Not So Baseless Speculation: Asdrubal Cabrera

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Here’s a nugget from Paul Hoynes, Indians beat writer extraordinaire for The Cleveland Plain-Dealer…

The going price on [shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera] is three to four players, preferably four. The Indians had the framework of a deal in place in which they would have received one big-league pitcher and two high-level prospects. When the Indians asked for a third prospect, the deal dissolved.

The particular team the Indians were negotiating with planned to change Cabrera’s position, but right now he’s the top shortstop available this winter through free agency or trades.

Tell me that doesn’t have the Yankees written all over it. One big league pitcher? Take your pick of Phil Hughes, Ivan Nova, and David Phelps. Two high-level prospects? Pick two, though I’m not sure if “high-level” means top prospects or guys who played at Double-A and Triple-A. Asking Cabrera to change positions? Makes sense now that Alex Rodriguez will miss the start of next season. Could be a coincidence, but the glove sure does fit.

Cabrera, 27, has hit a solid .272/.335/.443 (116 wRC+) with 41 homers over the last two seasons. He’s a switch-hitter with no platoon split (115 wRC+ vs. RHP and 117 wRC+ vs. LHP since 2011) and depending on your choice of defensive metric, he’s either a slightly-above-average (DRS and FRAA) or well-below-average defender (UZR) at short with minimal experience at the hot corner (four defensive outs in 2007). The Indians signed him to a short-term extension this past April, and he’s owned $6.5M next year and $10M the year after ($8.25M average annual value for luxury tax purposes) before qualifying for free agency. With A-Rod out and Nick Swisher‘s and Russell Martin‘s offense unlikely to be fully replaced, it’s easy to see why the Yankees would have pursued Cabrera to the point where they were on the verge of a deal.

Just to be clear, this is total speculation. Hoynes reported the Indians had a deal in place that fell through, and I’m just connecting the dots. Given the number of teams that need a shortstop and could offer a similar package (the Rays, Red Sox, Athletics, Cardinals, and Diamondbacks), it’s the part about asking Cabrera to change positions that sticks out. That said, the Dodgers are reportedly committed to Hanley Ramirez at short and could have interest in Asdrubal as a third baseman. The Phillies could want him at the hot corner as well. Even if the team in the rumor was not the Yankees, Cabrera is a player they should look into acquiring since seems the price reasonable (at least to me).

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  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Drew

    Don’t think it would be Hughes in that hypothetical deal. Why would the Indians take a one year rental? My money would be on Phelps.

    • Laz

      Yea, and then 2 good prospects… I’d trade Phelps and 2 mediocre prospects, but phelps + Austin + Heathcott is too much. Have heard he isn’t considered very good defensively at short.

  • Travis L.

    I’d have thought Phelps, with Williams and Heathcott, but when they asked for Sanchez, the Yankees backed out.

    • Ted Nelson

      If they asked for Phelps, Williams, Heathcott, and Sanchez… for two years of Cabrera… I’d hope Cashman would have died laughing. That’s a Tex package for a guy who won’t even his that well for 3B, and isn’t likely to play fulltime.

      • RetroRob

        I’m with you. I don’t ever want to fall into the category of too much prospect hugging, but that would be one high price to pay for someone like Cabrera.

      • mustang

        I’m in too.

        Furthermore I think both Williams and Heathcott is a bit much. Maybe substitute Williams with Dante Bichette Jr.

        • kevin w.

          Oh so substitute a top prospect with a non-prospect, makes sense for the Indians.

          • Steve

            But when they asked for Cito Culver, that’s where Cashman drew the line

          • Ted Nelson

            The likelihood that the Indians actually asked for three of the Yankees top 4 or 5 prospects is next to zero.

            • G

              Hey, can’t hurt to ask right?

      • GoNavy-BeatArmy

        At that price, they need to be talking about adding others besides Cabrera. I’m not a huge fan of Choo (unless he’s cheap on prospects), but Santana and Masterson would fit perfectly. I would dump a large portion of the farm for those 3. Would be nice to see our prospects develop, but I am skeptical given our lack of success trying that route.

        • daGod

          Dump a large portion of the farm for three players? Santana below average defensive catcher, Choo can’t hit lefties (should be a platoon player) and Masterson who is no better than Hughes or Phelps if given the chance…incredible…amazing.

          • Total Dominication

            How are the Yankees supposed to win a championships with a below average defensive catcher? That would be ridiculous!

            • Weeks

              The Sox did it, twice.

              • Josh

                The Yanks did it 4 times!!!Problems noting sarcasm???

          • GoNavy-BeatArmy

            LOL. What part of that post made you think Choo was one of those 3 players? Regardless, it is that logic, overvaluing prospects, that has led us to loose out of on most of our prospect value (look at those Killer B’s now…).

            Also laughing at your reference to a poor defensive catcher. As the above responses have already pointed out, we clearly have proved we can win without a defensive catcher (helllooo… Jorge).

            Masterson is certain no worse than Hughes given Hughes’ consistency issues and is definitely better than Phelps. However, the point was I would give up on Hughes (1 yr of Hughes) to get the deal done for Santana/Cabrera/Masterson.

      • Laz

        What a terrible trade that would be. Asdrubal is ok, but not stellar with the bat, and he is average defensively at best for shortstop. Signing Keppinger would be a better option.

  • mustang

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....nt-5236851

    HA! HA! Beat you to it! Copy cat.

  • Ted Nelson

    Whether the price is reasonable all depends on who the prospects are. Does high level mean high minors or top prospect?

    • mustang

      Agree.

      But if they throwing in a “big-league pitcher” I doubt it would be anyone like Gary Sanchez if it were just say NO.

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    Price tag for Choo, Cabrera, Santana?

    haha.

  • Gonzo

    If this is the Yankees, I wonder if this means they don’t think A-Rod can play 3rd base this year. Or worse.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      Could also be they’re looking at Cabrera for 3B to begin the season (or the whole season, depending on ARod’s rehab) and to work him into the SS role as Jeter nears retirement (and inability to play SS). It gives them 2 years to look at him and determine if they should re-sign him after the ’14 season. At the right price (which it seems the GM of the team that backed out was looking at), he could be a good pick up.

      • Gonzo

        Could be, but I guess it depends on the investment. They aren’t dealing top 50 prospects for what might be a part-time player in the second half of this year making $6.5mm this year and $10mm next year.

        • Cris Pengiucci

          I think they’ll take their time bring ARod back to a full time role in the field. Between that and spelling Jeter at SS, it could continue to be a nearly full time role.

          Someone mentioned he has a No Trade clause in his contract. That could be a deal breaker.

          • Gonzo

            Yeah that type of playing time isn’t something I think he should jump at. But fans have to consider that maybe Cashman thinks A-Rod is done as a fielder. 2nd hip surgery, 2011 looks like a defensive anomaly (DRS/TZ/UZR), and he turns 38 this year.

          • jjyank

            He has the Yankees on a no trade list, I believe. He might ask for an extension to waive it.

            • BJ

              He’s only 27, and among the best shortstops in the game right now. I’d definitely give it to him.

              • jjyank

                I wouldn’t be opposed to it at all. Just something to consider though, since you’d need to pay in prospects and (probably) an extension as well.

      • Laz

        Or you can look at him on the Indians. He will be 30 by time he became a free agent/took over for jeter. Already the wrong side of 30 for a shortstop, and he is still a significant downgrade offensively from Jeter.

    • vin

      Or they think they can trade Cabrera next year if Jeter and Alex are healthy. Saves 10 mill for the 2014 budget, and nets them something in return.

      • Gonzo

        Which would still make me wonder if they think he can play 3rd base this year.

  • Mike HC

    I definitely see the possibility of it being the Yanks, but as history has shown, if we get wind of the deal before it is basically done, then it won’t happen. Deals that are actually completed usually come out of the blue. But I guess you never know.

    Also, moving off shortstop, and not even necessarily being a full time player with the Yanks at the end of this season, and definite possibility in 2014, I don’t see the incentive to waive his no trade clause only to hurt his best chance at a big deal after this contract is up.

    • Gonzo

      I forgot his NTC. You’re right, he might not welcome the position change at all, and he doesn’t have to either.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      Yeah, the first half of this post is absolutely true. Since we heard about it before it happened means it’s probably not going to happen. As for the second part: With Alex out till June at the earliest and Derek coming off of a pretty significant injury, adding to both of their ages, plus Cabrera’s offensive ability: if we had aquired him I’m almost certain he would’ve found his way into at least 130-145 games this season.

      • Mike HC

        He would surely get a lot of work this season, but he would be playing some shortstop, some third, some DH and then competing for playing time if Alex and Jeter get healthy for the end of 2013 into 2014. Personally, if I were him, I would not like that and would prefer a trade to a team where I am a regular without competing for playing time with Hall of Famers.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          I agree, if I were him I’d want to play for a team with a decent chance to win and know where I was going to be playing every day before I got to the ball park(and every competing team in the AL is better with him at SS). I just wish he’d say screw that I want to play for the Yankees lol.

  • greg

    they should be more clear about high level. Honestly there should be a specific term for top prospect and prospect in the he upper levels. cause if it was nova and 2 out of our 4 big guys (williams,heathcott,sanchez, austin) then good that they said no. If it was nova,adams and almonte but cash didnt want to include Joesph (mix and match the aaa prospects) then dammit i would of loved this trade.

    • Gonzo

      Might be a mix of both. With the dearth of quality SS’s in the big leagues, I don’t know if they would have been able to not deal at least one of the big 4. Think about all the teams inquiring on Yunel and Andrus. There would be some competition for a capable SS.

  • Mikhel

    One major leaguer and two prospects for a two year rental of a below defender player whose AVG/OBP/SLG are average?

    That sounds an awful lot like the trade for Granderson.

    Can anybody else from the Yankees minors who has never played third base on a daily basis, put up a 0.260-0.270 AVG, 0.330 OBP in the majors? I am thinking Adams.

    I think it is fairly easy to find somebody who can bat at least what Cabrera does (sans the power).

    Which scenario is the best?

    Cabrera > (Phelps/Hughes/Nova) + Slade + Mason

    or

    Adams + (Phelps/Hughes/Nova) + Slade + Mason > Cabrera

    I don’t know, I might be the only one thinking about the future, but it seems that a lot of ‘analysts’ are not really analyzing scenarios and players in terms of repleaceable pieces, judging only by their intrinsical value.

    • Captain

      you can’t just say sans the power, that’s a big part of what he brings to the table which no prospect the Yankees have at those positions can offer. plus saying someone like Adams or Cojo can just step in and easily hit .270/.330 while holding their own defensively at the ML level for the first time in their lives is not correct.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      Name 5 available players that are as good or better than Cabrera right now. It’s fine, I’ll wait.

      The problem with baseball prospects is they are the most uncertain thing in all of sports, that’s why we so often see teams trade them for guys who are proven in the league already. Remember when Mark Melancon(sp?) was supposed to be our closer of the future? Now he’s bouncing around organizations as a middle relief/mop-up guy. Remember when Ian Kennedy was supposed to be a back-end guy and Hughes was supposed to be competing for Cy Youngs? Remember when Robinson Cano was a decent fielder who the organization didn’t think had the bat to play in the big leagues? Remember when we all thought Montero, regardless of where he hit, was going to be the ROY in a landslide?

      If you told me I could have Asdrubal Cabrera’s offense definitely for the next four years or whatever it is vs 2 maybe stars, 1 maybe major leaguer, and 1 decent pitcher? I’m taking Asdrubal every time.

      • mustang

        Dude I been saying this for years.

        Agree 100%

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        Decent pitcher= Nova/Phelps. Even though he’s a year from free agency, from the Yankees stand point I wouldn’t include Hughes in the deal. He showed me a lot last season and I want to see him repeat it this year.

        • Mike HC

          I agree that Hughes is on another level compared to Nova and Phelps. If Hughes was involved in that trade, I would only give up one other valuable piece, if I do the deal at all. Which I probably wouldn’t.

      • Mike HC

        Definitely good points about the difficulty in predicting the future careers of prospects.

        I don’t think the Kennedy and Hughes comparison is so cut and dry though yet. I’m not so sure Kennedy is better than Hughes right now, and definitely think it is up in the air as to who will end up with the better career when it is all said and done.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          I know, I still personally think that Hughes is a better pitcher then Kennedy and that Kennedy is in a Pitcher’s friendly Division in a pitcher’s friendly ball park in a pitcher’s friendly league right now, but if you take ability out of it and just look at results-oriented numbers Kennedy has had a better career up to this point.

      • Mister D

        What about the Royals discussing Myers for Shields or Lester or Dickey? Its easy to say “take the proven commodity because this list of prospects busted”, but that ignores the risk of losing 6+ years of cheap production. Every star was once a prospect, right?

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          I’m not saying there’s not another side to the coin. Teams who are rebuilding (Red Sox/Mets) and teams who are considered “small market” and don’t have a high pay roll (Rays) really have to acquire ‘blue chip’ prospects or retain them in hopes to become competitive again/remain competitive. Teams like the Yankees and now the Dodgers can afford to be more risk adverse when it comes to prospects and take the sure thing.

          • Mister D

            But doesn’t that run the risk of turning into the Phillies, who are now standing on the ledge about the be very expensive and very mediocre?

            • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

              Of course, the Yankees (and we as their fans) have been extremely lucky though. Over the past few decades they’ve had the safety net of throwing good money after bad to cover their mistakes. For the next few years we find ourselves in the situation of not being able to do that so we’ll have to see how it plays out. While some people think the thing to do is to hold onto prospects in hopes of them being ready in the coming years, my mind set is get as young and as good as we can possibly get now and hope that carries us through the 2015 season. Basically I’d rather see the team gut the farm and acquire guys like Headley, Cabrera, and Upton now then continue to use stop gaps for the next few years and hope that guys like Sanchez, Austin and Williams work out.

              • Mister D

                Then I choose to half agree. I’d gut for a guy like Upton who can be a top 10 player. For someone like Headley, who I really like but who I think you’re buying at his peak, or Cabrera who only gives you two seasons in exchange for like 20+ of other players, I’m not so keen. So I’m not an “Williams-Heathcott-Austin hit 2-3-4 or bust” guy, but I’m probably holding Williams unless its an Upton and wary about pairing the other two for Asdrubal.

      • RetroRob

        I think the problem here is we don’t know what “top prospects” means. Many are assuming it’s Sanchez, Heathcott, Austin, etc. It might be more like Nova, plus one of the top 50 prospects the Yankees have and an Adams, or something like that. If it’s all of the top prosects, the answer of course is no. Not for Cabrera. I’d rather they re-sign Chavez and platoon him with Adams at third.

        I lived through a time when I saw McGee and Buhner and McGriff and Drabek and Burke etc. traded away for very little. Rijo, too, alhtough he was part of a package for Henderson, which was great. That gets back to the point. It’s the price of prospects, since not all are created equal. I suppose people around here might have talked about Melancon as a replacement for Mo, but he was always viewed by most talent evaluators as being in the fungible class of relievers. The Yankees clearly viewed him that way. I see someone else mentioned Brandon Laird below. Larid was also never a serious prospect. Klaw said himself after Laird’s “break out” AA season that the Yankees should sell high. Not an impact player.

        So despite that I’m agreeing with what you’re saying, but if the package starts with a MLB pitcher like Nova, then the level and number of prospects then starts to decrease for someone like Cabrera. If the team stripmines a young starting pitcher and several high-end prospects for Cabrera, then they’ve really restricted other moves they can make.

        Chavez and Adams and hold the top prospects for another, bigger deal, or gasp, the possibility of rebuilding.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          Like you said in your first paragraph, right now we don’t know what “top prospect” means. In this case if it meant let’s just say Nova, Williams, and Slate then the Indians tried to include an Austin or a Sanchez in the deal on top of it I’m happy that cash walked away. However if by “top prospect” they meant just any top 50 guys I’m kind of upset the deal didn’t go through.

          Even though my argument is that you should always take the known over the unknown there does come a point where you’re giving up too much of the unknown and that some of it would have to be too good to give away.

          • RetroRob

            Right. We’re agreeing. As I noted above, I don’t want to get into prospect hugging because there is a high fail rate, especially the further away from the majors (and most of the Yankees elite prospects were lower level). The further up the chain these guys move the more valuable they become, and a young MLBer (like Cabrera) is going to be far more valuable than any top-50 prospect coming out of A-ball.

            It’s a balancing game that Cashman has to play. How many young players do I give up, and does the short-term game get negated by losing the flexibility to make other trades. Now if they can get Sanatana and Cabrera, load on up!

        • David McCann

          Cleveland is trading Cabrera because Lindor is ready. It is Lindor we should be after.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Francisco Lindor is 19 years old and hit .257/.352/.355 in Low Class-A last season. He’s not close to ready.

            • Mister D

              Nor is he available. Stellar work all around.

    • Steve (different one)

      As long as “average” really means “above average” you are right.

    • Gonzo

      Remember when Yankee fans thought Brandon Laird was going to be at least an average MLB player after he did pretty well in AA. Remember when Yankee fans were trying to compare Zach McAllister’s stats with Madison Bumgarner’s after a great AA seasson?

      Baseball is hard.

      • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

        remember when Bubba Crosby was our Center Fielder and Nick Swisher was our 1B?

        great stuff. now seriously Cash, I want a Cabrera for xmas. Dont care if its Asdrubal, Miggy, or Melky… get me a Cabrera!!!

        • Gonzo

          Shhhhh! Don’t say that. Orlando Cabrera is listening.

          • Daniel Cabrera

            *smiles*

        • jjyank

          SIGN ALL TEH CABRERAS!!!11!

          • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

            …I still kind of want all the Uptons. Apparently Atlanta liked that idea too.

            • jjyank

              I’m not sold on BJ, but I very much want J-Ups.

              • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

                BJ for me is Granderson with a little less power, a whole lot more defense and somebody who actually uses his speed on the bases. If both were free agents this season I would be pushing hard for the Yankees to for BJ over Granderson.

                • jjyank

                  Well yeah, I would too for age reasons if nothing else. I was assuming we were talking about adding him to Granderson.

                  That said, I hope Cashman finds a way to pry Justin away from the D-Backs. He’d look real nice in RF.

    • jjyank

      I won’t repeat what was already said above me, but “two year rental”? Two full seasons is not a rental.

      • mustang

        Plus in 2 years it will be the 2014 off season they will out of ” HELL 189″. If Cabrera gives good returns they can open the old Yankees check book.

        • RetroRob

          I wonder about that. I believe the Yankees “189” may last for two seasons, through 2015. Going under 189 immediately resets the luxury tax, but I think they real benefits in revenue sharing require two years out of three below 189.

      • Mister D

        Rental is a bad term, but 2 years of control for 20 years of control is a big factor.

  • http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-red-sox-will-challenge-1927-yankees-for-title-of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html wilk

    here’s what we could do: trade phelps, williams, heathcott, sanchez for cabrera and santana.

    ik, my trade proposal sucks, but what do you think?

    • mustang

      Yes and Yes, but it will never happen the Indians would NEVER do it.

    • mustang

      Seriously if Cashman can pull Cabrera and Santana for prospect the dude should thrown a parade through the Canyon of Heroes.

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        stuart a is smiling some where at the mention of parades…

        …but it’s not a parade for giving arod a raise and extension…so at the same time he’s sad…….

        • Cris Pengiucci

          IETC

        • Rick

          Cashman didn’t give A-Rod a raise, nor an extension. Parade still on after checking facts.

    • GoNavy-BeatArmy

      I would do that even if it was Hughes vs Phelps. I know Hughes would be a bigger loss, but I think he’s replaceable with the current FA’s out there.

      I still would love to see Masterson try and regain is 2011 stuff in a Yanks uniform.

  • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

    Irresponsible Rumormongering FTW!!!!

    the obligatory “Get it done CASH” applies here.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      “Irresponsible Rumormongering FTW!!!!”

      +1, this is probably my favorite tag ever.

  • Mister D

    You don’t really convert a guy with the intent of converting him back, right? I’d love Cabrera, but having him go to 3B would take a little of the shine off the move.

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      also, this has everything to do with keeping the mystique of “Derek Jeter, Shortstop for life”. If Cabrera is the obvious better SS than Jeter and A Rod combined, then Jeter should at least be considered to move over and share reps at 3B.

      I know I know, the MSM will cream its collective panties with the story, and a couple of mega millionaires will get butt hurt by the suggestion… but if you swing a deal for a starting SS, a REAL starting SS, then you have to at least think about ramifications and how to get the most out of this shit sandwich.

      • Mister D

        Yup. Pretty much every great SS who played well into their 30s, except like Ozzie, had to get moved at some point. Even Vizquel plays other positions now. If a broken leg and an opportunity like Asdrubal presenting itself isn’t enough, you’re just accepting lesser results to make a guy lacking self-awareness happy.

        (That’s not anti-Jeter, almost every athlete lacks objective awareness of their skills or feigns it. Its up to management to override.)

        • Mike HC

          Except up to this point, Jeter has not lacked self awareness about his skill level. He thinks he is good, and he is good.

          • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

            Offensively yes, Jeter is good. Defensively, in his career he’s been average at best and is now decidedly below average. Just for some reference, I’m 23 and Derek is basically my baseball God, he is all I know that is good and true about the game. I wanted to be him and Paul O’neil when I was a kid. But at this point in his career I wouldn’t just be okay with him sliding to third to acquire Cabrera, I’d want it to happen.

            • Mike HC

              I think it would be a poor use of resources to have two starting caliber shortstops, where their bat really plays best at SS and becomes around average at other positions. And we also have Nunez, another player with similar a similar skill set. Since we already have Jeter, why not wait to use those trade assets for an outfielder, or catcher or a 3B (with ARod out).

          • Mister D

            Yeah, I’m speaking only to defense here. Jeter (reportedly) sees himself as a SS and nothing else, which makes sense because he’s been that his entire life and its the highest profile defensive position. Problem is he’s never been better than average and is now well below average. Like I said, if a similar comp like Ripken can move, Jeter can move. You just might have to move him if he won’t smile and do it himself.

            • Mike HC

              But I don’t think you can just take his offense out of the analysis. Playing a major league quality SS, even below average, is very valuable if you can hit like Jeter. Acquiring another shortstop, just to leave a logjam at 3rd with ARod and Jeter just doesn’t make sense to me. Unless Jeter’s defense really falls off a cliff next year, which we can’t predict, I don’t like the move.

              • Mister D

                Right, I get that, but Jeter’s offense is still good enough to carry another position, he’s not Russell Martin where bad elsewhere is good at catcher. There’s a tick down when he leaves SS, but I’d argue the gains of improved defense at SS (and potentially 3B, but that’s a wild card) and protecting Rodriguez would offset at worst. And really, the alignment of Cabrera 6, Jeter 5, Rodriguez DH has to trump whatever else we’re going to come up with where recovery Jeter and recovery Rodriguez are playing 4 out of 5 games in the IF, right? Just Cabrera’s ability to go every day would be a huge bonus, beyond the bump in range.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Most players, especially elite ones, lack self-awareness and think their skills aren’t declining, etc. Elite talent comes with elite self-confidence, not elite self-awareness.

            • Mike HC

              I agree. But up to this point, Jeter’s skills have not declined to that point. Will he probably be unwilling to admit to his decline when it actually happens? I guess probably looking back at history. But it hasn’t happened yet.

        • Ted Nelson

          Cabrera isn’t all that much better defensively. For the price difference in $ and prospects, I’d be looking at Yunel Escobar.

      • Mister D

        Plus, Jeter might make a solid 3B. Goes right well, has a strong arm. Could be a plus or non-minus there.

  • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

    Dear Brain Cashman:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....son-19809/

    Regards,

    – The Indians

  • NYCSPORTZFAN

    Every deal ever discussed on here, it seems people feel its 2 much, and then these prospects end up getting hurt or playing and there stock falls considerably, and it ends up being, 2 bad we didn’t make the deal..

    I’m all for making deals for prospects as long as the guy the getting is fairly young and can “HIT” and not just HR’s…

    I’d have no problem at all giving Heathcott, Nova, and one of Williams or Austin for Cabrera.. Now, if the indians dont want that,then they can bite me..lol Asdrubal isn’t exactly Miguel Cabrera or anything.. Hes a solid player though, whos proved it on th ML level, unlike these other guys who are yrs away except Nova…

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      Even though I don’t agree with the spelling, grammar, or punctuation of this post, 100% agree with the sentiment behind it.

      • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

        I am perfectly OK with the spelling of that post… but the punctuation is brutal. The content itself makes too much common sense for me to comment either way

    • Ted Nelson

      Deciding that risk means a negative outcome every time is really overly simplistic, and incorrect.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Right. Just because their future is uncertain doesn’t mean you trade all of them.

        This is how you wind up with Ken Phelps.

  • John

    This makes no sense, why waste the prospects. Cabrera is only a flashy defensive player. He is not great when it comes to the most basic of plays in the infield. He has 19 error last year with .971 fielding percentage. It’s not horrible, but we could get the same fielding from Eduardo Nunez with a few more years experience and a better bat/speed to boot. No thanks.

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      “He has 19 error last year with .971 fielding percentage. It’s not horrible, but we could get the same fielding from Eduardo Nunez”

      which Eduardo Nunez are YOU watching?

      • vin

        The same Eduardo Nunez that has more experience than Asdrubal Cabrera (you know, the guy who has been in the big leagues since Nunez was in A ball).

    • Now Batting

      Nunez made 20 errors in 106 games in 2011 for a .913 fielding percentage.

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        and extrapolates out to over 30 for 162 games.

        • Brian S.

          I tried using an extrapolation argument during my DMV hearing yesterday. It didn’t work.

          • Jim Is Bored

            Try it with an insurance agent.

            I’ve been in 0 accidents in 1 day! Extrapolate that out to 80 years and it’s still 0 accidents!

            • Gonzo

              Nick Swisher is an ace pitcher.

  • A.D.

    Would be real nice move, can play 3B this year, and provide Cano insurance next year, and/or Jeter insurance for an injury

  • Brian S.

    Yes.

  • Kosmo

    It has been mentioned that Cabrera would eventually be moved off SS perhaps to 2nd or 3rd but now he´s blocked by Kipnis and Chisenhall so a trade is a definite possibility. The Indians are loaded with SS prospects, 4 or 5 at last count. Cabrera is widely considered one of the worst defensive SS in the game.

  • mustang

    Now the rumors are flying that the Yankees are looking at Marco Scutaro and Kevin Youkilis. Look like to me like Cashman is trying push the issue with Indians either take the deal or we can find something else.
    Lets see if it works.

    • Kosmo

      if in fact it is NY in pursuit. There are easily 5-6 teams who could move Cabrera to 2nd or 3rd.

      • mustang

        “There are easily 5-6 teams who could move Cabrera to 2nd or 3rd.”

        Sure they are but are they offering the same package or better? That’s the ?

  • Dicka24

    Pass. Asdrubal Cabrera is a good player, but there’s no way I’m trading Phelps, Mason Williams, and Slade Heathcoat for him. He’s a .270, 20 hr bat, that plays Jeters position. Jeter didn’t move for Arod, do you honestly think he’s going to move to 3B for Asdrubal Cabrera? Hell no. Aside from the price, which is too high imo, Cabrera isn’t even a fit. I’d much rather overpay a Youkilis for 1 year, and get .270/20 out of him, than I would trade away the few higher quality chips the Yankees have in the cubbard. Guys like Mason Williams and Slade, if traded, need to be packaged for something better than Asdrubal Cabrera.

    • Mister D

      Do you remember who Ripken moved for?

    • mustang

      Can you name me a 3rd base Yankees prospect that will be ready next year that’s even in Cabrera zip code?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        TEH BRANDEN LAAAAIRD NEVER GOT A CHANCE

      • Ted Nelson

        That’s not really the question to ask, though. Are the Yankees better off without the prospects it takes to get him and Cabrera on their roster, or with those prospects, without Cabrera, and with someone else in his roster spot?

        All depends on who the prospects are and who replaces Cabrera on the roster, of course. With Drew and Keppinger still theoretically options at this point, I would definitely hold off. Even later using a combo of Adams and Chavez might not be the worst thing for a month or two.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’d rather give up one of the outfielders only, but I’d tie David Phelps up and drag him over to Cleveland myself. I wouldn’t even drive him.

      I’m a bit more interested in the larger deal being floated about, but there’s certainly a ton of forward thinking in looking at a younger legit guy like Asdrubal here.

      • Mister D

        I would set up a roadside stand somewhere on the PA turnpike and provide you with gatorade and a clif bar.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          The iced, chocolate chip kind?

          I actually love Luna Bars, even though I’m afraid they’ll cause me to grow tits one day.

  • There’s the Door

    Excellent player, a winner, a guy you want on your team, but the price is too high.

    • Gonzo

      The price for Asdrubal is too damn high!

  • Dicka24

    Manny Alexander I think? How’d he pan out?

    Derek Jeter is not going to switch positions. Certainly not for Asdrubal Cabrera. Whether or not he should, is not my point, and another topic altogether.

    I’m with the guy up above who mentioned David Adams as a place holder at 3B. Obviously you’d rather not have to rely on the kid, but if the alternative is giving up those pieces mentioned for Cabrera, or starting Adams/Nunez/Chavez at 3B, I’ll absolutely opt for the latter.