Open Thread: Winn comes cheaper than originally thought

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When the Yankees first reached an agreement with Randy Winn a few weeks back, reports indicated that he would receive the last $2M left in the budget. Not long after that, the Dodgers landed Reed Johnson for just a six-figure payout, and I said the Yanks overpaid to get their man, even though he was the right player.

Well guess what? It turns out Winn’s deal isn’t quite as rich as originally reported. Take it away, Joel Sherman

The Yankees today also officially signed Winn to his one year contract for a $1.1 million base with $900,000 available in incentives: $100,000 each for 50, 75 and 100 plate appearances, and $150,000 apiece for 125, 150, 175 and 200.

Yes, the incentives add up to $900,000 which would make the total value of the deal the original $2M. However that money is far from guaranteed, and if Winn pockets it, it means either a) something bad has happened in the outfield, or b) he played well enough to earn the playing time. Remember this is a very easy deal to back out of. If Winn’s not producing, they’ll just dump him.

Bottom line: Randy Winn at $2M was an overpay, but Randy Winn at 55% of that with some incentives is just fine. No reason to cancel your season tickets.

Update: Commenter Cecala points out that Winn’s incentives are based on plate appearances against lefty pitchers only. Even better.

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Once you’re finished disagreeing with me, go ahead and use this as your open thread for the night. In case you haven’t heard, we have a perpetual off-topic post now, available at the end of the nav bar above. You don’t have to wait all day to talk about something we don’t have a post for anymore. Anyway, the Devils are the only local team in action tonight, but there is a new hour of 24 on. Enjoy the thread.

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  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Randy Winn is the worst player ever and will single handedly destroy the Yankees’ 2010 season.

    • J.R.

      And only Joba to the pen permanently could fix it.

      • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

        And only Joba and Hughes to the pen permanently could fix it.

        Fixed.

    • pete

      Randy Winn will use clever alchemy to make his methods of destroying the 2010 Yankees and the city itself look like dark magic. It’s up to Cashman to stop him before it’s too late.

      Btw, Cashman = http://watchsherlockholmes.inf.....olmes1.jpg

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

    Nothing like making very preliminary last minute spring training (non-Yankees) plans…

    And it all revolves around whether or not my grandmother is around (ie, free lodging)

  • DP

    Bottom line: Randy Winn at $2M was an overpay, but Randy Winn Johnny Damon at 55%600% of that with some incentiveslong term security is just fine. would be even better!

    /Lanny’d

  • PaulF

    Does anyone know what the Red Sox bullpen is looking like next year? I heard some people saying it was one of the top two in the baseball with the Dodgers, but I don’t see it. Rivera, Hughes and Marte are better better than Papelpon, Bard, Okajima, no?

    • DP

      If there’s only one thing you realize about baseball, it should be this: the Red Sox are better than the Yankees in every facet of the game. Their 25th man is better than A-Rod. No one denies this!

      • pete

        the red sox only lose because they are charitable and it is good for the game.

      • http://yanksdraftsandprospects.blogspot.com/ Jake H

        True dat

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

      They have two Ramon Ramirezeses!!!!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        And we lost half of our Fat Sanchezes.

        Advantage: Red Sox

    • JGS

      Bard alone makes it top 2

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

        They also have another Bard and another Papelbon in the minors. The Yankees should should just switch their efforts to Major League Soccer.

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/t.....p?c_id=bos

      Bard and Bowden? We may as well forfeit.

      • bexarama

        Is Bowden the one that came in during that ridiculous blowout where we annihilated Penny, gave up like seven runs in one inning, and walked away crying? Cuz I actually felt bad for him.

        • Stormrider6

          I don’t recall, but I remember beating up on Billy Traber so bad he got DFA’d. I wonder if Sam Adams makes a DFA IPA?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Who cares?

            Pinstripe Brewery makes a DFA IPA, and it’s ironically delicious.

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

    I know it doesn’t look pretty and I just hastily throw a post together, but I’ve got the first real post up on M&A. Check it out!

    http://mystiqueandaura.com/

    If Moshe checks this out: I think I’m just going to toss the penny and grab “Lifestyle” by StudioPress. It speaks to me.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      Also, big thanks to RABer chriskeo for helping with the set-up, Mike and Tommie for the name, Moshe for his advice, and everyone else who has helped. This is a wonderful community.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Good luck, guys. I look forward to it.

        /bookmarked

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I’m still waiting on that hefty check, BTW. Intellectual property rights aren’t free.

        • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          Might be able to set you up with a hefty chick.

          And, the true source for the name? The internet.

        • billbybob

          They are if you live in China.

          /People’s Republic’ed

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

        If NoMaas and the Onion had a baby, it would look something like that. I plan on leaving you batshit-crazy comments on a nightly basis.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Nice first post. I chuckled.

      I was a little disappointed that Vince Coleman didn’t pop up somewhere to throw a firecracker at someone, though.

    • Moshe Mandel

      Sounds good. It is a nice theme, so I get the allure.

    • chriskeo

      The theme you picked looks good, glad to see the blog come together nicely.

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        Thanks for your help Chris!

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

      Coincidently, that is where Aroldis Chapman lives in the offseason, Mystique, Andorra.

      /Horrible, god-awful joke’d

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I should be punished
        For every pun I shed
        Spare not a puny shred
        Of my punnish head

    • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Heh, nice, I’m looking forward to reading some more. I feel like I’ve seen a couple of people mention your blog recently, are you working with other RAB dwellers?

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

        It’s Steve H. and I.

  • AndrewYF

    There’s also a new hour of Chuck on NBC at 8.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

      True, true.

  • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    Until you tell me that Johnny Damon and Randy Winn switched faces, Travolta/Cage style, and we get Damon’s body with Winn’s face, I refuse to re-buy my season tickets.

    /bronx teacher’d

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

    This is a nice story.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/chic.....id=4897287

    Now, give Montero #8.

    • JGS

      or let Hawkins wear 21 in honor of Clemente…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Ever since I signed with the White Sox, the first thing Ozzie Guillen said [was]: ‘You can forget about 13, that’s going to be my number,’

      I like that in this interesting human interest story about the link between two great defensive big league shortstops who share a bond of shared national pride and status… that Ozzie Guillen is still an unhinged batshit insane crazy jerkface.

      That’s the first thing he said to you?

      You know, normally, I’d say that Vizquel was just paraphrasing/adding color to the statement and that “Lissen, cabron, ju not gonna get mi numero mudefucka” wasn’t LITERALLY the very first thing that Ozzie said to Vizquel upon his arrival in Chicago, but I just can’t give Ozzie that much credit. It probably literally was the first thing he said.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Ozzie plays SmartBall. Your argument is invalid.

        /playing out joke

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

        Even though #13 isn’t retired, you can’t have it, Omar. That’s reserved for one of the people here who doesn’t need a number. Instead we are going to put a Hall-of-Famer on the spot, by asking him if you can wear his retired number instead.

        /Reinsdorf’d

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Absolutely, David Stern, I’d be more than happy to cover up Michael Jordan’s secret suspension for an uncontrollable CharlieHustleesque gambling addiction by pretending that he wants to play baseball and stashing him on one of my minor league teams for a year and change even though he sucks at baseball worse than Willy Taveras will soon suck in the future.

          /Reinsdorf’d

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            He’s comparable to Taveras? I want him on this team.

            /Mo’d

  • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

    Take note, Fangraphs. The price per Winn on the free agent market just dropped.

  • pete

    Funny, I don’t feel threatened.

    ….anyone? no? (walks away sadly)

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Funny…she doesn’t look Druish.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    The Yankees today also officially signed Winn to his one year contract for a $1.1 million base with $900,000 available in incentives: $100,000 each for 50, 75 and 100 plate appearances, and $150,000 apiece for 125, 150, 175 and 200.

    Considering that Hinske and Hairston made it to 84 and 76 PA last year despite only being here less than half the year, and that Peña made it to 115 PA, I’ll say that (barring injury), Winn is a lock to get at least 100 PA and get the first 300k in incentive monies.

    After that, when you consider that the CF mix last year was 540 PA for Melky* and 284 PA from Gardner, and that Gardner is the presumptive starter (i.e. Melky) and Winn the presumptive primary Gardner competition and 4th OF (i.e. Gardner), it’s also a near lock that he gets up to the final 4 incentives and gets the remaining 600k.

    Winn’s gonna get every cent of that 2M. Not that that’s a bad thing, mind you.

    ————-

    * Gardner’s 2010 share will likely be slightly smaller than Melky’s 2009, since he won’t be spelling the spry Curtis Granderson in CF the way Melky spelled the “ageless” Johnny Richard Alpert Damon in 2009. But, whatevs.

    • Cecala

      On ESPN they say it is only plate appearances against LHP.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Since he was brought up earlier, here are Jordan’s MiL numbers:

    .202/.289/.266/.556, 3 HR, 17 2B, 30 SB, 18 CS in 497 PA. The IsoD is nice, but everything else is just garbage.

    • Big Juan

      I understand that he wasn’t good, but it’s still incredible that he was able to have what little success that he did. He was 31 and hadn’t played baseball since high school. Crazy.

      • theyankeewarrior

        Ha yeah, I love how the mass majority of people react to MJ’s baseball career as if he finished with 4 infield singles and 2 walks.

        The guy strolled onto a professional team having not played the game in over a decade and hit over .200 with 20+ XBH including 3 HRs.

        Id say that he could have easily dedicated his life to that game (like 95% of professional baseball players have to) and ended up at least making it to the bigs.

        What a terrible baseball player.

        • Big Juan

          I read an article at some point about how impressed everyone in the organization was with his work ethic. They all thought he could have made it if he had put more time in.

  • bexarama

    I feel very nervous with that open threat. O_O

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      I feel fine with the threat; it’s that eye “emoticon” thing you posted that’s freaking me out.

    • bexarama

      Also, did anyone watch Hot Stove on MLB Network tonight? Because my mom is freaking out about how they said Papelbon is “better” than Mariano, only my mom does not understand sabermetrics AT ALL so they probably used some weird stat that she just doesn’t get. If they did call Papelbon better than Mo, though… um…

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Paps did have a higher WPA last year.

        • bexarama

          Ah, okay. Was that what they were using? Cuz yeah, my mom wouldn’t understand that.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            No idea, I’m just guessing.

          • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

            Yup.

            • bexarama

              Your blog is pretty awesome BTW.

              • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

                Thank you. We do what we can. :) I’ve been away from it for a while but thankfully, one of my co-authors made a post recently so that the photobucket error pic isn’t the first thing you see.

              • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

                By the way, I think I’ll use that Plaschke Super Bowl piece you had in the OT thread as my newest post.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          It’s amazing how mych I don’t care.

          I’d still take Mariano over Papelbon in every situation, evry time, in every year of their respective careers.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            My spelling has been atroshus* lately.

            *On purpose

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Ask Red Sox fans who they’d rather have on the mound in the big spot after this year.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Has Mo ever blown a lead of more than 1 run in the postseason?

              • bexarama

                Nope. He’s ridiculous.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Thanks for telling me, I was looking it up but I’m not really sure how to figure it out.

                • bexarama

                  If you haven’t seen this, you definitely should:
                  http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....ivera.html
                  (safe)

                  88 games and he’s given up more than one run TWICE.

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              My favorite non-Yankee moment of the ’09 season was Paps blowing Game Three vs. LAA.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                They were up by four in that game.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Ah…memories.

                • Big Juan

                  I watched that game with a bunch of Red Sox fans. They were all speechless afterwards. It was bliss.

              • bexarama

                It was better when he blew the save against the Mets. THE METS!!!!

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  I’m still not sure that’s actually possible.

                • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

                  Oh when he got all pissy and threw a towel at the photographer from the Post?

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  That was actually a great game.

                • bexarama

                  It was on Mets Classics a few weeks ago and I actually watched it and thoroughly enjoyed it, I must say. The Mets broadcasters insulted Papelbon and it was glorious.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I rank that in the top ficve non-postseason/tiebreaker games of the year.

                  My list:

                  1. Rockies v. Giants, the Spillborghs HR game (no idea if I spelled Spillborgh’s name right)
                  2. Mets/Red Sox, Papelbon blows the save
                  3. Yankees/Red Sox 15 inning classic
                  4. Rays blow 10 run lead to Indians, 6 runs in the ninth
                  5. Tie: Red Sox blow nine run lead to Orioles/Cardinals and Dodgers classic, Pujols walkoff

                  I realize this is AL East heavy, so if I missed anything obvious please say so.

                • JGS

                  pretty sure Mo has never given up a home run to a player as crappy as Omir Santos

                • Jack

                  Mets broadcasters making fun of someone for choking? Those who live in glass houses . . .

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK2Bw1tI_-k (NSFW, language)

                • bexarama

                  They weren’t making fun of him for choking, they were making fun of him having a shitfit when the Mets turned a really nice double play in the bottom of the ninth. It was amazing.

                  I actually like the Mets broadcasters FWIW. (shrug)

                • bexarama

                  http://i43.tinypic.com/242zuzd.jpg
                  (safe)

                  Amazing but you’ve probably all seen it before.

                • JGS

                  but Joba isn’t allowed to show any emotion

          • bexarama

            +42

      • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

        So the stats that say that Red Sox players are better than the Yankees are a-ok but stats like UZR aren’t because it cannot be right to the best center fielder in Jacoby Ellsbury.

        • bexarama

          Jacoby Ellsbury should have won a Gold Glove last year!
          /Harold Reynolds actually said that’d

          I have absolutely no problem saying Papelbon is an elite reliever, almost definitely in the top five in the AL, but when Red Sox fans start saying that he’s equal to or better than Mariano OVER THE COURSE OF THEIR CAREERS, it makes me want to fall to the ground and sob into my hands for days.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            /Harold Reynolds actually said that’d

            Then he tried to hug Hazel Mae.

            • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

              Then Steve Phillips banged the ugliest intern in the building and Peter Gammons drooled. Then everyone wondered what the hell Steve Phillips was even doing there.

              • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew
                • bexarama

                  I hate to say this but if I didn’t know what that photo was, I’d think that the girl was a dude with long hair.

                • Jack

                  I’m not convinced it isn’t.

                • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

                  Looking at her, I honestly believe that Steve Phillips DOES have a sex addiction.

            • Jack
          • Scooter

            Bex – I like Harold – he actually said that? Is he morphing into Joe Morgan?

            Ellbury’s issues with routes (and the impact on UZR) is well-known:
            http://www.nesn.com/2009/10/ja.....e-you.html

            • bexarama

              Yeah, he did.

              I actually kind of like him too, minus the whole “oh hey sexual harassment” thing, but every so often, he’ll say something incredibly dumb and I’ll just facepalm. That’s the case with most of the guys on MLB Network. At least it’s not a constant torrent of stupidity ESPN-style.

              What are you talking about, routes?! He made a really awesome catch that one time, I saw it with my eyes!1!eleventy!

            • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

              I needed to read comments from that article. Reminds me the Yankees aren’t the only team with batshit insane people.

              • JGS

                The vast majority of fans of every team are batshit insane–I’m sure any posts at SNY’s main site are just as nuts as the ones at YES or NESN or any team’s official site.

                makes you appreciate RAB

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    Tea leaf reading time.

    Assume the following: Either
    A.) Marcus Thames makes the 25-man roster out of Spring Training, thus necessitating Jaime Hoffmann being returned to the Dodgers, or
    B.) Jaime Hoffmann makes the 25-man roster out of Spring Training, thus resulting in Thames’s release (as he’d likely try his hand elsewhere or wait for an injury).

    Either way, one makes the 25-man roster and the other is not with the organization.

    This makes our big league roster:

    —————
    Yankees (MLB):
    C- Jorge Posada
    1B- Mark Teixeira
    2B- Robinson Canó
    SS- Derek Jeter
    3B- Alex Rodriguez
    LF- Brett Gardner
    CF- Curtis Granderson
    RF- Nick Swisher
    DH- Nick Johnson
    Bench (4)
    Frankie Cervelli, Ramiro Peña, Randy Winn, Hoffmann/Thames
    Rotation (5)
    CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, Andy Pettitte, Javier Vazquez, Joba Chamberlain
    Bullpen (7)
    Mariano Rivera, Phil Hughes, Damaso Marte, David Robertson, Al Aceves, Chad Gaudin, Sergio Mitre
    —————

    That leaves this as the presumptive Scranton AAA team:

    —————
    Scranton (AAA):
    C- Jesus Montero
    1B- Juan Miranda
    2B- Reegie Corona
    SS- Eduardo Nunez
    3B- Kevin Russo
    LF- Colin Curtis
    CF- Reid Gorecki
    RF- Greg Golson
    DH- Jorge Vazquez (1B)
    Bench (4)
    Mike Rivera, Chris Malec, Jon Weber David Winfree
    Rotation (5)
    Kei Igawa, Zach McAllister, Ivan Nova, Romulo Sanchez, Jason Hirsh
    Bullpen (7)
    Jon Albaladejo, Edwar Ramirez, Mark Melancon, Boone Logan, Royce Ring, Kevin Whelan, Amaury Sanit
    —————

    Everybody thus likely ticketed for Scranton is currently either
    A.) Already on the 40-man (Miranda, Corona, Nuñez, Russo, Golson, Nova, Sanchez, Albaladejo, Ramirez, Melancon, Logan, or
    B.) a STNRI (Montero, Curtis, Gorecki, Rivera, Weber, Winfree, Igawa, McAllister, Hirsh, Ring, Whelan, Sanit)

    … except:

    Chris Malec and Jorge Vazquez.

    Vazquez and Malec are both advanced in age (they turn 28 in March and August, respectively) and neither are great shakes in the field. For an older minor league guy who’s bound for AAA, I’d imagine that not getting an STNRI at this point has to portend poorly for said player’s future with the org.

    Of course, it could just be that they’re both 1B/DH and the team doesn’t want them taking AB’s away from anyone else since they add no defensive value, but still… that’s a bad sign, no? Or am I reading too much into this?

    Whom else were you surprised did or didn’t get a STNRI?

    • pat

      I honestly can’t believe Vazquez didn’t get an invite. That’s mind bottling.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I mean, I’m not bullish on his ability to actually hit major league pitching, but it’s still hard to argue with the .329/.357/.578 line he put up at Trenton last year.

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      I am sooo excited to see what JoVa does in AAA. Dude is a beast.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

      I wouldn’t be surprised if they bring Jestin Romtero over to the big camp to catch a few sessions with some of the Major League boys.

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    It’s so nice having CJ over at Lohud with his knowledge of our farm.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

      I think it’s funny that Pete Abe writes about Sox prospects at the BG.

      • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

        Who believed that they all should be traded for Halladay. Again. Same crap, different team.

    • Scooter

      It may sound silly to say it, but I’m really rooting for Chad. He’s always busted his tail covering Scranton over the years, and he’s done the same with his Yankee blog.

      Need to give PeteAbe his due here – he was a lot more plugged in to the minors than a lot of the Yankee beat writers, and he gave props to Chad and pointed people at the Scranton blog.

      • DP

        Pete as a reporter was great, the problem I had was when his opinion got involved. If he didn’t like a guy, which I got the sense was based on whether or not the guy interviewed with him, he NEVER wrote something positive (see A-Rod.) And vice versa if he did like a guy. To the point, he’d always point out slumps or find underwhelming stats on certain guys (Cano is batting 1-4 when games start at 2:05 EST) He use the same jokes over and over, months after they got old (Angel Berroa is old!) He acted like his opinion was fact and he could often be very condescending.

        /end rant

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          I thought Pete was funny, his reporting was good, he was an excellent writer, but his analysis sucked balls. That’s him in a nutshell.

  • theyankeewarrior

    Anyone want to speculate on what we would have to trade to LAD to keep Hoff around in AAA?

    It seems like the only way to keep both Thames and Hoffman for OF depth is to put Thames on the 25 man and let Hoff develop in AAA.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      I’m with TSJC and thinking it’s gonna be Mitre to the Dodgers for Hoffmann’s rights.

      • Scooter

        Color me a little curious to see what Mitre has in the tank 2 years after TJS

        I’d also like to see if Nova and ZMac show they’re ready to step it up in ST before dealing away starting pitching depth.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Maybe I have an unfair bias but I just HATE Mitre.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      It would probably take an actual ML-ready back end starting pitcher.

      Like, say, Chad Gaudin. Andy floated the Sergio Mitre for Hoffmann idea, and that has value, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Dodgers prefer Hoffmann to Mitre.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

        I said Sergio Meattray.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I apologize for the error. It won’t happen again.

          Sincerely,
          PECOTA

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            I laughed.

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        Considering the financial implications and the McCourts divorce, would they actually prefer the cheaper Meattray?

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona
      • Scooter

        This made my day. Nicely played

      • Alan

        IETCVM

        In fact, I’m still laughing as I write this.

  • bexarama

    You know, I really like Tom Verducci, but he… should not read off cue cards because he’s awful at it.

  • chriskeo

    Has anyone heard anything on Girardi changing his uniform number to #28? I really hope he doesn’t. I think it came up at Granderson’s press conference, but not since then.

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      He’s going to be #28. Why don’t you want him to wear it? We would lose out on YES’s promos that say “He’s got our mission on his back.”

    • JGS

      I hope he doesn’t, but I think he will

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        What’s the big deal? I mean, yeah, eventually(hopefully) it will get old. Maybe he’ll stop changing it when we get up in the 30’s.

        • JGS

          that’s the thing–I think it already has gotten old. It was a nice gimmick for a year, but it just seems rather silly

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    Fuck, Devils.

    Wow, they’re REALLY struggling. Philly isn’t even playing well.

    C’mon, Kovalchuck.

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      We’re the Devils!! The Devils!! HSSSSSSSS

      /Puddy’d

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Lost AGAIN. I’m really amazed they lost this one, they looked in control. When it rains, it pours.

      Ah, well. Hockey’s a streaky game. No worries.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Ah, well. Hockey’s a streaky game. No worries.

        Just can’t predict it.

        Sincerely,
        Theoretical Canadian John Sterling

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          If this were the Theoretical Canadian John Sterling it should have been:

          Just can’t predict it, ay?

          • Jack

            “It’s an eh-bomb! By eh-Rod!”

            /Obligatory’d

      • Januz

        I would be very afraid of Washington, look what they did to my Penguins yesterday. They look like Cup favorites.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          I’ll say again, hockey’s a streaky game. They look good now, but by playoff time everything could change.

  • pat

    The Big Bang Theory?

    This show is fucking horrible.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Really? I’ve heard from everyone else that it’s hilarious. Whatever, though, your word > their word.

      • pat

        Hah, thanks bud. I just don’t find it funny at all. Ok, we get it, the guys are nerds they don’t know how to talk to girls LOL.

    • Big Juan

      The only reason to watch that show:

      http://nextround.net/wp-conten.....aley_2.jpg (probably NSFW)

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

        I read “The Bark” everday with my puppy, Mr. Sniggles, just in case I run into her.

        • Big Juan

          TCWA.

      • Januz

        Watch “Castle” at 10, not only is the best written show on TV, but Stania Katic (Kate Beckett)is the hottest woman on TV (Even beats Sofia Vergara).

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          I now question your taste in women.

          • Big Juan

            Haha. To each his own.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            I now question your taste in women.

            … which, frankly, was the only question I had left. Meaning, I now question everything about you.

        • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

          You show me a man that doesn’t like Sofia Vergara, and I’ll bet that man likes to watch the volleyball scene in “Top Gun” over and over.

  • Mo’s Savant

    I’m doing fantasy baseball for the first time. Any advice on who I should draft first? I’m drafting eighth in my league.

    • Big Juan

      Tex might be available at 8. That’d be a solid pick.

      Just try to fill your middle infield quickly, those positions are really shallow. Starting pitching, the outfield and the corner infield positions have much more depth (especially first base).

      Also, don’t reach for closers. Saves always pop up on the waiver wire.

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      Pujols
      Mauer
      Al
      HanRam
      Utley
      Sandoval
      E-Long
      Prince
      Braun

      Two of them will be on the board at 8.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Also, look for Reyes in the 3rdish round. If he’s still around, I’d snatch him up. He’s going to have a great year and non Mets fans will probably avoid him because of last year.

        • Mo’s Savant

          OK thanks for the advice. How should I approach pitching? Who are the best names to draft?

          • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

            http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....38;month=0

            Look on there.
            Pitchers don’t really start to come off the board until the 5-8th rounds, other than a few big name guys that will get picked up way early.
            It may sound obvious but look for guys that limit the damage by not giving up a lot of HR’s.

          • DP

            Wandy, Ubaldo, Josh Johnson, Hamels are all undervalued/good places to start.

            • Mo’s Savant

              Okay thanks for the advice. Can’t wait until draft day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

    From Curt Schilling’s blog.

    Oh and for what it’s worth noted baseball expert Peter Abraham said that I think the Sox should sign Josh because he ‘tries really hard’. Apologies on my part since I obviously thought that teams only consider a player ‘trying really hard’ when committing 75 or so million, not withstanding his 65-34 regular season record, him basically carrying the team to the 2007 WS title, the fact that he’s only going to be 31, ya Peter my apologies for not having the insight into a players makeup or the teams process like the ‘experts’ over at the Globe.

    This is like watching Bin Laden fight Ahmadinejad.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      And just like that fight, the real losers are us.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Seems like everywhere Pete goes, people figure out rather quickly that he knows nothing about Baseball.

    • billbybob

      I’d say it is more comprable to two really fat people fighting over the last donut on earth.

  • Reggie C.

    My favorite character from CALIFORNICATION just got killed off. Damnit Renee!

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

      I don’t want to spoil anything for you, but Bruce Willis is actually a ghost through the whole thing.

      • DP

        Water is his kryptonite!

  • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Just FYI – They’re about to do a segment on prospects/rookies, including Austin Jackson, on MLB Network.

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      Detroit gave him that nickname? heh

      • pat

        What did they call him?

        • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

          Ajax.

          Reynolds said, “oh I like that nickname,” and the other dude on Hot Stove said, “I didn’t come up with it, the guys in Detroit did.”

          • pat

            Ahh, duh, I misread your comment and thought they gave him another nickname. Yea, Ajax, that’s a new one. We haven’t been calling him that since he was drafted.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Those cocksuckers. I’m the first one to call him that. If I need to, I can go back through the DotF archives and find when I first used it. He must have been playing in Charleston at the time.

            Bastards.

            • DP

              /Bill Simmons’d

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Well, they probably did “come up with it” in Detroit. It’s like the invention of the radio by both Marconi and Tesla: The fans in Detroit probably had no idea we also called him AJax and they coined it themselves.

            The difference is, in New York, we’re naming him after the hero of the Trojan War because we’re erudite and learned. In Detroit, they’re naming him after the bathroom cleanser, because they’re dirty and filthy.

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      Now that he’s not a Yankee, he’s moved into the Top 10 right? Or was he just bumped about by Arodys?

  • Cecala

    Correction with the Winn contract

    “Winn’s $900,000 in performance bonuses are based on plate appearances against left-handed pitchers only. He would get $100,000 each for 50, 75 and 100, and $150,000 apiece for 125, 150, 175 and 200.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4898111

    Makes the deal look even better

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Wow.

      That’s a GIGANTIC difference. Nevermind when I said that he’s going to earn the full 2M. He won’t.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Yeah no kidding. Just 28 players had at least 200 PA vs LHP in 2009, and 16 of them were prominent LHB who were getting LOOGY’d all year.

        • Cecala

          The only problem I see is that when he is versing a RHP it does not count towards his contract. Really creative contract though. Props to Cashman.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            The only problem I see is that when he is versing a RHP it does not count towards his contract.

            He’s not going to intentionally tank RHP plate appearances, though. That’s silly. He knows he needs to perform in all situations or face consequences.

            • Cecala

              Yeah true, I can only think of how publicized this contract would be if Theo signed Winn…

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I’d now be shocked if Winn actually makes more than 1.4M this year. Those four 150k incentives look pretty daunting.

          • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

            Shit, hopefully he does. It would mean he’s absolutely mashing lefties.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Or it would mean that Gardner/Thames/Hoffmann failed to post a non-Varitekian vital line… let’s hope it’s the former.

              • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

                Eh, gotta figure that if Gardner/Thames/Hoffmann fail, someone from the outside will be brought in.

    • Mo

      nice job Cecala, and yes the deal is much much better now

  • pat

    Hey Tommie what do u think of Earl Thomas? Is he more of a system byproduct than McClain? I’d be happy if either were holding up a Giants jersey come April.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      They’re both legit. McClain is more of a sure thing, though, which is why he’s going top 15 and Thomas is in the 15-30 range.

      Either would be a real good selection at #15. If McClain’s still there, though, you HAVE to take him. Have to.

      • pat

        You think McClain has the coverage skills to excel in a Tampa 2? Apparently that’s Fewell specialty.

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    Morosi reports (via Twitter) that the Orioles have signed lefty reliever Will Startup to a minor league contract.

    That’d be a hell of a name for a car battery.

    amirite!!?

  • bexarama

    The way the media has completely turned on Peyton Manning, and how rapidly they did it, is totally annoying.

    • DP

      It’s because he’s what stands in the way of Tawmmy being the #1 QB of this generation.

      • bexarama

        That’s pretty much what I was thinking. Using the “Tom Brady has three rings, Peyton only has one!!!” reasoning is dumb. So is the “____ would have never thrown that pick in that situation!” because you don’t know. Like I said in the SB open thread from last night, it reeks of David Ortiz would never strike out with a guy on third in a one-run game!

        Luis Sojo has five rings, Shane Spencer has three, Alex Rodriguez has one, Ken Griffey Jr. has none, Ted Williams has none. I understand the quarterback is more important to any given football game than pretty much anyone on a baseball team but it’s like they all forgot football is a team sport.

        Brady is an excellent QB but Peyton > Brady.

        • DP

          Welcome to the world of ESPN

          Boston > everything

          • bexarama

            It hasn’t NEARLY been just ESPN. I’d expect it from ESPN and just kind of roll my eyes and move on; the fact that it’s so widespread that’s making me so annoyed about the whole thing.

            • DP

              Oh, I haven’t been paying attention. But when all is said and done, and Peyton obliterates every record and probably wins a 2nd SB, there won’t really be much left to say. I take comfort in that.

            • JGS

              Brady is the underdog 6th round pick who needed Bledsoe to get knocked out to get his chance

              Manning was the #1 overall, son of the Pro Bowl QB. He is supposed to succeed

              Brady = scrappy. All he needs is a gritbeard

  • gfd

    You need to edit “quit” for “quite” in the thread!!

    This is a good signing by Cashman.

  • pistol pete

    Winn will never get the necessary ab’s to qualify for right handed hitting incentives, I doubt Girardi will play him vs leftys. Thames is a far better alternative. If Winn plays vs rightys where does that leave Gardner. Either Gardner or Winn seem to be an extra part. Should have signed Reed Johnson who mashes leftys and can run and field if the Yanks were looking for a platoon for Gardner. Does anyone think this move with Thames makes Gardner expendable. He’s cheap, can run and field, and might garner some interest. Winn has played everyday for years and might be ok in a platoon with Thames. If not, I don’t get the Winn signing. They sure don’t need him to play batting right handed.

    • Big Juan

      The exception:

      Randy Winn 2009 vs LHP as RHB – .158/.184/.200

      The rule:

      Randy Winn career vs LHP as RHB – .280/.332/.426

      Baseball-reference.com is your friend. Go ahead and visit it sometime; there’s a wealth of knowledge on there that would prevent us from having to read comments like this.