdrubal to play 2B wouldn’t be that bad. If anything Ref needs another full year at AAA, and it adds another switch hitter to the lineup.

    • blake

      Yea if he’d do that….I think it’ll cost more though

    • Chip

      I think he winds up playing SS for the Dodgers.

    • Captain Obvious

      He wasn’t very good there with Washington.

  • blake

    @Joelsherman1: New notes http://t.co/gwv2Lh1vY1 Upton, Moss, Ichiro, Hamels, Robertson #Braves #Yankees #Bluejays #Indians #Athletics #cubs #Dodgers

    Couple of tidbits about the Didi trade in there

  • TopChuckie

    I wish there was a way we could get a list of all the best offers Cashman was willing to make for those other SS trade targets so we could compare that to the Didi-Greene trade. I’d like to see our opinions if we knew what the Yanks would have been giving up for those other options.

    • Rick

      Good luck in your pursuit of joining Cashman’s trusted circle of employees

      • TopChuckie

        Sometimes some of that sort of information eventually leaks out, but I didn’t think it was necessary to state I was speaking more hypothetically. The Didi trade may seem even better if we knew what Cashman offered, or was willing to offer, for Alexi Ramirez, for example.

  • Rick

    For the Yankees, one side benefit of adding Martin Prado (last summer) and Andrew Miller (just a few days ago) is that it conveys leverage in talks with now-free agent third baseman Chase Headley and closer David Robertson, Sherman writes. While New York is now willing to put a fourth year on the table for both players, says Sherman, it will not match the reported four-year, $65MM offer out to Headley or the $50MM+ asking price of Robertson.

    • http://batman-news.com Thunderfingers

      The fact that they’re willing to go a 4th year on each is also a good sign to the players that the team is willing to negotiate. I’m hopefull they sign both (although given a choice, I think I’d prefer Headley over Robertson , provided they sign a 9th inning guy. I like Betances & Miller in the fireman role prior to the 9th.)

    • Y’s Guy

      when you quoted fangraphs without attributing it, at least you used quotation marks.
      this was lifted from sherman.

      • Rick

        Obviously it was lifted from Sherman – it uses the words “says Sherman” right in it.

        • Scott

          Well there is that….

        • Captain Obvious

          Use quote marks. Standard way to show you are using someone else’s words.

          • Rick

            Who could possibly read that statement and not see attribution? Sheesh. It’s an f’ing blog, not a research paper.

            • Captain Obvious

              And quote marks are on the keyboard like any other letter. Don’t be lazy with something so simple. No one is asking for a bibliography.

              • Rick

                There’s no reason for them though – reading comprehension is presumably implied by, ya know, people reading a comments section on a blog.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  Funny how we’re not so often to assume that everything is an opinion when others write “they must….” and “they will…..”, but you’re getting shit on one of the most trivial details possible.

                  Fuckin’ BGT.

                • Captain Obvious

                  There is every reason – you stole those words from someone else. If you are too lazy to give proper attribution, at least put those words in quotes. The reader shouldn’t have to guess. You aren’t paraphrasing. You are straight up stealing.

                  • Rick

                    If you have to guess where something came from when it names the source in each sentence, there is something seriously wrong. Each sentence specifically references Sherman. You’re fighting a losing battle, son.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      You could have been paraphrasing. When you use someone else’s words, quotes designate that beyond any doubt.

                      I really don’t care about a battle. You are stealing because you are lazy and that will come back to haunt you.

            • Y’s Guy

              why would anybody read 3 lines into something they have already read somewhere else to find the attribution. Especially after you did the same thing this morning with the Fangraphs piece?

              • Rick

                You mean, why would anyone read to the end of the first sentence? Hilarious.

                • Y’s Guy

                  yes, when it was obvious that it was not your work despite the lack of quotation marks, because I’d already read it elsewhere, so like anybody else would, I stopped reading Sherman’s work.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I thought you meant they were interested in noted Cuban player “Sherman Writes.”

  • TopChuckie

    I think there are a lot of reasons to believe Headley will out-perform his recent history:

    -He showed he could do more in 2012.
    -He’d be in a far more hitter friendly park.
    -He’d be on a team with a completely different environment and mentality when it comes to being competitive.
    -Despite the struggles of the Yankee offense, he’d still be surrounded by a far better, deeper, scarier lineup than he has been.
    -In turn, he would not be viewed as “the man” in NY as he was in SD.

    -I think he is healthier than he has been the last two seasons. The Yanks basically said they saw as much from his improved swing before they pulled the trigger on acquiring him last year.

    I think, even at his current asking price, the Yanks would still be buying low.

    • Hankflorida

      The Yankees gave Youkalis 12 million for one year with a bad back. In the end, the bad back won. 4 years for Headly at those numbers is a gamble.

      • Captain Obvious

        A gamble? Like giving a relief pitcher with only one excellent season to his name $36M?

        • Hankflorida

          How is the injury report on Miller?

          • Captain Obvious

            How is it on any pitcher?

            • Hankflorida

              You are right with pitchers, but when it come to a guy at 3rd with a bad back, think one year with Youkalis and he could not make it, and then think of signing Headly for four at over sixteen million.

      • Rick

        How much time as Headley missed due to his back?

        • Hankflorida

          Headly has an herniated disc that has effected the way he plays. He has had epidurels and is on a strict exercise program but it is like walking on egg shells especially when your out there and straining yourself hitting and fielding.

          • Rick

            My question was how much has he missed due to his back?

            • Hankflorida

              With epidurels, anti-inflamatory medicine and even steroids, he probably missed a few weeks here and there, but look at his body of work while he is fighting this condition.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                Probably? The info is readily available on the net. There’s little need for “probably.”

    • Captain Obvious

      See above, he hit very nicely in YS – small sample warning.

    • Captain Obvious

      I also agree they’d be buying low on Headley. In YS he could be a 4-5 win player and they’d be paying him to be a 3 win player.

    • Chip

      You’re overlooking the fact that he does have back issues and is 31 years old. I would worry that any uptick you’ll see by getting him out of Petco might be offset by getting older.

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      I would think that being able to DH on occasion would be attractive to a guy with an injury history like his…

  • blake

    I swear my kids have been sick for like 6 weeks…..please hurry spring

  • Andrew Brotherton

    I think this week the Yankees get Headley, then if they are able to ink someone like Masterson who would fit well with the teams upgraded infield defense, and McCarthy. If the Angels were to give him away I wouldn’t mind taking a chance on CJ Wilson just because of his deal ends very soon although his velocity drop and the drop in effectiveness of all of his pitches is pretty ugly.

    • Captain Obvious

      I feel very good about this team if they sign Headley and McCarthy. I’d feel even better if they sign DRob and Lester and trade for Upton.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Lester + Upton please (also Headley)

        • Captain Obvious

          Not DRob?

          • Bret The Hitman

            Maybe DRob

  • Captain Obvious

    They must sign Headley is they have any hope of competing – he improves the defense and offense, to wit:

    2014 – In YS – .265/.390/.434 with 4 2Bs and 5 HRs.

    Small sample warning – only 136 PAs.

    • Chip

      Not true – they could sign Juan Francisco, have him platoon with either Prado or even Alex at 3b and still be fine at the position.

      • Captain Obvious

        Still be fine? That ignores the huge hole at 2B and that A-Rod can’t be expected to give us anything.

  • Douglas Rau

    I hope these leads to a real compromise between the Yankees and Headley–how about a 3 year deal with a vesting option? Or a vesting option for 2018 AND 2019, if that’s what it takes.

  • mattpat11

    I think the Yankees dodged a bullet on Hammel.

  • Chip

    If Hammel got 2 years 18 mil I would offer that same contract to Justin Masterson – hope he rebounds to his 2013 form.

    • Rick

      Masteron’s platform year should prevent him from reaching the same $9M that Hammel received.

  • Captain Obvious

    By the way, for those griping about Headley’s potential cost, he’s projected to be worth 3.9 fWAR next year – same as Sandoval. What was Panda’s contract?

    http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat&type=steamer600&team=0&players=0&sort=25,d

    And as I point out below, YS could be very good for him.

  • ropeadope1

    Winter is coming.

  • Chip

    Buying Low:

    Sign Masterson – 2 years $16 – $18 million
    Sign Juan Francisco – 2 years $6 million
    Trade for CJ Wilson – Brendan Ryan and a couple of low ceiling prospects
    Sign Ramiro Pena – 1 year $2 million

    Lineup:
    Ellsbury – CF
    Prado – 2b
    Beltran – RF
    McCann – C
    Tex – 1b
    Francisco – 3b
    Alex – DH
    Gardner – LF
    Gregorious – SS

    Bench: Pena, Pirela, Young, Murphy

    vs. LHP you can either put Alex at 3b and Beltran at DH with Young in RF or you can put Prado at 3b with Pirela at 2b

    Rotation:
    Tank, Pineda, Wilson, Masterson, CC

    Pen:
    RHP – Betances, Warren, Phelps, Kelley
    LHP – Wilson, Miller, Lindgren

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      2/6 for Juan Francisco and 1/2 for RAMIRO PENA seems like the exact opposite of buying low.

      • Chip

        trying to keep in line with their projected arbitration numbers

        • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          They were non-tendered for a reason, because they aren’t worth that money.

          • Chip

            fair – so 2 for $4 for Francisco and 1 for $750k for Pena

  • Andrew Brotherton

    I don’t think the Yankees should be buying low at all, sign Headley, sign McCarthy, sign Masterson, and try and sign Medlen and kick the tires on Gregerson.

    • YakaTanaka

      Can Masterson and Medlen’s value get any lower?

  • Thunder2122

    Headley is ~110wRC+ guy with very good defense at a scarce position. He’s easily worth 4/$60M

    • blake

      I totally agree in this market

  • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

    Brandon Moss to CLE according to Passan.

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      Joey Wendle going to OAK.

      • Chip

        Interesting to see what this means for Swisher. Also interesting to see if Josh Reddick is next out of Oakland.

  • SweetSpot

    Finding some capable starters and a few other pieces are important, but no matter what they do this winter, huge questions marks are embedded in the current Yankees roster that for the most part can’t realistically be addressed by off-season personnel moves. I am always optimistic and hope good luck smiles on us this season; but realistically the Yankees will need the unexpected to happen given those players below include four starting pitchers and three position starters. If most of them have good years; we could do some damage and compete until the end.

    * Teixeira has been on a slash line decline for years, has injury issues and there’s legitimate concern he’s not going to be able to turn it around at 35.

    * A-Rod hasn’t played a full season of MLB baseball in three years, his body has endured years of steroid use and two hip surgeries. These would be tough to overcome, without being 40 years old.

    * Sabathia has been dealing a performance decline for a while now. He has lost velocity and he has not demonstrated that he has the ability to be an Andy Pettitte type of control and command pitcher. Add to that he is coming back from an injury, has huge mileage on his arm and body and is 35 years old.

    * Tanaka being able to pitch with a partially-torn UCL, albeit a small one, is a huge question mark, especially given that he is arguably one of the best pitchers in baseball when healthy.

    * Ivan Nova is coming back from TJ surgery, but won’t be ready at the start of the season. I don’t think anyone knows what to expect; even before the injury he has been inconsistent in his career sporting a .420 career ERA with more hits than IP.

    * Michael PIneda’s ability to stay healthy will be a continuing and legitimate concern until he proves otherwise.

    * At 38 years old will Carlos Beltran be able to stay healthy and is he capable putting up the numbers the Yankees need him to while playing a respectable right-field.

    * Will Brian McCann be the impact offensive player the Yankees expected after a sub-par first season in the Bronx.

    — (NOTE) The Yankees are well aware of the question marks and risks above and I think that’s their prime motivator for wanting D-Rob back. Miller, Beatances, D-Rob et al will go a long way towards minimizing whatever issues they may have elsewhere.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Completely agree with your note and, as fans, I think we really need to stop thinking of ways to make the vets disappear, or hide them as far at the end of the bench as possible. Warts and all, we need them, regardless of how much we spend now.

      • SweetSpot

        Very true. We are stuck with them, like it or not and for us to have a shot they need to perform.

    • YakaTanaka

      Good luck and bad luck are all relative to your assumptions on what to expect in the most likely case.

      You saying you’re optimistic is pretty comical.

      • SweetSpot

        Not nearly as comical as your incessant trolling and distasteful arrogance.

        • YakaTanaka

          Your assumption that I lay in wait for that purpose is incorrect. In fact, I made no personal attack and responded to your comment entirely, whereas your comment was entirely a personal attack.

          You seem to have a real problem with over relying on questiinable assumptions.

          Try to internalize what I said to you rather than trying to fight me.

        • Farewell Mo and Jeet

          Amen!

          • ScottinSJ

            I third that sentiment.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      I agree with your premise that regardless of what the Yanks do this offseason, they’re gonna have a bunch of question marks moving forward that most of us fresh off experiencing this team’s dominant run making the playoffs year after year aren’t used to seeing. Such as it goes with a transitional period that they’re in the middle of.

      • SweetSpot

        Good point, At least the Yankees have the financial ability to go through a transition period while still trying to win; not many clubs have that capability.

        • Farewell Mo and Jeet

          If the worst we have to “suffer ” through is a few years with a team that’s a fringe wildcard contender, then things aren’t so bad comparatively speaking.

          • SweetSpot

            Re-building Yankee style. :)

          • Havok9120

            That certainly seems to be what they’re trying to do, and I don’t mind it at all.

            Baseball is entertaining. The offense has been hard to watch, but overall I have found the product entertaining the last two seasons, especially during August/September.

  • andrewyf

    Prado and Headley are potentially 3-win players for the next couple of years. Some steady production would not only be a huge help to the lineup, but also (with Didi) a big boost to infield defense. With above-average defenders at all four infield positions, the Yankees might just go from worst-to-first in terms of overall infield defense.

  • The Great Gonzo

    I don’t think I get the Brandon Moss deal for Cleveland. Don’t they already have the same player in Nick Swisher?

    That said, it suuuuuuuuuuuuure feels like Oakland is in sell (or retool) mode, doesn’t it?

    • HoopDreams

      Could mean they are trying to ship out Swish

    • YakaTanaka

      It probably has something to do with Swisher’s 75 wRC+ last season.

      • The Great Gonzo

        understood, Swish was not good last season…. But Moss is the same player, nonetheless…

        • YakaTanaka

          Swisher was similar at his best, but worlds worse in 2014 and likely 2015 too. I’d imagine they just upgraded their roster in their opinion by putting Moss ahead of Swisher in the pecking order.

          I’m not saying I like (or don’t like) the deal, but I don’t think there’s a problem with adding a similar player if he’s better than the guy you had.

    • Havok9120

      I mean, they fill the same role on the team. It’s just that Moss does it effectively.

    • ScottinSJ

      I don’t get it on Oakland’s part either. I love Billy Beane, but he just traded away one of his top sluggers, especially with Donaldson gone. I think highly of Moss.

  • YakaTanaka

    Headley sure gets a lot of hate. If he hadn’t had that huge 2012, it seems like perversally fans perception of him would actually be higher. He seems to he seen as an underacheiver now, instead of a solidly above average starting 3B. If he kept doing what he did in 2012, you wouldn’t be signing him for ~4/60.

    • HoopDreams

      3-4 WAR players don’t grow on trees, Id like to see him back

    • SweetSpot

      He’s doesn’t get any hate. A-Rod gets hate. People are legitimately questioning whether he’s worth a four-year $64 million deal. $16 million a year would be a huge overpay for Headly. I think they will put a four-year $52-56 million deal on the table and that’s it.

  • Chip

    I’m all for resigning Headley and McCarthy and calling it good. I’ll take a rotation of Tanaka, Pineda, CC, McCarthy and Phelps with Nova on his way back. The outfield is what it is and we’ll see too much of Beltran out there. The infield will be pretty solid defensively and you have Prado around to cover for injuries to Beltran and Headley. A-Rod DHs and backs up first base. You keep all of your big prospects, you have a fairly young infield (excepting Tex) locked up with two good to great outfielders and you get two first round picks next year.

    I’m also totally ok with resigning Robertson for something not insane but I won’t freak out if they don’t get him back.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      Sound good on paper but they’d really be rolling the dice with the rotation almost universally having huge injury concerns above and beyond what you’d normally expect from the average starting pitcher

    • Havok9120

      That’d be risky, but yeah. Not the worst offseason if it comes to that + some spring training invite rotation/infield fodder.

      If Kuroda is willing to come back for a good price though, I think McCarthy + Kuroda + Headley would be just about perfect. I WANT DRob (a lot), but he’s very much a luxury at this point.

      • Chip

        Totally agree. I would love to get more certainty in the starting rotation but I really don’t see a solid healthy innings eater out there right now. Maybe take a lottery ticket like Masterson? He could be pretty good in front of a Headley/Didi/Prado/Tex infield. That’s also another reason I really want them to go hard after McCarthy

        • Havok9120

          It might be possible to convince me to take a shot on Masterson if he’s looking for a one year pillow contract at a reasonable rate. McCarthy/Kuroda is definitely my preference at this point.

          • Chip

            My biggest concern about Masterson is his homers. He’s really not that effective against lefties and they could go nuts on him a la Phil Hughes at YSIII

            • Havok9120

              I’m also not sold on 2011 and 2013 being more representative of his true talent than 2012 and ’14.

              There are definitely guys I’d prefer to him. Especially since I don’t think he’s gonna wind up with some contract that costs peanuts.

  • HoopDreams

    I don’t recall but was Headley bad at his brief tenure at 1st base during the summer?

    • Chip

      He wasn’t David Ortiz level bad. You could just tell he hadn’t done it before

  • Jill McNeish Poock

    I would love to add Scherzer but odds of it happening seem slim.

  • Havok9120

    Man, if they somehow landed Headley for 4/44 or 5/52 or something like that, that’d great.

  • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

    Jim Kaat and Gil Hodges not going to the Hall of Fame…boo..

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Kaat’s borderline. Hodges is even more borderline.

      The really bad thing about the results is how close Maury Wills came. He’s easily the weakest guy on that ballot.

      • Kenthadley

        To me Hodges is a no brainer….hitting, fielding, managing a WS winner, character. Never understood how he didn’t make it.

        • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

          Hodges had the 3rd lowest WAR out of the 9 player candidates on the ballot. If elected, Hodges would have the 3rd lowest WAR among first basemen in the HOF. He actually rates negatively for his career in dWAR.

          Leaving aside WAR, he just didn’t hit enough nice, round numbers in his career. He didn’t reach 2000 hits. He didn’t reach 400 home runs. His OPS+ of 120 would be the absolute lowest among HOF first basemen.

          Lastly, when you look at his home/road splits and ballpark splits, you see that he was greatly benefited by playing Ebbets Field.

          Unfortunately, I just think those are too many reasons to not support his candidacy, no matter how good of a man he was.

      • Farewell Mo and Jeet

        Anyone who referred to his son as “Bump” is automatically excluded from the HOF in my book.

  • Scott

    Pure spitballing here but could it have been an negotiating tactic by the Yanks FO to say at the beginning of the off-season “no way we go 4 years for Headley or Robertson” and now today they say they might but it has to be at the right value.
    Anyone think they would have gone 4 years all along, but didn’t want to tip their hand too early. Now Cashman can say “well you twisted our arm we’ll give you 4 years but you have to gives $X million less per year?”
    It would seem to save face for both the team and the player. Player gets his 4th year, yanks get their price and can say they made concessions.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Something like that – more of an openness to going four as the cost of doing business, but a preference for three. I don’t think the idea of going four was a sudden revelation to them.

      • Chip

        I agree, I think they just didn’t want to be the first team to offer four years. I wonder if the 4/62 rumor was just his agent trying to drive the price up or if it was a team like the Astros where he really didn’t want to get stuck for 4 terrible years

  • Big Game Luis Sojo

    Any guesses where Lester goes? All my Red Sox friends think he is going back to Boston and I would be so happy if he proved them wrong.

    • Scott

      I’m going with Cubs

    • Chip

      I’m guessing Cubs

      • Chip

        The reason I think so is for one they’ll offer the most money. But, he could also be the ace of a Cubs team that has a solid window of opportunity to finally win a WS. He got to do that once in Boston so it wouldn’t surprise me to see him try to do it again

    • blake

      I’ve said cubs from the start so I’ll stick with that

    • I talked to Barzini

      San Francisco

    • YakaTanaka

      Cubs seem like as good a guess as any given the rumors plus their situation as a big market team with a low payroll (that could stay pretty low as they get better thanks to all their losing… I mean drafting and trading) and the likely desire to compete in the near future.

  • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

    Brandon Laird to the Nippon Ham Fighters.

  • Chip

    Wow, Headley at 12 million a year is insane. He’ll give you two wins with his glove alone. You’re probably buying him at 4 million bucks a win over his age 30-34 seasons. How can the Giants not match that?

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    That’s what the Giants call ‘aggressive’ on Headley? Really?

    • HoopDreams

      What happened? Edit: Whoops, nevermind

    • Chip

      I can’t imagine that they don’t view Headley even as half as valuable as Sandoval

      • dkidd

        headley is literally half the player that sandoval is

        #fatjoke
        #badsentenceconstruction

    • blake

      Did they make an offer?

    • Centaur Hips

      Wow. We may get him for a good deal after all. I thought he would at least get $14M AAV.

  • HoopDreams

    I hope if Headley returns Bigdan eats a giant bowl of crow, but knowing Bigdan, that ain’t happening. Regardless, Im still gonna throw snowballs at his house

    • ScottinSJ

      No chance, pal. His people won’t let you within 300 feet of the mansion, and those drones are scary too.

      • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

        How about we throw eggs at a rate of 301 feet?

      • Havok9120

        And The Kid will tell him we’re coming long before we even enter the county.

        • ScottinSJ

          LOL I think the kid is like the rest of his entourage — wearing togas, feeding each other grapes, engaging in orgies. How do you think he got the name Bigdan?

          • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

            The Kid is Turtle to Bigdan’s Vinnie Chase?

    • Chip

      But sportwriters wrote some bad stuff about his back! It must be the Yankees trying to throw him under the bus!

      • Rick

        Hilarious.

    • dkidd

      “as i wrote earlier, hal is unwilling to exceed his budget a purchase a giant bowl of crow. the clues are there if you know how to read between the lines. the yankees have a budget for crow, and reading the tea leaves, it’s clear i will be eating a medium bowl of crow. i’ll have more to say on this in tonight’s open thread”

  • blake

    @jcrasnick: If the #yankees go to 4 yrs at $11-12 annually on Chase Headley, that might be too rich for the #SFGiants.

    Assuming y’all are talkin about this? If the yanks get him for that I’ll be ecstatic

  • blake

    If the yanks get Headley for half the money as panda Id call that a damn fine day and laugh at Boston

    • Rick

      You knew Sandoval would get overvalued … because, well, #postseason

      • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

        At least Headley doesn’t come with #weightissues.

      • Havok9120

        I’m waiting until Headley signs to call the Sandoval deal. Same with Robertson/Miller.

      • michaelNYCUSA

        although Nick Swisher and Granderson say hello

  • blake

    Bowden his predicted DRob back to the yanks within 24 hours for 4 years

    • Chip

      I agree, he might leave a few million on the table to come back to the Yankees too

      • Rick

        BigDan says he won’t

        • Chip

          Well then, I find myself corrected

    • Rick

      #WeDontNeedStarters

      • blake

        Not much ! Especially if Lindgren comes along too

    • HoopDreams

      Is he reliable?

      • blake

        He’s connected pretty well

        • Havok9120

          Well, almost all of them are.

          • blake

            He’s just speculating ….it’s not news but it’s a well connected guess

      • Havok9120

        Eh. His dollar amounts are always good. Don’t know how accurate he is about rumors.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Well, that’s Bowden, so I’m expecting to see him donning a new cap and jersey at a introductory press conference by the time of the Hell’s Kitchen finale (that’s next Wednesday).

    • Havok9120

      That’d be cool.

    • SweetSpot

      I agree, I think that will happen.

  • HoopDreams
    • Rick

      Love how he says “in the mix” as if Miller has intentions to unseat him. Need that confidence.

    • Chip

      Where does Andrew Miller get all of these qualms? I’ve never seen them for sale anywhere

  • blake

    You keep DRob te closer and have miller and dellin put out ALL the fires

    • SweetSpot

      That’s right.

      • Farewell Mo and Jeet

        That would likely be the best Yankee bullpen since the days of Mo/Nelson/Stanton.

        • Jersey Joe

          Agreed. Been hoping for this for that very reason since Miller was first mentioned as being a Yankees possible target. Those were very good years for the Yankees -but- they had great lineups then and top level starting rotations as well. Assuming good health in 2015, it looks like the Yankees are trying to put together a similar roster, including some serious depth in the pen, rotation and on the bench. So far, as a Yankees fan, you have to like what they’re doing this winter.

        • SweetSpot

          And you don’t need to do ridiculous contracts with starters. All you need are a solid five innings from guys who will keep you in the game.

  • mustang

    If they get Headley and DRob without breaking 50MM on either everthing after that would be gravy.

    • HoopDreams

      That would be fucking awesome

    • mustang

      I would also think one of the top 3 SP would be out of question they would probably end up with McCathy and whatever.

    • blake

      Well I hope a starter and Moncada is in the gravy ;)

      • mustang

        If they already want go for the kill and make this true contender add Lester/Max and McCarthy.
        I think Moncada is almost a done deal IMO

      • HoopDreams

        Curious also, where did you see that prediction that DRob returns to the Bronx in the next 24 hours?

        • blake

          I just heard it on the radio

      • Havok9120

        Moncada, I think, is going to be a different discussion altogether. Much like their spending on draft picks, the international spree, or Tanaka.

        And yeah, I want starters. But I do think getting the IF straightened out in a postive manner and starting the season with the best bullpen in the majors is darn fine base to build on.

        • Chip

          Moncada also doesn’t count against the MLB luxury tax so he’s a one time cost rather than a cost they’ll have to deal with in the future. You could end up having a superstar for around the league minimum for a few seasons if he develops right

          • Havok9120

            That’s what I’m saying. Hal has shown a willingness to treat special cases as just that, special. I really don’t think a decision on Moncada is tied into decisions on the 2015 team.

  • YakaTanaka

    Interesting that MLBTR notes the general feeling among front offices is that the Cards overpaid for Heyward given that the general feeling among fans seemed to be that the Cards robbed the Braves.

    • blake

      I definitely liked the braves side of that deal given the fact the the cardinals probably can’t sign Heyward……he’s from close to Atlanta….if he wouldn’t give them a discount he’s probably not giving St Louis one

      • YakaTanaka

        Yeah. I would point out that what the Braves think is a discount and what the Cards do might vary. They may value Heyward more highly and they also may be more willing to pay him given that Holliday comes off the payroll after 2016.

  • Havok9120

    I’ve always found the number of waiver claims that occur during the Winter Meetings fascinating. I just see the conversations happening over bourbon:

    “So, I’m claiming Chaz Roe off waivers, that cool with you? You sure you’re not pissed? Sweet. Let’s go tell [insert name of MLB official here], I thought I saw him at the bar.”

  • blake

    Bowden just said the yanks are gonna get DRob , Headley, and Scherzer fwiw

    • Chip

      Ehhhhh, I’ll trade McCarthy for Scherzer. That seems like a bad investment long term

      • Chip

        Given the injury concerns around their top two starters (Tank and Big Mike) I wouldn’t mind having a solid horse to go with them.

      • blake

        Depends on money difference

        • Centaur Hips

          I would normally agree, but I think there’s no way Scherzer gets less than 7/160 which is a lot for a pitcher that’s likely to decline soon.

          • Jersey Joe

            I agree Centaur. If they have to sign a big money free agent it should be Lester, not Scherzer. I believe Lester is the better pitcher and will last longer. Lester pitches more like Moose and Pettite, both of whom were craftsmen from early on and had contoured success in later years because of that. Loss of velocity is a much greater concern for Scherzer. I also very much prefer Lester because he’s a lefty and just as big, he’s got no draft pick attached to him. Keep that draft pick and forget about Scherzer. Sign Lester and Mc Carthy for the rotation because they’re gonna need the depth.

    • Yank88

      Oh the hope..

    • Chip

      If they re-sign Robertson my guess is that they would move Warren back to the rotation and let him duke it out with Phelps for the last spot (assuming they also sign Scherzer)

      Rotation of:
      Max
      Tank
      Mike
      Phelps/Warren
      CC

      Pen:
      Closer – DRob
      RHP – Betances, Kelley, Phelps/Warren
      LHP – Miller, Wilson, Lindgren

    • Bigdan

      Hahaha. That would be awesome. A $250MM+ payroll. But I think that’s what it would take to have a decent shot at the division. Still wouldn’t score any runs and would still have to get pretty lucky with rotation health. Just kind of shows what state the roster is in right now.

      • Rick

        Do you have any idea how foolish you would look?

        • Bigdan

          I’d actually pay to look that foolish.

          • Fawn Lopez

            I’d actually pay for you to go away.

            • Bigdan

              “Money, so they say. . . .”

    • Greggreen

      did he say this on the radio or something, its not on his twitter?

  • Chip

    Gammons says if Lester goes to the Giants the Red Sox will push hard for Cole Hamels.

    My guess is Cespedes, Middlebrooks, Webster and another prospect.

    • blake

      That sounds great until you have to try and make a trade with Ruben Amaro

      • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

        Ruben Amaro would require the Queen of England before trading Cole Hamels.

        • blake

          Exactly…..which is why Id rather Boston have to do that than just spend money for Lester or Sxherzer

        • Centaur Hips

          She wouldn’t be nearly enough. Curveball doesn’t have enough break.

          • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

            What if we threw in Prince Harry? He gets naked on a walk-off home run and brings in some girls.

    • craig

      That is nowhere near enough for Hamels. It’s going to cost 2 guys that the RS fans don’t want to trade plus another decent prospect.

      • Farewell Mo and Jeet

        I hope that Amaro soaks them good for Hamels. I’d start with Mookie Betts who looks like a perennial All Star CFer to me.

        • craig

          The guys at OTM overrate the RS prospects much worse than Yankees fans overrate their prospects. It is laughable. Middlebrooks is garbage. Webster is a reliever. Cespedes has a terrible OBP, didn’t have a great year, is signed for 1 year and cannot be offered the QO. The A’s just traded a better player for a minor league 2B.

          The OTM crowd thinks they can get Hamels for a couple of their 6-10 ranked prospects. So unrealistic.

          Honestly, I’m not convinced that Ben Cherington is that good of a GM. His team has finished dead last 2 out of 3 years and the biggest reasons they won the WS in 2013 were a bunch of guys having outrageous career years and the Dodgers being dumb enough to take all of their bad contracts and give them a couple of useful pieces.

          Look at the trades he’s made (outside of the Dodgers deal)…Melancon? Lester? he hired Bobby Valentine as his Manager! Who didn’t know that was a stupid move.

          Totally not sold on Ben as a GM.

          • Farewell Mo and Jeet

            I think Cherington has done a pretty good job so far. It would be a stroke of genius if he’s able to bring back Lester and then flip Cespedes and something else for Hamels or one of the Reds starters.

            • craig

              I don’t know if genius is the right word.

              It would have been smart to have offered Lester a reasonable deal last year so it would never have gotten to this point.

              No way Cespedes and a bag of dicks nets them Hamels (of course RAJ is the Phillies GM, so you never know).

        • YakaTanaka

          Would be great. Unfortunately it’s Amaro, though…

    • YakaTanaka

      My guess is it would take a whole lot more than that. Cespedes is an average starter signed for one year. Middlebrooks is on his last legs as an option to even be a bad MLB player and has pretty marginal value. You never know what Amaro might do… but that move would probably be the straw that gets him fired in my opinion unless the “other prospect” headlines the deal.

  • Chip

    What move – not being rumored – would thrill you (keep it realistic – the Yankees are not trading Alex and Tex for Giancarlo Stanton).

    I’ll throw one out there – CC and John Ryan Murphy to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp. (which I fully admit – probably brakes my ‘realistic’ demand)

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      Why in the world would the Dodgers want to make that deal?

      • Centaur Hips

        They’re trying to trade an outfielder while keeping the payroll really high?

    • blake

      There is no way the dodgers would do that …..so it would thrill me!

      Kemps contract isn’t even bad…..he’s owed just a little bit less than Panda just signed for and he just came off a .971 ops 2nd half! I don’t know why they even want to trade him honestly

      • Chip

        I don’t think they want to trade him. I think they know they can’t trade Ethier or Crawford and that kind of is a problem for them with Puig and Pederson. If Kemp can get them a catcher and 2b or SS I think they’ll do it.

    • SweetSpot

      Cashman would hear a click on the other end before he even made that call.

      • Chip

        LOL

    • blake

      Kemp would make me happy though…..I just think the price to get him would be a lot higher than that…..I thinking probably Severino or judge and then a couple more prospects plus taking most all his money

      • Chip

        Fair – let me ask you – would you do CC and Murph for Ethier just to be rid of CC?

        • ScottinSJ

          YES please!

          • Havok9120

            Why? Between the chance that CC simply can’t play (therefore allowing insurance/retirement to come into play) and the chance that he’s serviceable (let’s face it, the bar for “serviceable” is pretty low in this offensive environment), I don’t think the 20 or so million is worth it. Ethier looks legit cooked.

            • ScottinSJ

              I don’t want Ethier, but I see CC hanging around, on and off the DL, putting up a 5.00 or so ERA. A useless mop-up man.

              • Havok9120

                Yeah, but you’d also be giving up Murphy, one of our 3 or 4 most valuable trade chips, just to be rid of CC.

        • blake

          It woukd have to be structured where the Yanks save a lot of money for me to do that…..

        • Farewell Mo and Jeet

          You’d only be saving about $20 million over 3 years. I think there’s a better chance that CC will be forced to retire in the next year or so and the Yankees would recoup what, about 80% of his remaining contract from insurance?

        • Havok9120

          Ouch. I couldn’t stomach that.

    • Dan A.

      Acquiring any impact bat (Kemp and J. Upton seem like they’re the two most realistic guys available)

    • Havok9120

      Kemp would be exciting. Kuroda on a super-cheap deal would have me pumped, and I think that qualifies. Getting Samarjghdza (I’m rolling with it) for something silly like Murphy, ManBan, and Pirela would be pretty mindblowing.

  • SweetSpot

    I think Headley signs a four-year $56 million deal with the Yankees.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Is that you, Jon Heyman?

      • SweetSpot

        Did he say that? I don’t follow Heyman. I predicted $52-56 previously. I think when it gets down to the end the player always gets a few bucks more if the team wants him. I believe Robertson wants to be in New York. Hope I’m not wrong!

    • Havok9120

      I could easily get behind that.

  • blake

    @JonHeymanCBS: brandon morrow wants to remain a starter and is drawing interest as a starter. still young and talented. looks for bounce.

    If take a flyer for right price

    • Chip

      He’s been brutal as a starter – I want him as a reliever.

      If I had to take a flyer on someone for the rotation, give me Brett Anderson.

      • blake

        Both woukd have to be pretty cheap

        • Chip

          Define cheap.

          In a world where someone with zero talent like Jason Hammel gets 2 years and $18 mil I think you’re probably looking at a 1 year deal worth $9 mil with options.

          • blake

            Like 5 or less for 1 year

            • Chip

              I think you’ll have to transport back to 2005 for that to happen

              • Havok9120

                I don’t know about that. At least for a guy like Anderson, where lack of health has been the issue.1/5 probably won’t happen, but I don’t think 1/9 is the starting point either.

      • Havok9120

        Yeah, he’s probably my favorite candidate for a flyer deal.

        Especially given the way such deals are likely to be valued in this pitching-rich environment.

    • YakaTanaka

      I’d be intrigued to compete with some other guys for the 5th starter spot. At the right price and depending on how the rest of the rotation looks.

      • blake

        Yea…..Id be really interested to see what he’d be as a reliever but if he’s not ready to go there then he’s not ready

        • YakaTanaka

          If he loses the competition he’d end up in the BP… Depending on how much interest he has, though, he might get a guaranteed rotation spot somewhere. If he prioritizes rotation spot over location, winning, culture, etc. I’d bet he gets one really. If he comes to the Yankees I don’t know that it would he with a guaranteed spot unless they love him and/or get a little desperate.

  • blake

    @nickcafardo: Turns out Astros offered four years and an option to Andrew Miller and he still went to Yankees.

    • Bigdan

      I saw that. The guy turned down a ton of cash (Texas tax benefits too) to see his kids during Spring Training. Pretty amazing.

      • blake

        Tarheels just want to win

        • Farewell Mo and Jeet

          They certainly don’t want to go to class, at least the athletes.

          • blake

            Thats every school

        • Bigdan

          Current Vegas future odds for Yanks. 22 to 1. Behind the Mets.

          • The Great Gonzo

            LITERALLY no one cares about December Vegas odds. Not one single solitary shit is given

            • Bigdan

              No literally someone does. Like bettors. And people seeking an independent appraisal of the relative likelihood of each team’s chances of succeeding any given year at any point in time.

        • Austinmac

          Sometimes a little too much. ;)

  • Chip

    Predictions sure to go wrong:

    Free Agents:
    Lester – Giants
    Robertson – White Sox
    Scherzer – Yankees
    Headley – Yankees
    Melky – Mariners
    Moncada – Yankees
    Rasmus – Orioles
    Kang – Mets
    Asdrubal Cabrera – Mets
    Jed Lowrie – Dodgers
    McCarthy – Boston
    Shields – Boston
    Masterson – Cubs
    Madea – Yankees

    Trades:
    Cespedes – Reds
    Swisher – Orioles

    Kemp – Tigers

    • Rick

      Who made those?

      • Chip

        me.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Maeda? Really?

          • Chip

            Not the one from the Tyler Perry movies – the Japanese pitcher.

            • The Great Gonzo

              Madea goes to Papayas. I love that movie

  • Bigdan

    Speaking of future odds. Just checked them. Yanks still 22 to 1. But the Sox are now co-favorites with the Dodgers! Wow. They were I think well back in the pack a month ago. Both are 17-2. Nationals third at 10-1.

  • Chip

    SportsNet New York ?@SNYtv 5m5 minutes ago
    The Rockies want to talk Tulowitzki with the Mets http://on.sny.tv/12jhixa

    Number of Yankee fans who will lose their minds if the Mets wind up with Tulo for a package of Syndergaard, Montero and Flores?

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      It would be typical of the Mets to trade away top pitching prospects to watch Tulo sit on the DL half of every season

      • The Great Gonzo

        Nailed it. The Carlos Beltran seat (currently occupied by Matt Harvey) would love some Tulo starpower.

    • Rick

      “Send us Harvey, de Grom and Syndergaard … btw Tulo would love to be a Met.”

    • blake

      Ugh

    • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

      I wouldn’t care.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Me neither. Signing with the Mets is always the second-best thing anyway. You can watch the player without the attached dread.

    • Alexandernevermind

      That sucks, regardless of what a lot of people think I still want him as the next Yankee SS even though it’s not going to happen.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Dicks will be blown off, and Cashmans will fail.

  • Chip

    Heyman says Lester decision is coming tomorrow – despite what I wrote below I think Stealth Cashman gets him.

    • Rick

      I think he goes to SF or Chicago and Cashman says he never had a serious discussion re: Lester

    • Jill McNeish Poock

      Yankees won’t be getting Lester. I wish but no.

    • mustang

      This thing is taking way too long I think the Lester camp is just waiting for the Yankees. I would bet a phone call is made by either side tonight if for anything just to gauge interest.

      • Rick

        By leaking out that he intends to sign tomorrow, his agents are trying to get each team to come forward with their best offer. They have an idea from their discussions of what those might look like, but now it’s time for teams to show their hands if they’re really interested.

        • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

          Word is trying for 7th year and/or $150MM

        • mustang

          Out of the very few stories from creditable source connecting Lester and the Yankees they all had the same theme. If its going to happen it will be a last minute sneak attack when the true price is on the table.

          • mustang

            With that said it probably wouldn’t happen the only thing that gives me a bit of hope is that Lester’s offers (130 to 140 for 6 by the he Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, San Francisco Giants and Los Angeles Dodgers) have been out there for a few days now so what’s the wait? Doesn’t look like anyone is going higher.

      • The Great Gonzo

        I am convinced that no deals in the MLB get made (major trades or top FA signings) without any or all of the Yankees, Red Sox or Dodgers being contacted to see if there’s a chance they don’t get blown away.

  • Austinmac

    I believe this is true. They don’t want three pitchers earning over $20M. As a fan I wish they would but all signs say they are not at all involved.

    • Bigdan

      I think Scherzer next month when the dust settles is still possible. Unlikely but possible. Lester zero.

      • Rick

        But what does reading between the lines tell us? What does Hal say?

        • Rick

          More importantly, what does the kid say?

  • mustang

    I don’t want a lot for Christmas
    There is just one thing I need
    I don’t care about the presents
    Underneath the Christmas tree.

    Make my wish come true
    All I want for Christmas
    Is Headley, DRob and Lester

    LOL

    • mustang

      Moncada for Three Kings

      Thanks

    • Havok9120

      You are one strange dude.

      I’m very glad you decided to make a comeback after the Disqus switchover. lol

      • mustang

        Cubs, Giants Are Finalists For Jon Lester
        By Jeff Todd [December 8, 2014 at 3:39pm CST]
        The Cubs and Giants have emerged as finalists to land Jon Lester, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports on Twitter. Rosenthal does caution that a late change in the bidding could shake things up. The other teams said to be amongst the last suitors for Lester are the Red Sox and Dodgers.
        Mustang has a flat tire :(

        • CashmanNinja

          I’m ok with Lester in the NL. The Red Sox seemed like they were 100% convinced they’d get him and their owner flew out to meet him…suddenly they aren’t even in the top 2 choices of where he’d like to play (granted each team offers relatively similar money). I’m kind of happy the Yankees aren’t going to jump in and spend $150+ mil for him. Then again Scherzer would probably be like $30 mil more than that so I don’t know if it’d be good to go after him either. It may just be wiser to spend less money and get a McCarthy and Masterson or something.

          • mustang

            Yea, all kidding aside this “wiser to spend less money and get a McCarthy and Masterson or something.” is probably the way they will go.

            • CashmanNinja

              I’m not saying McCarthy is suddenly anti-injury prone or that Masterson is a Cy Young nominee, but McCarthy pitched very well for us and I still think Masterson could rebound…especially if he gets a 1 year deal to restore some of his value for a bigger contract next year. Money is a very good motivator.

              • mustang

                I can also see them leaving it at just McCathy and hoping that Kuroda comes back.
                Tanaka, CC, McCathy, Pineda, Phelps, Kuroda and Nova in may is not too bad if they sign DRob and Headley

            • Alexandernevermind

              Masterson??? Why??

            • Alexandernevermind

              Do you want Masterson pitching for the Yankees?

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                As fifth starter? I wouldn’t mind much.

                • Alexandernevermind

                  Ideally, what starting 5 for the Yankees would you feel confident about starting the season?

                  • The Great Gonzo

                    I got this Tilapia:
                    Takana
                    Big Mike
                    McCarthy
                    Sabathia
                    Cy Young
                    Roger Clemens
                    Goose Gossage
                    Nolan Ryan
                    Babe Ruth (because Interleague plays!)

          • The Great Gonzo

            I am super stoked to watch the Red Sox eat corn the long way on the whole ‘Lester loves it here in Boston. We’ll just re-sign him on that hometown discount we offered us last year!’ gimmick they are trying to pull.

            Once Lester signs in San Fran, its going to be incredibly entertaining to watch Cherington talk himself into signing Justin Masterson for $90M.

        • RhapsodyInBlue

          Imo Lester is just using the other clubs to get as much as he can from Boston, and why this drama is playing out the way it is. I hope I’m wrong.

      • mustang

        If this is true I want the Giants to get him so maybe they will give up on Headley

  • yankeefeminista

    Bring. back. DRob.

    • RetroRob

      I think D-Rob and Headley will both be back.

      • HoopDreams

        Rob, that would be fucking sweet

      • Alexandernevermind

        That would be great, how would you then address the rotation?

      • Captain Obvious

        I certainly hope so! McCarthy too…

  • blake

    I think the cubs are going to end up going the 7th year on Lester and get him…..it’s an overpay but they need to make a statement and they can certainly afford it

  • blake

    @JimBowden_ESPN: Seth Levinson just told me that it is untrue that Lester is deciding between the Cubs and Giants the rest are still in #ESPN #Siriusxm

    • RhapsodyInBlue

      Lester is playing Boston like a big trout. Using the other clubs to get his payday up.

      • blake

        Seems that way …..I’m leaving guys…..il really gonna do it…..here I go

    • TB

      Blake its the final stages and I think Lester is getting some payback for being low-balled and for people who have forgotten – the red sox tried hard to deal lester right before the 2013 season.

  • YankeeB

    Yanks get Headley for 4 years for less than $50 million then you know he wanted to be back here in the worst way. Or that the reports we’re getting from the alleged pundits are pure BS.

    • SweetSpot

      Won’t be less than $50 million – take that to the bank :)

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        *picks up gauntlet*

        I’m calling it at 4/48 to 4/52.

        *gently places gauntlet down on floor*

        • HoopDreams

          “As I predicted once Chase Headley was dropped off from the stork on his parents front steps, he has resigned with New York”

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Some of these jokes would work well on the 2007 MLBTR timewarp thread.

        • SweetSpot

          Pulls fair-haired maiden to safety behind him and slaps knave in face with glove just used to gut pheasant.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Wow.

          • Canarsie Yankee

            Tease.

        • TB

          Jorge where do I sign ??

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Follow your eyes, TB.

  • Game 3

    I’d poo if we got D-Rob, Headley, Kuroda and an SP!

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      You’ll probably poo regardless, at least daily I hope

      • Game 3

        You don’t know me very well, do you, Jerry?

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Are these current bullpen rumors? If so, seems like, DRob or not, the team continues to entertain the idea of neither Miller or Betances closing.

    • Game 3

      That would make me happy.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Same here.

    • HoopDreams

      Possibly, wasn’t there a report or something back in November that Cash wanted a “super pen” ala Royals?

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        We had the original superpen. Royals can kiss some pinstriped ass.

      • Game 3

        I heard Asia was the first super group.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          It was the heat of the moment.

          The Yardbirds would like a word with you.

          • Game 3

            And Jazz at Massey Hall.

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            The Yardbirds can’t hold the Traveling Wilbury’s guitar or jock straps.

      • Game 3

        Big Dan is the first super fan.

    • Dan A.

      As much as I like the idea of the closer torch getting to Betances, the thought of a really deep, dynamic bullpen is much more appealing. If they can’t bring back D-Rob, I hope they can get another legit guy in there (it doesn’t have to be Kimbrel though).

    • Austinmac

      If true, it sure sounds as if the bullpen will still be addressed. It is surprising they will still consider paying big money for a closer. It could also be a message to Robertson.

  • HoopDreams

    In a world…where a negative WAR player Kendrys Morales demands a multi year deal

    • CashmanNinja

      It wasn’t just multiple years…it was also “substantial dollars”. Ha. Ha. HAHA. The guy flat out sucked last year and somehow thinks he’s going to get paid? He didn’t get paid after posting his last good year and now he’s a year older and has a sucky year included in his career stats. He won’t get what he wants.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Andrew Miller has negative career WAR.

      • SweetSpot

        Andrew Miller was primarily a starter until 2012. Does WAR take that into account effectively? Relievers are graded based on league average rather than the league replacement? I’m not sure about this.

        • Captain Obvious

          Which makes it even worse – innings in bunches and a negative value.

          • SweetSpot

            More so that it’s applicable to ERA? Or no.

      • Captain Obvious

        Nice, I pointed that out the other day when Rick wanted to show that Clippard makes more. He’s also been worth 10 wins in his career. Amazing how silly the love for Miller has gotten – while people happily kick DRob to the curb over a draft pick…

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

    • SweetSpot

      Worked well for Drew. Scott Boras malpractice.

  • Frittoman626

    Yankees sign Melky Cabrera and trade Phelps and Pirela for Ian Kennedy, the trade them both for Justin Upton and Craig Kimbrell… DO IT CASH!!!!!

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Did this man just suggest that the Yankees trade……MELKY AND IPK!!!!!!!?????

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Let’s all go all in for Hughes and the Jobber while we’re at it.

      • vicki

        and for that one moment, time and cares melted away, and they were children again.

        • Deep Thoughts

          I’m hearing this in Hume Cronyns’s voice.

    • SweetSpot

      May I have your address I want to send you a fruit cake for Christmas.

    • HoopDreams

      Jizz

  • Captain Obvious

    Glad to hear 4 years isn’t a deal breaker with Headley and DRob. That would have been just silly. And agreed – Headley at even 4/48 is an absolute steal. He’s a 3-4 win player each year, especially in Yankee Stadium.

    • CashmanNinja

      Even if he’s only a 2-2.5 WAR player…it wouldn’t be awful.

      • Captain Obvious

        Wouldn’t be awful? At $12M AAV, 2-2.5 wins/year is still great value.

        Just give him 4/64 already. In this environment, when he’s Panda’s equal, it’s a great deal.

    • HoopDreams

      4/48 for the Headman would be sexier than the Sorority girls at Penn State

      • Captain Obvious

        I say just give him 4/64 and be done with it. Still very good value and based just on his glove. With YS, his bat will be good too.

        • CashmanNinja

          The only reason I wouldn’t absolutely hate giving him 4 years is because he’s only 30 years old. It’s not as if he’s a 35 year old who’d be on the verge of 40.

          • Captain Obvious

            It’s a tough age, no doubt, but agreed!

    • YakaTanaka

      Welcome to contract negotiations Captain Negative!

      • Captain Obvious

        Grow up

        • YakaTanaka

          Oddly, that’s sort of what I just said to you. Maybe this is your first off-season following pro sports, but the leaked offers tend to progressively increase until the player signs. You either didn’t know that ir assumed the Yankees are irrational.

  • fi.ra

    I am mucho late to the commenting, but I’ve been toying around with an idea (didn’t even bother posting on MLBTR), but would the fans here sign Headley (I would) and then trade Martin Prado back to the Braves along with Ian Clarkin and Adam Warren for Justin Upton and Craig Kimbrel? That is precisely what the Braves need (2nd baseman) and they loved Prado and he is cost wise right in their wheelhouse, and the want young pitching. I see that being a sweet deal for both. The Yanks then control Upton’s market after 2015 and if he leaves, they replace Clarkin (in theory) at a later date with the draft pick. Losing Warren is negated by Kimbrel (Warren much cheaper and palatable for the Braves and they can use him in the rotation or bullpen) and losing Prado not bad at all since Headley would man 3rd, Gregorious at SS Pirela or Rsyfender at 2nd Tex at 1st and Upton, Gardner, Ellsbury and Young in the OF. Beltran now becomes full-time DH. Arod is odd man out. I guess he could be revolving DH and 3rd baseman.

    • Andrew Brotherton

      The only way the Yankees get Upton is a 3-way. You send Gardner to a team- and the team sends prospects and such to the Braves. So in your situation you’d send Clarkin and Warren plus lets say the Reds add Grandal and Latos or Leake. They get Gardner, you get Upton and Kimbrel, the Braves get Leake or Latos, Warren, Clarkin, and Grandal, and Prado.

      • Chip

        You’re talking about trading Gardner, Prado, Clarkin and Warren for Upton and Kimbrel? That’s giving up a lot. I suppose I would do it if I thought I could sign Upton long term but you’re putting a lot of faith in the health of Headley and the production of Refsnyder

        • YakaTanaka

          And even if you sogn Upton, you’re probably paying him top dollar, so you’re not getting a lot of value in all likelihood.

      • YakaTanaka

        Your assumption that the Braves want the Reds MLB vets but not the Yankees’ is really questionable. Latos is a free agent after next season, I think.

      • fi.ra

        Sweet Jesus. I had to check if I typed GianCarlo Stanton or Upton. You know we’re talking about a player who has 1 year under contract who at best, is replaced by a high draft pick after he rejects the QO. Latos, Warren, Clarkin, Grandal, Prado is a gigantic overpay, my friend. Have no idea what you’re thinking.

        • The Great Gonzo

          If you think Upton can be replaced by a draft pick, then you’re playing the game all wrong.

          Upton or Kimbrel alone are worth what you are offering.

      • The Great Gonzo

        That deal only works for Atlanta if they get Cueto instead of Latos or Leake. Which means we need to kick in something more, like Banuelos maybe?

    • pasqua

      I really think Prado is a big part of this team. If you sign Headley and unload Prado, you go into the season with gigantic offensive question marks (Refsnyder and Gregorious) at the center of your infield. If you keep Prado, you have a 2B that may actually produce above-average offensive numbers.

      • Chip

        Also, Prado gives you injury coverage at third base and right field. He’s also kinda coverage at first assuming that Headley would move over. I know that sort of thing is overrated but he’s actually pretty solid at both 2B and 3B

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Who are the other five guys the Yankees are throwing in that deal?

      • fi.ra

        I’ll never understand this type of logic. The Braves have a massive hole at 2nd, are notoriously frugal, and like known quantities. Who better than their beloved Prado who fills that void perfectly and is cost effective for 2 years along with a top young prospect (high draft pick I may add, so the pedigree is there) and a lights out (not D-rob or Kimbrel level) bullpen arm that could theoretically stretch out to the rotation. The Braves have opening stated these are two areas of need. They get what? Tjiuan Walker from the Mariners? A straight swap for Latos? They’re really back at square one in that case.

        • The Great Gonzo

          The part you are not accounting for is that Upton is a legit superstar and Kimbrel is one of the best in the game. You are offering them 2 years of a (VERY good) utility man, a good (not top 50) prospect and a young #5 starter for two superstars.

          Hell, that package is a very slight overpay for a team starving for a closer on Kimbrel alone.

    • YakaTanaka

      I don’t think it’s a terrible idea value wise for the Yankees. I probably don’t make the deal, personally, though.

      I’d rather just sign DRob and keep those guys than add Upton and Kimbrel. I find Upton a bit overrated and likely to be overpaid after next year. I’d also prefer to keep the IF depth and let a young player force the Yankees hand than have the Yankees force their own hand… Granted, you would be swapping IF depth for OF depth.

      I can certainly see arguing for it from the Yankees perspective. Not sure if Atlanta does it.

    • yclept

      Prado, Clarkin, and Warren for Upton and Kimbrel? Braves don’t do that in a million years.

  • gageagainstthemachine

    So if Headley has a “4/65 offer in hand” as was once recently reported, and he ends up taking 4/44-48 from the Yankees as now being reported as a possibility(?)… that’s a pretty big “not for a million…ummm…15-20 million… bucks would I play for your ballclub!” kind of statement, no? Again, if any of this being reported is actually true in the end…

    • Captain Obvious

      The report is just what the Yankees offered.

      • gageagainstthemachine

        Right. My comment was purely based off of what’s been reported (if it actually played out that way). Even turning down 10 million difference over the same 4 year offer is a big gap to whoever loses out. But if it’s anywhere higher than that, I would have to say that team doesn’t look to attractive to potential players as a desired destination for quite some time. “Houston, we have a problem…” (or in this case maybe Miami(?), even with the Stanton extension)

    • fi.ra

      I’ve been a firm believer that offer was presented by the Phillies or Rockies and neither team is appealing to Headley. Those are two teams who I could see making such an offer, have a need and are not attractive to play for.

      • gageagainstthemachine

        Exactly. Sucks to be them right now. I do like the idea of more of this in professional sports. At some point, less millions versus more millions is still all the millions you’ll ever need in a lifetime and you go where you want to play.

        (And before anyone jumps in and talks about market value and being respected for your worth is important, I whole-heartedly agree. I’m just saying it’d be nice to see baseball players who aren’t purely mercenaries either. You can’t win in the long run if you’re dependent upon mercenaries. Someone will always offer more. You need loyalty to win too. Just ask the Romans at the end of their empire… but I digress…)

      • MTU

        Why would the Rox need him w Arenado at 3b ?
        Is he injured or something ?

      • The Great Gonzo

        I feel like if that offer in fact does exist, it was from Houston. They seem to be doing some weird shit this offseason trying to make themselves relevant.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I’m pretty sure the 4/65 was just his agent trying to boost offers.

      • bernbabybern

        Isn’t that very much frowned upon?

        I thought Cashman just said if an agent made up offers he would no longer deal with that agent.

        • The Great Gonzo

          If an agent was caught making up offers, sure. All it takes is a guy who knows a guy to tell another guy that there is a number out there.

          That said, it is pretty rough trade.

      • Chip

        I wonder how many GMs laughed at him and told him he better take it while he can?

      • Captain Obvious

        Why do you think people value Headley and Sandoval so differently? Don’t they look like similar players? Simply Sandoval being younger?

        If anything Headley has been better…

        http://www.fangraphs.com/graphsw.aspx?players=5409,4720

        • blake

          Panda is younger and his postseason is still fresh in everyone’s minds….and he’s coming off a better overall season than Headley….Headley’s health also concerns people.

          I’d much rather have Headley for 50 million than Panda for 95 though…..

          • Captain Obvious

            Me too

      • gageagainstthemachine

        Makes sense.

  • Alexandernevermind

    If the Yankees do get Headley is that enough to make anyone feel confident about the offense going into next year? I think the key is potential bounce back seasons from McCann and Beltran.

    • Dan A.

      I think it would be an average offense in all likelihood. It would have above average potential depending on if McCann and Beltran rebound, and depending on whatever you can get from Tex and A-Rod.

      Personally, I don’t consider Headley to be the offensive panacea many here do. The Yankees offense will probably be about the same whether you use Headley or Ref/Pirela instead. But I’ll admit, I’m pretty confident one of Ref/Pirela will be a useful big leaguer with the stick next year (and others are not so confident).

      • Alexandernevermind

        Maybe Headley can be what Scott Brosius was for the Yanks, that would be great!

        • Captain Obvious

          One year of above average performance would be great?

          • Alexandernevermind

            Brosius was very good at third and was decent with the bat plus the intangibles he bought to the team.

            • Captain Obvious

              Again, one above average year and one replacement level year. The other two were below league average years in a very good hitting environment.

              • Alexandernevermind

                I don’t think anyone should expect Headley to set the world on fire with his bat, one very good year and 2 decent years would suffice for me especially with his play at 3rd. I’ll have to check out Brosius’s stats.

      • Chip

        I think Headley is great offensively when you consider the terrible third basemen almost everybody runs out there these days. Dude hit .265/.367/.402 in the second half last year. You can sign me up for that next season

        • Dan A.

          He had a nice second half, but you can’t completely forget about the first half, or the year before, because of it. Last year, he was the number 16 offensive third baseman in terms of wRC+. If he can put up a .367 OBP for a whole year, that would have been third in the league for third baseman. But, it seems really unlikely that he can do that over the whole season. But even a .350 OBP would have been top 5 for third baseman.

          But, he doesn’t hit for power. His .400 slugging would have been 15th in the league, and he ended up being 19th with a .372 SLG (Solarte was 20th FWIW).

          Yes, Headley would be valuable to this team because he gets on base. But they need a real middle of the order hitter. I don’t know if that guy’s out there, but it isn’t Chase Headley.

          • Captain Obvious

            Agreed, but a full year from him in YS will be really valuable. He OPSed .800 at home as a Yankee.

        • Wicomico Pinstripes

          Don’t get me wrong, I’m as big of a Headley fan and proponent of the Yankees signing him as most, but to say he is great offensively whether your comparing him to other 3B or the rest of league in general is a bit of a stretch.

          Yes, he did have a very good second half(121 wRC+) in 2014, but his 109 wRC+ in 13/14 ranks 10th* among 3B.

          Beltre, Donaldson, Carpenter, Wright, Seager, Longoria, Rendon, Sandoval, and Frazier are those 3B who have produced more offensively than Headley the past two years. I would say 4 maybe 5 of those names are great offensive 3B.

          *I chose not to include Miguel Cabrera because he was not a 3B in 2014 or going forward.

      • Captain Obvious

        Average would be a vast improvement over 2014. I don’t see it, but 700 runs with a decent staff at least sends them to October.

        • Dan A.

          Agreed. Last year was painful.

      • Wave Your Hat

        Red/Pirela is an enormous gamble and Headley lets you avoid that. Whether it’s worth the extra money I don’t know.

        • Dan A.

          They have the minor league track record. Right now, the general
          assessment on Refsnyder is his bat is ready, and the Yankees aren’t
          pulling the trigger because of his glove.

          • Wave Your Hat

            I like Ref but I think his bat is still a maybe too.

      • YakaTanaka

        That is pretty optimistic about Pirela and/or Refsnyder.

    • Chip

      Ellsbury, Gardner, Beltran, McCann, Tex, Headley, Prado, A-Rod, Didi

      You know, that’s not a terrible lineup assuming some decent years out of guys. You’re asking a lot but you should pretty much know you’re getting above average offense from Ellsbury, Gardner, Tex and Headley. McCann and Prado are young enough to believe in a bounce back season. Beltran and A-Rod could be contributors or just completely fall off a cliff.

      The big wildcard is Didi. We now he’ll pay decent enough defense. Will YS pump up his homer total? Does he learn to hit lefties a la Cano? Can he continue with his good plate discipline? Give him a bit more BABIP and power and you’re looking at something like .280/.350/.420 which is insane for a shortstop. Yeah, it’s unlikely but that’s probably his ceiling

      • Captain Obvious

        Not one scary good bat though, not even relative to the position. Jeter had a very good bat – relative to other SSs, he was exceptional.

        Most are around average to slightly above average bats.

        • Chip

          The key is that there isn’t a whole lot of black holes in the lineup. You’re not being forced to run out a Brendan Ryan every day and deal with the zero offense he gives you. Even if A-Rod is unusable, which he might be, they’ll just play Beltran and McCann a lot at DH and use Young and Murphy

          • Captain Obvious

            Didi might be. Teixeira is close. Beltran was last year. A-Rod is close. That’s half the lineup. And still depends on what they do at 2B/3B.

        • YakaTanaka

          I think your premise is wrong. Scary bat == good lineup, and even good lineup == good team.

        • andrewyf

          There aren’t a lot of scary good bats left in the majors.

          • Captain Obvious

            True, but you’d think the Yankees would have one. Nope.

      • Wave Your Hat

        I love the trade for Didi but you are just asking for disappointment if you project those kind of numbers for him. .650 to .680 is much more realistic and would be perfectly acceptable as long as his defense is good.

        • YakaTanaka

          I’m not big on OPS as a metric (kind of a sloppy shortcut), but Gregorius has a career .680 OPS. Saying that’s the high end of what you expect is pessimistic.

          • Wave Your Hat

            Somewhat but given that he has relatively few plate appearances and he took a 50 point OPS tumble last year I think it is more realistic than a bounce back to .700. Hope I’m wrong; like I said before I’m a fan of the trade. This is just next year we are discussing, long term there’s a chance he’s better.

            • YakaTanaka

              Not really how statistical projection works…

      • dkidd

        mccann at clean-up is grim

        • YakaTanaka

          I don’t think lineup order much matters, but it’s also adjustable.

          The middle of the lineup doesn’t stand out, but it should he a nice, long MLB lineup. Which they’ve lacked for the last two years.

          • dkidd

            agreed. if you can’t raise the ceiling, at least raise the floor

            • YakaTanaka

              Sure. Overall I don’t know if raising the ceiling is actually preferable to raising the floor… Fans love stars, but a nice deep lineup can potentially be as good as one that has some stars and some zeros.

              Of course I know you’d rather raise both…

      • FriarFlyer

        Didi won’t hit 9th, the stacks three LH bats… Prado won’t hit in bottom three

    • YakaTanaka

      I’d have to ask how confident? Or confident they’ll do what?

      I’m pretty confident that they’ll be better than 2014. That’s not a high bar, though. I don’t know how good I expect them to be in absolute terms (I mean literally I don’t know, not trying to imply anything). I certainly don’t expect top of the league.

      Full seasons from Prado and Headley (in this hypothetical case), Didi expected to be at least a bit better than Jeter offensively, plus what should be something better than 2014 from Beltran, McCann, Tex, amd ARod to go along with Gardner and Ellsbury… Even Young over Ichiro should be a nice marginal gain and Pirela may provide some offense. That’s a pretty solid lineup. I’d have to guess top half of the league.

      • Alexandernevermind

        Do you think they need a RH bat with power in the middle of the lineup?

        • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

          obviously

        • YakaTanaka

          Not really. I would be great with it if they got one at a good price. I don’t think they need one, though.

          First, I think handedness is one of the most misused data points in baseball. 2/3 of Ps are RH, so all else equal I will take a LH batter. Platoon splits vary quite a bit player to player, though.

          A middle of the order bat sort of implies good overall production, but I don’t really care if the production comes more from power or OBP.

          I just don’t look at the game through a framework that isolates something like a RH middle of the order bat. I look at it in terms of scoring more runs than you give up, and having the overall offense, pitching, and defense to do that. Certainly good hitters can go a long way, but I would never say a team needs a particular handedness hitter with a particular tool that stands out.

    • Captain Obvious

      I feel better but would like to see a major move for Upton.

      • Alexandernevermind

        We have a winner!!!! Getting a RH power bat would do wonders for the lineup.

      • edb

        Maybe grab both uptons to lessen the prospect cost?

        • The Great Gonzo

          And what would we do with 6 outfielders? Trade Gardner to make room for BJ fucking Upton?

          • edb

            I was picturing bj in Youngs spot

            • The Great Gonzo

              So what to be done with Young? Is BJ really an upgrade?

              • Wicomico Pinstripes

                47 wRC+ in 253 PA against LHP in 13/14. Very doubtful.

              • edb

                No he isn’t but he’s payroll the Braves don’t want. Upton straight up would cost more so I was thinking maybe a salary dump to save prospects. Everyone always says payroll doesn’t matter in nyc. I was proposing a different way to use that asset.

    • Wave Your Hat

      You can’t ignore the huge risk that Upton is a one year situation. He is going to fetch a boatload of talent in return and it would be devastating to the long term competitiveness of the Yanks to ship off the best of the farm and then lose Upton after next year.

      Oops, I meant this as a response to captain O below. IPhone playing tricks.

      • Alexandernevermind

        Contingent on him signing an extension which he won’t do which makes that speculation pointless huh? Lol

      • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

        If the Yankees trade for Upton, they will be sure they can resign him. You don’t give up the best of the farm for a one year rental.

        • Wave Your Hat

          I think that means they won’t trade for him. Upton will test the market, he’ll be the slightly poorer man’s Giancarlo Stanton.

          • blake

            he’s not signing an extension unless the first number is 2 IMO…..I wouldn’t if I were him…..because of that I think if they were making a big deal for a bat I might target Kemp instead……Kemp’s deal isn’t bad anymore with how the market has moved. He’s got like 5 x 22 left on it…..and if he’s healthy he’s probably worth that.

        • The Great Gonzo

          He has zero incentive to sign an extension unless it trumps all things Crawford/Werth (best comps, non Giancarlo Division, I can come up with right now)… He’s best off being the biggest fish in the 2015-6 pond.

          • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

            I didn’t mean extension, I meant that if the Yankees do trade for him, they’d be sure they will resign him in the offseason.

            • The Great Gonzo

              Fair enough. Nowhere near a given though

      • Y’s Guy

        Judging by the fact that Altanta has apparently not recieved any “shelby miller” type offers for Upton, plus the rumor that San Diego might get Kemp on a package centered around Grandal, (plus the nothing the A’s took back for Brendon Moss) I’d say the hitters market (so far?) isn’t as strong as has been rumored.

      • Bret The Hitman

        But the effect of an audition is positive nowadays. Drew failed his. Headley was a huge success and thus might be willing to take a discount. The goal should be to sell Justin Upton on the city long-term. If you give yourself a year to finalize your pitch then you did what you could in advance of his free agency.

        • The Great Gonzo

          Didn’t work for Texas and one Clifton Phifer Lee, though. Just saying it might not be a bad idea, but maybe not the best idea

        • kurt wright

          Headly hit about .260 with maybe 6 homeruns…good defense yes but those numbers do not qualify as “a huge success” better then he was in SD last year yes, where he was quite mediocre, but a huge success??!! c’mon!

          • The Great Gonzo

            Check your stats, brah…

            • kurt wright

              just did…and I was right. YOU check em!

              • Wicomico Pinstripes

                Headley had a 88 wRC+ in the first half and a 121 wRC+ in the second half. When the Yankees traded for him he had created roughly 10% less runs than a league average hitter. After the trade he created about 20% more runs than a league average hitter. I’d say that’s a fairly large success.

                • kurt wright

                  Did he or did he not hit .262 with 6 home runs in just under 200 ab’s with the Yankees…I don’t care what other stat you try to use to justify it if that is a huge success then I would hate see a huge failure…and jhe did not have any other offensive stats that jump out at you. Defense yes. Offense, so so…and outside of 2012 his numbers are mediocre

                  • Wicomico Pinstripes

                    I think your assessment on offensive production is a bit skewed. Offense has been trending downward for years. A .262 BA and 6 HR in 224 PAs is much different than it would have been 10, shit even 5 years ago.

                    And the comment about success was made in reference to his expected production with the Yankees given his performance to that point in the season.

                    • kurt wright

                      well, that is true, offensive numbers have been trending down, I will give you that. But we have minor leaguers that show the potential to put up better numbers than Chase does…and yes we don’t know until they do it in the majors, but if we don’t give them a chance, like we did with the core 4 plus Bernie etc., then we never find out. His numbers, even with declining offensive numbers the last few years are nothing to get excited about. I’ll take Prado and see what Refsnyder is made of instead of the same old same old of signing a 31 year old for 4 years and 50-65 million. All it does is keep us from finding out about some promising young players…something we need to begin doing sooner rather than later.

            • kurt wright

              I did check…and I was right! Maybe you should check em. You will find that outside of his one big year in 2012 he numbers are mediocre

              • The Great Gonzo

                Lets define mediocre. Even if we use just OPS+, he has been awesome one season, very good for 3.5, and average for 3. And below average for 1.5.

                Also, does not account for the defense, which is above average. Also doesn’t account fully for the great play he put up for the Yankees last August & September.

                And .260 with 6 HRs is in 58 games. Which is close to 18hrs over a full season. I’ll take that.

                Or don’t. I don’t give a shit.

                • kurt wright

                  I don’t…and if you don’t care why do you keep responding? Again, you prove my point…18 hrs over a full season for a third baseman is decent, nothing more,

  • Rick

    Kimbrel would be ridiculous. That is all.

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      Aside of how much Kimbrel might cost us, eesh. That bullpen would continue to get uglier.

    • bernbabybern

      Nastiest bullpen ever.

  • Y’s Guy

    “”Giants may swoop in to get Lester, in part, with $ saved by Sondoval signing with the Red Sox, who need Lester more than they needed Sandoval”
    Joel Sherman

    • YakaTanaka

      Is it really swooping in when there have been rumors of how their FO and Tim Hudson are recruiting Lester for weeks?

      Some MSM journalists will try to turn anything into a scoop.

    • blake

      I still think he’s gonna be a cub…..they have the money….it would be their Jason Werth or Robinson Cano type move to announce they are ready to try to contend

      • YakaTanaka

        Certainly possible, Tim Hudson is a good bud of his and tue Giants are a pretty damn well run organization in a very nice part of the country to live in with plenty of budget. Certainly possible he’s a Giant as well

        • blake

          Still holding out hope he’s none of the above and puts on the pinstripes

          • YakaTanaka

            I’m luke warm on him, personally. It’s a lot of money for a guy who has had some down seasons and will he in his 30s.

            Based on rumors, Scherzer seems more likely.

      • Pete22

        But where is Lester going to put his yacht?. Fresh water lakes don’t do it

      • Y’s Guy

        Anywhere in the NL is fine by me!

  • Bret The Hitman

    Craig Kimbrel? Seems like the Yankees want to add a closer so he could be a fallback to Robertson. What I’m wondering is would they, after adding a closer, include Betances in a deal and really sell high on him like they did with Montero and Shane Greene.

    • Dario Rojas

      The Yankees would be foolish to trade Betances. He was a top prospect, unlike Greene who came out of nowhere

      • Dalek Jeter

        He was also a busted prospect. If Betances didn’t succeed in the bullpen this year he’d probably be out of the org.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Betances is a cost-controlled elite reliever. His value is maxed out unless he gets moved to starter.

        • YakaTanaka

          There’s still a good amount of value in that, though. Trading assets for a more expensive RP so you could trade him for something else that would probably also be less of a bargain or less of a sure thing would not necessarily help you capture value. I mean it’s possible, but fairly comicated so only so likely.

          And as I said above, these rumors were out there before they signed Miller.

          • Bret The Hitman

            Teams bait and switch all the time. The talks initially focus on one player (Kimbrel) and shift to another (Upton). So maybe they talked Kimbrel with Braves to gauge interest in Betances in the event DRob returns, and Yanks secretly covet Upton over Kimbrel?

            • YakaTanaka

              I would say there are more likely possibilities than them talking about trading one RP for another RP to actually trade for a RF, but anything is possible.

              I would guess that what happened was they were exploring their options before signing Miller to see how the value on the trade market compared to free agency.

      • YakaTanaka

        Not sure media prospect status matters.

    • YakaTanaka

      Rumors about the Yankees discussing Kimbrel and Cishek were out ther e before the signed Miller last week. Probably just recycled info.

      • Bret The Hitman

        I don’t know, they still seem to be after DRob and didn’t commit to Miller as a closer publicly.

      • Rick

        Why didn’t you get us hyped about it then? I would’ve done a serious Kimbrel rain dance in lieu of one for Miller.

        • YakaTanaka

          I’m pretty sure it was a blurb on MLBTR. Don’t remember the details, but I don’t think it left the impression the talks were on going or that serious. Just that they had them.

          As great as Kimbrel is, I’d imagine he’d take some serious assets to acquire. I could certainly be convinced he’s worth it, but I like the just money for Miller (amd maybe a pick plus money for DRob) move.

  • Bret The Hitman

    I have a feeling Headley is waiting for Lester since they share common suitors (SF, NYY). So Yankees need to hurry up and sign Lester.

    • YakaTanaka

      Latest I read on Lester is that the Yankees aren’t even discussing him internally, let alone pursuing him.

      • Bret The Hitman

        I don’t buy that.

        • YakaTanaka

          I can buy it. Lester is going to get a lot of money until he’s quite old and has not consistently been elite.

          Perhaps the Scherzer rumors are just Boras, but maybe they just prefer him.

    • Austinmac

      It may well be Headley is waiting on the Giants to see if their money goes to Lester. Wishing for Lester doesn’t make it true.

      • Bret The Hitman

        It’s not gonna stop me brother.

        • Austinmac

          Go for it. I would love him myself.

          • Bret The Hitman

            It’s OK to fall in love, you just have to be willing to be hurt.

            • Austinmac

              You’re getting philosophical on me. But, my secret wish is Upton. I feel the loveless feeling already from the Yankees.

              • Bret The Hitman

                Kate, BJ or Justin?

                • nylsjd

                  Kate giving a …. ok, I’ll stop there.

                • Rick

                  I mean we basically saw all 3 together when Kate’s cell phone got hacked, amiright?

                  • Bret The Hitman

                    I was too focused on Jennifer Lawrence to notice.

                • Austinmac

                  Kate on a horse.

                • bernbabybern

                  I’ll take Kate and BJ.

  • Captain Clutch

    Jerry Crasnick

    2 minutes ago
    I just had a front office person tell me, “Don’t count out the #yankees with Jon Lester.” Scout hearing the same thing.

    • Bret The Hitman

      Word!

      • Austinmac

        I would gladly acknowledge your foresight.

    • mustang

      THIS WHAT I BEEN TALKING ABOUT!!!!

      Something in the Boston Harbor

  • Pete22

    Ok, so now its is looking as if the Yankees are in on Lester, Headley and D-Rob. I guess these advance ticket sales are real weak and Hal has taken a match to his budget or we are being played.

    • mustang

      And if Lester sign with The yankees I’m calling you out!

      • Bret The Hitman

        I’m calling out BigDan on Headley and his AROD at 3B BS

        • nylsjd

          No reason to call out BigDan. He’s called himself out enough simply by opening his mouth (or typing on his keyboard)

        • mustang

          It probably woundn’t happen but if it does there will be a loooong line of people doing this:

        • Pete22

          Wait until the ink dries

      • Pete22

        I will be humbled

      • NYCORNERSTONE

        They don’t call him the Ninja for nothing ,,Red sox Christmas will be ruined he signs Lester and ours will be awesome !

  • nylsjd

    “A front office person cautioned Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com (on Twitter) not to count the Yankees out of the Lester sweepstakes. Crasnick also spoke with a scout who is hearing the same thing.” Ewwwwwww girl

  • YankeeFan™

    i like Lester i see a lot of Andy Pettite in him

    • Captain Obvious

      They are identical when it comes to where they were at the same age:
      http://www.fangraphs.com/graphsw.aspx?players=840,4930&wg=2

      • YankeeFan™

        wow your right thanks for the link

    • RetroRob

      I’m more partial to Andy Pettitte than Andy Pettite.

      I’ve made the Pettitte comparison, as have others, more so because his style of pitching as a lefty with his cutter may indicate a better chance for longevity. Yet that’s the type of mind game teams play to convince themselves to sign him to a long-term contract. If he stays healthy, he may be a good bet for longevity. He could also hit a wall in two years like CC did.

      If they’re going to sign one of the two big free agent pitchers, my preference would be Lester.

  • RetroRob

    Don’t like the Kimbrel talk. He’s awesome, but he’d be expensive in terms of prospects. The Braves might even want Betances back in return as part of the package, which would make no sense. Keep the prospects for the big league team, or trade them to fill an actual need. Sign D-Rob if they want a closer.

    • Rick

      Nah, it’s cool. The rest of the rumor was Kimbrel for A-Rod, followed by Kimbrel mandating a massive pay cut so the funds can be put to Scherzer.

      • RetroRob

        Ok, sold.
        As Mike’s 2007 MLBTR thread shows, most of these rumors have little foundation. I’m sure if Kimbrel is available the Yankees would check to see the price, but I don’t see how it would happen in a way that makes sense for the Yankees, or if it did make sense for the Yankees, then it wouldn’t for the Braves.

        • Bret The Hitman

          Teams bait and switch all the time. The talks initially focus on one player (Kimbrel) and shift to another (Upton). So maybe they talked Kimbrel with Braves to gauge interest in Betances in the event DRob returns, and Yanks secretly covet Upton over Kimbrel???

          • The Great Gonzo

            It is not even the strangest combination to get there I can muster up. You all read the Astros notes leaked last year. The way they get to some of these negotiations are wild.

            All told, if we landed ther, I would not be mad at it.

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      Agreed. Kimbrel is due at least 3/34MM or 4/46MM if his option is picked up. He’s a better bet to be more effective than Robertson going forward, but the difference could be negligible and when considering prospect cost I would much rather have DRob. It comes down to what the Braves are asking for and the contract Robertson signs, though. I don’t think a Kimbrel trade is likely, so I’m not giving it much thought.

      • RetroRob

        Robertson is very good, but Kimbrel is in another league, and I don’t mean the National League. Yet it’s not as if the Yankees would save money, or much as you noted, since Kimbrel is owed 4/46MM. (If he only costs 3/34, that means he broke down and the club doesn’t pick up the option, which would be bad.) I’d rather they go with the lesser reliever (but still very good one in D-Rob) and upgrade elsewhere.

        That said, you’re right. I don’t think the talks are all that serious, which is why most here haven’t picked up on it either. If they’re talking, it’s about some other player, or as part of another three-team deal where Kimbrel goes elsewhere, etc. If someone like KImbrel comes on the market, it makes sense to check him out, but I don’t think there’s much chance of anything happening.

  • mustang

    Now people are jumping on the “Lester signing with the Yankees bandwagon”….LOL
    Like i said before this process with Lester was taking too long with his camp knowing what’s already out there.
    Still probably won’t happen, but their going to get him or driving up the price.
    Either way
    CASHMAN RULES!!!!

    • Bret The Hitman

      I really get the feeling he’s having a good offseason. He’s in some kind of zone. Just a feeling. I have been really down on Cashman over the years. But the Pineda, Headley and Prado trades have changed my outlook from gloomy to very positive. He sold high on Montero and Greene and bought low on Prado and Headley. I’m getting a good feeling.

  • phil mitchell

    6:09pm: A front office person cautioned Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com (on Twitter) not to count the Yankees out of the Lester sweepstakes. Crasnick also spoke with a scout who is hearing the same thing.

    • Pete22

      Rumor has it this scout looks 13 yo. Same kid on twitter? Boy scout?

    • blake

      Git R done cash

    • The Great Gonzo

      A source tells me don’t count the Yankees out on (insert FA name here) Sweepstakes.

  • sadieprincess

    can we get kemp for a package starting with sanchez?

    • Bret The Hitman

      Let’s go for the Upton package.

      • sadieprincess

        what if the braves want sanchez and judge?

        • Bret The Hitman

          Offer Betances and Gardner since they plan to move Kimbrel and Upton. Those work as cheap replacements for a cheap org

          • sadieprincess

            expand it. simmons, kimbrel, and upton for gardner, sanchez, judge and didi

            • Bret The Hitman

              No no, Gardner + Betances for Upton. Braves move Kimbrel in a separate deal and replace Upton with Gardner and Kimbrel with Betances. It works for them. Very easy decision.

              • sadieprincess

                u don’t think giving up gardner and betances is too much for upton?

                • Bret The Hitman

                  It’s competitive so it’s the normal amount. It’s more than other teams will offer but any less is not competitive.

                • TB

                  That’s a moronic trade and it wouldn’t happen so whats the point in posting it

                  • Bret The Hitman

                    It’s sheer genius, you’ll see.

                    • NYCORNERSTONE

                      never happen Uptons a liability

                  • bernbabybern

                    He has hated Gardner for years.

                    • Bret The Hitman

                      shhhhhhhhhhhhh

                  • NYCORNERSTONE

                    lol

                • RetroRob

                  Don’t worry, it would never happen. A single season of Upton, for four years of Gardner at a below-market rate, and five years of Betances, who has two years before he’s arbitration eligible and five years of team control, is a very poor deal for the Yankees.

        • blake

          No way

    • blake

      who knows….I’d like to find out

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      RIGHT AFTER LESTER :)

    • Pete22

      What the Yankees need, another aging injury riddled high priced player. If DH was open I would consider it though if the Dodgers some of the salary

      • Y’s Guy

        Kemp is only 30 and his contract only runs through his age 34 season, it’s not like he’s another Beltran.

  • mustang

    Why do i picture Cashman in a hotel room LOlL!
    Regardless !!!

    • Pete22

      You mean suite

      • mustang

        With a friend or friends…… :)

        GO CASH!!!

        • Bret The Hitman

          And bud, you know he’s a business class smoker.

        • Pete22

          Its elbow to elbow in their I am sure, the spatial orientation is open to the imagination

          • mustang

            If the dude can cut the Didi deal while rappelling down a Connecticut building I wonder what he can do doing other things?
            LOL

            wrong place

        • mustang

          If the dude can cut the Didi deal while rappelling down a Connecticut building I wonder what he can do doing other things?
          LOL

  • Pete22

    So Hammel did what the Red Sox hoped Lester would do. Landed some decent talent in a trade and then signed right back with the Cubs .

  • Mike

    Signing Lester is a no brainer. I think Cashman comes in at 150/6 and closes the deal.

    • TB

      don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen

    • The Great Gonzo

      The ultimate troll move would be to sign Lester for EXACTLY what the Red Sox offered plus $28.

    • mustang

      I say 144 for 6 exactly what Lester said he would really think about signing in season last year then the Sox came with lame ass offer.

  • The Great Gonzo

    As much as I would not want Lester and the cost it would incur (as my belief is that they need that $150M in a TON of other places), I could easily be talked in to cheering for him over the next 6-7 seasons.

    • Y’s Guy

      Absolutely. I don’t want them to sign him either but if they do I’ll be pulling for him all the way.

      • The Great Gonzo

        That $150 is easily spent on Robertson, Headley, McCarthy, and you’d have something like $20M left over for a couple Josh Johnson/Brandon Morrow type flyers to round out rotation competition.

        Shit, you might even be able to get the ‘wily vet’ 25th man (The Marcus Thames Memorial contract) done too… My moneys on either Francisco or the return of Mark Reynolds.

        At the risk of turning over my Polyanna Card, this team is more than a few pieces away. Spread the wealth and get some value for that cash.

        • mustang

          THIS!!

          • The Great Gonzo

            I need to get a Mastercard

        • NYCORNERSTONE

          how about they just get all 4 Hal becomes George

  • Captain Clutch

    I really, really doubt that the yanks are involved with Lester. Media people are saying it because they have so much money so they aren’t counting them out but there aren’t any reports that they are involved. I know that they can jump in at any minute but I don’t see it happening.

  • mustang

    Lester signing with the Yankees would equal the Mussina signing as far as the fucking over a rival factor.

    “Mussina decided to leave the Orioles via free agency.[9] He signed a 6-year, $88.5 million contract with the New York Yankees on November 30, 2000.”

    I loved that signing.

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      Thats exactly why i say yanks sign him it would be huge

    • Mike

      Mussina was great here. I bet Mussina was glad he signed here instead of the hitters park in Boston.

  • Jill McNeish Poock

    Do Yankees actually have a shot at getting Lester?

    • TB

      No but they are staying at a holiday inn

    • Let’s Go Yanks

      doubt it

    • Bret The Hitman

      It is certain.

    • mustang

      Its makes all the sense in the world, but probably not.
      Still they are making Monday fun.
      Hummmmmm

    • Joey Domingues

      nope, still only interested in Scherzer

  • Y’s Guy

    Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
    3 minutes ago
    “No real evidence yanks are in on lester. If they go for big starter, they prefer scherzer.”

    • Let’s Go Yanks

      Yanks used as a ploy to get Sox and company to ante up, most likely the Sox

      • CashmanNinja

        Even if they don’t get Lester I’m ok with this tactic. Other teams have done that to us for ages, now the shoe is on the other foot.

        • Let’s Go Yanks

          Yanks did it with Carl Crawford, which effectively ruined Theo’s reign in Boston.

          • The Great Gonzo

            No. Theo trying to convince everyone that he was smarter than the room while being undermined by his dipshit bosses ruined his reign in Boston.

            Seriously, working for John Henry has to be about 10 times worse than anything Papa Bear coulda thrown at you. Shit, even Al Davis’ intentions were all out there… #JustWinBaby

    • The Great Gonzo

      I believe nothing anyone says for the next 3 days. Not even my kids.

      • Let’s Go Yanks

        but what about yourself: if you do not believe what you are saying, does this mean that you you are not to believe yourself, in essence you believe everything anyone says during the next 3 days

        • Guest

          Double check your source. One SUPER good season, and a bunch of average to above average years. And a very good defensive player.

          Or don’t. I don’t give a shit.

        • The Great Gonzo

          I only believe the words of one Robinson Tilapia. And Eddard.

    • Bigdan

      I think this is accurate but why do I get the sense Heyman has a personal interest in this.

  • Thunder2122

    I’d still take Scherzer over Lester any day. Been consistently great over past 3 years while Lester was truly great only last year. Plus a lot fewer innings on his arm.

  • Y’s Guy

    Dan Shaughnessy’s piece on Lester for tomorrow’s paper blames the RS for bungling the whole thing from last spring.
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/12/09/jon-lester-watch-stakes-are-high-and-information-scarce/U3Fcwdw1UNqOUS7xSPnM9M/story.html

    • Let’s Go Yanks

      really like Shaughnessy. He called out Ortiz when no one else would in Boston.

    • The Great Gonzo

      In that case he’s 120% right.

    • Bigdan

      Shaughnessy writes from his gut and doesn’t seem to care who he pisses off. That’s admirable today. It’s even more interesting that Henry, the Sox owner, is his boss, or has been for the last year or so. Wonder how that’s working out. Imagine if Hal owned the Daily News and was Lupica’s boss? Now that would be a little uncomfortable at the paper’s Christmas party.

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    This from Shaughnessy:

    “I’m beginning to think the Steinbrenner boys are pondering selling their team in a few years and no longer want to be strapped with hundred-million-dollar contracts that extend toward 2020.”

    • The Great Gonzo

      Dear Mr. Shaughnessy:

      http://www.bagofdicks.com

      Thanks and regards

    • Dalek Jeter

      Who the heck is Shaughnessy?

      • The Great Gonzo

        Boston Globe writer

        • dkidd

          known as CHB (curly haired boyfriend) in the boston clubhouse

      • Centaur Hips
        • The Great Gonzo

          I love this.

        • Havok9120

          “The worst thing that can happen is to need to play that game tomorrow in Tampa.”

          Really? Is that actually the worst thing that can happen?

      • HoopDreams

        Some Boston clown

  • Canarsie Yankee

    Your Trade Proposal Sucks

  • The Great Gonzo

    Dude, Joel Hanrahan is Rule 5 Eligible? How the hell does that work? Also, how don’t you put a claim on him in the Rule 5 draft knowing he has a better chance than most to stick as a bullpen piece?

    • Canarsie Yankee

      I just read that on Trade Rumors and I have no damn clue. Almost seems like a no-brainer for most clubs with a roster spot. Looks like Detroit just paid him to use their rehab facilities.

      • The Great Gonzo

        Seems like a no-brainer that someone grabs him.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          One million bucks for the contract, three million if he hits all incentives, which I imagine place him somewhere in the Hanrahan of old. Bargain.

    • Havok9120

      Wait, really? If he makes it to us, there has to be some sort of catch.

      If there isn’t, sign me up.

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Joel Sherman of the New York Post (on Twitter) hears that Headley will make his decision by the end of the Winter Meetings. There are three or four teams bidding on him right now, including the Giants and Yankees.

    It’s not just the starting pitchers that are waiting for Jon Lester to sign, tweetsSherman. Headley is also up in the air because the Giants won’t know how much they can afford to spend until they know whether they can sign Lester.

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    The White Sox are among the favorites to acquire A’s starter Jeff Samardzija – assuming he’s traded. If a deal does happen, the A’s would receive Marcus Semien and prospects, reports Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (two tweets).

    Sox options limiting if they do not get Lester. They will be forced to pay ever-aging Shields or deal with Ruben Amaro for Hamels.

    • Jack

      Just watch Amaro be normal for once when trading with the Sox.

  • Bret The Hitman

    No update since 4:26? Here comes a bomb.

    • bernbabybern

      Reload the page.

    • mustang

      Working out the final details my friend.

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Friedman said he would have zero hesitation in trading players within the division, tweets Mark Saxon of ESPNLosAngeles.com.
    Typical, move outside of the AL East and now he wants trade within the division.

  • Preston

    John Heyman saying that a team favors a Boras client. Shocking.

  • mustang

    Sabean says that Lester is the only player that he’s currently engaged in, according to John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle (on Twitter). He also says there are five teams that are in on Lester, not four (link).
    FIVE TEAMS NOT FOUR!!!!!!

    • Dan A.

      Possible number 5: Yankees, Cardinals, Braves (who I know said they were out). Any other ideas?

      • mustang

        No that’s about it probably in that order to.

    • mustang

      Also nice to see that Giants aren’t “engaged” with a much needed 3rd baseman

  • HoopDreams

    Lester needs to stop being a dick and make a decision already

    • mustang

      Easy that’s a future Yankee your talking about…LOL

  • thunderdan162

    uhhh i can feel myself buying into the lester hype even know i know its probably not likely

    • mustang

      Come on in there is lots of room…LOL

  • mustang

    If the bidding is up to 7 for 175 for Lester what’s Max going to get?
    I’m think more and more that the Yanks end up with Headley and McCathy.

  • mustang

    If the bidding is up to 7 for 175 for Lester what’s Max going to get?
    I’m think more and more that the Yanks end up with Headley and McCathy.