Jul
29

Scott Boras chimes in on Cano’s free agency

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Robinson Cano‘s impending free agency — after next season once his no-brainer $15M option is exercised — is the most significant roster issue facing the Yankees in the kinda sorta immediate future by no small margin. He’s indisputably their best player and one of the very best in baseball, a homegrown superstar with roots in the Tri-State Area and legitimate marquee value. At 29 years old, Robbie’s an indispensable piece of the puzzle.

Brian Cashman has already indicated a willingness to break the team’s somewhat outdated “don’t re-sign a player until their current deal expires” policy to extend Cano this offseason. They’ve already done it once to sign him to a long-term deal and if they’re going to do it again, this is the guy to do it with. Robinson hired Scott Boras before last season and players don’t do that so close to free agency unless they’re looking for the biggest and best deal possible. This has contract bloodbath potential.

Joel Sherman spoke to Boras about Cano’s impending free agency as well as the team’s plan to get under the luxury tax threshold by 2014, a rather significant consideration in this whole mess. I’m going to block-quote the important stuff…

“I had a meeting with Hal [Steinbrenner] and Randy [Levine, Yankees president] at the owners meetings [in May], and I certainly did not get any indication from them that there will be any dramatic changes in how the Yankees do business,” Boras said by phone.

And Boras did not sound like he would have much sympathy for the Yankees trying to go frugal. He cited Yankees “revenues triple most major league teams.” But, mainly, he invoked the “George Steinbrenner legacy” of building the brand, a TV network and revenues by enlisting and keeping stars — no matter the cost.

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Of course, Boras will shoot higher. He would not tell me how much, but he did say this: “When you go to sign great players and you know you are going to get six or years more of greatness, you have to spend by paying more years. You may pay over 10 years for the privilege of having the great seven. That is how it goes with big franchises and acquisitions. And the Yankees under George were one of the first teams to do that.”

Sherman also hears from “a friend (of Cano’s)” that Robinson felt underpaid on his current contract, a four-year, $30M deal that will ultimately pay him $59M across six years thanks to the two club options tacked on the end. Hiring Boras was basically his way to rectify that, to get every last penny when he hits free agency. Cano is open to signing with the Yankees long-term after this season though, saying: “Why not hear what they have to say … I am always open to hearing anything. If it works for both sides, that is great. But I have to hear an offer.”

Barring some kind of devastating injury or drastic decline in performance over the next 14 months, Cano is poised to obliterate every second base contract record, specifically Ian Kinsler’s $15M annual salary and Chase Utley’s $85M total package. Heck, he might double Utley’s contract value on the open market. Last season I suggested a six-year, $120M-ish contract (covering 2012-2017 and his age 29-34 seasons) could work for both sides but that ship seems to have sailed. Boras is hinting at ten-year contracts like he does for every elite free agent, meaning he probably has his sights set on something like Matt Kemp’s eight-year, $160M deal with the Dodgers.

I’m firmly in the “let Cano walk” camp if the contract demands remain exorbitant, which they surely will given Boras’ track record. Middle infielders tend to age poorly into their early-to-mid-30s and Robbie’s offensive value is based on his ability to make contact. When that starts to go, it can go in a hurry. Ask Ichiro Suzuki. If the Yankees are serious about being smarter and more efficient with their spending — the 2014 payroll plan suggests they are — then at some point they have to stop signing players to monster contracts through their decline years. The Cardinals are doing just fine without Albert Pujols and the Rays don’t miss Carl Crawford. The Yankees will survive if they part ways with Cano next offseason.

Categories : Players
  • The Real Greg

    The problem is that id Cano leaves, we will have to get a competetant replacement quickly.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      14 months to plan for it.

      • Stan the Man

        There is no replacing Cano, so the Yanks should sign him long term whether it is this offseason or next.

        • squeege

          You don’t have to replace him at 2nd, you can get a slightly above average direct replacement and upgrade in other ways to outfield, pitching staff, etc. with money saved. 20+ million a year can be used to improve a lot of the team.

          • Carl LaFong

            The winning strategy; couldn’t agree more. Offer him a five to six year extension this offseason for around 100-120M tops. If he insists on more & he’s inflexible, they should deal him this winter, move Cojo or Adams up to play 2b, & rebuild the club.

      • Josh

        2nd Basemen with his kind of offensive productivity don’t come around very often. He is extremely valuable. Pay the man.

        • Jose M. Vazquez..

          I agree Josh. To paraphrase the immortal Yogi Berra, Cano is the type of player that even when he’s bad, he’s good. He has six or seven good years left in him.

          • Paul VuvuZuvella

            But, according to Boras you will need to pay him for 10 years to get those 6 (and those 6 good years are not guaranteed to be good.)

            • BrooklynRats

              10 years is a brutal contract…

              • Havok9120

                Another brutal contract.

      • NATRAY

        CANO IS A GREAT BALLPLAYER….BUT WHEN HE HITS A BALL TO THE INFIELD, HE GIVES UP RUNNING,,, DOESN’T HE REALIZE AN ERROR CAN BE MADE,…OR MAYBE HE CAN BEAT THE THROW. LOOK AT JETER, IBANEZ [MUCH OLDER ]. HE DOESN’T DO IT ONCE..HE ALWAYS DOES IT.
        BECAUSE OF THIS , I WOULD HESITATE TO PUT IN THE HALL OF FAME.

    • Brian S.

      Corban Joseph mashes righties. And could do so next year. David Adams, Jayson Nix, Eduardo Nunez can hit lefites. There is your answer.

    • rogue

      Or the Yankees can rebuild and climb out of their financial morass. Then they can begin anew. Sort of what they did in the early-mid 1990s.

      Paying $25mil/7-8yrs for a player’s decline years is dumb. Cano will be 31 in the first year of a new contract.

      As for Cano? He hooked up with Boras. Screw him.

      • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too)

        What was the attendance at YS like in the early 90′s.
        Rebuilding to that extent would be a much bigger financial hit on the Yankees than any realistic contract Cano could get ever would be.
        And what financial morass? By all accounts I’ve seen, Yankee Global Enterprises is doing just fine.

        • TomH

          (1) I agree: Yankee attendance and revenues turn tremendously, as Boras knows, on the star power of their lineup and their annual competitiveness for post-season play.

          (2) As for Yankee Global Enterprises “doing just fine”: I don’t know about that. I mean just do not know. Where does one find out exactly how they are doing?

      • Laz

        The Yankees do not need to rebuild. They can let cano go if his contract gets to big, but they are not a club that needs to rebuild.

        • Carl LaFong

          I disagree. The foundation of the club has gotten old. Not counting Rivera or Pettitte who may or may not be back next year, Jeter is probably on his last Yankee contract which expires at the end of ’13, A-Rod is in decline, & his last years here could begin to remind people of Mantle’s last four years, Swisher probably won’t be resigned this winter, Granderson is at his peak right now, but he’ll be 32 in the spring, & Texeira is a nice piece but he appears to have peaked & is already declining as well. I don’t even want to think about what happens if Sabathia breaks down early in his deal.

          If it’s not cost effective to resign Robbie, it’s time to rebuild. There’s a lot of talent in the system, & w/a smart blueprint, wise deals, patience, & a little luck, the club could be turned over pretty quickly AND still remain successful without missing much of a beat. Either way, I think it would be really exciting to see a lot of that minor league talent either arrive in the Bronx or see what it can bring back in deals w/other clubs.

          Hughes, Nova, & Phelps notwithstanding, if some of the other minor league starting pitchers could step up & start to make a significant impact on the club in the next 2 -3 years, the rebuild would put mucho fannies in the seats.

    • Drew

      Jeter can move to second. Get another FA shorstop

  • jjyank

    I mentioned this in the open thread, but I’ll paraphrase myself here: Cano is my favorite player. He replaced Bernie in my heart, and I have completely irrational blinders on for Cano. I’m okay with the Kemp deal for Robbie.

    I could be wrong, it could handicap the team in the future. But I don’t really care. Stay here Robbie!

    • Domenick

      Couldn’t agree more! Cano forever a yankee

      • rogue

        Like I said, he’s a Boras client. Screw him. He knew what he was getting into when he left Barad for Boras.

    • Jacob

      Same Cano is also my favorite love the guy

    • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

      I also have the irrational blinders on with Cano, and I hats admitting that I’m not objective.

      I just hare the idea that we’re not going to keep Cano because (let’s admit it) of the mistake that was made with A-Rod.

      If Cano walks, someone tell me who is hitting in the middle of the order besides Tex in 2014.

      • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

        Apparently my autocorrect dislikes the word, “hate”

      • Ted Nelson

        You can also look at it that if they don’t keep Cano it is so that they don’t repeat that mistake.

    • OldYanksFan

      So ARod’s contract doesn’t bother you?
      Yankee fans turn on a player as soon as he stops performing.
      Jeter, after a 2010, 2011.
      Posada, his last year.
      We love our guys, no doubt.
      But we love winning MORE.
      Having the TEAM win, is more important then having one specific player on it.

      It Cano could take walks, and his OBP was 80 pts higher then his BA, I might consider a long term contract. But as soon as his batspeed/eye declines a bit, we will have a .330 OBP guy.

      I love Robbie, but our team must be run intelligently. We still have losing contracts on ARod, Teix and CC. We can’t afford another (even though Robbie’s ‘projected decline’ will probably be after those three).

      Having a few FA’s or high priced, howgrown studs is important. For teams who are trying to Win the PS once or twice in a decade, the FA formula works. But even with their money, if the Yankees want to be perpetual PS players, they are going to need to stock the team from the farm, and suppliment it from FA.

      If Robbie gets 8/$160, he will need to produce 36 WAR over that time. That’s a tall order for a 31 yr old 2nd baseman.

  • IE

    In that vein, if David Adams really has put his ankle problem behind him, could the Yankees expect at least league average production from him in 2014 – when he would be 27 years old?

  • Bubba

    Love Robbie, but 10 years? Buh-bye now.

    • Stan the Man

      I am not sure why this is a question…Robbie Cano is the teams best player, you sign and you sign him for 20 yrs if that is what it wlll take. You don’t let your best player walk especially when he is still smack in the middle of his prime years.

      • Get Phelps Up

        See Rodriguez, Alex.

        • Jacob

          while there are many comparisons there are many more differences.

        • OldYanksFan

          See Pujols, Albert.

      • Evan3457

        At the end of next year, Cano will be 31, and he will have left his prime years behind. If you sign him for more than 5 years, with team options added on, you’re begging for disaster down the road.

        • Brian S.

          Yup.

        • rogue

          Amen, brother!

      • Bubba

        How are you enjoying the Alex Rodriguez Experience? Do you think it will get more enjoyable as the years move on?

        The first two, three, maybe even four years of Robbie in another uniform will hurt… alot. But the eight, seven or six years following would hurt a whole lot more.

        There is a new paradigm in baseball that severely punishes overspending. In the past the Yankees could buy their way out of a mistake. Now they can’t. Unfortunately, for Robbie and the Yankees:

        No contract >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A bad contract

      • Rey22

        Thank god you’re not the Yankees GM.

        • Steve

          The win at all costs model is dead. It is not sustainable in today’s MLB economy. If you’re gonna have premium FA’s at 5-6 positions as NYY does then you’re also gonna have to put 2-3 low cost players on the field and in the rotation.

          Unfortunately the Yankees are already locked in to long term commits at several positions and have less flexibility than most teams in MLB with possible exception of PHL.

          What I love about the Yankees is they have been able to keep this team together for so long despite free agency and MLB parity. I have enjoyed rooting for the same guys for so long. Just like when I was a kid Mantle Maris Howard Berra Skowron Richardson Kubek Boyer Blanchard and Ford.

          Thx Yankees for staying true to baseball the sport, for putting the best team on the field year in and year out.

          If you are looking to blame someone for the Yankees potentially losing Grandy and Cano, look at MLB – not Brian Cashman or the NYY organization.

          • OldYanksFan

            Sad but very true.
            I can remember getting excellent pizza, 2 slices and a large Coke, for 65 cents.
            Ahhhhhhhhhhhh…. the good ole days.

            • Carl LaFong

              Two slices and a large orange, 15 cents apiece, 45 cents total, & the M&M boys, & Whitey on the hill pitching to Howard, Blanchard, & Yogi, & JFK in the white house & on TV all the time w/those serious but at times funny press conferences of his. Almost like another world altogether.

      • Bunt Gardner

        Hank?

        • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too)

          I laughed.

  • LarryM.,Fl.

    Mike, I agree but would hate to see him go. 6 years@ 150Mil will give Robbie something to think about. Who knows what the contract will be?

  • Diony

    CoJo and Adams until they find one via trade or FA.

  • JonS

    Would Kemp’s 8/160 work for you Mike? Or at that point do you let him walk?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      No, that’s entirely too much. Even six years is really pushing it.

    • OldYanksFan

      Kemp is signed thru age 35.
      That would be 4, maybe 5 years for Robbie.
      That’s assuming a 2nd baseman holds up as well as an OFer.

  • Andrew Brotherton

    I think you offer him a 6yr 125 to 130 million contract, which would still make him one of the highest paid players in the game and if he doesn’t take it and they insist on a 8 to 10 yr deal you trade him. If you could get Tailon or Cole and Josh Bell and a Mcpherson or Sanchez from the Pirates you take it and send him packing.

    • JohnnyC

      He’s not Josh Hamilton or even Mike Trout. Good as he is, he’s not gonna get you a mega-package of prospects. Trade value will have to factor into whether or not to capitulate and sign him to a long-term, expensive deal. Name a team that would give you 2 or 3 Top 100 prospects for Cano.

      • FIPster Doofus

        He’s better than Hamilton.

        • Evan3457

          Healthier, more consistent, perhaps, but not better.

          • Get Phelps Up

            He’s been better this year: .393 wOBA, 147 wRC+, 4.7 fWAR compared to .382 wOBA, 137 wRC+, and 3.1 fWAR.

        • JohnnyC

          Do you watch much baseball?

          • FIPster Doofus

            Look at the numbers, the durability, the lack of baggage that comes with Cano compared to Hamilton.

            • FIPster Doofus

              Just to add to this, Cano has been worth 21 fWAR since 2009. Hamilton has been worth just over 17. With the exception of an anomalous 2010 offensively, Hamilton has been in the 130-140 wRC+ range over the last handful of seasons. So has Cano. One does it as a second baseman, one does it as an outfielder. And again, one has far less injury risk and baggage than the other.

      • squeege

        Half the teams in baseball!? Are you delusional. Cano right now brings back more in a trade them Hamilton when you factor in talents, ages and injuries.

        • FIPster Doofus

          You’re talking sense, but look out – that guy might accuse you of not watching baseball.

      • Matt

        i say name a team that WOULDNT give you two or three top prospects. Geez, the Angels just gave up their best prospect for a rental. Plus, Cano is an elite player in all of MLB and by far the best at his postion which also happens to be the most difficult position to find a player with Cano’s skill set. Then you throw in the fact that he has NEVER been injured (cough, cough Josh Hamilton) and plays literally 160 games a year. If Robinson Cano can’t net the Yankees at least 2 or 3 top prospects than I don’t know who can.

        • Adayoff

          Interesting comparison is Mark Teixeira, another Scott Boras client. My point being that being a Boras client depresses one’s trade value.

          This from Wiki

          In July 2007, two weeks after turning down an eight-year, $140 million contract extension from the Rangers, Teixeira was traded to the Atlanta Braves (along with left-handed reliever Ron Mahay) for catcher/first baseman Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and four prospects: shortstop Elvis Andrus, and starting pitchers Matt Harrison, Neftali Feliz and Beau Jones.

          In July 2008, Teixeira was traded to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim for Casey Kotchman and minor league pitcher Stephen Marek.

          • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too)

            ?
            Boras was his agent during that whole period, I believe. Being a half year rental instead of having one and a half years of control is what depressed his trade value.

        • Preston

          I actually think it would be hard to find a fit for Cano. Yes most teams would want him. I wouldn’t trade him to an AL team, the backlash would be to much. And of NL teams I don’t thin a team far from competing is going to give up prospects for a one year rental. The Braves and Reds are set at 2b, the Dbacks and Marlins are looking to trade their expensive stars. The Dodgers make the most sense, maybe the Nationals, Pirates and Giants.
          The Dodgers could put a nice package together around Lee, or the Nationals around Rendon if his health checks out. I find it hard to believe that the Pirates would trade Cole or Taillion and I don’t like Marte or Bell enough to unload Cano. The Giants system is pretty barren.
          If we traded Gardner and Cano for a 2b and some pieces to flip as part of a package for Upton, and re-sign Swisher. Hope maybe Romine could upgrade our C offense. We might field a comprable offensive team in 2013 and be more financially flexible going forward.

        • Brian S.

          Indeed.

  • Countryclub

    Yeah, 7 yrs total(including 2013). Any more than that and I let him walk. I think cano has 3 or 4 great/very good yrs left. No way Yanks should pay for 6 or 7 yrs of decline.

    However, this is a type of situation where ownership could overrule Cashman. They just might not want to let him go for marketing and fan perception purposes.

  • Theonewhoknocks

    Im also in the let him walk camp, I’ve always thought it would take $150-200m to keep him. I do think unfortunately the yanks will keep him at a very steep price, and I think we will be kicking ourselves in as soon as 2-3 years.
    If the yanks were operating under the old $210-225m budget I’d be fine overpaying for cano but $189 is already a tight budget with the guys we have on the books and guys like cano historically don’t age gracefully.

  • Mikeymikeee

    There is just no way you can let Cano walk. This guy is as durable as they get. You take your chances with a lucrative contract on a homegrown super star 2nd baseman no doubt…

  • viridiana

    Boras will suck every last ounce of blood out of Yanks on this one. Essentiallt need to plan on letting Cano go. Other ways to build team. Yanks could be very aggressive and active in offseason trade market.
    One reason to sign Swisher– takes away some of the leverage Grandy and Cano will hold next year. If Yanks at least have Swish they can manage by just signing one of the other two, depending on who is more reasonable. I would be talking to Swish right now to see if he’s amenable to extension.

  • Jacob

    Cano is also my favorite player and I would pay him whatever he wants I would be devastated if he left.

  • Jacob

    I say they go 6 years with 2 or 3 options either vesting team or mutual, with performance based incentives(were they removed in the new CBA?)

    • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too)

      Milestone bonuses (such as ARod’s HR bonuses) were removed. Strictly performance bonuses were never allowed. Only award bonuses and playing time based bonuses are allowed now.

      • Jacob

        oh alright that was what I ws thinking they could put in

  • Rey22

    Absolutely love Cano, but insane doesn’t even begin to describe a 10 year deal. I’d go 7 max, and that’s already 2 more than I would be comfortable with.

    This will not end well.

  • Preston

    Robinson Cano is the one player I think our lineup can’t afford to lose. If we let him walk we’d have to really hope that Teixeira’s second half is more indicative of what he’s going to do going forward, but I’m beyond believing that A-Rod is going to be a middle of the order force, or that he can be counted on for a full season.
    If we downgraded offensively at 2b we have limited places where we can make up the production. We’d need a clear upgrade at a corner OF spot, catcher, DH or SS if/when Jeter hangs them up. That would be hard to do. If we acquired Justin Upton this off-season, that might give us the kind of young offensive piece that could replace Cano. But right now he’s like a 2007 Cano, an elite talent who hasn’t quite gotten there yet.
    I would be willing to offer him a 6 year 132 million dollar contract this off-season. Even with all of Bora’s bluster that’s a hard offer to turn down. It puts 7 million dollars more in his pocket for 2013, and gives him the longest and highest AAV for a 2b, by a wide margin. A year older though I would definitely be wary of offering him Matt Kemp type money. Even if it made it hard for us to compete in 2014, it would probably make us better going forward.

  • Brian S.

    LOL at Cano feeling underpaid. He was replacement level in 2008, if he didn’t take that year off then maybe the Yankees make the playoffs. If he wants ten years I hope we trade him this offseason for two top 50 prospects and another prospect with upside. Sort of like what the Padres got for Gonzalez.

    • Jacob

      Get out of here

      • Brian S.

        Fuck no. Cano is my favorite player but this is just silly. If Chase Utley, who was better than Cano at the time he got his extension, gets five years then Cano can go rip some other team off.

        • Jacob

          Not a ripoff he has been worth more than Alex, all sports stars are overpaid.

          • Brian S.

            Worth more than Alex isn’t an accomplishment. A-Rods contract is one of the biggest ripoffs in baseball.

          • PJ

            He has not been worth more than A-Rod was at the point when A-Rod signed his deal. Not even CLOSE.

            • Brian S.

              Also true. A-Rod was almost a 10 WAR player at age 32. Cano hasn’t even come close to that.

              • Jacob

                he had 8 in 2010 and WAR does not mean much when it comes to the statistical community he has been worth more than Alex has since he signed the deal

              • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

                You can’t use A-Rod as a comparison for anything good or bad.His 2007 season stats were compiled on HGH whether we want to admit it freely to Yankee-haters or not. The contract he got after that was based on a mirage. He was a 35/120 guy in his prime legitimately. Not a “54/150″ guy. That’s not real.

                I just wish the $30M/yr was also shrunk to what it really should be. We’re not “overlaying” A-Rod. A-Rod is outright stealing from the organizational coffers.

                • Brian S.

                  A-Rod was on HGH? HGH made A-Rod hit 20 more home runs? What a revelation this is!

                • Preston

                  A-Rod was always better than Cano, and it was not a mirage. Even with the last few years of his decline, his career wRC+ is 147, Cano is having the best season of his career at a wRC+ of 147. Alex had five seasons over 160, including his insane 178, in 2007. Since this is adjusted for league averages, it’s taking it into account that players put up better offensive numbers in the steroid era. Plus this is just talking about offense because A-Rod was just as valuable, if not more, on D as Cano, and a markedly better base-runner. Giving a ten year deal to a 31 or 32 YO is crazy. Even when they are as good as Alex or Cano.

  • Jack Cross

    Let him walk. The Yankees have too many bloated contracts as it is. Let Boras get him all the money he can, just not from the Yanks.

  • Brian S.

    Everyone look at Chase Utley. He was arguably the best player in baseball when he got his FIVE YEAR extension. He was better than Cano is now. He got hurt when he was 31 and has not been the same since. Trade Cano.

    • gc

      Everyone look at Jeff Kent. Maybe it turns out that way as well. To say that because most second basemen show production declines after a certain age doesn’t mean that all second basemen will. And to bring up a great player who wound up getting injured makes little sense to me. Lots of great players get injured. But any team would look at a guy like Cano as someone who has been pretty durable in his career. You don’t NOT sign a player like that because you’re afraid he might get injured.

      Also, Mike, Ichciro’s ability to make contact lasted until he was 36-37 years old. If Cano can maintain that kind of contact ability and do so as a Yankee, I don’t see why he can’t still be very productive. Especially in this ballpark. Point is, this is what happens with great players and teams have to decide upon the proper risk. I’m not in any camp whatsoever at this time. I understand the arguments on both sides, but a lot can happen between now and the time they make the call.

      • Brian S.

        Cano reminds me of Vladimir Guerrero. Vladdy stayed an elite hitter through the age of 32, was a really good hitter at 33, then became an average hitter at age 34. At 36 he was replacement level. If anyone here thinks that Cano is going to be a 4-5 win hitter until his late thirties than I have a bridge to sell you.

        • jjyank

          So because Vlad dropped off at a certain age, Cano will follow the exact same trajectory? And you want to sell me the bridge?

          I’m not saying that Cano will be elite until he’s 38. But similarly, you can’t say that he won’t. Every player ages differently. And if Cano can slide to third in a few years, that might prolong his ability.

          • Brian S.

            He’s just an example. As is Utley. As is A-Rod. As is pretty much every player that reaches their mid-thirties.

            • jjyank

              And Utley and A-Rod both had serious injury issues that are playing into their respective decline. It’s not always so black and white. Will Cano decline? Yes. Could he possibly stave off that decline until he’s ~36 instead of 32, as you claim? Also, yes.

              • squeege

                True, however a 10 year deal takes him to 41. The second half of that contract years 37+ will really hurt at 20+ M. One could also argue Arods decline has been severe, but he was so much better than everyone else, that he is still above average. Cano at his best is not Arod and the decline could be better, equal or worse, but money says that at age 37 he won’t be as good as Arod is now and then you still have 4 years left.

                I think the Yanks have learned their lesson on 8-10 year deals, unless the player is 28/29 or below. Cano will be on the wrong side of 30 playing a position that historically does not age well. He could buck the trend, but if your the Yankees you bet that he doesn’t and act accordingly.

                • jjyank

                  To be clear, I am not endorsing a ten year contract.

      • Preston

        You mean Jeff Kent who was worth .6 WAR at age 40, and out of the game at 41. That’s really the point. The best case scenario means that he will be worthless the last two years of the contract. Ten years can’t be on the table.

    • Jacob

      More than likely he will move to 3rd at some point in the contract if they see something they do not like

      • Get Phelps Up

        I could easily see that. Especially when ARod will inevitably becoming the full time DH.

        • jjyank

          Agreed. Cano played third in the minors. While that was obviously a long time ago, he at least knows how to play the position. And he’s certainly got the arm for it.

    • IWannaBeAHirokstar

      I don’t think we can assume the same will happen to Cano. All huge deals are high-risk, but conventional wisdom would suggest keeping Cano. He is, after all, their best player.

  • DERP

    I’d let him walk if the demands get too high, but there is no doubt in my mind that they lock him up.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Let Cano walk, Swisher is more valuable.

    /shit people actually said 3 months ago’d

  • Smart Guy

    trade cano!, you can get multiple plugins plus save money that you can use to plug more holes.

    if this team continues to lock down players and have no wiggle room financially and on rosters you will see an expensive bench down the road and players blocking better ones from filling in

    • Brian S.

      +1 Smart Guy. Or should I say Inferno’s Curse.

    • chuck

      yea but i want to win this year.

  • jjyank

    Part of the reason I want Cano locked up long term, even for a middle infielder, is that I really do think he can move to third base when either A-Rod moves to DH full time or his contract is up.

    As I mentioned above somewhere, he did play third in the minors. While that was quite some time ago, he probably at least has some knowledge of the positon, meaning it won’t be completely foreign. He’s got the arm for it.

    And lastly: If Miguel Cabrera can play third base, so can Robbie, dammit.

    • Brian S.

      Since when is playing third easier than playing second?

      • jjyank

        Much less wear and tear on the body without the double play pivots. Less players you have to jump over to avoid spikes in your calf. Less range to cover.

        Are you serious? Come on Brian, there’s a reason why so many middle infielders have moved to third base as they got older.

        • Brian S.

          Like who?

          • jjyank

            Cal Ripken.

            • Brian S.

              lol

              • jjyank

                Great response.

                http://blog.detroitathletic.co.....hird-base/

                If you think that second base is not any more demanding than third, I don’t know what else to say to you.

                • Brian S.

                  Speaking of Cal Ripken Jr., there is another player that lost his elite hitting after age 31!

                  • jjyank

                    So you just want to ignore my point? Alright then.

          • jjyank

            Paul Molitor, Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Harmon Killebrew, even Jackie Robinson.

            • Jacob

              +1 on the examples there JJ put him in his place

              • Brian S.

                He didn’t put anyone anywhere.

                • jjyank

                  I think I did actually, since you stopped trying to argue my point. Third base is a less demanding position, and the Yankees could use that fact to attempt to prolong Cano’s career in the event of a long term contract.

                  And all you can do is spout off the age of a player or two who stopping hitting at a certain age.

                  • Brian S.

                    And all you can do is ignore the fact that all hitters get worse in their mid thirties. Being able to play third base won’t stop his hitting from getting worse, which happens to almost every player.

                    • jjyank

                      I didn’t say that. I said it could help stave that off for a couple of years if he plays a less-physically demanding position. Middle infielders drop off quicker because of the physical toll of the position they play. So yes, if Robbie played a less demanding position, it could preserve his bat a little bit.

                      And then you tried to say that third base isn’t less physically demanding than second base, with absolutely nothing to back that up? I don’t know why I’m bothering.

                    • Brian S.

                      And how is your argument any different than mine?

                      “Here is a few players that made the move to third. This proves Cano can do it.” -your argument

                      “Cano is unlikely to remain an elite hitter into his mid-thirties. Here are a few players as an exapmple.” -my argument

                    • jjyank

                      I dunno Brian, you’re the one who responded to my post and seemed to have a problem with what I said, so you tell me.

                    • OldYanksFan

                      So we will have ANOTHER 3rd baseman getting paid over $20m to post an .800 OPS (when Cano is 35)?

          • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

            Sorry Brian, I’m on your side kind of, but Tejada, Alex, Ripken, just off the top of my head. Granted they’re all former shortstops, but middle infielder to third isn’t the strangest transition.

            • jjyank

              The reason that most them are shortstops (or even outfielders) is because they typically have the arm required of a third baseman, while most second baseman don’t have that arm. Robbie does.

      • Alkaline

        Where did he say that?

  • JobaWockeeZ

    While I get that Robbie’s contract demands might be insane I don’t get why the same people are clamoring to sign back Swisher and Granderson at any cost.

    Granderson’s overrated CF defensive skills will put him in the 20 AAV mark and people are really okay with that? But with Cano it’s time to trade him?

    • Brian S.

      I don’t want Swisher or Granderson extended. I actually wanted Cano extended before reading this news.

    • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too)

      Who is clamoring to sign Swisher or Granderson at any cost?

      I believe the thinking is because both Swisher and Granderson would require fewer years or a lower AAV, they might represent a better value. It all depends on how high Cano’s contract would go and how much they can limit Granderson or Swish’s contract. I haven’t seen anyone say they’d sign Granderson for a 20M AAV.

  • blake

    Ive heard from several places this stuff about how 2B dont age well historically…..the problem with that is how many 2B could hit like Cano….EVER?

    The reason most 2B havent aged well is because they kinda stunk offensively to begin with and came down feom a much lower ceiling than Cano will….its just a pretty irrelevant comparison IMO.

    • Brian S.

      Chase Utley could hit like Cano and defend and run the bases much better. He got 5-85 and started sucking at age 32.

      • blake

        Yea…was that because of injuries or because he plays 2B?

        • Brian S.

          Who is to say those injuries weren’t because of his age? Players get over 30 and they become more injury prone. That is what happens.

      • gc

        So he just started sucking? Just like that? Nothing happened to him that contributed to that? Come on.

      • Bo Knows

        Utley’s play style is also far different than Cano’s. Guys like Utley, and the inch high 2nd Baseman for Boston play in a way that can and have lead to a myriad of injuries.

        Robbie’s style is far more fluid, smooth, natural. He rarely needs to dive, and almost never even sees contact when turning the double play. His body just hasn’t incurred the wear and tear that players at his position get.

    • Rey22

      Roberto Alomar and Chase Utley come to mind immediately without much thought. I’m sure there are more examples.

      I’m not saying Robbie will age just like them, but it’s rarer for an elite 2b to remain elite through his 30s than it is for them to become injured or ineffective.

      • Murderers’ Row Boat

        The problem with Utley is that he has needed knee surgery for the past two years, and the Phillies have let him “rehab” it instead of getting the surgery. Their GM is weak and ineffective.

  • Marcy

    Bad timing for all this – plus we just see Headley hitting on MLB, D-Backs getting Chris Johnson, Cano – someone else has to sign him to the big contract. You know Cashman is going to tell him Jeter’s done next year, the team will fully be his, and if he wants to win again – well, they have to field a good team within their budget. The Boris crap about how much the Yankees make is probably true but it doesn’t matter if they can’t use it on the field.

  • Murderers’ Row Boat

    This will all depend on whether Boras believes the Yankee budget is hard. If he doesn’t, Cano will go to free agency and Boras will try to play teams off each other.

    He if does, Cano will sign an extension first. It would appear that Cano’s willingness to talk extension is a sign that Boras believes the Yankees will have a budget cap in 2014. To get the most out of the Yankees for Cano Boras will have to deal with Yankees now. Waiting until after Granderson or Swisher signs means less money for Cano in the budget. If Granderson’s people are smart, they will sign an extension ASAP and get the most of the Yankees.

    If Boras waits too long, he’ll have to hope the Yankees shed a lot of payroll in 2013-2014 offseason.

  • Gonzo

    Watch the Phillies play next year, then decide what you want your team to look like.

  • Mike c

    this lineup is going to look great without cano. give me a break. what happened to the “not my money” meme when this blog wanted to sign darvish? we’re going to overpay cano, so get over it already. boohoo

  • Marcy

    Is that a tweak at Cashman? His bosses didn’t tell him…interesting after people making a big deal over Levine getting the call re:Ichiro.

    Also, not good for Robbie if the fans start feeling about him the way they feel about Alex. Remember 2007 the last time that Alex was amazing in the regular season? Ok, he had a good 2009 post-season. Robbie had trouble w/RISP – how’s Boras going to tell Hal & Randy Robbie carried them through a post-season.

    Please tell them all to stop. If Robbie wants to go – as they say – Go in good health – just send back ++ players and now they can even get picks, right? Send him to a BIG NL park.
    This is annoying -
    Enjoy your day

  • BK2ATL

    I think it’s reckless to say just let him go, esp. without offering a real alternative.

    1st, there’s already waffling on extending Granderson.

    2nd, it doesn’t appear that Swisher will be re-signed.

    3rd, you’d be relying on A-Rod and Teix to provide your future offense.

    4th, neither CoJo or Adams have had one MLB at bat. I remember when Laird was supposed to be something….Prospects, I tell ya.

    5th, you’re talking about removing a key part of the IF defense, esp. with Jeter’s range diminishing by the day, and the future decline of Teix.

    6th, you offer no TRUE replacement for what you’re going to let walk. (The likes of Utley, Infante, Hill and Zobrist will be FA’s after 2013. All older than Cano.)

    Pujols was only 1B, so that position alone could more easily be filled than a power-hitting, GG-fielding 2B. Positionally, St. Louis did it with the combo of Berkman and Craig. Offensively, they brought in Beltran to alleviate the damage, and to EVERYONE’S surprise, he stayed healthy so far. They were extended this goodwill, following winning a World Series.

    Just try to extend Cano after this season and then move forward with Granderson as well, then looking into a RF. The Cano AAV could be approx. $21 million, over 6 yrs, with an option. Chase Utley’s contract and subsequent performance has to be a consideration in this. IF he walks, I hope he likes LA or reuniting with Melky in SF. Best of luck. But you gotta try to extend this offseason, to realize the AAV savings.

    The Granderson AAV should be offered in the $19 million range over 5 yrs, with an option as well.

    Both are very reasonable offers for both sides. I’m hoping that we win the WS this season so that whatever the outcome of both of these decisions will be acceptable. To not win the WS AND let them go,……would just be bad. Very bad.

    • Preston

      I don’t think anyone here would hesitate to sign a six year 126 year deal, especially if it’s an extension signed this off-season. But Boras is insinuating that they will want a lot more, and I wouldn’t be willing to pay it.

      • BK2ATL

        He’ll have to do a helluva sell job to Cano and his family to turn down $21 million/yr uproot from NY/NJ for LA and SF. Somehow I just don’t see it.

  • blake

    My point is that ther really havent been a lot of 2B on Cano’s level in the history of baseball to compare him to to say that he will age poorly just because he plays that position….if you have concerns about his approach aging then ok….but I dont see how a bunch of Luis Castilloss aging poorly has anything to do with Cano.

  • Nathan

    I don’t know where the Yankees can replace Cano’s offense & defense and at a lower cost that it would take to keep him.

    • Tyler

      It’s not about replacing Cano at 2b, its about using the money that you would have paid Cano if you let him walk to make up for Cano’s last value elsewhere. $20 million could be spread around quite nicely.

    • Strat

      Not that I’m endorsing it, or against it, but a trade for Justin Upton would be a good start.

  • chuck

    A lot of hate for Arods contract.. I used to be a big arod hater.. but they offered him the money and he hasn’t been a wuss and backed out of it even when he performs like shit. Dude is a head case, but he isn’t going to hide.. I think he’d play better if we didn’t boo his ass in his home stadium. I go to a ton of games so don’t deny it to me.
    As for worrying about what Boras says that is a waste of time.. used to work like 5 years ago, but now he can’t be taken seriously.
    If the yankees pay slightly above what the market determines cano is worth I doubt it will be more than 5 or 6 years.

    • Brian S.

      I kind of wish he would back out of it after next season. If he wants to retire after 2013 that’s fine with me!

      • chuck

        to be honest me too

  • Rich in NJ

    Just don’t trade Cano (or Granderson) for pitching.

  • http://stoogazzo@comcast.net Tom Morea

    Let the half-wit walk. This is his seventh year and the moron still has no knowledge of the strike zone and he exhibits zero patience at the place. He contually swings at pitches in the right-hand batters’ box; as well as pitches in the dirt and pitches over his shoulders.Because of these unrefutable facts Cano will never win a batting title or hit for a high average.
    As he gets older he will find more difficulty catching up with pitches out of the strike zone. Cano is also a slow runner and has been picked off several times this season. On one occasion he believed there were two outs. So let the smirking fool go rather than give him a long-term contract.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      … or hit for a high average.

      You should probably refrain from calling someone a half-wit, a moron, and a smoking fool when you back it up with statements like that, especially when you call it an “unrefutable fact.”

    • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too)

      ” Cano will never … hit for a high average.”

      6th best average in baseball since the start of 2009.

      Every player has flaws, and Cano certainly has his. If you never sign a player with flaws you will have a team with no players. Cano’s positives far outweigh his negatives.

    • Andruw’s Smile

      Hahahahhaahha. I don’t know where to start, this is just so good.

    • jjyank

      ….career 308 batting average isn’t a “high” average? You lost me right there. And yet he’s the “smirking fool”.

      I don’t get it. People like to bash the Yankees for being too “professional” and teams young teams that have fun are supposed to be “energetic”. Yet the best player on the team likes to smile as he…wait for it…PLAYS A GAME is a fool. Wow.

    • Jacob

      .300 is the new .200 everybody

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’d wager that it’s pretty refutable that he’s a half-wit or moron.

    • OldYanksFan

      OK… this is harsh, but let me clean this up a bit.
      Cano is now a GREAT player.

      But…..
      He currently has a career OBP of .349.
      This, up to age 29.
      So what will his OBP be when he is 34… 35… 36…. 37…?

      As someone above said, offer an extension NOW.
      I think 6/$132 is too hgh, but we could handle it.
      I would offer 6/$123, and simple ask:
      Do you want to retire a Yankee? What’s that worth to you?

  • Bo Knows

    If the Yankees are going to try for an extension after this season 7 years and 140-150 million will probably get it done. Boras is talking big because that is what he is paid to do, that said, Robbie is not going to see 10 years because he not a Joey Votto or Albert (old version of Albert) caliber of hitter. He’s not going to see a Kemp length deal because he (Robbie) is almost 2 years older.

  • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

    I love Cano, but two all time greats in Alex and Pujols are proving that no player over the age of 25 deserves a ten year contract.

  • JohnnyC

    Explain how the White Sox are making all these deals but have the worst farm system. Are the other GMs even sillier than Williams?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      You don’t need prospects when all you trade for is out-of-favor players.

    • Andruw’s Smile

      Liriano and Youk weren’t exactly the toughest guys to trade for. Team was practically giving them away. Same with Myers. The Astros are in super-sell mode. Too bad they don’t have a single piece of interest for the Yanks.

      • BK2ATL

        Yet no one else gave up nothing for these rental pieces.

        I say kudos to Kenny Williams and Brian Cashman for taking advantage of the hype of the market, moving under the radar and making solid deals, getting something for basically nothing.

  • RetroRob

    Like all Yankee fans, I’d like to see Cano back, but I’ve never viewed him in the Jeter/Rivera class as a must-have, lifelong Yankee. His career-long penchant for expanding the strikezone leading to lower walk rates and I believe overall lower productivity in RISP situations suggests a player who may not age well once he loses just a fraction of his bat speed.

    The Yankees have received the best from Cano by having him through his 20s. Decline years are something a team has to plan for and there is nothing wrong with paying high dollar for decline years as long as they are still productive years. The cost per win is higher, but that’s simply a product of the CBA. Young players are on the very low end of the pay scale, veteran players are on the very high end. So paying more for Cano’s productivity is to be expected, and factoring in decline years is part of the equation. I’d be fine if they sign him to a seven-year deal after this year, taking him through his age 30-36 seasons. I do not want them to let him play through 2013 and then sign him to a eight or ten-year deal taking him potentially up to 40. A-Rod revisited, and Cano at his peak is a fraction of what A-Rod was at his. Pass and pass again.

    The one position area the Yankees are fairly deep in, besides catchers, is second. Adams, CoJo and Pirela. All three of these kids will play in the major leagues eventually. One of them can be the Yankees 2B’man, or maybe two of them with one serving as a swing utility player.

    None will be as good as Cano, but they don’t have to be. Direct the $20+ million a year they won’t be paying to Cano to other areas of the roster. Handled properly, the Yankees still win 95 games.

    It’s why opening negotiations now is important. They need to understand what Boras/Cano want and they need to make decisions now.

    • OldYanksFan

      Good point.
      And let’s rememner:
      When Cano was on the farm, he certainly wasn’t going to be as good as Cano.
      YCPB.

  • New Balance Cleats

    Let’s face it, after next year his prime will be behind him. IMO his best comparison is Utley. He’s 33 and look at the cliff he fell off, granted he got hurt, but are we willing to take that risk with Cano, especially as a middle infielder with 10 year contract.

    He’s clearly not interested in a hometown discount.

    It hurts, but trade him and enjoy the haul of prospects he’ll bring in.

    Not everyone is Derek Jeter.

    • Bo Knows

      Utley and Cano have completely different playing styles, the only thing they have in common is the position they play.

  • Kosmo

    Cano on a 6 year 132 million deal.

    • Jacob

      Fair enough I am sure they will want at least 8 so throw in some options

      • Kosmo

        I think that would get it done.

        • jjyank

          If it does, I’d do that faster than I can blink an eye.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Absolutely.

            You said it below, but I’m fine with Kemp’s deal as well.

    • Brian S.

      If he would accept that this offseason, fine. The whole reason there has been controversy is that he wants more than that.

      • RetroRob

        …and with Boras as his agent, I expect he will test free agency.

        I have little doubt he wants to remain with the Yankees and assumes that as they have in the past they will come up with whatever dollars to keep him.

        He may be in for a surprise.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Consider this me thinking aloud:

    This is a tough one. I think Robbie is an excellent baseball player who will absolutely command a big contract when this is all said and done. I’m not necessarily afraid of ten years since, frankly, all the other albatrosses will be gone by the time he’s one himself.

    I also think that, as modern-day Yankee fans, we have an irrational fear of watching our heroes wear other uniforms while they’re still young. Other than Andy, our Yankees have stayed Yankees. The core stayed together. The core was also something pretty damn special, which I’m not quite sure, great as he is, Robinson Cano is a part of today.

    I’d sign up for six years right now. I’d consider eight. Ten sounds excessive, sure, but, at this point, if I’m fine with eight, why not just two years of pain at the end?

    There’s this one commenter on here (CJ? CR?) who makes a ton of sense as to players being cheap when they’re young and expensive when they’re old.

    The question becomes when does Robbie become that albatross, and will that moment be worth the best years. Alomar comparisons aside, and whatever, I worry most about paying him from age 36 and beyond. That’s seven years from now….

    …..I’d sign up for an eight-year extension tomorrow. I have no clue right now whether I’d let Boras talk me into two more. He’s got my number. Call me, Scott.

    • jjyank

      Yeah, I’ve said several times I’m cool with the Kemp contract. 8 years, $160 mil. Like you said, the last couple of years may be brutal, but there is a chance that the years before it make up for that.

      And as I’ve advocated, I think a move to third base half-way through could help his body avoid a little wear and tear.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Those last couple of years are the victory lap. Jeter’s on the victory lap. It is what it is.

        The trick is managing how long you’re on the hook for the victory lap.

        • Jacob

          And how much more does the victory lap cost you, is it more like Pujols or less like Alex

          • jjyank

            That’s a lesser issue in my opinion. Pujols’ deal is backloaded (and vice versa for A-Rod) but the real concern to me is luxury tax purposes. And that’s caculated by the average annual value, not the year-to-year payouts.

            • Cano

              You’ve always been a solid commenter on here, so I’m a bit surprised to see you using Kemp and Pujols as possible comparisons. Kemp is younger than Cano and by a few years. As much as we Yank fans might want to believe so, Cano and Pujols have a different clout as a player. Cano is top 10 player as of today for sure, but Pujols does have the possibly as finishing his career as a top 10 player in history (BIG statement, I know). The point I’m making is that a lot of commenters on the board need to tone it down a bit. Cano is a superstar as of today for sure, but may not be a 10 (maybe an 8) a year and a half from now. The Yanks would be smart to just pick up the option and let Cano explore free agency. I really don’t think any other team will offer more than 6 years at $20mm-$22mm per. The Yanks can easily match that and stay within the budget they’ll be working with. This is what I don’t understand with the “extension” talks. What will the Yanks gain as opposed to what will likely happen in free agency anyway? Good faith? I don’t know. My concern with Cano also is that he gets paid and maybe gets a little lazy later on. I hope this doesn’t happen, but Cano may be the type to regress mentally and physically fast.

              • Jacob

                We arre using the contract comparisons not he type of players just whether the contract would be backloaded like one star or frontloaded liek the other, and with kemp just thte years money he gets

              • jjyank

                I’m not comparing Pujols. I just made a point that a backloaded deal doesn’t do it for me because of the AAV calculated for luxury tax purposes. I’ve also never compared Cano to Kemp, I simply said I would be cool with his contract.

                I have not once in this thread compared Cano to another player. I have compared contracts. The fact is there isn’t a perfect contract comparison out there. All I said is that if Boras will push for a ridiculous contract, I would be happy to settle for 8/160, Kemp’s contract. I would love for anything less, but I’m not so sure that’s going to happen on the open market.

                • jjyank

                  Also, yes, Kemp was two years younger, so perhaps Cano should be looking for less money. But Boras is his agent, and if he takes Cano to the open market (which Kemp’s contract was NOT negotiated in), you can bet he’ll ask for the moon regardless.

                • Cano

                  Fair enough and understood. I wasn’t sure where these comparisons were going.

            • toad

              Which is why going for a longer contract is not so bad, if the incremental cost of the last few years is low.

              How much more, total, would an 8-year deal be than a 6-year deal? If you can’t sign Cano for 6/120 how much are you wiiling to offer for 6 years? $150? Then why not 8/$160. That’s $5/yr for the last two years, and it gives you an AAV of $20 rather than $25. That alone is worth something.

    • Cano

      I agree with much of this as well as agree with Mike’s assessment of the situation. I’m 50/50 right now about I would handle this if I were in Cashman’s shoes. My first thought is to pick up the option only this offseason. He’s hired Scott Boras, nothing is changing the fact that he will be seeking a long contract with a high dollar value whether done off the market or in the market 2014. I cannot see what the Yankees will gain by extending Cano this offseason. What, they maybe save a year? A few million, if that? I don’t see it and I think the Yanks should pick up the option, play out the 2013 season and see how the market develops for Cano. The Dodgers are adding up the dollars fast (Hanley. Kemp, Either and soon Kershaw) plus my feeling is they hand out a big pitching contract this offseason to someone. Yeah, they may go after Cano, but I don’t think it will be anything out of line from what the Yanks would offer as well. Who else? I’m having a hard time thinking of other teams that will hand out that contract, that has a need for a 2nd baseman making that much money.

      I’m also ok with Cano walking. I don’t want to see that happen, but I’ve got to agree the general sentiment across this board. I think 6 years for $120mm with a mutual 7th year option for $20mm ($3mm) buyout is probably as far as I take it. I prefer 5 years and $105mm ($21mm per) with a mutual 6th year and a buyout. At $20mm per, the Yanks can do that and be fine with the budget of $189mm in mind. It’s really only about a $5mm-$6mm raise per year as it stands now.

      There is a big part of me that feels Cashman is going to trade for Upton this fall. If that were to happen, I could see the Yanks putting Mason Williams in CF in 2014 and if Gardner returns healthy next season, we should be able to see him for another few seasons following that in LF. An OF of Gardner, Williams, Upton is very good defensively and should be production at the plate. Tyler Austin will also be a candidate. There will be others like Ichiro (which I wouldn’t rule out the Yanks offering a $6mm-$8mm) contract too next season as their “Andrew Jones” and then again in 2014 despite being 40 at that time (See Ibanez). Granderson is huge presence in the baseball community, a highly educated individual and an all around solid baseball player. Outside of homers, that’s his greatest value and the biggest possible loss to the Yanks. I could see them offering him something for 3-4 years in the $70mm range, but that’s tops. I actually believe the Yanks will opt to let Granderson sign elsewhere. He’ll be on the wrong side of 30 also.

      If the Yanks 2014 looks like this, then A-OK for me.

      SS – Jeter – last year
      CF – M. Williams – 1st year
      2ND – Cano – new contract
      RF – J. Upton – 2nd year (2nd yr on team – 1 remaining)
      1ST – Teixiera – 6th year (2 remaining)
      3RD/DH – Arod – Forever contract
      3RD – Chase Headly type (whoever of similar contract size/value is available at that time)
      Catcher – Romine and Chris Stewart type (2015 G. Sanchez)
      LF – B. Gardner

      There will be lots of other moving parts well before then. Pitching. G. Sanchez could just dominate 2013 (perhaps too wishful) and be an option in 2014. The Yanks shouldn’t have to worry about the Cano and Granderson contracts and they don’t appear to be doing so. Cano is the one you go for first, but if its too much, then the Yanks will be better for not taking the plunge on this one.

      • BK2ATL

        Pray tell, please explain how we’d have acquired both Justin Upton AND Chase Headley and still have Mason Williams and Gary Sanchez.

        • Cano

          Chase Headly “type” I mentioned. Not the actual player. Try to find a player like him that cost’s little, under contract for a short period and a pretty high level of production. Point taken however that you likely don’t get “that” player unless you maybe trade for him and have to give up prospects.

          Upton is a different case, however. Towers regards Nunez well and I could see something like Romine/Nunez and Austin. I don’t know there are some many ways that can go and I don’t like speculating on “who,” but the Yanks do have the ability to easily pull it off and retain Williams at the same time. The D-Backs do have two very promising OF’rs in their system as well and Young already in CF. Towers likes Romine and Nunez, both MLB ready players (something else Towers has said he prefers) add on Campos, or De Paula, or Austin along with Phelps or Marshall, you’re getting something together. Upton has hugh potential, but let’s not get carried about about just how valuable he is.

          G. Sanchez ain’t going anyway and he is probably the only untouchable player the Yanks have.

          • BK2ATL

            You’re still gonna part with both and possibly Sanchez and Banuelos too if you want a “Chase Headley-type” AND Justin Upton. No other realistic way around it.

            The other prospects that you mention (Nunez, Romine, Campos) have injury question marks or current limited value (DePaula, Marshall, Austin). Phelps is a piece, but needs more MLB work to substantially build his value.

            In essence, getting your Headley-type and Upton WOULD effectively gut the farm system. You would be parting with Williams, Sanchez, Banuelos, Phelps, Nunez or Adams, possibly Montgomery/Marshall.

            You’re not going to land these type of quality players with throwaways from our farm system.

  • Andrew Brotherton

    Exactly, make highest offer this offseason and if Cano doesn’t accept you trade him. You take your chances that whatever team’s farm system you gut that you picked the right players. I think the Royals, the Pirates, the Diamondbacks, and the Nationals are teams you could target. I think if played right you could get 3 top 100 guys and 2 other of a team’s top 10 or top 15.

    • Cano

      In order to trade him, they’d have to pick up the option. The problem with the logic to trade him is that Cano is a difference maker and would be far more valuable as a trade candidate mid-season, which the Yanks aren’t going to do, not unless they’re in Red Sox territory this time next year. Plus it wouldn’t bode well for resigning him. To trade him this offseason, sure they could get some value in return, but teams can’t plan for much if they can only look forward a year also. You’d probably get a greater return mid-season, believe it or not. The option will be picked up and they will let him evaluate what is available in free agency. I don’t think he leaves ultimately.

  • Jacob

    Hey Mike do you think it would be smarter to decline his option for next year banking on the fact he could possibly have another huge year and demand even more money, plus also not having to worry about one more year of a possible decline?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Oh no, you pick up that option all day every day.

      • Jacob

        Ok thanks Mike!

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Oh, and you don’t trade him. Too many movable parts right now. Worry about that once it’s close to the contract being up.

    • Andruw’s Smile

      Play it through 2013, and see where it goes. Can anyone remember the last time a big impending FA from the Yankees did not re-sign here? And I’m talking about a guy who spent 6-7 years here as well. Has it happened in the last 15 years?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Andy is it, but he doesn’t pass your 6-7 year sniff test.

        • Andruw’s Smile

          Andy is actually a good one. He left after ’03, so he was here for 8 years (6-7 years was just a placeholder for “spent early career here”).

    • jjyank

      No trades. The Yankees are way to “win now” to do that, and winning with Robbie is easier than winning without him.

    • Jacob

      It is ridiculous how many people think that is a great option

      • Robinson Tilapia

        They like the fantasy of being small-market, but not actually being small-market.

  • Jacob

    Good news on a side note fellas: Ronnie M, activated from triple a DL! Not surprised if we see him in the bigs soon

    • Ross

      If you look at the success of all the Cuban players who were “rushed” to the big leagues, you have to think that Mustellier is going to be good because he actually went through our system.

      • Andruw’s Smile

        Just because other Cuban guys have had success doesn’t mean Mustellier will too. It’s a silly assumption, especially since the other guys (Chapman, Cespedes, El Duque, etc) were highly heralded before coming over to the states, whereas Mustillier was not.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Are there 40-man slots for him to be up in September? I’m actually not so sure, but we’ll see.

      Nothing against a fellow countryman.

      • Jacob

        I imagine if they have some concerns about Chavez or don’t see any viable options on the market that he would take pena’s

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I think Adams’s playing third in AA is pretty telling, but we’ll see. If there’s not a vet in there for Pena by Tuesday, then the market really wasn’t working in the Yanks’ favor.

          • Jacob

            True I forgot about Adams, they could also drop nix if they feel pena is more valuable

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I’d stick with Nix if that was the case. Pena’s all glove/no bat shtick works as a true UTL type (maybe), but the job of spelling Chavez at third is more than that.

              I’d even say Nix over Adams. I just don’t think you pick now to break Adams into the big leagues. Let him get his at-bats in September when you bring him up.

              • Jacob

                yep totally agree with you, there is always august waiver claims that could help if needed *Dodgers fall out of race and place Jerry Hairston Jr. on waivers*

      • Andruw’s Smile

        There really won’t be any 40 man spots open, and probably a 40 man crunch with Joba and Andy returning soon as well as Romine and Aardsma down the road. And hey, even Mo’s gonna come back (just kidding about that… kinda).

  • Got Heeeeeeem

    How about 5/~125 with a team option for a 6th year? If he ends up declining 4 or 5 years from now, the Yanks aren’t stuck with him forever. If he does well, we’ll see what can happen with another contract from then.

    Heck, I don’t know, I am not a fan of long contracts.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Well, no one thinking about the management end is a fan of big contracts. Alex and Pujols set the bar, though, and you bet Boras will come out swinging talking about ten years for his best clients. Whether he gets it or not is another story.

      I’m a social worker by trade. We’re horrible negotiators for ourselves. I wish I had Scott Boras negotiating my raises.

      • Rooting for U.S. Steel

        There’s an angle we haven’t considered yet: Who are the likely bidders for Cano’s services at 8/$200 or 10/$220, or whatever it will take?

        Who will have the need, the space and the cash? Or is this a case of The Yankees bidding against themselves? Are we talking more than two or three teams, at the most?

        • Jacob

          LA(Both possibly) Oakland(Only based on if they get the new staium i.e. what Miami did) Miami(doubtfull) Mets(if financial situation is cleared up) Toronto(Hiding all that money) Washington(thego for anyone)

          • BK2ATL

            Add Detroit, SF and Chicago Cubs into that, possibly Arizona.

            • Jacob

              Didn’t think about Detroit or the Cubs but I doubt Arizona or SF is willing to spend that type of money

              • Brian S.

                SF will be shedding Huff and Rowand after this year and Zito after next year. Plus Melky will lobby for them to get his buddy.

                • BK2ATL

                  And there you go.

                  The 2 of them playing together again, at their current levels, would be infectious to the clubhouse and offense.

                  Add in Posey, Panda, and Belt amongst others then the pitching and you have a team built to battle LA annually.

                  Each of those clubs have money available and a need for a Cano-like player at 2nd and in the middle of their lineup.

                  One thing that needs to be said, IF Cano’s range diminishes, I don’t think it would be difficult for him to move over to 3B. His arm and instincts would play well there.

          • Bunt Gardner

            I think the Angels will be too close to the LT threshold if they sign Grienke (considering other players they will want to lock up). The Dodgers are quickly running up their payroll, but who knows their ceiling. I wouldn’t rule out a rebuilding team such as the Cubs.

            • Bunt Gardner

              I really should refresh the page before commenting…lol

        • Cano

          By 2014 I can only come up with a handful of possible destinations and from teams that would be absurd enough to spend that kind of money on a 31 year old player.

          Baltimore – If they finish at or above .500 this year and improve on that next year and with Machado likely at SS, Cano would be a slam dunk perfect fit for them. They have the money and they don’t have any real bad contracts on the books.

          Dodgers – As it’s been said many times. But people need to start realizing that yeah, sure, they have money to spend and spending it they are and fast. Hanely isn’t that cheap, Kemp and Either. Kershaw should be re-upping any day now and he’ll cost Hamels $$ is not more. They’ll probably hand out a large amount to another front end pitcher this season also. You’ll blink and by 2014, they’re going to have a lot of committments already. The point is, the Dodgers aren’t going to blow everyone away as much as we all previously thought.

          Nationals, as mentioned by others. Possible. They have money tied up in Werth and Zimmerman at that point. It’s possible and if they go far this year, it only helps their case to continue spending.

          Phillies – I don’t see it. Possible, but something doesn’t right.

          Toronto – I don’t see it also.

          Seattle – I don’t think they can offer that much more to convince Cano to play there.

          Angels – No chance

          Rangers – Kinsler

          A’s – No way. Not by then

          Red Sox – Pedroia

          Cardinals aren’t going to pass on Pujols like they did and turn around and sign Cano. That’s ridiculous.

          Reds – Phillips.

          D-Backs – Ain’t happening

          I’d say Yanks, O’s, Dodgers are your top three candidates. Everything else doesn’t make sense.

          • Cano

            To add a few more as someone commented above

            Tigers – No way. Not a chance with the money they now have tied up. They need to figure out what to do with Cabrera again soon.

            SF – NO WAY!!! Splitting nickels and counting pennies. I suppose to be fair, the need could exist for them, but I don’t see them out bidding anyone. They might put something on the table for 5 years, but that’s best case scenario for them.

            Cubs – That is actually very VERY possible and I neglected to consider them in my post above. It would be a bold move to offer Cano that type of contract, but 2 things need to be considered about them, this time next year. They will finally be losing the sting of years of bad contracts finally ending or close to ending. They should at that point have a few more prospects in the minors. The Cubs realistically don’t compete consistently until maybe 2015 and more likely 2016 and after, at best. So sure Theo could throw out some $180mm offer and he has experience (not great) with that type of thing, but it could be a bit premature for the Cubs to go that route.

            • Tom

              White Sox? Money and need.

              Also a hitter’s park and playing in a division where they should be able to at least contend most years.

            • BK2ATL

              You’re only looking at it from the prospective of why they couldn’t do it, rather than why they could.

              Detroit – certainly could sign Cano, with Martinez’ contract dropping off the books after 2014. They don’t have a boatload of money tied up, not like the Yankees do. Just Cabrera, Verlander, Fielder and Martinez under contract for substantial $$$, plus several arb cases.

              SF – What makes you think they can’t afford Cano? They’re probably going to let Lincecum walk after 2013. They bring in good revenue and are not, nor would be, cap-challenged. Brian Sabean is a pretty resourceful GM.

              Cubs – Could build around Cano. That stroke in Wrigley???? They have the money. Castro and Cano would be a dynamic middle IF.

              Arizona – Certainly will have the financial resources and need for a Cano.

  • Jacob

    We all need to thank Kinsler for not signing a ridiculous contract, should lower what Cano gets even though only a marginal amount every year/dollars saved is good

  • Ross

    Cano over Grandy all day long, by the way (if it came to a choice between the two)

    • Jacob

      Yea I mean I love grandy but he is going to be almost 33 and needs to be a LF sooner rather than later and he is striking out more than ever it seems, not running as much drawing fewer walks on base less, and if he keeps hitting second he really is not driving in runs,

      • Ross

        If he wasn’t a Yankee, I could just hear the chants now:
        O-Ver-Ra-Ted

        • Andruw’s Smile

          And if he wasn’t a Yankee, those chants would be wrong. It sucks that Gardner got hurt this year because after another full season, I could have seen them shifting Gardy and Granderson. We’ll see this offseason though.

      • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too)

        His 12.2 BB% is the second best of his career (behind just last year’s 12.3%) He’s still walking.

        He does need to be moved from CF though, which I’d hope they take into consideration in any contract talks.

        • Jacob

          This is where my empty thinking comes in to play lol thank you for putting the walk rate I guess all the K’s make the walks look less often

  • johnreverent

    “When you go to sign great players and you know you are going to get six or years more of greatness, you have to spend by paying more years. You may pay over 10 years for the privilege of having the great seven.” this is one the biggest douchebag statements i have ever read a agent say…. what an asshole

    • Ross

      Agreed, Boras is partially responsible for ruining professional athletics and, in many ways, economic balance in the US.

      • Andruw’s Smile

        Scott Boras is the reason for ruining economic balance in the US? Are you serious?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Scott Boras built the projects. Don’t you know?

          • Andruw’s Smile

            Scott Boras bankrupted Lehman. He forced banks to give sub-prime mortgages.

      • jjyank

        I think that’s going a bit far. Boras’ job is to get the most money for his clients, and he’s damn good at it. Dealing with a Boras client is always a pain in the ass because you know he’s going to compare the player to Babe Ruth or something in negotiations, but I could never hate on a guy too much for doing his job well.

    • toad

      Sorry, I don’t get the hate for Boras. The guy has a job to do, and that’s representing his clients. He’s good at it. He’s a good negotiator. So what? He’s not putting guns to the owners’ heads.

      is he supposed to say, “I could get this guy an extra $10 million, but I’m not going to do it because it would hurt baseball?”

      And why does it, by the way, hurt baseball?

    • Andruw’s Smile

      I don’t get how it’s a big douchebag statement… It’s damn true. That’s today’s market, and that’s how it is. CC isn’t going to be worth 25 million in 5 years, but he may well be worth more than that in the next two years. So you may actually be underpaying (or paying market value really) for the guy in the short term, but severly overpaying him in the last couple of years on his deal.

      • johnreverent

        he’s telling us that, to pay for the privlage of haveing those POSSIBLY great seven years you gotta get screwed for the back three. It’s not robbie is gonna be playing those seven years at an undermarket rate.I know its its job to do the best he can for his guy, but when he says shit like that to the press,to me, he sounds like an asshole

  • William

    Similar situation? Nomaaaar……..

    • Brian S.

      Nomar’s is another hitter whose hitting really dropped off after age 30…WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING!?!?

  • Endlessmike

    Remember how Utley had a Hall of fame career till he hit 31.Hoefully Cashman plays hardball.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    So when does Randy Levine announce the 15 year / $600 million dollar extension, with player options and a no trade clause? Also, Cano will get an opt out clause which he’ll use at age 40 so Levine can re-up another 10 years.

  • Kiko Jones

    Barring a precipitous fall in production Canó needs to stay. Also, for the sake of fan perception, I doubt the Yankees will part that easily with a homegrown superstar, with the complete disappearance of the Core Four on the horizon.

  • Andrew Brotherton

    I think in keeping him and ponying up for a 10yr deal we are setting ourselves up for going through the same problems all over again of having players signed way past their prime, on far too long deals and not having any flexibility going forward. Just saying we are the Yankees is great and all but at some point you have to make smart business decisions and not look at the emotions behind it. I’ll take two of the examples I presented- The Royals- we would be in the same place as a franchise if the team traded Cano to the Royals for Will Myers, Christian Colon, and Mark Montgomery. 3 players that we would control for a long time for a very low price. The Pirates- Tailon or Cole, and Bell or Marte plus a few other pieces, once again we would have more lottery tickets including one top 5 pitcher in the minors with ace potential and another premium outfielder in the pipeline.

  • SteveInAla

    Apparently Boras has not learned from his previous Yankee experiences with AROD and the Damon Debacle. Robinson Cano will not like not playing in NY, especially when he and Boras are eating in some bad diner in Cleveland. I believe he should be fairly compensated but he also needs to realize that the open checkbook days are over at 161st and River Ave.

  • FreeAgentID

    Get a deal done Robinson, Yankees!

  • Willis

    Some awesome perspectives of how important that fans see baseball players!! Is cano a player that our Yankees can live and compete without ? Answer is absolutely, although he is a very solid player, 2nd baseman can be replaced, we cannot mortgage our future on this ball player. Pick up his option, make him an extension offer at a very fair market value. (6yr -100m) and if he don’t sign , send him packing to a NL city. I hope we are smart and tactical with this move, need future pitchers!