Dec
06

Barbarisi: Cashman lacked authority to make offers at Winter Meetings

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Via Dan Barbarisi: Team officials confirmed Brian Cashman came to the Winter Meetings this week without the authorization to make offers to free agents. The GM had to go to ownership and plead his case for the Kevin Youkilis offer and I assume the Nate Schierholtz offer as well.

One official downplayed the seriousness of the situation, saying most GMs have to approach ownership before handing out offers. Another confirmed that this is, however, a change of pace for the Yankees. Cashman had more authority in the past, so this jibes with the earlier report of his apparent frustration. Why did ownership scale back the GMs authority? Your guess is as good as mine.

  • Knoxvillain

    What the fuck? This makes no sense.

    • David N

      No sense at all. That’s like sending a guy to a gunfight without even a knife (forget about a gun).

      We knew these Yankees weren’t George’s Yankees, but it’s stuff like this that makes me wonder exactly how not George’s Yankees they’re going to be.

    • http://aol amanda

      ITS CALLED THROWING THE FANS UNDER THE BUS

      • jjyank

        Stop shouting.

        • Juke Early

          Yeah Amanda. Because there’s nothing here to shout about. Not one thing.

    • fat jeter

      Actually it makes a lot of sense. this is what happens when you operate with a budget. You can’t just go out and throw money around anymore. For all the 189 cry babies out there, please grow up. It shouldn’t take 220 mill to field a contender. And those of you threatening to not be fans anymore, please throw all of your memorabilia away and stop watching. I’m sure the impact this gesture will make will certainly force the hand of ownership.

      • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

        Hello, I just took a job placement test and it came up:

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        • fat jeter

          if i’m a troll then you are a fairy

          • Get Phelps Up

            Your handle tells us all we need to know.

            • fat jeter

              i am an overweight jeter fan?

              • Herby

                Get on that treadmill.

                • fat jeter

                  damn this walking boot!

      • CountZero

        So which of these positions do you hold then?

        (1) Cashman doesn’t know what the budget is
        (2) Cashman is too stupid to understand how an offer will impact the budget
        (3) Cashman can’t control himself and will exceed the budget even if he knows what it is

        Cashman is a big boy with a lot of experience and more knowledge of the Yankees than the people around him. He gets paid a boatload of money. If you’re saying he can’t be trusted to stay within the budget / adhere to the strategic mid-term plan, then truly you should fire him because he’s getting paid too much money to be that incompetent.

        Sorry — but it makes zero sense to me unless he is on his way out the door.

        • fat jeter

          What big name free agents did we miss out on? Chavez? Schierholtz? I mean seriously, the free agent market is incredibly overblown this year and while a one year deal here and there fills in holes, it leaves us with the same problem next year — needing to sign a guy within the budget. Its not indicative of Cashman not knowing how to do his job, it’s indicative of “we’re not going to spend money for the sake of spending money and keeping our dumb fan base happy”.
          the best way the yankees can improve is via trade. If there is no plan to re-sign Granderson or Cano, trade one or both of them. the return you could get would fill needs in a very cost effective manner. this is where the rubber hits the road so to speak. you can’t trim payroll and pretend you are going to win the world series every year.

          • CountZero

            I don’t disagree with any of that.

            My point is that it doesn’t make sense that Cashman had no authority to make an offer within the constraints which he is fully aware of. None of what you just wrote validates him having to ask mom and dad if it’s OK to offer Youk $12MM for one year. That offer has zero impact on the 2014 budget and is well within what one would expect the payroll to be this year.

            Unless — he isn’t in the loop on everything else that’s going on. Which to me would indicate he is on his way out.

            • fat jeter

              I’m picking up what you’re laying down. But I think that one year of Youk at however much money DOES affect 2014, because we will need a new 3B at that point, plus 2 starters, a closer, and maybe a SS, all within the 189 mil. budget. Cashman shouldn’t have the authority to go out and make whatever moves he wants, especially this year. Every move made has a domino effect for next year. A lot of GMs in the game need to go to ownership for approval or for more money. To me, Cash has had a pretty easy job so far, now he has to meet the same expectation within the constraints of a budget. There are going to be some growing pains associated with this transition. Nothing about this scenario makes me think that there is less faith in the front office for Cashman, just more caution across the board going forward. What the fuck so I know though, I’m just a troll.

    • Ornete

      If there were any doubt before, it’s now clear as day. The Yankees are being dressed up to be sold.

      • Knoxvillain

        Please move to the front, Mr. Cuban.

      • RetroRob

        There’s lots of doubt.

        Dressing a team up for sale should not include a weakened team that leads to declining attendance. A weaker team also will result in lower ratings and advertising dollars at YES, and the Yankees still take 25% of profits (if not more) from YES.

    • Ornette

      Think of the situation Hal is in. Presumably the Steinbrenner’s equity stake is no held in equal shares by all of the Boss’ children. However Hal has the responsibility to make the decisions and to work for the team. So he is probably conflicted between his decision making and his relationship with his siblings. Even though they are filthy rich, the steinbrenner kids, like all people are composed of individuals with different financial goals and opinions. It’s quite likely that a couple of the want to sell. If that’s the case, the longer Hal holds on, his relationship with his family deteriorates. Consider Hank. Sure he’s a douchebag, but he’s also a human being. By now he’s aware that he made a monumental mistake with the AROD contract. He’s also probably aware that he is ridiculed in the press. With the valuation at record levels, its very likely he is telling Hal that he wants to sell and move on.

    • dalelama

      In the corporate world this would be a tell that a change of ownership is around the bend.

  • 0-fur

    Too bad no one was around to scale back Hank Steinbrenner’s authority before he gave A-Rod that contract.

    • johnny

      Exactly. This payroll situation is at least in some respect Hank’s chickens coming home to roost.

    • Jonathan

      Not to mention Jeter’s deal would be considerably less than what it will end up being. Jeter was old and coming off a pretty terrible year. he should have gotten like $20MM and that would include the bonus for being Derek Jeter but ownership stuck their noses in it. Couple of seasons later

      • johnny

        I know its not my money, but it seems like this austerity plan might go a lot smoother a few years from now, when maybe we could fill in some of the gaps with the farm

        • Jonathan

          Absolutely…almost all of our talent just starting in AA or below. I know they all aren’t going to work out but I’m guessing one of Austin/Slade/Williams will be a viable MLB OFer. And I know those 3 and Sanchez would be worth a killing in the trade market if they were on the cusp of the big leagues so we could keep a few and trade a few depending on what we need. Right now the minor league cupboard is bare on what need…shitty timing. I really thought the $189 deal was sort of a possibility to plan for if everything went well..Like if our rotation was CC/Hughes/ManBan/Pineda/Nova and we’d save so much while still having a very good rotation that we could spend on offense and still have an elite team while saving the money…but if things went down like they did aka ManBan losing 2 years, Pineda maybe never throwing a pitch for us in a MLB game and Nova imploding, ARod/Jeter having major surgery, Tex declining and no one in the minors to help, that they’d just scrap it and do what it took to win. I was wrong.

  • Rich in NJ

    Assuming for the sake of argument that this is a change in Cashman’s authority, it does fit with my sense that Levine is becoming the main decision-maker on the Yankees, based on his increasingly higher profile and insistence on moves like the Soriano signing.

    I have said that it’s time for a new GM, but if Levine is the de facto GM, then the reincarnation of Branch Rickey might not make a difference.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I don’t know if I’d use Soriano to establish a pattern, but I also think we’d all prefer Cashman as decision-maker over Levine.

      • Jonathan

        Derek Jeter’s contract as well

  • Kvothe

    If this is true and is the way it’s going to be from now on, I don’t expect Cashman to be back after his contract expires regardless of whether the team wants him back or not.

    • CountZero

      Agreed.

  • dalelama

    The crumble of the empire continues….

    • Rich in NJ

      I think that’s a premature assessment (although I suspect it was intentional hyperbole), but the financial empire is still flourishing. Until and unless that changes, this management group will continue their high-fives.

      • jjyank

        If that’s the case, then dalelama uses intentional hyperbole in every comment he makes.

        • dalelama

          There is an impersonator on the loose as the real dalelama would never use such poor English.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    Yes…let’s take the decision making process away from baseball people and keep it for people who see nothing but dollars…

    • Slu

      That has occurred already. The Yankees are officially all about profit. Winning is secondary.

  • mrdbag

    Good to know the team is old, prices are high, and now scaling back payroll. Great time to be a Yankees fan!

  • Gonzo

    Did he not have authority to add to the budget (e.g., he was given a very strict budget) or was he just told he could make no signings?

    • Nick

      This is what I was wondering. My guess is the former.

  • Chris

    why did he even bother to go it seems like a waste of money and time on his and the teams behalf. The fact that he didnt have authorization pretty much tells the fans were not going to field a competent team this year. They should just trade who they can, get prospects and go into rebuidling. I think by the fans realize the payroll is going to be under 189 so most are ok with rebuilding. I would much rather they say “hey were retooling and seeing if we can get back to a great product and be under budget, then tell us all this bullshit about how we are still a great team and we have to be patient and the market is too high. As a frustrated fan the rhetoric we are hearing from ownership just pisses me off. I will always love the Yankees and will never not be a fan, but I can say that Hal Steinbrenner doesnt have the passion for the game his father did and that’s a damn shame.

    • Jonathan

      we won the most games in the AL last year..they were a great product last year and the only reason they wouldn’t be next is they’re just not willing to pay players anymore. It is a shame that somehow money is now more important than winning when it wasn’t like they had to take a loss to win…they’re making hundreds of millions, getting a new stadium and winning..now they just want MORE millions and don’t care as much about the winning.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        The saddest part of all is how they weren’t willing to pay Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte, and Mariano Rivera anymore.

        Oh, wait….

        • Jonathan

          Who had no standing on the 2014 payroll budget. It’s going to be very difficult to find players as talented as those 3 that are even remotely considering 1 year deals. If all is well and good please explain to me why they’re ok with not re-signing Swisher/Russell? If we brought those 2 back and said fuck $189MM do you really think the Steinbrenners money situation would change in a significant way? I mean I don’t have a look into their finances but I’m taking an educated guess that you have two situations: 1) filthy rich with maybe Ichiro in RF and garbage behind the plate and 2) filthy rich with Martin at C and Swish in RF.

      • TomH

        This Argument From Last Year’s Performance (or the Last 2 or 3 or whatever) is irrelevant. Teams can collapse in as little time as one year (1965, par exemple!). Even if Hal (no chip off the old block he) were not waving his tight fist, ARod, Jeter, Pettitte, and Rivera are all another year older and either coming back from serious injury or suffering new injury (ARod doing both).

        In fact, all it takes is a few months–or minutes–for a team’s owner to decide to change a 2-decades old policy, thereby adding financial insult to the injuries of old age, thereby condemning the GM to sniff among the second and third-rate or otherwise superannuated

        In the meantime, they also seem to have lost bench strength (a real plus for them last year).

        So, finally, who cares how the Yankees performed last year or the year before? One might as well start going on about 1939, although 1964 would be the more relevant memory.

    • jjyank

      “why did he even bother to go it seems like a waste of money and time on his and the teams behalf”

      Trade possibilities? For all we know, he’s got the framework of a deal that could solve some of the problems.

  • Mr Pappageorgio

    Used to be World Series at all costs!

    now it’s 189 189 189 189 189 189 189 189 189 189

    • Bob Buttons

      I’m humming William Tell Overture to that.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        When do the cannons kick in?

        • Bob Buttons

          When we start January with Stewart/Cervelli/Romine slated to start.

    • forensic

      dan gen?

      • Get Phelps Up

        To many capitol letters to be him.

  • Bob Buttons

    Well, this is nuts. The hell’s going on in Yankeeland? First we lose cheap FAs, now our GM has to ask for permission?! Mr. Levine, please do the world a favour and go play in traffic.

  • Athenian

    Two things: (1) I am glad to see the Yankees start to exercise financial responsibility. They are saddled, no they are burdened with too many fat contracts with no return. I don’t care how much they make; if the return on investment is not there, then the whole experiment is a loss. Continuing to spend their way out of poor farm system development, poor pitching development only gets them right where they are at – rewarding players for declining performance. I know that is current trend in corporate America but as Yankee fans, we cannot continue to feel good about a team paying $28 million for a guy who is going to perform at the level of the average MLB player. (2) MOST IMPORTANT… these changes are yet the strongest signal this team is being set up for sale. I don’t care what the SteinIdiots say about taxes, this team is being set up for sale. Their balance sheet needs better margins and payments for whatever they owe on the stadium need to be improved.

    Say hello to the New York Yankees of Fox News Corp. Or the New York Yankees from Down Under.

    • kenthadley

      I have agreed with point two, and have seen it coming for two years, particularly in the way they stopped spending money on IFA’s when they could have made a killing, prior to the new rules. Sorry, but I see parallels to what Topping/Webb did in the early 60’s prior to CBS. The only reaction that means anything is to stop buying tickets. We pay for YES regardless. The new mantra is “let them think we are contenders”. These Steins no more need to win a championship than they need someone to buy them a beer.

      • tommydee2000

        Nicely done. This is the post I would have written.

        • kenthadley

          I’ve been following these guys since 1957…the world wasn’t created in 1996……went thru 65-75, and 82-95….maybe it’s coming again, but I hope not…don’t think I have the patience to wait. I don’t think it will be nearly as bad as those eras, but you can easily make a case for becoming “ordinary” instead of what ole George’s vision was. Maybe new owners come in hungrier…certainly the Steinbros aint hungry. No ego, all pocketbook. We went from one extreme to the other…would be nice to be somewhere in the middle. When Yanks fail, fans suffer, but Steinbros are over the Washington Bridge by the 7th inning.

          • JFH

            82 thru 95 was pretty brutal, especially the 90-92 seasons. at least they were competetive with some of the 80’s teams.

            i am disappointed in the yankees offseason so far. one of the great things about being a fan of the yankees, is that one usually has a resonable hope that the team will take the fan’s money and reinvest in the team. i am not sure that will happen this year or the next.

            • Mem

              ’85 was a fun season.

  • FachoinaNYY

    Rampant speculation aside, do we have any idea what really is going on here?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Of course not.

    • Rich in NJ

      No, but I don’t see how making this story public is in anyone interests except Cashman.

      • Mike HC

        Yanks had a very entrenched reputation for overpaying players. It got to the point that guys would be insulted if the Yanks didn’t overpay them too, like what happened with Damon. Now, the Yanks have shifted that dynamic pretty drastically, by telling people they are no longer going to overpay for everyone. At first, not many people really believed it, but now, it is really starting to hit home. And agents, namely Boras, aren’t happy that a team raking in the money like the Yanks, are pulling back on salary, and are not expanding it.

        • Rich in NJ

          You don’t think they are going to overpay Cano?

          Actually, under George, he rarely set the market price, but he paid up to it repeatedly (which is what the rest of MLB hated) once it had been set. For example, he had agreed to (approximately, time has faded my memory) a $118m 7 year deal with Jeter, but refused to sign off on it until Juan Gone signed his $140m offer. That never happened, and in the interim, Texas signed A-Rod to that $250m contract, which subsequently raised Jeter’s price.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I’m pretty convinced they’re going to overpay Cano.

          • Mike HC

            I think all this nonsense definitely sets the stage for the Cano negotiation. Boras probably wants to subvert Cashman’s authority and deal directly with ownership. But in general, I don’t think the Yanks are going to massively overpay Cano. They will offer a very large, fair deal in line with other teams, and Cano will have to decide if he wants to play for the Yanks or not. If a team does in fact offer a mega 200 million dollar deal, the Yanks may very well not sign him.

    • dalelama

      We do know that at this moment we are a weaker squad than the one that just humiliated itself in the post season and there is no help coming from the farm system.

  • Reggie C.

    Cashman should at least have the authority to make ONE year tenders. One year tenders dont affect the bottom line for 2014.

    I understand the $189 MLN mark is important in the sense that it’ll give ownership and their people greater payroll flexibility in the future without getting killed by the luxury tax. I get it. That’s important.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Of course, we have no clue what that actually meant in practice or if it actually stopped the team from signing anyone, but let’s let our imagination run wild.

    On face value, of course I’m dissapointed. I want Brian Cashman making the personnel decisions here, not Randy Levine.

  • CashmanNinja

    I remember reading about how Cashman would have new found power with his new contract, but obviously ownership doesn’t think that way. I’m a huge Cashman backer (obviously), but you can’t really blame him for the current position. I’m pretty sure he’d have let A-Rod just leave and test the market after he opted out. The Yankees bid against themselves because I don’t think any other team would have offered that much, especially if the Yankees stated they wouldn’t enter a bidding war. That’s a huge chunk of change against the payroll as is. We can thank Hank Steinbrenner for that because he was desperate and rash. This is not Cashman’s fault.

    Want to know a move you can thank Cashman for? You can thank him for getting Ichiro for basically nothing at the trade deadline. You can thank him for getting Nick Swisher in an absolute STEAL of a trade. I can’t even really fault him for the Tex signing because chances are he was Boston bound, but oh well. I think we’re learning from this. Don’t bid against yourself and lock up premium positions whenever you can. 3B, SS, C, SP, CF are the hardest to come by. RP, 1B, corner OF, and 2B are the easiest to find replacements.

    He got us our starting pitching (albeit most are stop gaps) and I find it rather laughable how cheap the front office is being right now. The fact that he had to basically plead in order to spend $$ to try to get a 3rd basemen is insane. I realize if he wanted to go after a Greinke or Hamilton then fine…but Schierholtz and Youkilis (on a 1 year deal) will not break the bank at all. Part of me hopes he goes elsewhere and can REALLY have control over a team…let’s see what he can do without having front office or the Tampa guys butting into baseball affairs.

  • kevin w.

    Cashman deals with so much shit. I have no idea why he has kept the job so long. Don’t get me wrong, i’d love the opportunity to be the GM of the Yankees, but throughout his tenure he’s had to deal with so much bogus stuff. Hes probably aging at 150% the normal rate.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Five rings.

  • Gonzo

    This only makes sense if you see what’s coming next guys.

    THE DODGERS ARE BUYING THE YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Gonzo

      I, for one, welcome our new Dodger overlords.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I would love to enter Yankee Stadium from the upper deck.

      • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

        All your Yankeez are belong to us.

  • Murderers’ Row Boat

    So basically the Steinbrenners don’t give a shit how the team plays as long as they are making shed loads of money? Fuck you Steinbrenners.

  • 0-fur

    I guess this is better than the other extreme. Not too long ago the Yankees might have overpaid in dollars and years for Greinke and Hamilton because they got swept in the playoffs.

    • Slu

      This is not even remotely better than that.

  • Brazilian Fan

    Sad, this is sad.

  • Wayne

    I hope this doesnt mean we are gong to trade top pitching prospects away for a thirdbaseman who is too old.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      This is the one place where I can actually say “they don’t really currently have that type of pitching prospect” and not sound like a troll.

  • Payday

    You guys will appreciate this one:

    XXXX,

    What’s brought you out to Yankees games in the past? I have some new, great ways for you to save money and take advantage of the ticket opportunities you may not be aware of. Is there a good time and number to reach you?

    Regards,

    XXXX
    Account Executive
    New York Yankees
    Yankee Stadium

    My reply?

    Hi XXXX,

    Feel free to contact me anytime. However, I do not plan on purchasing ANY Yankees tickets until the front office distances itself from this $189M payroll threshold. Please forward my e-mail to Levine and Georgie’s sons. Old George is rolling over in his grave seeing the frugality of this new leadership.

    Thanks,
    XXXX

    Still waiting for a reply

    • Captain

      cool story bro.

      btw, not adding to the highest payroll in baseball is not being frugal. they’re still going to spend more money on player salaries this season than any other team in baseball.

      • mrdbag

        You sure showed them!! Rolls eyes

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Payday didn’t do much better.

      • All Praise Be To Mo

        The Dodgers will have something to say about this.

    • Rick

      You’ll probably be waiting a long time for a reply. You have made yourself the punch line of many jokes. As quoted above, “cool story, bro.”

    • jsbrendog

      nope, don’t appreciate it. kinda dumb. some fan you are.

    • Kiko Jones

      Nice.

  • Bill

    Count your money Hal the team is start going to lose attendence when they put a non superior team.

    Surprise Hal let Cashman come to the meetings thought he would save money if cashman did not show up.

    The Mets seemed like a bigger market team than the yankees in these meetings.

    NIce job Hal

  • http://aol amanda

    IT MEANS LAST PLACE

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Does it, Paul?

    • jjyank

      Tilapia, I thought you were taking care of this.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        They’re multiplying. Look below.

        • jjyank

          Damn it amanda, stop popping those little buggers out!

  • Captfrank

    Face the facts as george would call someone a fat toad now we all miss george for his passion to win. We now have jr and levine we were left with 2 fat toads and are passionless and do not want to win at all. Hey fans our money is what pays for them to become fat toads.I will alwsys be a yankee fan but i will not waist my money on games,shirts anything they profit from have your you fat toads .

    • Captain

      you know what the Yankees did the week before the Winter Meetings? spend $37M on 3 pitchers that will help them win this upcoming season. but yea totally, they’re not committed to winning or whatever BS you wrote.

  • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

    Steps to selling the team

    1. New Stadium – check
    2. Lucrative cable deal – Check
    3. drop luxury tax to a reasonable rate to make the books look better
    4. spend in 2015 to make the team elite again

    thats how i see this unfolding – steinbrenners junior dont care how fans look at them because they dont plan on being here for the long term

    • Murderers’ Row Boat

      They just see what Loria is doing and want in on that action. It’s pathetic. If this story is true I’m no longer buying Yankee tickets.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        We have a winner for the biggest piece of hyperbole ever. What’s the prize?

        • Murderers’ Row Boat

          Loria’s business model is profit > winning, and the Steinbrenners seem to be going down that road. The Boss was Winning > Profit.

          It’s just that simple.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            That’s so beyond ridiculous I don’t even think you believe it.

            • Murderers’ Row Boat

              Well this budget is either about two things. The Yankees want to reset the luxury tax rate they pay by getting under the threshold by 2014. Then they are going to spend like drunken sailors.

              Or they see tens of millions of their dollars going out the door in luxury tax money every year and would rather that money go into their pockets.

              Which one is it?

              • Captain

                whats the big problem with the 2nd one? they’re paying money to teams that are pocketing the money themselves. that money isn’t going to players or anything that benefits the Yankees organization. why wouldn’t they decide that keeping that money is better than just giving it away?

                • Murderers’ Row Boat

                  Because Yankee fans except the team to spend money to make the team better, no matter if they made a profit or not. Now they care more about profit than they do winning. Winning at all cost has been the Yankee mantra since 1974.

                  As much as I bust on The Boss here, that’s the one thing I always admired about him. He wanted to win as much as the fans did.

                  • jsbrendog

                    you realize they dont owe shit to the fans right? because if you decide to stop going like some ignorant crazy person someone else will.

                    • jsbrendog

                      like me, a true fan, who will go see them play whether they’re first or last palce BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU FUCKING DO WHEN YOURE A FAN OF A GODDAMNED SPORTS TEAM!!!

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      I’ve got you right where I want you.

                      Love,
                      Woody Johnson

                    • Kiko Jones

                      Have you seen footage of the games at YS from the ’80s and early ’90s? Empty seats galore. Think it can’t happen again?

              • Robinson Tilapia

                All of this tea leaf reading we’re doing as to the front office still doesn’t change that what we’ve heard from the team more resembles your first paragraph, although I think there will always be some smart restraint which holds them back from being drunken sailors.

                They have the right to make money, but I think we all have the right to expect ownership to do their best to field a championship caliber team every season as a Yankee fan. I still think they’re trying to that within some limits.

      • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

        They are not even close to the marlins level – they still have a huge payroll and they arent selling off players. the problem is all the huge contracts are making them operate like a small market team…

        and speaking of the marlins – they are one of the reasons that i have a hard time getting pissed at the steinbrenners for wanting to get under 189 – they want to give less money to theives like loria

    • Herby

      Cuban-Jeter 2016

  • Dan

    This is all happening because the front office is going to start taking offers on the team. I guarntee this team is under new ownership by 2015

    • http://aol amanda

      maybe trump will buy the yankees

      • Herby

        I’d become a Ray’s fan

        • Get Phelps Up

          I’m sure you won’t be missed.

          • Herby

            Probably not…sometimes intelligent comment is the last one people want to hear.

      • jjyank

        Good lord I hope not.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        maybe you’ll shave your balls

      • Bo Knows

        Great, then Yankees will be exactly like the Dodgers prior to being bought….in the hands of the US legal system while the owner is fighting with his soon to be ex all the while going through bankruptcy

  • Blah

    Quick question:

    What happens if the Yanks stay under 189 for this upcoming year? Does that reset the tax penalties or do they need to do it specifically for 2014?

    If they do it for 2013, and the reset happens in 2013, then that means they have all the money in the world for re-signing Cano in 2014 right?

    • Gonzo

      The threshold is $178mm this year I think, so nothing would happen if they were over that.

    • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

      the 2013 tax threshold is much lower. dont think its possible for them to get under in 2013

    • gageagainstthemachine

      I don’t think that’s even close to being the case. Which is why there is no article/blog talking about the Yankees getting under 189 for THIS season. I think there’s a very reason every article on 189 also includes specifically the year “2014” almost immediately after the “189” reference. Again, don’t ask me how as I’ve almsot completely given up on understanding the 189 crap and am just sticking to “fan mode”.

      • jsbrendog

        good way. dont bother being informed or knowing FACTS, just yell how stoopit they are and how you wont go and want to become a mets fan or some shit. goddammit, why do i come here?! wtf is wrong with me, i must me a masochist

        • Henry Krinkle

          Agreed. if I have to read 189 or 1965 one more time, I may stab my eyes out.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Because we love you, jsbrendog.

  • Elton Cod

    How is this a “mystery”?

    It’s obvious. The Steinbrenners want to hoard more money for themselves. They have already done the hard work of being born the sons of George Steinbrenner. Now they just want to get their due. Maybe they will field mediocre teams in the name of “keeping under the luxury tax”; maybe they really are planning to sell. I hope the latter…maybe then we’ll get owners who actually give a shit about the team instead of profits.

    I imagine these Steinbrenners managing the team in the 50s and 60s. “We already have a good outfielder in Joe DiMaggio…why do we need this Mantle kid? I heard he’s injury-prone, and a drunk. Let’s get rid of him and bring up Chris Dickerson. Have to keep under the salary cap and all.” It’s despicable.

    It’s 1928. “We have plenty of power hitters. Ruth AND Gehrig is just redundant. Get rid of one, Hank needs to build a tennis court on the roof of his beach house. Yes, his regular house already has a tennis court on the roof, but the beach house needs one too.”

    • Elton Cod

      It’s 1985. “Okay, is Mattingly willing to take a 1-year deal for twice the veteran’s minimum? No? Fine, let him sign with the Pirates. He is done for and we have plans for the future, like making money.”

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Mattingly was in his….second full season in the majors in 1985?

    • Grit for Brains

      So very true.

      They weren’t born into Minnesota Twins ownership they were born into New York Yankees ownership and they should act like it.

      • Captain

        act like it meaning continuing to have the highest payroll in baseball even after the $189M stuff?

        • Grit for Brains

          Yea they won’t have the highest payroll in baseball…I’m sure they’ll have the most revenue though

    • jjyank

      To steal a move from this fish I know…

      *flush*

    • Rick

      What a ridiculous post. Let’s bring up 1928 when there was no such thing as free agency. Players didn’t exactly have a choice of where they played or how much they got paid once they signed until that little thing called the “reserve clause” was listed. I’m assuming you could rebut this statement and say they could always not sign the contract. However, then they could also not major league baseball. You know Mickey Mantle won the triple crown and got a pay cut the following year, right?

  • Knoxvillain

    This explains a lot, but it’s really fucking irritating. Please no to Levine.

  • forensic

    Not the end of the world, but the combination of everything really makes this a very disillusioning week.

    It can’t end soon enough…

  • Rick

    But we are all still aboard the fire cashman train, right? I mean, it’s obviously still his fault he didn’t sign everyone’s favorite free agent.

  • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

    What irks me beyond the idea that Levine and/or the Bros. Stein are making baseball decisions is the fact that this is out there. It just reeks of disfunction, something I thought we’d left mostly behind (Soriano signing notwithstanding). I don’t buy that this is all a set up or prelude to the Cano negotiation. At all. This just stinks. If we took the confidence poll I’d drop from my usual 7-8 to a 5.

  • Oneill21

    Look for the team to be sold soon. Is Mark Cuban still availble?

  • Rick

    But we’re all still on the “Fire Cashman” train, right? I mean now that it’s proven to be his fault that he didn’t sign everyone’s favorite FA. Off with his head!

    • Athenian

      OMG!!!!!! I love this sarcastic post! You’d think that by now Yankee fans would realize that anything that is said from the “organization” is a bunch of fucking bullshit. Their motto of transparency is rooted in the same context that politicians tell the truth.

      So perhaps this will clear the air that Cashman isn’t an incompetent fuck, he just works for Gordon Gecko and their curly headed clone.

  • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

    what worries me much more than the 189 is why they are not making better one year offers or no offers at all…couple that with their half-hearted pursuits of darvish and cepedes (two players whose reasonably low AAV would have benefitted their pursuit of <189) and I just dont understand what is going on here.

  • David Brown

    I am not going to guarantee the team will be sold. Wait until you see the tax bill and limitation of deductions coming out of Washington first. One of the biggest involves Roster Depreciation Alllowance…….
    “Depreciation usually refers to the loss in value of a tangible asset… a car, a piece of equipment, a plot of real estate. The asset loses value over time, and that “loss” is included in a business’ balance sheet.

    “When Bil Veeck bought the Chicago White Sox in 1959, he made the assertion that ballplayers “waste away” over time, and claimed depreciation of the value of their contracts on his taxes. The Internal Revenue Service, remarkably, bought it. Since then, owners of pro sports teams have been able to use the so-called “roster depreciation allowance” to offset profits and gain a tax advantage….. The roster depreciation allowance does have limits; it can only be used on deals in place when a team is purchased.” (What is the roster depreciation allowance?
    basketball.about.com › … › NBA CBA GlossaryShare (Sounds like Alex Rodriguez, doesn’t it?). Another one is about Mortgage Deductions: Right now, The Yankees can write-off a big part of the mortgage interest payments on Yankee Stadium. That deduction may be eliminated. Needless to say, if they both deductions occur, the Franchise will be less valuable then before, and will get a lower cost (Not to mention higher income taxes).

    • Rick

      Interesting tidbit about Veeck. Does that truly exist today? Thanks for sharing the little novelty.

      • David Brown

        It still exists. This article was related to the Detroit Pistons new owners (Although the origin goes back to Veeck). The key term in the article is Since then. If the Steinbrenners sold to a new owner, the Arod Contract can be writen off.

    • TomH

      He was a smart (albeit slightly loopy) guy. I remember sitting in a dentist’s waiting room and reading an article by him, ca. 1964, that predicted the imminent collapse of the Yankee dynasty.

  • Herby

    Now wouldn’t it be fitting if they do make the team suck so much to get under the $189 level and it hurts team performance to the point that fans stay away, and they lose the money in revenue that they would’ve saved from going under the 189 threshold.

    • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

      scott boras’ ears are ringing somewhere

  • mike

    Cash’s authority is not just paycheck – it was on taking on money, which meant trades as well.

    I dont see it as holding onto the pursestrings – i see it as Cash’s authority being scaled back because a) his player deelopment sucks – even including the ability to overpay IFA b) he is not a shrewd dealmaker and c) we also dont know what deals Cash killed but others on the team really liked to do.

    It seems the only guy going to the press these past years is cash to complain about things – Soriano, Arod etc. – but i wonder what he didnt pull the trigger on which is now haunting him

  • The Real Greg

    I have no idea what this suggests at all. Why even bother turning up to the meetings without anything to do?

    Secondly is if it s true that this is going to lead to the Yankees being put up for sale, why do it? When did the Yankees become a poisoned commodity?

  • LK

    The Yankees are either playing possum incredibly well, or there’s a chance they’re going to be a pretty bad team next year.

    • Athenian

      somewhere in between. They are falsely assuming players like Tex, Grandy, and even ARod (when healthy) will find their groove. Sadly, it is the equivalent of hoping to win the power ball.

      These players are in offensive declines and it is only going to get worse. You have now entered the era where the Yankees will sell fans on the tradeoff of 40 HR’s usurping 190 strikeouts and the “threat” Tex and ARod types present to other teams. But honestly who fears a singles hitter and fly ball hitter. (luckily Tex still has stellar defense, so that just makes him the complete opposite of Giambi, well almost the complete opposite)

  • MikeD

    This just in: Yankees to move to Montreal and be the Expos II

  • Jeremy

    With luxury tax rules finally being smart. Let Nunez Adams romine get to play. Like jeter in 96. No more deals like arods that shoot team in foot down road. Short deals. Save money so more to spend on players on future instead of luxury tax

    • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

      their model of playing vets who had big salaries and disregarding the luxury tax worked pretty well for a decade and a half

  • Bubba

    I’m having a tough time seeing how this is good in any way, shape or form.

  • Bubba

    I’m having a tough time seeing how this is good in any way, shape or form.

  • OldYanksFan

    I agree it’s fucked up, but here’s a thought.

    Cashman’s main concern is putting the best team on the field as possible.
    The Steinettes main concern is making money, which includes looking out for the brand.
    These 2 things overlap, but do not always work in concert.

    The ARod and Jeter cases are prime examples.
    Based on ‘baseball value’, neither was worth their last contract, and Cashman would have NEVER made those offers.
    However, the Steinettes/Levine can spend money on ‘Non-on-the-field’ issues.

    So while I dont like seeing Cashman undercut, there is always a difference beyween ownership goals and management goals.

    It’s s shitty fact of life for good managers.

  • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

    what a turn of fate for cashman – for years he had the deck stacked in his favor with ownership willing to go out and spend anything (within reason of course)…now he not only has a super strict budget, but he is hamstrung with large long term commitments (some dead weight some not) which take up a significant chunk of that budget.

    wish i could say “now he gets the chance to prove he can work with a strict budget”, but I don’t think that’s fair. This is looking more and more like there is not much that CAN be done

  • BK2ATL

    Pretty sure that if this is true, we’ll soon find the Yankees also shopping for a new GM. This just makes no sense. I really don’t think any Yankees’ GM needs this headache every year.

    Rather than allowing Cashman to seriously bid on younger players like Keppinger or Scherholz, his hands are tied and he can’t be quick and nimble enough to make serious offers to them, and at a more than reasonable cost. Now we’re back to the old past-his-prime, might give us a good season or might be injured often type of player like Youklis for $12M???

    I’m not sure what the direction of this offseason will be so far. Sounds like we’ll be plugging back in older players (Kuroda, Pettitte, Mariano, Ichiro, if not Youklis, then A. Jones again, etc.) and hoping for the best again.

    No doom and gloom here, just confusing to watch this play out, esp. when it certainly appears that we’re not even in on Justin Upton nor Mike Stanton, young RH OF upgrades to a team desperately lacking RH OF punch, and potential offensive replacements WHEN Cano AND Granderson both leave after 2013.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “Rather than allowing Cashman to seriously bid on younger players like Keppinger or Scherholz, his hands are tied and he can’t be quick and nimble enough to make serious offers to them, and at a more than reasonable cost. Now we’re back to the old past-his-prime, might give us a good season or might be injured often type of player like Youklis for $12M???”

      Keppinger’s not as young as you think he is. Shit, neither is Schierholz.

      • BK2ATL

        28 is a whole lot closer to young than a beaten-up 36 or 38….LOL!!!!

        You’re expecting these guys to play significant innings over the 1st half of the season. That’s been a major problem for Youklis.

  • Thunder Road Runner

    We’ll see how the Steinbrenners like it when their pricey pleasure palace is half empty come August…

  • wow

    if these financial constraints will become the norm, they might as well trade the big pieces now before they lose them in FA. I’m sure they can get something sold to above average from trades involving Granderson, Cano, Phil Hughes, and Ivan Nova.

  • TopChuckie

    I’m not buying it. Cashman has always seemed to be the most patient of the front office. Levine was the one who insisted on making some kind of splash, even if it was throwing money at Soriano when relief pitching wasn’t really a need or priority. That wasn’t a penny pinching move. I would be far more inclined to believe Cashman just doesn’t like the options right now and would prefer to take a chance on letting the market come to him, as it has in the past. It may be a gamble and may backfire, but it seems more consistent with Cashman’s philosophy than the rest of the FO. Plus if they really didn’t want to spend this year, why bother with Kuroda at $15M. I can see Mo and Pettitte just to sell tickets on a farewell tour, but Kuroda doesn’t carry any of that added value.

    • Herby

      I really didn’t see a must have free agent the Yankees had to have at the Winter meetings…Shierholtz might’ve been an interesting signing, but not a game changer. None of the Yankee moves they made, or didn’t make will probably make that much of a difference to the team next year. Hunter might’ve been a good option of the OF. There is still a lot of time and moves to be made. The only thing that really concerns me is the idea of Cashman having to check in to make any moves, depending on the level to what that went it speaks of to who is really running the team now. That kind of tells me of a team in disarray and looking more toward financial goals and not team goals.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        We still don’t truly know what that means, though. We’re not in the front office. You make a ton of sense, but also known that about 95% of the comments above yours are literally being pulled out the commenter’s ass.

  • Frank

    Mike mentioned this and is 100% correct….

    This is an old team with bloated contracts and not enough young talent. The young arms are non-existent at this point and there are no big time hitters at the upper levels of the system either. Right now, it’s imperative that they start acquiring young talent to supplement the aging talent that they’re stuck with for the next few years. However, they’re worried about 189MM so they can’t do that which means in two years they will be two years old and the young talent will still be missing. Yes, they’ll start (presumably) spending at that point, but it will take time for that money to pay off in all likelihood. Just bad timing all around…they should be trying to acquire upton, not missing on keppinger.

  • Pudge

    I understand the idea of being financially responsible but come on Steinbreneers this is the yankees and we have high expectations of winning a world series every year.

    If you put an old team in combo with players that are less than average you will get what for what you put into it.

    If this team starts slacking off and losing games frequently then attendance might decrease, thus less profits. Like I said it’s smart to be financially responsible but at the same time at least put an effort in so when we take the field each game that we have a great chance of winning games on a consistent basis.

  • James

    It’s one thing to try and win with a $189M payroll, it’s another thing entirely for Levine to try and win with a $189M payroll. That’s a disaster waiting to happen.

    If, of course, Cashman’s authority has indeed been eclipsed.

  • $189

    None of this surprises me. When the Stien’s announced the $189 budget, I thought the writing was on the wall that they were going to take a few big paydays and sell. There would be no reason in the world to sell this team before taking those big paydays in 2014 and 2015. They have know basically sold YES giving Murdoch control down the road.

    I’m not even sure that a bad Yankee team is any less valuable as a WS winning team, as the buyer knows the revenues the Yankees are capable of generating, and a bidding war akin to what took place in LA is almost certainly going to take place. If my thoughts on the matter are correct it makes very little sense for the owners of the Yankees to keep pumping money into them, they just need to keep the stadium full enough not to loose them too money, and at $189 they should be able to do that.

    • Tom Swift

      On the other hand, if they want to sell, 2012 is the year to sell. Tax rates are going up significantly in 2013.

      • $189

        I have no idea what people pay in taxes on a sale as big as the Yankees or their ways to get around them. I also dont know, assuming they actually had to pay all the taxes on a higher tax rate, if that offsets the amount of money they can siphon out of the Yankees for the next 2 or 3 years.

    • Bronx Bomber

      Unfortunately, about 16% of that budget is tied up in A-Rod and he can’t even contribute until June or July at the earliest and there are a lot of holes to plug up (C, RF and now 3B as well as bench spots). Will be interesting to see if Cashman can get things done via trades rather than 1 year contracts.

  • dan gen

    trade cano and anyone else that is good…move the team to trenton because this team is minor league all the way

  • Rick

    Don’t worry. Soon the Yankees will be owned and run by the Dolan family.

  • pc

    maybe if the fo had listened to cashman when he was against resigning arod after he opted out (hank disagreed) then the nny wouldn’t be in the situation they are in today, of course any of the sons taking blame for anything is doubtful at best.

  • craig

    Overreact much?

    The Yankees moved on from Swisher who is going to get too much $ and too many years from some team.

    The Yankees moved on from Martin, perhaps because the team felt he was struggling offensively and had slipped a bit this year, so he wouldn’t be worth the money on a 2 year deal.

    The Yankees signed Pettitte, Kuroda and Mo…good stuff.

    A-Rod got hurt.

    A bunch of marginal, replacement level and slightly above craptastic guys got signed for more money and/or more years than they were worth, so the Yankees passed on them, too.

    What is the big deal? There are 4 months until opening day. The Yankees passed on players that do not make a significant difference in the grand scheme of things (some just weren’t very good at all, really). Is there still work to be done? Sure.

    Is the season lost? Of course not.

    All of this overreaction, “the Yankees are cheap” and “George is rolling over” talk is so weak. You want instant gratification? Go play a video game or j*** off. Building a team and replacing players sometimes takes a bit more time and massaging to get right.

    Grow up already. You sound ignorant and stupid. You will learn a lot more by listening and keeping your mouths shut.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    While I like that Cash is doing nothing it seems like it’s not planned. Which worries me.

  • craig

    Cash is the GM of the Yankees. I think he is smart enough to have a plan.

  • Jeff

    Hal needs to go. He sees this team like the horses he had to manage. Hank is more like his father. Bring back Hank.

  • Juke Early

    Cashman needs to make a fast trade for a bag of balls. Starting to pretty much hate Hal Steinbrenner & his sycophantic suits. We have a case of somebody making daddy pay for all those times he pushed the kid around and/ignored him. Hal’s showing George post mortem, how he can run the NYY better than George could i.e. – run into the ground.

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