Feinsand: Swisher heading to Cleveland


If you were holding out hope the Yankees would swoop in and unexpectedly re-sign Nick Swisher, you can forget about it now. Mark Feinsand reports the switch-hitter has agreed to a four-year, $56M deal with the Indians that includes a $14M vesting option for a fifth year.

Cleveland has a protected first round pick (#5 overall), but that doesn’t matter as far as the Yankees are concerned. They were going to receive the same supplemental first round pick no matter where he signed. The Tribe forfeits their second rounder instead. Swisher was easily one of Brian Cashman‘s best pickups, a tremendously durable and productive outfielder who cost Wilson Betemit and two prospects whose names you don’t remember.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League


  1. Will says:

    Sigh. This team delves further in mediocrity every passing day.

  2. Nick says:

    I’m super lazy so I would have loved to have worked for the Yanks’ front office during this offseason.

    • mrdbag says:

      This roster gives me diarrhea…. fire cash

    • Drew says:

      Agreed, say what you want about Swisher’s postseason performance, he was a great fit for the Yankees and its a shame that ownership opted for a 39 year old (who I am convinced that he is on the roster more for revenue purposes than baseball purposes) than an in his prime player. Disappointing day for sure. At least fans of Cleveland won’t have to worry about his postseason performance.

      • JU says:

        You’ll get no argument from me about how bad the ichiro deal is, but there is no correlation between him and swisher. Swisher is making 2mil more this year (yr one of a potentially 5yr deal) than ichiro will make over the totality of his contract. They were never spending that money for those yrs on swisher. Ichiro had zero to do with it. That being said, the ichiro deal is awful and as u said, likely has more to do with marketing him than him being a quality player.

  3. Countryclub says:

    So most likely 5/70. Pretty much what most of us expected.

  4. ChristisKing says:

    Thank You Swish! You did nothing in the post season, but you were a pretty cool guy. Bleacher Creatures gonna miss you. Ichiro doesn’t have half the personality, though I dont think he’ll be starting in RF.

  5. paul a says:

    Well, at least he won’t have to worry about his post season failures anymore,because he won’t seee a post season for a long time.

  6. DERP says:

    Swisher was awesome. I am going to miss him.

  7. mrdbag says:

    The hits just keep on coMing. Cashman does not have the desire anymore he’s made his money

    • Will says:

      Don’t blame Cash. Ownership is handcuffing him. They didn’t give him any money or authority to work with this offseason. The Steinbrennner brothers surely are running this beautiful franchise into the ground. Refusing to spend in all ways (free agents, draft and internationally before the the new CBA) and raising ticket prices while eliminating the fan friendly StubHub.

      • ClayDavis says:

        I’m getting so irrationally angry this offseason. I hate these guys.

        • johnnybk says:

          The 50 million they have tied up per year on 3b and 1b are handcuffing them. I liked the Tex signing and hated the a rod signing, but either way this is what happens a few years down the road if players didn’t age the way you thought they would. I’m not saying those players have no value, but those are the contracts that are making money tight.

          • ClusterDuck says:

            Wise post.

            I too liked the Tex signing and criticized the A-Rod signing. And it’s the A-Rod signing that is hurting the budget today and for several years to come.

            And would add that the Swish price was way too expensive.

  8. jjyank says:

    I think we all knew he wasn’t coming back deep down, but I really wanted him to. I’ll miss you, Swish.

    • Jacob says:

      Yep it really sucks, I had hope that cash might screw over the front office for the sake of the team but I guess not, I love you swish have fun in cleveland we will miss you!

  9. Blake says:

    Hope Yankee fans remember Swish for the good things….that he was a tremendous value….that he helped them get to the playoffs 4 times…..all the charity work he did….etc.

    I really hate to see him go…..especially for a pretty reasonable contract

  10. Ton Lon ton says:

    Bring up mason Williams now

  11. Richard Leo says:

    it is too bad. it is a reasonable price for swisher

  12. Josh S. says:

    I liked Swish, but do not think he’s worth the amount Cleveland paid for him even for the Yankees. Seemed like a fun guy but time to move on.

  13. DERP says:

    At least he didn’t sign with Baltimore or Boston. It would have been much worse to see him mash with them.

  14. Matt DiBari says:

    However it may have ended, I will always be grateful to Swisher for ridding this team of Wilson Betemit.

  15. Alkaline says:

    Ack. I held out some small hope we would resign him. I loved his personality and what he did for the team.

  16. Aly says:

    While we don’t have a terrible team, we could have been so much better with just 2 or 3 key signings. These guys were relatively reasonable contracts. Unless something unexpected happens, we are missing the chance to “go out with a bang” before we go to the all-rookie team in 2014. Would like to see Andy, Jeter, and Mo have the best chance for 1 more ring.

  17. Dropped Third says:

    Damn 5yr 70mil… Good for him!

  18. thenamestsam says:

    At that price in this market, he’s a tremendous value. I really would have liked to see them bring him back and find a way to shift the other pieces to make it work. Seeing some favorites leaving because of money is a new experience for me as a Yankees fan. Can’t say I’m loving it.

  19. Will says:

    I wish the Yankees didn’t care so much about “mental makeup” or players being a “positive club house presence”. Then they could’ve signed Hamilton or at least Melky Cabrera to plat RF.

    • jjyank says:

      Meh. Hamilton was probably more concern of physical breakdown and Melky has some question marks about his performance going forward in addition to the baggage. I don’t regret passing either of those 2.

    • Jacob says:

      Why anyone still wants hamilton is beyond me, the guy can barely stay healthy and is a complete airhead

    • MannyGeee says:

      Melky Cabrera has a LOTTTTTTT to prove before he can show that he’s worth $9M per… First off he needs to show that he’s the Melky Man of San Fran (or even KC) and not the Melky of Atlanta.

      And $25m was a lot for Hamilton, regardless of mental makeup. More concerned with physical makeup.

  20. turd surfer says:

    Good for him. Swish was good to us. Not exactly Werth money.

  21. DGH says:

    Man I’m gonna miss him. Great teammate, great in the clubhouse, solid production… This offseason feels like we’re the kid watching all the other kids open up Christmas presents.

  22. 42isNotMortal says:

    I don’t believe 5/70 is much of a bargain. Swish doesn’t have a big arm for a RF so I question him being a liability defensivly sooner then later. The SH/OPS aspects will be missed, but his hits came in bunches and a streaky FB hitter under contract through his age 37 season would be just more of the same geriatric madness the Yanks need to start shying away from.

    Great value in hindsight and even initially really, but like most FA, he will be getting paid peak years money for declining results.

    • Evan3457 says:

      Bingo. He might have a big year or two in Cleveland before the decline sets in, especially out of the spotlight, but the Yankees would have regretted signing him to a long-term deal well before it was over.

  23. Elton Cod says:

    Cleveland sounds like a smart choice for old Swish-e-roo. They have even less of a chance of making the playoffs the next few years than the Yankees do. So, there’s no chance of Swishy embarrassing himself and his team by completely falling apart at the plate in the postseason and then blaming the fans.

  24. KayGee says:

    Off the top of my head, Jeff Marquez and Jhonny Nunez?

  25. Ryan says:

    Yankees need to change their policy on extensions. Probably could’ve worked out a deal with swish a while ago and got him for 4/40 but once he hit his final year it was probably more like 4/44 and FA led to 4/56. Yankees should’ve tried to lock up cano when boras said they could throw those options out and work a new deal, give him 8 ys then would be like 6 yrs now. I imagine cano could get 200 mill next yr from someone in free agency. Why not extend Robertson and save avv for 2014? Same for Gardner no? Could save a mill here and there allowing more money to compete under the new luxury tax threshold.

    • Kosmo says:

      I seriously doubt Cano receives a 200 million dollar contract.

      • Ryan says:

        You think he’s signing for less than what tex got? Why do you thing he hired boras ? 8 yrs 180 would give him an annual salary of 22.5. Do you really thing he’s signing for less than 8 yrs? I don’t. 22.5 mill per year is what locking him up long term will cost at the very least especially with all the money teams will have moving forward.

        • Mike HC says:

          He may get 200, but I agree with Kosmo that I doubt it. My prediction is that the Yanks re sign him to around 7 for 168 mil, 24 aav. I could easily see an 8 year deal like Tex’s though too.

          • Kosmo says:

            Tex was 28-29 when he signed for 8 years. If Cano was 2-3 years younger then I could see a 200 mil contract.

            • Mike HC says:

              True. I do think he gets 7 years though. So an 8th year, in my mind, wouldn’t shock me.

            • Herby says:

              3 years ago though they didn’t even think Cano would be the player he is today…there were concerns he would even be capable of being able to hit 5th, and there were a lot of calls for him to be traded. So more than likely a cheaper extension could’ve been had, especially before Boras entered the picture.

        • Kosmo says:

          A 31 yr old 2B getting an 8 year contract. I don´t see it. I agree 22.5 per is a reasonable figure but maybe over 6 years. I don´t see many teams, outside the Dodgers, willing to sign Cano for over 6 years.

          • Mike HC says:

            Swisher and Hamilton just signed 5 year deals. So a 6 year deal seems the absolute minimum Cano would get and basically a steal considering Boras is his agent.

            • jjyank says:

              I agree with most of what was said up above. There’s always the possibility someone hands Cano $200 mil, but Teixeira is a terrible comp. He plays a position that will age better and was younger at the time of the signing.

              Ian Kinsler currently has the highest contract for a second baseman, correct? Off the top of my head, I think it was 5/75. Obviously Cano is going to blow past that, but will he actually get almost 2.5 times of that money? I seriously doubt it.

              • Mike HC says:

                Yea, Tex is a terrible comp. It was only brought up in terms of similar dollars, not because of any parallel of a similar situation.

                If Kinsler got 5 years, and like you say, Cano is obviously going to blow past that, do you think that means only one extra year? To me, 6 is the minimum. 8 seems like the max. So 7 is most likely. Maybe I was a bit high with the 24 aav though Just my speculation. I predicted 7 for 168 above. What do you predict?

                • jjyank says:

                  Just like my trade proposals, I’m sure my free agent contract proposal sucks too. I think 7/168 is a fair guess though, and I would sign Cano to that deal in a heartbeat.

                  $168 mil is more than twice the dollars that Kinsler got. You gotta imagine GMs are going to use his contract as a comparable when negotiating.

                  • Mike HC says:

                    GM’s will bring it up, and then Boras will get a hearty laugh about it. Just about the only think Cano and Kinsler have in common, is that they both play 2nd base.

                    • jjyank says:

                      Well everyone knows that middle infielders are bad at getting old, so that Kinsler contract is a good starting point IMO. Like I said, he’s gonna blow past it because Cano is just flat out better, but I also think that his position will limit the longevity of the deal.

                    • Mike HC says:

                      I definitely see what you are saying with the 2nd base thing. But Cano could have easily played third base, and shifting to third in the future is not hard to envision. So keeping him in that “2nd baseman don’t age well box” just doesn’t sit right with me. I completely understand what you are saying though, and maybe I just don’t want to believe Cano is about the fall off in a couple of years.

                    • jjyank says:

                      I’ve long been an advocate of moving Cano to third over the course of a long term deal. I imagine that possibility will be discussed in negotiations.

                  • Mike HC says:

                    Also, I think Utley got a 7 year 85 million dollar deal. Which would definitely be better ammo for GM’s than Kinsler’s deal I would think.

                  • OldYanksFan says:

                    Another comp:
                    When Teix signed with the Yanks, he was 29, with a career OPS+ of 130.
                    Cano will be 31, and so far has a career OPS+ of 123.

                    Logic would say Cano gets a lesser contract, nore like 6/$126m or 7/$140m. But there is always a GM out there who will overpay, so Robbie will get more then he’s worth.

              • Ryan says:

                I get that 1B is a better position regarding longevity and that tex was younger. My argument isn’t about what’s fair or even logical but what these teams with new revenue’s will spend to acquire a middle of the order bat and elite Defense at an infield position. I think the dodgers just scare me along with a few other teams ready to mindlessly spend. Top that with boras and I fear a mega deal or worse cano singing with the angels.

  26. DERP says:

    I haven’t been reading the comments much lately. Is every thread just people bitching and moaning about the payroll?

  27. turd surfer says:

    This isn’t the offseason to bitch guys. Next year is.

  28. Jedua says:

    Swisher was a Bad Bad deal for the white sox when you see what they give up and what they got back.

    Even the yankees got a first round pick out of him.

  29. Mike HC says:

    Definitely happy that Swisher got paid. He deserved it. But I’m happy the Yanks weren’t the ones to do it. Even without the 189 I think passing on Swisher would be a good move. With the 189, no brainer.

  30. stuart a says:

    i am sure swisher will help the Indians quite a bit in the playoffs. He has only come up big in the playoffs, he is all about winning…

    2013 should be a big down year for the yanks. a year older, no new young blood added to the team, pipe dream that they find some magic.

    glad swisher is gone, over 30, mega choker, had 4 tries to hit in the playoffs failed miserably…

    move on……

    • Jacob says:

      Go fuck your buddy paul a, and then suck off elton cod. Seriously no one fucking likes the three of you and your negative ass troll comments. I wish Mike could just block the fuck out of you.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      Instead of bitching about what the Yankees do, why don’t you go over to your favorite team’s blog and bitch about them giving a 30 year old an 8 year contract for $138 million?

      And his post season (granted, it’s only one year because the Mets suck) line is 216/310/378, although that was brought down by his stellar NLCS performance of 160/276/320.

    • jjyank says:

      I hope you are sharing your surplus pants.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      Nothing about ARod?

  31. Jacob says:

    Remember Swish and all he has done for us. We will miss you swish!!!

  32. Betty Lizard says:

    Seeing the joy Swisher got from playing and all the work he did to give back and his work with kids just embodied for me the joy of the game.

    I know: rosters change, players leave, don’t get too attached, blah blah fishcakes.

    I am still a sad, sad lizard.

    Do well Swisher. I loved watching you in pinstripes.

  33. MartinRanger says:

    I adore Nick. He was unabashedly my favorite Yankee. I’ve defended him through slumps and valued his regular season OPS over his failures in the post season (mostly on teams that were loaded with fail throughout). He’s a patient hitter, a hardnosed player, an absolute joy to watch when he’s going well, and just generally a really good guy. He’s easy to root for in a way that a lot of Yankees aren’t necessarily.

    I understand the team passing on him for 5/70. Cleveland is probably going to regret that contract, and the Yankees certainly would have. They need to get younger in the long term, and Swish gave this team some of his best seasons and the prime of his career. You can’t have asked for more, and he’s a feather in Cashman’s cap.

    I’ll miss him. But for a team moving towards roster flexibility and a more manageable payroll (goals I actually support, and a change in philosophy that benefits the Yankees as a franchise, he didn’t make sense. I’ll root for him to set the world on fire his first few seasons with the Indians, even as I root for Ichiro to continue his late-career renaissance and Tyler Austin to be his long-term replacement.

    So goodbye Swish. You taking no 33 allowed me to recoup my embarassed losses from buying a Javy Vazquez jersey in 2004, among other things.

    But I’m not going to complain about the Yankees making sane financial decisions and potentially making the next two years a bit of rougher sailing. It’s not my money. Hank and Hal are nowhere near as loathesome as guys like David Glass. They are trying to win, but they are trying to win on a budget that doesn’t cost them tens of millions of dollars per year. So it’s a bit harder. So maybe the dynasty era is really over. Though given the last few WS winners, I don’t think this roster is at all an impossibility to bring home no 28.

    Still, I’d love Mike Morse and Jason Kubel for Christmas, Cash. Just saying.

    • Mike HC says:

      Nice comment … well said.

      Just as an aside, in my mind, the “dynasty era” ended pretty early on in game 7 of the 2004 ALCS.

      • Jacob says:

        The dynasty era of the 90′s ended on a sad arizona night in game 7 of the 2001 ws

        • Mike HC says:

          Yea, that could definitely be another arbitrary end point. I like to extend it out to WS appearance in 03, and up until the time the curse of Babe Ruth ended.

          • Jacob says:

            I usually pick 01 because most of the teams core in the 90′s left. It started after ’00 when coney left and then after ’01 half the team left and they started going big signings like Giambi

            • Mike HC says:

              Yea, that Giambi contract definitely signaled the coming of a new era in Yankee history. Which culminated in the ARod contract.

              • dalelama says:

                It isn’t a coincidence Yankee glory started to wane with the signing of a douche bag choke master like Arod.

                • Mike HC says:

                  I think the contract is/was a bigger problem than the “douche bag choke master” part of it. But I’m far from ARod’s biggest fan myself. I do appreciate his natural talent though.

                • OldYanksFan says:

                  Yeah… the ‘douche bag’ had over 40 WAR in his FIRST contact with us, which cost us around $105m. One of the best signings in history.

      • MartinRanger says:

        True enough. Though the dynasty is so linked with Mo and Posada Pettitte and Jeter in my mind that it’s hard to imagine in ‘over’ in that sense. I sort of think of 2009 as the dynasty’s last hurrah. And let’s be real, if this were a team other than the Yankees, a lot of fans would be rightly proud of the team’s performance from 1996 to the present day.

        We’re spoiled. There’s no use denying it.

    • CS Yankee says:

      Even better stated.

  34. CS Yankee says:

    I am a fan of the Swish and the contract from a $ & years standpoint seems fair.

    However, NYY have 3 stars in the making and a couple more longshots that are 1-3 years away. Most minors fail, but you gotta believe that at least one of the three (Aus-Will-Slade) pan out in a nice way.

    We needed a RF and a C for a couple more years (until the boys arrive), but now have neither.

    Thanks Swish…if you’re bat in the postseason was as hot as your wife, we would have won another series.

    • ClusterDuck says:

      I believe that the three OF prospects that you talk are about equal in potential to the three pitchers who came up several years ago, Hughes, Kennedy and Joba.

      And speaking of those three, the Yanks never should have put Kennedy in the Grandy trade and they should take the money that they saved by not signing Swish and they should use it for Hughes.

  35. LitFig says:

    Good luck in all your future endeavors, Swish!

    As frustrating as the playoff performances were, I never hated Swish (or any Yankee). Sometimes you just don’t get the hits.

    I still think they should trade Granderson for prospects.

    • ClusterDuck says:

      About trading away Grandy, maybe they could arrange another three-way and get Jackson and Kennedy back.

      Anybody think that the Tigers and D-Backs would want to do that?

      And the answer of course is “no”.

  36. Evan3457 says:

    I thank Swisher for his 4 solid seasons with the Yanks, but I’m glad they didn’t sign him long-term. I could be wrong, but I think he will age badly.

  37. ricky says:

    but who will strike out with RISP now. Ohhh how sad to see him go i sure will miss all those walks he gets when it counts in April :(

    • Jacob says:

      Swish with RISP .301 .406 .589 .995
      Swish with RISP 2 outs 303 .403 .576 .978
      Swish with bases loaded 313 .294 .938 1.232

      This was all 2012, get your facts straight you horrible troll fuck. Oh and 9 walks in april, you are not smart

  38. Jacob says:

    To all the good and untrolling fans I do apologize for my hostility today, I am deeply saddened by the loss of Nick Swisher who was a mainstay and one of the top 5 most productive hitters for us over the past 4 years. But mostly the hostility comes from the ignorance and stupidity of the trolls on this site who have nothing better to do that rag on a player with their knowledge that is comparable to a goldfish. This readers are complete idiots. And also my apologies to Mike for going nuts on these idiots. Thank you.

    • jjyank says:

      Were you commenting/reading during game threads over the year? It’s all good man, we all lose our shit and got troll hunting every once in awhile. Mo knows I’ve been guilty several times.

      • Jacob says:

        I for most of the season but I stopped after they blew up because I do believe I went off on stuart and eddard a few times and I needed to get the negatives out. But the negativity toward a player that has been such a big part of our team is so not needed.

  39. 4/56 I would have done that, not the 5th year vesting option though. Either way, it was good (mostly) while it lasted.

    Interesting to see the reception he gets upon his return. I assume a hardy cheer when they introduce him, he’ll salute the bleachers, and booed from then on.

    Funny side note, the guy I work with calls him Nick “Swishahitless”…which other than the postseason isn’t accurate, and pretty clever and hilarious.

    • Jacob says:

      I assume he will get one of the better ovations that we have seen in recent years and that he might tear up something similar to Damon. I don’t think he will get booed because most fans have more sense than a lot of people on here and understand he left because the Yankees did not offer him shit. Hell the first jersey I but might be a Swish indians jersey just because I he deserves some loyal positive fans. Ok I lied it will probably be a swish yankee jersey

      • my only ill-will was the comments he made about the fans on the way out. I know some fans (stupidly) were blaming him for Jeter’s ankle, but he said some of the booing and jeers at home got under his skin.

        He also didn’t do the salute and warmed up closer to the ballboy. To me, that’s a sign that he couldn’t handle the postseason in NY when the chips were down. He’s a classic front-runner. When it’s good, it’s great, but when it’s bad…he’s terrible.

        Anyways, I always liked him, and he will be missed.

        • Deep Thoughts says:

          I don’t have any problem with Swisher being typically straightforward and honest about his feelings. That’s who he is, and besides this is New York. People are supposed to be direct and other people are supposed to handle it.

          I think you’ve misread the situation in that the front-runners in this story are actually the piece-of-shit fans who turned on a 110% player and team guy, falsely accusing him of being the opposite.

  40. jjyank says:

    And so died the “Garbage Time” meme. End of an era. I’m sure Cuso will be pleased that the meme is dead, though :P

  41. Hoss says:

    If the Swisher trade and the first years of the Texeira and Burnett contracts are the best Cashman has to show for his tenure with the Yankees, that is pretty pathetic.

    I’m not buying this FO budget crap any more than I believe that they’ll try to keep concession prices at the Stadium low to benefit the fans. It’s a smoke screen and the more the press talks about it, the more ‘real’ it becomes. When the Yankees lose and fall out of contention, their attendance and press coverage will drop and the FO will act. Plain and simple.

    • Jacob says:

      Ugh seriously fuck yourself

    • jjyank says:

      Let’s be fair here. The Swisher trade was highway robbery. I don’t know how you can write that off as pathetic if that’s the best he can do. Tex’s decline wasn’t exactly easy to see coming at the time, and the Burnett contract turned out badly for the opposite reason that some people expected. That deal was a risk because of his injury history. I doubt anyone at the time of the signing expected Burnett to be completely healthy and still fall off a cliff. Plus, without those 2 deals, the Yankees probably aren’t hanging a 2009 World Series flag.

      How about another strategy that you seem to neglect? Passing on trading for Santana and signing CC instead the following year turned out pretty awesome. Soriano and Mo aside, how about building a cheap and effective bullpen year after year? Catching lightning in a bottle with 2011 Andruw Jones, 2010 Marcus Thames? 2012 Eric Chavez?

      No GM is without faults, but give credit were credit is due.

      • Hoss says:

        JJ, Cashman has been allowed to make more mistakes than any GM in baseball. It’s easy to come up with the good moves (“lightning in a bottle”) and call him a genius, but other GMs don’t get unlimited chances to make those moves. Look at Billy Beane in Oakland, Kevin Towers while in SD, Brian Sabean in SF. If they had risked house money/prospects on Carl Pavano, Kei Igawa, Kyle Farnsworth, Jeff Weaver, Kevin Brown, Jose Contreras, Jaret Wright, Tony Womack… not to mention offering Cano to the Rangers in the A-Rod deal… he would have been gone long ago.
        Jones, Chavez and Chavez are role players. These moves were big mistakes. And I said at the time of the trade that the Granderson trade would go down as one of the worst trades in Yankee history. Grandy is just not that good. Jackson will be a star CF for years and Kennedy a top of the rotation guy. This isn’t 20/20 hindsight, either.
        And look at the Yankee drafts of prospects in recent years. Cito Culver? Please.
        We’re in for a dry spell and Cashman is a big reason for the problem.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          One of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on this site, and that’s saying something.

          • Hoss says:

            Mike, What is inaccurate?

            • Mike Axisa says:

              Where do I start?

              Beane, Towers, Sabean, etc. don’t gamble on house money? No one wants to sign with Oakland first of all (Beltre turned them down, etc.) and Towers never had money in SD. Two of SF’s three highest paid players this year were Zito and Rowand while the other than a 5+ ERA. You can cherry pick stupid FA signings for every team. Cashman has more money to play with so his mistakes were bigger.

              Wright & Womack were Steinbrenner moves. Wright FAILED HIS PHYSICAL and George signed him anyway because he thought it would help them get Leo Mazzone.

              Saying Grandy “just not that good” is just dumb.

              • Hoss says:

                My point was that those GMs have less money to gamble with and make more with what they have. Look at the Cespedes signing, for instance. Towers had the Padres competing in SD on next to no money. And Sabean has won 2 WS in recent years.

                I understand that the Steinbrenners interfere. But Cashman is complicit. If he wasn’t, he would have left years ago and become a GM elsewhere. And there are plenty of recent bonehead (non-George) moves with his signature: Feliciano signing, J. Vasquez trade #2, Burnett and Texeira signings, Montero trade.

                Granderson is now the worst fielding (by SABR standards) OF in baseball, strikes out a ton, doesn’t hit for average. 2010 was a disaster. So the trade netted the Yankees a great 2011 and now they cannot trade him for much and are on the hook for $15M for 2013. Neither the Tigers nor D’Backs would trade Jackson or Kennedy for him straight up.

                I don’t think that what I’m saying is dumb. And I believe that if the Rangers had taken Cano instead of Arias for A-Rod, things would be a lot different now.

                • Mike Axisa says:

                  And I believe that if the Rangers had taken Cano instead of Arias for A-Rod, things would be a lot different now.

                  And I believe that if the Tigers had asked for Melky Mesa instead of Jackson for Granderson, things would be a lot different now.

                  See how easy that is?

                  • OldYanksFan says:

                    Thanks for jumping in Mike.
                    When someone says SO MANY stupid things in one post, I simply can’t get ti together to respond.

                    And why is it not mentioned that because Cashman has to Win EVERY YEAR, that he must take chances that a team out of contention doesn’t have to make.

                    Cashman’s job is so much harder then other MLB GMs, I hate to see them compared. Imagine if Cashman was told to make the PS 2 or 3 times a decade, what he might do.

                    The mandate to ALWAYS win is brutal. Few GMs could survive it.

          • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

            I thought there was a comment made back in like late Sept or August, some of the commenters said it was w/o a doubt the dumbest thing ever said on this sight, and all things would have to be compared to that…if I could only remember what thread it was on.

        • Hoss says:

          Oh, almost forgot Pedro Feliciano. Cashman’s blaming the Mets on that one was almost comical. And, of course, the Pineda aka Pinata trade. Don’t get me started…

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            Cashman is almost perfect in his hitter trades. His pitching acquisitions have almost been always bad. Our best one if Boone freaking Logan.

        • jjyank says:

          Wait, so it’s Cashman’s fault that the Yankees have a huge budget? Please. I never said Cashman was the best GM in the game. Or even top 5. But I think he’s good, and above average. Sure, Cito Culver was questionable. But how about home grown guys that have come up to help, Like Wang, Cano, Hughes, Joba, Robertson, Gardner, Nova, Phelps. Cashman has a longer list of mistakes than most GMs because he’s one of the longest tenured GMs in the game. And Granderson was one of the worst trades in history? I think that statement right there is my O:S cue.

  42. Jacob says:

    I seriously will die laughing in a few years when we are under 189 mill and it is time to spend again, Cash will want to spend it smartly because I trust cash he knows what is best for the team. But the Bros. will go all George on it do to the fan backlash of the previous years and spend money on every player they can and all the fans hating them now will say how much they love them and how cash is stupid. The team will then fail to coexist together and will not reach the playoffs ala-2011 red sox.

  43. Hoss says:

    Can somebody moderate this Jacob turd off the site?

    • Jacob says:

      Someone needs to get rid of all you “THE SKY IS FALLING” “THE FO SUCKS” “SWISHER BLOWS” trolls, not me. Actually I probably should too just because It would stop me from seeing all of your idiotic comments. And are you still a pre-teen, using turd? Really?

  44. Elan says:

    Good riddance, Swisher! Go strikeout, choke, and blame the fans for your problems somewhere else!

  45. Adam says:

    Swish exceeded our spending by 3 years and $54 million.

    This team is a disaster.

  46. Nathan says:

    These aren’t the Yankees you’re looking for.

  47. Herby says:

    I’m not devastated to see him go…he had some great moments, but was basically barely an above average player. I think his act started to wear thin in the clubhouse and for the money he got paid it was time for him to go. I think you were starting to see him break down in the last year, and that’ll probably continue in the next couple of years. I don’t think you’ll see the production in Cleveland that he had in NY, but I hope he does well…I certainly won’t miss the goofy smile after strikeouts though.

    • jjyank says:

      “but was basically barely an above average player.”

      Nick Swisher’s wRC+s every year in New York:

      125, 135, 124, 128.

      I think you and I have very, very different definitions of what “above average” means.

    • Deep Thoughts says:

      Because the only appropriate reaction is to throw a tantrum and smash the water cooler like Pawlie did.

      You’re showing the emotional perceptiveness of an autistic preteen.

      • Herby says:

        ah yes…the ever present personal attack…now who is raising the level of argument here? Sorry…did I ever say attacking a water cooler was appropriate…putting words in someone’s mouth doesn’t sound like a good way to get a point across…is that a Deep thought? hmm…don’t think so. Perhaps it comes from somewhere else deep in the body..but not a thought…and bringing in autistic that’s just shameful…especially during this time of year…where is the goodwill to all men…shame my friend…shame…

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        You must be joking.

  48. Dicka24 says:

    Thanks Swish, but good riddance. This guy couldn’t hit a beachball when it mattered. Which is in the playoffs. He’s a good regular season bat, and you have to make it to the playoffs in order to suck there, but this guy was the epitomy of all that is wrong with the Yankees softball philosphy, of walking and hitting 3-run homers.

    5/$70 million till his age 37 season. Ouch imo. I guess when you’re Cleveland you have to overpay for whatever established talent that’s willing to sign there. I have no issues with the Yankees passing on most of these players this year. Victorino, Napoli, Ross, Swisher, etc. all getting $10-15 million per it seems for 3 to 5 years. No thanks.

    If not Kubel (meh), I’d prefer Parra from Arizona. Not sure they part with him though. Hey, they traded Trevor Bauer so who knows right?

    Swisher in the playoffs with the Yankees:

    “Swisher joined the Yankees in 2009 and in four postseasons has been a non-factor at the plate. For his Yankees career, Swisher is 19-for-123 in 34 playoff games (a .154 batting average). He’s scored 12 runs, hit six doubles and four home runs and driven in six runs. He has 15 walks and 34 strikeouts.”

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

      Bleacher Report? Really? Don’t be bringing that weak shit up here. That’s like bringing up The New York Post in a conversation about good News Papers.

      • Dicka24 says:

        I hate Bleacher Report too for the most part, but the stats are historical fact, regardless of the source. Those stats say that players playoff performance sucks. Sucks baaaaaaaad too.

      • Herby says:

        Don’t be ragging on the NY Post…it’s the first thing I reach for when I realize I forgot the TP

    • Deep Thoughts says:

      I disagree. Hitting a beachball does not, in fact, matter in the playoffs. That’s just Looney Toons.

  49. ClusterDuck says:

    Swish lifetime postseason stats.



  50. Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

    Jacob, if you’re still around this thread, I’d just like to say “I love you, Man.” Also, calm down lol. I used to get angry at trolls, but you can’t let it get to you man, otherwise they win. You going off on them is exactly what they want, it’s like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. Just let them yell and scream and cry, but ignore them. Because whether you’re nice to them, or start yelling at them to not throw a tantrum, you’re giving them the attention that they want.

    All that said, goodbye Swish. You were one of my favorite players, and favorite personalities on the team. When I was younger watching the Yankees, it was all very business like. The team went about their business, I mean they celebrated when they won and walked off, but at the same time there was a certain level of stuffiness in the clubhouse. Swish, and Burnett when he was here, changed that. All of a sudden walk-offs became that much more fun because Swish wouldn’t let up on the guy and AJ was shoving a whip-cream pie in his face. The team looked like a huge weight had been taken off of its shoulders. I almost imagine the pre-2009 club house as a very quiet place, maybe a few conversations going on, but guys weren’t hanging out. After Swish and AJ came in, I almost saw it as a place with music blasting and guys hanging out w/ each other, chilling for hours after the game ending.

    5/70 is just about what I thought Swish would get, but is honestly a little much for the guy he’s going to be in years 4&5 of the deal, now we’re really hoping that A. Ichiro can be a valid RF’er for 2 seasons and B. That Austin or Slade are ready by 2014/2015.

    • Elton Cod says:

      “The team looked like a huge weight had been taken off of its shoulders. I almost imagine the pre-2009 club house as a very quiet place, maybe a few conversations going on, but guys weren’t hanging out. After Swish and AJ came in, I almost saw it as a place with music blasting and guys hanging out w/ each other, chilling for hours after the game ending.”

      Psychologists call this “projection”.

      “Nicky Swishy looks like he is having fun. I wish I could have fun like he does. Therefore, it follows that all the other players are having fun (because I think it would be fun). Also, it is obvious that they weren’t having any fun before. I learned from movies like Little Big League that having fun is necessary to success in baseball. So, I conclude, logically, that Nicky Swishy and his sense of fun was a major factor in the Yankees’ success.”

      • Elton Cod says:

        “Additionally, I hope Swish will marry my mom, just like in Little Big League. That way we can hang out all the time. He will sort of fill in for my missing/inadequate father figure, but he will also kind of just be my bro, because he’s not _really_ my father. It will be awesome. Bro-tastic.”

        • jjyank says:

          What in the hell are you rambling about?

        • Elton Cod says:

          Man, can you imagine being 11 or 12 years old, trying to figure out how to talk to girls, and Swisher is your stepfather? The scene where he teaches you how to talk to girls would be so awesome, especially if he playfully rubbed you on the head and gave you a noogie afterwards. He would be wearing a backwards hat the whole time.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

          That last bit would actually be pretty awesome, the only problem is my mom is still (un)happily married to my dad and Swish would never leave his hot ass wife for my mom.

          To your sarcastically made (and in your mind funny)point though, players have said countless times that baseball gets much harder when it’s not fun anymore. I seriously think Nick, and AJ, as well as Grandy and CC changed the outlook of the locker room a little bit. Obviously I’m not their so I have no idea, but w/ the retirement of Jorge and the stop of the revolving door of free agents the last few seasons it just feels like the culture of the locker-room changed after the 2008 offseason.

      • DC says:

        And “projection” is exactly what you nearly every comment. “I am miserable and negative, therefore, the Yankees must be miserable and negative.”

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

          Speaking of being miserable, I just got the breakfast I ordered at work and they forgot a straw for my orange juice :(

  51. Elton Cod says:

    If you’re all really that upset because of our loss of Swisheroo’s wacky spontaneity and sense of joy…we could just hire a frat boy or two to hang out in the dugout and mug for the cameras, it will produce roughly the same result. OH LOOK, HE’S SMILING, GIVE HIM A CONTRACT!

  52. mac says:

    The Yanks will miss Swish’s production, but I think its telling that he went to Cleveland – most likely no other team wanted to make that level of financial commitment to him. It will be interesting to see what offers, if any, he turned down.

    Personally, I’m glad The Yanks did’t commit 4+ years to him, but what they have now in the OF is a definite downgrade.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Yeah I’m seeing a lot of love for someone who maxes out at 4 WAR and is entering his decline.

      Take the pick and move on. That was the original plan I have no idea why people are upset. You know this was coming.

      • mac says:

        I think people are upset (fan fave aside) because for the first time in a long while the Yanks let a guy go elsewhere w/o replacing him with someone who is at least percieved to be a big upgrade.

        I’d really like to think the FO has a plan, and the contracts given to most players this year were insane, so I hold out hope that the brain trust has made the right calls.

  53. Pudge says:


    I’ll certainly miss you buddy. Loved your passion for the game. Wish you and your family nothing but the best.

  54. bill says:

    another hal and cashman good move .

    maybe hal can get the payroll down to 189 this year.

  55. Now Batting says:

    Cya Swisher. As a fan I loved your attitude. You were very productive in the regular season. Of course, I doubt any player like you lucky enough to have 154 PAs in the playoffs has ever performed so poorly below their career stats. I recall watching game 4 of the ALCS and thinking “at least I’ll never have to watch you strike out with the bases loaded in the playoffs again”. So thank god I’ll have my hair for longer now. If you were younger a 5 year deal might seem ok. At 32 though you’ve likely peaked.

  56. Grover says:

    Thanks and best of luck to Swisher but New York is not the place to choke in the postseason. Allowing him to leave is brilliant on Cashman’s part though most will not admit their current whining in a year or two when it becomes blatantly obvious.

  57. Zack D says:

    Looks like the RAB comment section has hit the annual “unreadable” stage. Expect this to continue through the offseason, spring training, and the first three months of the season.

  58. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I got about 20 comments into this. Where we find these idiots is beyond me. I’ve never physically met a Yankee fan who thinks the way some of these dipshits think.

    As for Swisher, I love you, dude. Thank you for making only four seasons feel like you were always here. However, you’re taking the money to play for a last place team. Good luck with that. I never saw a scenario in which he came back anyway. Save the money for Robbie.

  59. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Another good move by Cashman. No sarcasm.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

      Agreed, I loved Swish, but what’s probably going to be a 5 year 70 million dollar contract is a little much for him. He’s already average defensively at best, and that most likely will trend downwards over the coming years.

  60. Get Phelps Up says:

    I wake up and this comment section is exactly how I envisioned it would be since like October. Seriously, what’s so bad about smiling and having fun playing a game you’ve been playing since you were a kid?

    He’ll be missed.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      When half of someone’s knowledge of baseball comes from the video games they’ve played, they’ll expect their players to act just like they do on their PS3′s.

    • Herby says:

      The last four year version will be…the next four year version…probably not, and there is nothing wrong with smiling and showing your emotion…the game is meant to be fun, but there are times when it’s not that appropriate. I thought Andruw Jones was another one who enjoyed the game and had a great smile…damn shame he couldn’t hit to save his ass anymore.

    • Alkaline says:

      Serious. I don’t think many of these guys played in high school or past it. I’m still playing competitive ball and the best thing I’ve learned is to finally let myself smile out on the field. One of these years will be my last and I’m enjoying the hell out of it now.

  61. MartinRanger says:

    What I don’t understand is how so few of you are grasping that Cashman handled Swisher perfectly, from beginning to end?

    Buy low on a talented player who, if he works out, fills a long-term need.

    Keep him through his prime years, getting what is most likely the best baseball he’ll ever play for a reasonable rate.

    Cut ties when the risk becomes too much, and let somebody else play premium dollars for reduced production.

    That’s textbook. That’s how you want a GM to operate.

    That’s exactly what Brian Cashman did.

    And we get a sandwich pick.

  62. Brian S. says:


  63. Rocky Road Redemption says:


    Swishy was one of my favorite players. My username is based off of a Nick Swisher quote from a game he played in 09′. Now I need a new username.

  64. Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

    Love him or hate him, think he’s a postseason choke artist or blame it on bad luck due to sample size, one thing that is for certain is the Yankees are a worse team without Swisher.

  65. RetroRob says:

    Loved having Swisher on the team. The postseason performance was a problem, but he was one of many. He was key to the Yankees making the postseason and the team in now weaker in right. Losing transitional players like Raul and Chavez doesn’t bother me. It is surprising to see a Yankee team let a player still in his prime walk away. The same can be said for Martin. Probably have to go back to when they let Andy Pettitte walk for anything similar, and even that wasn’t similar.

  66. BigLoving says:

    In all honesty I loved having Swish here and he was a great person and a a great regular season player. But the fact of the matter is he was down right horrible in every facet of the postseason. Being a team that puts so much emphasis on winning in the postseason there is no way Cash could have brought him back.

  67. There's the Door says:

    The king of low-leverage numbers and false hustle. A fake star. Now he can jump into someone else’s stands when he knows the ball is fifteen rows up.
    There’s the door.

  68. Wayne says:

    What type of pick do we get for losing swisher a supplemental first round pick or a second round pick. I was hoping for a supplemental first round pick. Darn!

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