Dec
16

Report: Wood, Cubs close to deal

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TTFN, Kerry. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

While Mark Prior has landed with the team first drafted him, so too is Kerry Wood. According to David Kaplan, the Cubs and Wood are closing in on a deal. Terms haven’t been reported yet, but earlier in the evening, Wood was rumored to be seeking a two-year, $12-million deal.

For the Yankees, this move is nothing more than an official seal on Wood’s departure. While the team had been interested in bringing him back to fill out the bullpen, the Yanks wanted him to return for the right price while Wood wanted more than the team was willing to pay a set-up man. Instead, the club will likely turn their attention to Rafael Soriano or Bobby Jenks. Joe will have more on those two in the morning.

Wood’s stay in New York was short but sweet. The Yanks acquired him on July 31 in exchange for Andrew Shive and Matt Cusick, two non-prospect minor leaguers. In 26 innings spanning 24 games, Wood struck out 31 and sported a 0.69 ERA despite walking 6.2 batters per 9 IP. That low ERA was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode, and while his presence will be missed, he is eminently replaceable at a reasonable cost.

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  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    I’d rather NOT waste a draft pick on Soriano. Just sign Jenks please.

    • Sick Nwisher

      Yes, I agree 100%

      • Gonzo

        I gotta imagine Soriano is going to get a better offer than what the Yanks want to give too.

    • Sal

      I would love to have Fuentes and Jenks together.

      • CS Yankee

        I’ve seen Fuentes blow more games than anyone less Rhodes…please NO.

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Lame. Didn’t Jenks get signed by a team already?

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Nope. Tampa and the Yanks are both interested but neither team has signed him yet. There was a rumor earlier that Tampa had, but it was shot down.

      • BigBlueAL

        I cant imagine why Jenks would choose the Yankees over the Rays if going to Tampa would mean closing. 1 year deal with Tampa as their closer could help him make bigger money next season I would assume compared to setting up for the Yankees.

        • ZZ

          It really will depend on the offer. It is hard to tell really how much Tampa has to spend so there may be a significant difference in money.

          • BigBlueAL

            True but how much are the Yankees really willing to offer a pitcher to be a set-up man??

            • candyforstalin

              i’m guessing 2/13m.

              • pete

                god i hope not. plus, wasn’t marte 3/12? And he was better. I doubt they want to go that high an AAV for a setup guy

  • Hughesus Christo

    Soriano would be a joke. That’s a Minaya move.

    • ZZ

      It would be a joke to sign maybe the best Non-Mo Division reliever in baseball?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Who’s a Type-A (which would benefit a division rival who already has a ton of draft picks in this stacked class) and who wouldn’t even close for us.

        • ZZ

          Considering the state of the rotation and the extra money the Yankees now, have no problem parting with a draft pick to have easily the best 8-9 combo in the game over the next 2-3 years.

          The difference in talent and dependability between a guy like Soriano and Jenks makes parting with a draft pick worth it to me. With question marks in the rotation, it would greatly benefit the Yankees to at least have sure things in the bullpen.

          • Avi

            I think people under estimate the value of a dominate set up man way too much. I it makes all the sense in the world to pay one closer’s money (loosing the first rounder doesn’t bother in such a scenario either). They determine the outcome in SO MANY games. Soriano worries me though because he’s an EXTREME fly ball pitcher.

            • ZZ

              They are underestimated because there are so few relievers that are actually any good and actually have the talent to sustain their success.

              • Gonzo

                He’s had two elbow surgeries, will probably command a 3 year commitment, and will only pitch 60-70 innings.

                • candyforstalin

                  plus a 3.81 xfip is not all that reassuring.

                • ZZ

                  So what if he will only pitch 60-70 innings?

                  Yankee fans get too obsessed with outlays of $ per inning evaluations. It can’t be evaluated in the same way as a team where that money allocated is much more crucial because of limited budgets.

                  Where else are you going to spend that money?

                  • Gonzo

                    Spending to the budget is not always a good idea. It’s a very government way of working. Why not make the team good, and see if you can take a good player in a salary dump midseason.

                    • ZZ

                      Could do both. Signing Soriano if even possible wouldn’t soak up the whole budget.

                    • Gonzo

                      So your saying the Yankees don’t have a budget and should sign everyone and trade for all good salary dumps?

                      Co-sign. Except I don’t think that’s the case.

                    • ZZ

                      No.

                      I am saying that signing Soriano does not preclude them from taking on a salary dump. I don’t think the Yankees are looking to take on or it is even remotely realistic that the trade deadline comes around and there are multiple salary dumps the Yankees would take on.

                      Budget flexibility is only good to the extent of realistic spending in the future.

                      The Yankees only have so many holes.

                    • Gonzo

                      Yeah, I don’t see the cost-benefit analysis in favor of signing Soriano for the reasons I stated above. If money weren’t an object though, I would have signed Wood, Soriano, Benoit, and Jenks.

                    • ZZ

                      What is the cost?

                    • Gonzo

                      Huh?

            • Gonzo

              TEH 8TH

            • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

              By and large, the opposite is true. Most of the time, games aren’t close enough to be worried about them, and your best relievers pitch in truly high leverage situations far fewer than you would expect. The difference between the best set-up men available and your next best – and cheaper – option is usually not worth the cost.

              • Gonzo

                Bingo.

              • Avi

                I’d like to research it but to me it seems like there are many high leverage situations for a set up man to pitch in. Anything from a two run deficit to a two run lead in the top of the 8th qualifies as a high leverage situation to me. Where having a Soriano would probably represent a few more wins than say a David Robertson. No?

                • Gonzo

                  It’s been researched for you already. And the answer is shockingly low. It’s shockingly low for a closer the caliber of Mo.

                  • Avi

                    Well closers come in to get three outs with a three run lead. It could be the Setup guys actually play a bigger role in determing the outcome of games across a full season. Many games are decided in the 7th or 8th innings

                    • Gonzo

                      I think WAR calculates for leverage. Just think about it logically. That 8th inning is important and it’s calculated for it, but aren’t innings 1-7?

                    • http://twitter.com/mbonzo31 mbonzo

                      So Mariano Rivera is more valuable as a 7th/8th guy than closer?
                      I understand what you mean about high-leverage baseball, use your best pitcher for the hardest situation… but most of the time the hardest situation is in the 9th. Thats why you get a closer and a setup man so the setup-man can be used in high-leverage.

                • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                  If you go purely by WAR, Soriano wasn’t even worth 1 full win more than Robertson. They did have different roles though.

                  • Avi

                    I’m not familiar with WAR yet but 15 years of intense baseball observance tells me dominant relievers are worth far more than that. Of course I could be wrong.

                    • Gonzo

                      You’re going by suspense. 2 runners on in a tight game in the 4 inning is imporatant too, but as a fan there is so much less suspense in the 4th inning.

                    • whozat

                      15 years of intense baseball observance tells you that it FEELS like dominant relievers are worth far more than that.

                      For every game situation (inning, outs, baserunners), one can look at the tens of thousands of games in baseball history and see what the outcome of the game was. From this, one can see what the odds of winning the game are and calculate a leverage index. Fangraphs calculates this for every out of every game. Essentially, high-leverage situations happen far less often than you think.

              • ZZ

                The problem is that you are evaluating it in a vacuum and not unique to a team like the Yankees where making the playoffs has basically been a formality.

                Reliever importance is overrated but the opposite contingent has taken it too far to the other extreme.

                • Avi

                  I mean i could think of one instance where it would’ve been really nice to have a dominat reliever this past season: Game 3 against TX, Yankees down one run to Lee going into the bottom of the 8th. It would’ve been nice to see the yanks bat against Lee in the 9th with his pitch count around 120.

                  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                    a. We already had a dominant reliever. He just didn’t get used in that situation.

                    b. We were down 2-0, not 1-0.

                    c. This is one of those cases where pitch count just doesn’t matter. Lee was absolutely cruising and I don’t think they would’ve touched him.

                    • Avi

                      You don’t think they would’ve touched him but wouldn’t it have been nice to find out?
                      Mo wasn’t in the game for good reason. 40 years old and had two more upcoming home games in the following days.

                    • Gonzo

                      So basically, you are not going to give up on signing a 2nd closer ever?

              • Eric Young

                My problem with the role of “closer” as it’s developed is that your best reliever always pitches in the 9th of a tight game regardless of the opponent’s lineup in the 8th.

                If the 8th has the 3, 4, 5 & 6 hitters up (assuming a 1.00 WHIP), we send out our second best reliever and save our best reliever for batters 7, 8 & 9.

                If today’s SPs are leaving after 7 with a small lead, shouldn’t we have two closer-quality RPs to lock down these leads and assure the win?

                • Gonzo

                  There’s always an opportunity cost though. Isn’t it best to have a bullpen of closer-quality RP’s instead of just two?

                  • Eric Young

                    :)

                    My thinking is in response to the advent of the 7-inning SP in combination with the advent of the 9th-inning closer. “Don’t mind the gap” should only be said by London commuters, not by MLB GMs.

                    To cover the 50 or so games in which you’re going to the pen in the 8th with a small lead requires just a tandem.

                    • Gonzo

                      Yeah, every GM wants a good “8th inning guy.” At what point do you overpay for one since the really good ones want to close?

                    • Eric Young

                      At the point we’re at now. :)

                    • Gonzo

                      Soriano (albeit in different roles) didn’t have 1 WAR over Dave Robertson. Soriano had 0.2 WAR better than Joba. For that 0.2 upgrade you are willing to hand a RP that’s had two elbow surgeries, a 3 year deal north of $10mm a year?

        • Ted Nelson

          Is blowing leads in the 8th inning really that much better than blowing them in the 9th? I doubt Soriano gets less money than Wood, but one way to compensate for a weaker than expected starting staff is with a dominant bullpen.

  • candyforstalin

    hopefully jenks means no rhodes, feliciano, fuentes.

  • Mr Moss

    Why would anyone sign with the Cubs. Wood and Marmol are gona walk alot of other NL teams to wins

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

      Marmol’s K’s seem to offset the walks. a ~2.5 K/BB ratio is pretty decent.

    • dalelama

      More money, especially someone with Wood’s injury history whose career could end on the next pitch.

  • nsalem

    Ben I agree that Wood’s walk ratio definitely should raise concern,
    but I think the actual results that he did produce will be be very difficult to replace.

    • candyforstalin

      by him especially.

    • Avi

      The actual results he produced will be impossible to replace.

      • nsalem

        In Wood’s case I think a more telling statistic may be how he fared after he walked a batter rather than his actual walk per nine ratio.
        He only gave up two runs as a Yankee one was a HR to Hill in an early
        appearance against the Jays. The other was in a save situation against
        the Sox at the end of the season when he walked three men in an innings work. On the negative side we did see how detrimental his wildness can be in the playoffs. A ballplayers blemishes are often revealed in the bright spotlight of the playoffs.

        • Eric Young

          A ballplayers blemishes are often revealed in the bright spotlight of the playoffs.

          In the bright spotlight of the playoffs, sample sizes appear larger than they are.

  • Dr. O

    That sucks, I was hoping he wouldn’t find the deal he hoped for and would come back at a fair price for another run at a ring. Then again he kind of undid the goodwill he had built with that Texas series, after that stretch from 2003-2008 I have no use for bullpen guys that either falter after the break or implode in the playoffs. Had my fair share of those as a fan….no thanks. I’ll take guys that are up & down and then lights out in October. And of course guys that are lights out by nature.

    • FIPster Doofus

      What was wrong with Wood’s results in the Texas series? Five innings, one run allowed.

      • Dr. O

        Perhaps I’m including a Twins game as well in memory, too many walks for my liking.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          He was a little shaky in the Twins series, I remember that, but he was fine in the Texas series. It helped that Texas let themselves get picked off TWICE.

        • FIPster Doofus

          Wood was definitely shaky despite a 2.25 playoff ERA in eight innings. He walked five and, as bex said, was bailed out by some boneheaded base running by Kinsler and Andrus.

          And despite Wood’s otherworldly results as a Yankee, there was never a time when I felt at ease with him on the mound. He’s just too effing wild. Good luck to him in Chicago, though.

  • mustang

    “Although his 4.44 ERA this season was the worst of his career, he struck out 10.4 batters per nine innings while walking just 2.9 unintentionally. Jenks also had a 58.3% ground ball rate, tenth best among relievers with at 50 IP, and his trademark velocity even crept up late in the season.”

    Very nice take Jenkes over Woods if you’re talking 6 to 7 million a year and Soriano is a bit over the top both in cost and the pick for a set up man. He would probably want to close anyway.

    • DJH

      I would take Jenks over Wood going forward as well, walking batters is not a good trait to begin with but it’s even worse in high leverage situations.

  • AJ

    The Soriano thing is ridiculous. Just because we have the money to spend doesn’t mean we should spend it immediately in reaction to the Cliff Lee disappointment. Losing a draft pick and signing an 8th inning guy with an injury history to a multi-year deal worth $10M plus per year is not a smart move. The Yanks should try to convince Andy to come back and then maintain some payroll flexibility for the season when some teams fall out of contention. Unless Soriano’s asking price falls dramatically I think it would be a huge mistake.

    Oh, and I think Joakim Soria is the 2nd best reliever in baseball next to Mariano. But Soriano’s been great.

    • AJ

      And the Market probably won’t fall too much. Jesse Crain just got a 3 year deal for about $13M. Business is booming.

      • Eric Young

        Business really is booming this offseason…other teams have finally figured out how to make money at this game

        Payroll should be $280M by 2016.

  • AJ

    Give me Joe Beimel!

  • ZZ

    The major problem with the current analysis in baseball in terms of wins and WAR is that all wins to all teams are created equal. But this is just not the case based on the current construction of a team, the division they play, and the level of expectation for an organization.

    If Pettitte comes back without really looking at anything I would estimate they have probably a 90-93 win team. Once you are at that point though and once you look at the Yankee roster there are just so few areas to improve. There are not really any areas where you can really pay “market value” for 2-3 more wins. There are only so many players on the field. And those extra 2-3 wins are crucial in a division like the AL East.

    Once the Yankees lost out on Lee the route they have to take now is probably to overpay for some of those marginal extra ways in a nontraditional way. In the bullpen and on the bench in terms of not just versatile bench players but also good insurance policies. It is worth it to the Yankees at this point to overpay for a set up guy. It is worth it to them to overpay for a big bat like Jim Thome even if there is no clear role for him. You are going to say, man that is a lot for X number of innings or X number of at bats, but it could very well be worth it to the Yankees. They look like they are going to have to go into the season with much more uncertainty than they are used to. It is worth it to guard against more of it propping up over the course of the season even if it means overpaying.

    • Eric Young

      With the exception of the Thome portion of your argument (offense is not our weakness), I’m in agreement. Pickings are close to nil as far as SPs go, so I’d like to see us be aggressive about stocking the pen (if there’s still anyone left by the time I type this).

      If CC or Hughes or whoever hands us a lead in the 6th, 7th or 8th, we simply cannot afford to blow it.

      Two or three BP arms, each with a 1.5 WAR – and an AJ with any WAR above water – gets us to 95 or so. It might be unorthodox or just plain ugly, but it gets us where we need to be.

      • ZZ

        Offense may not be our weakness but that does not mean it can’t be improved upon.

        The Yankees may have led the league in runs scored last year, but there was no denying that there were some serious red flags in dropped production from a number of players.

        We also have no idea how Posada will adjust to DH or if he will stay healthy at his age. Thome could be very valuable.

        • Gonzo

          Would Thome want to sign with a team with no DH need?

          • ZZ

            No way of knowing for sure. But it is something to explore and maybe some extra cash could change his mind.

            • Gonzo

              Like I said above. Sign everyone and take on every salary dump. Co-sign. Except I don’t think it works that way.

              • ZZ

                You are completely misconstruing my point and taking it to the absolute extreme.

                I am advocating overpaying for TWO players. A reliever like Soriano or Jenks and Thome.

                Slightly overpaying in those positions is not going to prevent the Yankees from being able to take on a large contract at the deadline.

                • Gonzo

                  Jenks might be doable, but I think we have differing opinions on what Soriano will sign for. He will probably command a decent AAV ($10mm+) for 3 years.

                  Thome has toyed with retirement. He is not coming to a NY without a position unless it’s a gross overpay.

                  • ZZ

                    Thome has done the opposite of toy with retirement. He said he wants to play for not just 1, but 2 more years.

                    • Gonzo

                      He has toyed with retirement in the past. My point still stands, he is not coming back for 1 year to sit on the bench unless it’s a gross overpay.

                    • ZZ

                      He was a bench player last year that was forced into more playing time as a result of injuries.

                      He can be used creatively to get sufficient at bats in pinch hit spots (for Gardner, Martin, Jeter, Montero) and as a DH. Even as a DH I can’t see Posada playing everyday.

                    • Gonzo

                      Yeah, not gonna happen.

              • ZZ

                There are just not enough viable options or worth the risk of just sitting back and saying lets just maintain salary flexibility as much as possible to take on big contracts.

                Taking on salary dumps is usually not a great strategy because there is always concern involved. The player would not be in a position to be dumped if it was all good and rosy. It is risky.

                So, now you use the extra dollars you have to overpay in nontraditional ways for sure things. But there is just no way you can soak up the entire budget in that way. So at the end of the day you will still have money left to spend.

                Additionally the Yankees always allocate a separate fund of money, like most teams, for midseason acquisitions. There is a separate Opening Day and Post Trade Deadline Budget.

                If you sit back and do nothing and become obsessed with value with this current crop of free agents that money is simply just not going to be spent.

                • Gonzo

                  Yeah, but if the Yanks consider themselves a playoff team (not hard to imagine with what the Rays lost), they don’t need to overpay. They can just make the playoffs without overpaying for marginal wins that willl be meaningless.

                  • ZZ

                    The Rays may have gotten worse, but the Red Sox have improved, the Jays are getting better, and the Orioles may even be better. The division is going to be extremely tough with these teams just beating up on each other.

                    Assuming a playoff spot with the state of the rotation (unless Cashman really can pull of some trade), would be very risky and end up costing the Yankees much more in lost revenue if they assumed wrong.

                    You always want to try to build a team with a cushion. You build a 90-93 win team and your margin for error is not great.

                    • Gonzo

                      So your point is to overpay to get into the playoffs. I don’t think they need to do that. The Jays just traded away Marcum, and I won’t even justify a response to the Orioles.

                    • ZZ

                      Yes. Overpay to get those marginal wins and bring the confidence factor of the Yankees making the playoffs up. Without Lee those extra dollars are there to absorb an overpay and it is worth it because the alternative of not making the playoffs is much, much more costly.

                      The Orioles only won 66 games last year. I think they will do better than that next season with their young players improving with another season under their belt. The Jays may have traded away Lawrie but that does not mean they won’t be competitive. They have strong pitching and some nice young players.

                      The division is going to be very tough next season.

                    • ZZ

                      The Orioles were a .500 ballclub Post ASB. The Yankees were actually only two games better than the Orioles Post ASB.

                      They won’t contend for the division, but they will be improved next season.

                    • Gonzo

                      Ok, we disagree. I think the Yanks are good enough to make the playoffs with minor tweaks.

        • whozat

          yeah, but roster spots are still limited. who are you taking off the roster to get Thome on?

          • ZZ

            Bench: 1 OF, 1 UIF, Thome

            • ZZ

              Hit submit too soon. 1 C also.

              • whozat

                That only works if you have exactly the right 4th OFer and UT guy. You HAVE to get the hairston brothers, because otherwise you’re missing one of: a righty bat on the bench that can hit tolerably, a backup SS, or an infielder that can handle the bat a little bit. And with the ages of Jeter and ARod, I really think you want two UTIFs. Maybe if you think Martin can play third a bit, it can work out.

      • Gonzo

        Soriano and Jenks are the only FA RP’s with a WAR at or above 1.5 last year.

        • Eric Young

          Wood, too – at least during his stint with us.

          Personally, I’d like Soriano (as a potential heir-apparent) and either Wood or Jenks, but any two of the three fills the gap for me.

          • Gonzo

            Wood isn’t a 1.5 WAR reliever, and is close to signing with the Cubs.

            I said it above.
            http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....nt-1422095

            • Eric Young

              Gonzon, you said:Soriano (albeit in different roles) didn’t have 1 WAR over Dave Robertson. Soriano had 0.2 WAR better than Joba.

              Wood was 1.6 during his NYY stint, which is what I said.

              Soriano was 1.8 two years ago and 2.6 this year.

              Chamberlain was 0.4 this year; Robertson was 1.0. How do you arrive at your numbers?

              http://www.baseball-reference......hing.shtml

              And, yes, Wood and Jenks have been reported to be close to signing elsewhere today…but neither is confirmed as being signed now.

              • bexarama

                You are probably using different WARs

                • Eric Young

                  Thank God. I was afraid I was using different subtraction.

                • Eric Young

                  I’m old-fashioned.

              • Gonzo

                I use fWAR. I find it more reliable and a better assesment of RP’s and other players as well. It’s also backed by KLaw.

                bWAR can vary a tremedous amount year by year for RP’s. Even is you use bWAR, it shows how volitile ,and therefore, less valuable RP’s are.

                • bexarama

                  Honestly, I think for pitching, bWAR is more useful, just because FG uses just FIP which has its issues. Example: Joba’s first half was just pretty terrible, no matter how nice his peripherals were. Likewise, Dice-K’s innings of a sub-3 ERA in 2008 were pretty valuable, no matter how unsustainable his K/BB and how low his BABIP.

                  I like FIP for more projection-type stuff, though it’s certainly not gospel in that regard.

                  • Gonzo

                    FIP is a determination of how well someone pitched. I hate to get all KLaw on you, but FIP is telling how good someone was.

                    I feel like KLaw kills someone on twitter every week over this same subject.

                    • ZZ

                      Well FIP doesn’t measure how well someone pitched. It is a tool and part of the determination of how well someone pitched.

                      It tells you how well someone performed at the things that FIP measures, but at some point aggregate runs do matter when talking about how well someone pitched.

                    • Gonzo

                      This is a discussion that has been hashed out like 80 times on KLaw’s (and other’s) twitter feed. I won’t get into it, but basically FIP is how well someone pitched.

    • whozat

      I’m pretty positive that many analysts I’ve read fully acknowledge that the dollar value of a win changes based on where a team is on the “win curve,” so to speak. Everyone know that the marginal value of a win is higher to contending teams than non-contending teams.

      • Gonzo

        You’re ruining his narrative.

      • ZZ

        I have seen it acknowledged in the theoretical sense.

        But then somehow once a player is signed for an overpay, suddenly the theory is thrown out the window and numerous articles are written about how much of an overpay it is and it is not worth it. Even in regard to Mariano Rivera.

        Unless the theory is put to use practically when these things actually happen it doesn’t hold water.

        • bexarama

          Funnily enough I think Dave Cameron said that of all the relievers that have signed three-year deals as long as Fangraphs has data for, Mo’s the only one that was “worth” his deal (and I am not really a fan of FG’s dollar value, either). I think FG WAR tends to underrate Mo a little, too.

          • Gonzo

            Mariano has a higher bWAR than Andy Pettitte, Jorge Posada, Jamie Moyer, etc…. That totally kills it for me.

            • bexarama

              Yeah, I think bWAR tends to overrate relief pitchers and fWAR underrates them (especially Mo, who has low BABIPs because he is fucking awesome and not because he particularly gets lucky). There isn’t really a happy medium to me, and it’s just a gut thing so maybe I’m talking out of my behind.

              The Pettitte/Mo thing in bWAR kinda blows my mind TBH.

              • Gonzo

                He has a higher bWAR than Fredd McGriff! A guy that hit 493 HR’s!

                I think Mo is valued properly in fWAR because for all his awesomeness, he ONLY comes in when the game is heavily in FAVOR of the Yankees.

                Read this article:
                http://joeposnanski.blogspot.c......html#more

                • Eric Young

                  Personally, I thought that was one of the more valuable articles I had read in a long while.

                • bexarama

                  I’ve read it, it’s very good.

    • pete

      The problem with stocking the pen is that it guarantees you absolutely nothing. That’s why it’s not worth the money. You wind up with people like Damaso Marte, Latroy Hawkins, Kyle Farnsworth, Sidney Ponson, Ron Villone, Scott Erickson, Tanyon Sturtze, Steve Karsay, Michael Meyers, Felix Heredia, and the likes.

  • miketotheg

    wait. hold the phone. he’s looking for 6 million a year so he’s off the radar? that’s not too much for a set up guy / back up closer. why not give him the money? didn’t we have a 21 mil cushion now? how much is marte making for rehabbing / multiple surguries? screw that. don’t boston games always become bullpen wars?

    I say pay the guy. just pay the guy. and lock up the bench.

  • Monteroisdinero

    I have read through this thread and am with ZZ on the subject of Soriano. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is how Mariano will be increasingly unavailable in back to back close games. Yanks are in a tough division and “sharing” the closer role when one guy is 41 is not unrealistic Not on board for Joba to close when Mariano can’t go.

  • Another Bronx Dynasty

    Cash don’t let Theo beat you again -http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5913523

  • kosmo

    Yanks should consider signing Fuentes .He can close on occasion .Is great against both lefties and righties .He is a solid LHRP.
    They now have a little change to throw at him.Do it !

  • The Real JobaWockeeZ

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....on-tender/

    I’d rather get Soriano-lite that wouldn’t cost a draft pick. Another LOOGY after that would be nice. Go Kevin Towers and stack up the bullpen.

  • pete

    Just say no to soriano.

  • Wil Nieves #1 Fan

    I’ll give up a draft pick and 10 million per year for Soriano if Girardi promises to never use Joba in the 8th ever again.

  • OldYanksFan

    While there are some ‘good deals’ on the FA market (mostly older, one dimensional OF/DH/1B types), in general, because FAs go to the highest bidder, teams often overpay… in terms of real value, as opposed to market value.

    Years ago, it was said ARod ‘might’ get $20m/yr. Then, one crazy, desparate owner… just ONE… changes the entire market place by offering $25m. I mean just 2 months ago, did ANYONE think Crawford was worth anywhere near 7/$142m???

    Conversely in the summer, when teams are in trouble and need to shed payroll, often players are actually underpriced. We got a ’25 million dollar’ ARod for $17m. If we dumped AJ, how much of his salary would we eat?

    And I believe Cashman feels the same way. If you are only playing for THIS YEAR, then maybe you have to buy now. But looking at a 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 year window, waiting seems to be more prudent.

    When Cashman said ‘PATIENCE’, I think he was thinking clearly.
    I think our current OF… Swisher, Granderson and Gritner tell a story. Excellent trades… undervalued younger, athletic players… and homegrown talent. While these 3 aren’t our best players, they offer by far, the best WAR per dollar.

    So I 100% agree with Cashman. PATIENCE. The season doesn’t end in January, or April, or even July.

    P.S. I’m really glad we didn’t ‘steal’ Cliff Lee for 7/$160m.

  • Cy Pettitte

    I don’t wanna lose my Wood

    this sucks

  • Mike HC

    I would pay Soriano and forget Jenks. With the way our starting rotation is going to look, there are going to be plenty of innings and situations where the bullpen will earn their money.

  • Brandon

    I am seriously hoping this is all just a smoke screen and the fat lady hasn’t sung yet. I want Kerry Wood back, desperately!

    During Pedro’s stay with the Mets, he was brutally over worked by Manuel. Given our history with overworked relievers, I dont even touch Feliciano with a 10 foot poll. I saw way too many good relievers one year ruined the next because of overworked under Torre. I dont want to get the worst of the reliever without getting the best of him also. Overworking relievers leads to injuries or poor results. I dont want to have to deal with that next year.

    I would have getting Kerry Wood back at option a, b, c and d with Brian Fuentes as option e.