Dec
04

Winter Meetings Day Two Open Thread

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The Winter Meetings are only a day old, but they have yet to bring anything resembling good news to the Yankees. Alex Rodriguez will undergo surgery to repair some serious damage in his left hip next month, which will cause him to miss the start of the season. Now the club has to add a stopgap third baseman to a shopping list that already includes a starting right fielder, a starting catcher, a DH, a bench, and various depth players. Thankfully Spring Training is still more than two months away.

Joe Girardi will meet with the media at 5:30 ET today, but those things usually lack major news. Either way, I’ll have a recap. We’ll keep track of all the Yankees-related rumors and rumblings throughout the day right here, so make sure you check back in. Here are Monday’s rumors and here are today’s, with the latest up top (all times are ET):

  • 8:56pm: The Yankees have asked to see Youkilis’ medicals, though the two sides remain far apart on the dollars. I do not like where this is going. [Barbarisi]
  • 8:19pm: The Yankees remain in the mix for Scott Hairston. [Rosenthal]
  • 7:25pm: Brian Cashman confirmed that they’ve had conversations with both Youkilis and A.J. Pierzynski. [Dan Barbarisi]
  • 7:06pm: The Yankees are one of several teams with interest in Mark Reynolds. [Heyman]
  • 7:05pm: Updated demands! Keppinger is reportedly seeking $12M across three years now. [Heyman]
  • 6:02pm: The Yankees don’t want to break the bank on a third baseman even on a one-year deal. They’re nowhere close on money with Youkilis. [Curry]
  • 4:15pm: The Yankees have met with Chavez’s agent at some point during the Winter Meetings and expressed an interest in re-signing him for next season. This was inevitable following A-Rod‘s injury. [Ken Davidoff]
  • 3:33pm: Scutaro is seeking $24M across three years (!) while Keppinger is seeking $8M across two years. They’re basically the same player except Keppinger is five years younger. [Olney & Ken Rosenthal]
  • 2:01pm: The Yankees have “very strong” interest in Jeff Keppinger and met with his representatives yesterday. The A-Rod injury accelerated their timetable. [Jeff Passan]
  • 1:15pm: Kevin Youkilis is the top third baseman on the free agent market and the Yankees have spoken to his agent. The long-time Red Sox player is apparently open to a one-year contract if the money is good enough. [Jack Curry]
  • 12:55pm: The Yankees have checked in on Shane Victorino, who figures to get multiple years. [Jerry Crasnick]
  • 12:44pm: The Yankees have “likely interest” in Marco Scutaro, which means no one really knows if they have interest and are just guessing in the wake of A-Rod’s injury. [Ken Rosenthal]
  • 9:43am: The Yankees are talking to multiple nameless third base candidates. Speculate at your own risk. [Heyman]
  • 9:30am: The Yankees are open to discussing Curtis Granderson and Phil Hughes in trades. I wrote about what they could expect in return for their center fielder in a mailbag a few months ago, and I have a hard time seeing a realistic deal that would be worthwhile. [Buster Olney & Joel Sherman]
  • Although he intends to play in 2013, the Yankees have yet to talk to Eric Chavez about a new contract for next season. That figures to change pretty quickly in the wake of A-Rod’s injury. [Sherman]
  • Depending on who you ask, the Yankees either are or are not in on Yunel Escobar. I suppose they could have checked in before backing off. Considering their emphasis on strong makeup and character, I can’t imagine they would push hard to acquire him unless he came dirt cheap. [Jon Heyman, Jayson Stark & Olney]

Reminder: Your trade proposal sucks.

  • TheManchine

    Any word on the Keppinger pursuit?

    • Gerald Williams

      How about Grandy plus… to Texas for Mike Olt? Any thoughts?

      • Preston

        I doubt the Yankees want to make the Rangers better next year by trading them Grandy, and I doubt the Rangers would want to do the same by giving us a cheap position player. Just on straight trade value, I think it’s about right.

  • Laz

    I’d be open to trading Hughes or Grandy, just because any prospects they might get back could help the team get younger eventually. could be hard for them to get a worthwhile deal though.

    • TheManchine

      Agreed. They’d prob have to be packaged together to get a nice return. Maybe to Cincy?

      • viridiana

        Amazes me how consistently many Yankee fans undervalue their own talent.
        Granderson and Hughes — if they were on other teams and the Yankees wanted them — would be talked about as guys worth two or three top prospects. How many players last year hit 43 HRs — as did Grandy. He also played a skill position and is probably signable to a longer term deal should that be proposed. Hughes is 26, a bona fide and improving mid-rotation starter who has had seasons of 18 and 16 wins — and has also excelled in relief and even on several occasions in the post season.

        I only hope Cashman is not hoodwinked by some GM who covets but disparages two players who would be godsends to several teams looking to get over the top this year– indeed, the next few years. A team without luxury cap limits would likely be able to extend Hughes and re-sign Grandy. I believe the best move for the Yanks now is to sign Hamilton and trade Grandy, knowing that Hamilton will replace Cano when his contract expires. And if the Yanks should happen to sumble and fall out of things this year, they could trade Cano for a haul at mid-season. All these moves would put Yanks in position to compete for years — without foolishly surrendering young prospect talent that may be the best we’ll see under thew CBA for many years.

        • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

          I value both of these guys (maybe moreso than most for Hughes…) but I can see why they would be willing to trade them. They may have the most value of any players in the big club today, trade value wise.

          I am of the belief that they are not considering Granderson part of their long term plans. $189M or bust I guess. I honestly think the FO believes “Cano OR Granderson, not Cano AND Granderson” is the only way to get to 189.

          And Hughes might be more expensive than his actual value.

          That said, I would hate to lose either of them

        • http://www.yankeenumbers.com Mr. Sparkle

          How many guys struck out 195 times, like Granderson? (Only Adam Dunn, actually.) You do know there are other results of an at-bat other than home runs? I’ve personally been preaching more contact, less strikeouts when trying to build next year’s lineup. Not to mention he’s an average defensive player at best. Plus, he has above average speed, yet doesn’t steal bases or even attempt to steal bases. If Granderson were on another team, I’d be begging the Yankees to stay far away. For every step forward he took in 2011, he took a huge step back in 2012.

          • Peter Lacock

            Granderson played lotsa games so he had a high total. Lotsa guys K’d at a similar rate including Hamilton.

            Granderson is better on D than you think. He’s very good despite what some paperwork says.

            Granderson could steal 50 bases but the Yanks have told him not to try. His health is more important.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting

              Granderson is not a very good CF.
              He consistently gets bad reads and gets horrible jumps on balls. He was a well below average defensive CF this year.

  • Laz

    Can Chavez be expected to stay healthy everyday though with arod down for an extended period of time?

    • smurfy

      I think he could hold up if they form a platoon tandem.

      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

        I told one of my friends yesterday I was looking at Reynolds/Chavez platoon, so Chavez can have similar playing time.

        • Captain

          the only issue is that Reynolds is not a good defensive third baseman. not sure if he’s even passable over there anymore.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

            We could run him at DH for games after A-Rod returns in June-ish. At least at that point Reynolds still has an important role. I still picture Chavez could work half the games from April to June without much agony. I’m looking at this towards a temp solution, considering we just DFA’d my choice for an internal option.

            • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

              There’s also the option of taking on Michael Morse, despite the fact he’s played 3B nine times in the majors. That would be a gargantuan risk and not one I have total confidence in myself.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Reynolds would make sense if you had a role for a pure PH/DH, which is something I just don’t think teams have anymore with smaller benches and larger bullpens.

                We’re in love with the power and walks, but we seem to be overlooking the defense even more than we’re overlooking the strikeouts.

                • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

                  this. Mark Reynolds is a 1B/DH. He can fake 3B like Big Puma can fake it, but no one is clamoring for that reunion.

                  Wait a minute… *quick track math* Berkman IS available. This thing might have some legs! Print it! Tweet it!! MAKE IT HAPPEN CASH!!!!!

        • http://www.yankeenumbers.com Mr. Sparkle

          So, this team doesn’t have enough home run-or-strikeout guys? Don’t be fooled by what Reynolds did against the Yankees and Red Sox last year. He stinks. Look at his numbers and take out those against the Yankees and Red Sox and the Reynolds backers will be surprised at how awful he is. I’ve always been convinced he’s awful without that breakdown. I’ve watched him play.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      He seemed to do generally well last season while playing more games than has has since 2006 and getting more at bats than he has in 2007 (he played 90 games that year with 379 ABs and 113 games and 313 ABs last year). Seems he’s figured out what he needs to do physically to prepare for and during the season, at least to fill a platoon role.

  • smurfy

    Sure hope they hold onto Phil, extend him. He’s been experimenting with approaches, and he’s ready to blossom.

  • Nick

    What is the sense in trading Hughes? I guess if they know they wont resign him then it makes sense, but otherwise why rely on Nova and Phelps?

    • jjyank

      Obviously it depends on what they get back, but I would like to hold on to Hughes as well. It seems like pitching is the team’s strength right now and I would hate to see them weaken it.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Right. I think this is just them saying he’s not off limits, since the first three starters pretty much are.

        • Nick

          I agree. I really hope they can extend him this offseason…maybe the Niese deal? Or Holland deal?

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      This might be a carrot for San Diego (his DREAM STADIUM) as part of a package that might fill multiple holes.. Headley, Quentin, Veneble, Hundley…

      Not making a proposal,just musing… i know I know, MTPS

  • stu phillips

    The only answer is to sell team.!!!!!

    • Cris Pengiucci

      +1! Mark Cuban, New Yankee Owner!!

    • Robinson Tilapia

      In my experience, the Dutch tend to use way too much extra punctuation on the internet. Are you from stuphillipsplien?

  • CapitalT

    Grandi to Tex for 3b or SS. Texas has the pieces and needs the power to replace Hamilton

    • Bill

      Hal doesnot care about winning .

      Maybe he thinks he can get revenue sharing.

      He is going to become as cheap as the Mets.

      Sell the team if you dont care about winning.

      • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

        No, no, no, no.

      • jjyank

        What?

      • 0-fur

        Troll.

      • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

        LOL WUT?

    • Knoxvillain

      Texas doesn’t have anyone at third or short for the Yankees for Granderson.

      • forensic

        Well, Mike Olt has played 3B, 1B, and RF.

        • Knoxvillain

          Yeah, but they wouldn’t give him up for Granderson.

          • Gonzo

            I think I might do it. 6 years of Mike Olt, most of it at value, vs. 1 year of Grandy at $13mm, turns 32 before the season, fWAR’d 2.6, and bWAR’d 2.7 last year?

            • Gonzo

              Obviously, I’d ask for more though.

      • CapitalT

        Ott/Beltre at 3b and Andrus/Profar at SS.

  • Mike

    Just sign Hamilton and call it a day ! . now hit my music !

  • jason

    Reynold and Chavez platoon third base, sign stephen drew or Keppinger and sign carlos lee for dh , backup 1st baseman and backup LF(KIND OF LIKE IBANEZ)

  • Upstate Yanks

    Sign Keppinger for 2 years as a super utility. Chavez for 1 year.

    I still think now is the time to make a play for Stanton.

    Nova/Sanchez/Williams/Nunez (prob have to throw in Slade) – Stanton

    I know it’s emptying the farm but for a player like that…

    • Reggie C.

      Even that seems too little for Stanton. It really does.

      Texas could simply offer Elvis Andrus and that that lefty starter Martin and that would probably wrap it up.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I actually think that’s close to what it would take for Stanton.

        • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

          actually, switch Nova for Phelps and that is about what I would expect for a Stanton package… not that they’re trading him or anything

  • Reggie C.

    Its Headley time.

    When Arod comes back after missing 3-4 months, he’ll be relegated to DH duty from the start and slowly work his way back as 3B. Maybe Arod comes back and has a .280/.350/.450 second half, and that would be BEST CASE scenario imo.

    I’m not saying sell the farm for Headley, but if we only end up losing Gary Sanchez and one of the OF trio: Austin, Heathcott, or M.Williams, then the trade looks palatable.

    Gotta brace yourself for the likelihood that at least one of those four prospects i named is getting traded real soon.

    • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

      No way does 2 prospects land Headley.

      • Reggie C.

        I agree. I wasnt putting together an exhaustive trade scenario for Headley. I dont know which ML pieces would have to go … Hughes? Nova? I’m just saying that I dont see the yankees getting Headley without a couple high-end prospects getting dealt.

        • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

          and if couple you mean 4, then yes, I agree.

        • Knoxvillain

          Headley will cost Phelps, Williams, Sanchez, and Nunez if you’re lucky.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      Without going into who the Yankees should trade for and what it would take to get that player, I do feel the Yankees will need to control the amount of time ARod plays in the field the remainder of the ’13 season and then beyond that as well. If at all possible, the Yankees should look for someone (trade, FA, internal options) that can handle at least a platoon role at 3B now (with Chavez or someone else) and potentially grow into a full time player at the position. With this injury, it would appear ARod’s time in the field will be very limited going forward. Perhaps this can be used as a selling point for a potential FA that’s looking for a starting job.

  • Jonathan

    Go read the MLBTR comments on this rumor of Grandy being available. There are 2 camps…the fans that think the Yankees would trade their best power hitter to division and AL rivals for nothing without an upgrade and already needing another OFer and the camp that thinks he’s awful because the MSM told them you can’t win with HR’s and strikeouts are the devil.

    I love MLBTR and all but back before it became cool you could actually have a logical conversation about the rumors and trades and now it’s not just one fan overvaluing their piece of the deal it’s just pure insanity and lack of logic at all. I know! We’ll trade Granderson to Texas for Michael Young! Young couldn’t play defense 5 years ago but ESPN loves him and he’s a scrapper and would fill in for ARod while Granderson replaces Hamilton. I mean that seems perfect. We’d only need to take on a huge salary of a DH that has huge home/road splits and hit like shit last year and find 3 OFers (2 starting 1 righty 4th OFer) a starting C, starting DH and a couple of arms.

    • jjyank

      It happens with any site that gets big. Happened to LoHud, and some trolls have started to find their way over here as well. Nature of the internet.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      There’s a guy on the MLBTR comment section named YankFanSince78, or something like that, who I think is the only sane guy on there.

      • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

        He, or someone with a similar handle, posted on Bronx Banter a few years ago. Which reminds me I haven’t visited there in ages.

    • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

      Not disagreeing with either of your points about the commenters on that site or the ridiculousness of most fan proposed trades, but I don’t accept the argument that strikeouts are in no way worse than other outs. It’s just simply untrue. A groundout or fly ball can advance a runner or plate a run, a strikeout cannot.

      I’ve become less fond of Granderson because he’s turned into an all or nothing player, but realize there’s probably not any trade that could be made with him involved that benefits the Yankees for next year.

      • DC

        A groundout can also lead to a double play.

        • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

          This is true but a GIDP, if there are no outs, can also plate a run.

          The best case scenario of a groundball out is a run scored, next best case, runner advances, worst case inning ending GIDP.

          Best case of a fly ball out is a run scored, next best case runners advance, worst case (but a huge long shot) fly-out throw out double play.

          Best case of a strikeout is avoiding a double play (barring strike em out throw em out DP), worst case is not moving runners over.

          My point is it’s largely situational what type of out is better, but in general strikeouts are the least productive type of out. Sure there are cases where you’d prefer a strikeout to an inning ending double play, but the ground ball and fly ball alternatives (excluding weak infield pop ups) are going to be more beneficial most of the time. I just can’t get behind the “all outs are the same” crowd, because they’re not.

  • Travis L.

    What about Mike Aviles or Lonnie Chisenhall from Cleveland? Josh Harrison from Pittsburgh? Chris Nelson from Colorado? Jed Lowrie from Houston (and he can play SS some too)? Kyle Seager or Alex Liddi from Seattle? Oh, the possibilities. LOL.

    Of that group, maybe Aviles or Lowrie, since they can play both SS and 3B. Thoughts?

    • Reggie C.

      I like Lowrie. He’s a bit of a hacker but he’s got good power for the position. Lowrie isn’t young, and that too falls in line with Yankee philosophy…

    • Jersey Joe

      Chris Nelson seems like a good idea.

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      I like Aviles as a super utility guy, but not much of a bat and I am to guess that Cleveland overvalues him a touch

  • 0-fur

    That would be great because now we have SS, 3B, C, RF, DH and soon to follow CF and SP all to be filled Mr. Eduardo Nunez, YES! YES! YES!

  • John M

    Cash is a Ninja so I expect him to get this solved. I will impatiently wait for him to bust out his deals!

  • mt

    This offseason is fascinating – who will be the first player, by free agency or trade, to get any guaranteed 2014 money from Yanks?

    With Arod down I see no way that they can come close to matching the level of 2012 team unless they give some 2 year contracts for 2013 and 2014. Why would the Keppingers and Hairstons of the world come here in 2013 for just one year when other teams are offering them two or three years?

    I remember there was some call for getting S Victorino by some posters – now it seems he has several 3 year deals he is considering and even one four year deal on the table. Why would he come here for one year?

    I thought that there was hesitation to sign the Hamiltons and Swishers or even extend Cano because of 2014 uncertainty – I completely understand that when it comes to those larger contracts – but if we fail to make any 2014 commitments for the Keppingers and Hairstons of the world when their 2014 money probably wouldn’t even make up half Arod’s contract that to me is somewhat shortsighted, I think.Why would all the other teams in baseball offer these types of free agents one year contracts? (ibanezes of the world may only get 1 year deal.) Also would we need Keppingers and Hairstons of the world in 2014 given free state of our left side and our outfield (Gradner only one signed for 2014)?

    So I cannot see Yanks not extending any 2014 money at all to any new free agent players (and still being as good as 2012 team).

    I guess trade will have to be way we target folks like Choo on a one year deal but problem is that we will be giving up four or six years of control for people like Nova and Phelps. Maybe we prfer hurting 2015 by trading relatively cheap Nova and Phelps or even younger prospects like Austin, Williams, Heathcott since 2014 may be viewed as the real struggle (Arod’s $6 million bonus for 660 HRS now probably will be paid smack in 2014 when it looked before he got hurt that $6 million for 660 would be paid in 2013 and $6 million for 714 homers would be paid in 2015).

    Also I am not sure we get players that can help Yanks in 2013 from trading Grandy and Hughes. The teams that might be interested in acquiring those 2 who have 1 year remaining on their deals also probably want to win in 2013 (say, the Phillies for Granderson) so can’t see those teams trading substantially helpful 2013 pieces to Yanks.

    It will be fascinating.

  • Jersey Joe

    How about:

    TEX gets: Granderson, Nova (groundball pitcher),
    NYY gets: Olt, Gentry, C Pitching Prospect, Borbon as throw-in

    Who says no?

    • Knoxvillain

      Texas. All of that for a soon to be FA and a number four starter.

  • mustang

    “The Indians had the framework of a deal in place in which they would have received one big-league pitcher and two high-level prospects. When the Indians asked for a third prospect, the deal dissolved.
    The particular team the Indians were negotiating with planned to change Cabrera’s position,”

    This has Yankees written all over it so hopefully the Indians come back after not getting any better. I just wonder who the players are? More specifically the “two high-level prospects” I can theorize that the big-league pitcher is Nova.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I thought about this too. We’ll see.

      I agree with the camp here that says that “something” in the way of signing and trades beyond low-level stuff (for lack of a better term) will happen, even if it’s not on the timetable everyone wants it to happen on.

      • mustang

        Maybe it’s me since I seem to look at the positive side of things but maybe the whole A-Rod situation is a mixed blessing. Maybe now the Yankees can bring the young replacement without all pomp and circumstance and eventually turn A-Rod into a DH.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I honestly secretly hope Alex retires and leaves the Yankees, but I’m not going to hold my breath on that.

          I don’t think his replacement comes out of this situation. I think a solid stopgap does, but 2014 and forward just doesn’t seem like it’s going to be solved here.

          I just trust that, even with an eye on $189 and the trappings that come with that, they’re not going to throw assorted riffraff out there and hope for the best.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            “I honestly secretly hope Alex retires and leaves the Yankees off the hook with salary.”

            What I meant to say. Ending that sentence in “leaves” just makes it take on a very different meaning.

          • mustang

            I hope for the same, but I just don’t think it’s realistic. The only way I can see the Yankees getting anything on their A-Rod investment is by making him into a full time DH. Hopefully that will keep him out of the doctor offices and help him concentrate on hitting.

            Furthermore it will give A-Rod more time to pick up phone numbers from the female fans in the stands :)

          • forensic

            You sound like Harold Reynolds (sorry, not meant to be that mean), but he seems to think 4-6 months after January is August, then there’s no way he’ll come back in the middle of a pennant race so he won’t play at all, then he’ll have to have another hip surgery to fix the first one, and he thinks we’ll hear retirement talk about him this year instead of all that.

          • mustang

            “an eye on $189 and the trappings that come with that, they’re not going to throw assorted riffraff out there and hope for the best.”

            I don’t think that’s going to happen. I understand that its business decision to try and get under 189 however the whole Yankees empire (YES, etc.) runs of the success on the field.

            Now if they put a good team out there and lose that’s one thing, but if they “throw assorted riffraff out there and hope for the best” and lose that’s another thing.

            Hopefully the Yankees aren’t a penny-wise pound-foolish.

            • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

              “an eye on $189 and the trappings that come with that, they’re NOT going to throw assorted riffraff out there and hope for the best.”

              I think that’s exactly what he was saying.

              • mustang

                Ok miss the NOT

        • jjyank

          That’s a possibility, sure. Things don’t look great right now, but I’m rather curious to see how Cashman handles it.

  • Roy Munson

    The Yanks really are stuck between a rock and a hard place with this. There really is no way they can keep both and possibly either Cano or Granderson + they will not get close to equal value in a trade. Do you see any circumstance where the team doesn’t have to take a serious step back some point in the next 6 – 18 months.. I really don’t…

    • Ted Nelson

      Run the numbers again. They can keep both easily and stay under $189. Whether they should or not is a different matter.

  • emac2

    Grandy and Hughes to KC for Moose and sign Hamilton.

  • Cy Pettitte

    I have a hard time believing they’ll acquire a 3B with all the other holes right now, I think they’ll re-sign Chavez and platoon him with Adams at 3B until A-Rod comes back and focus on trading for a cost controlled outfielder and catcher if they don’t think Romine is adequate. Trying to trade for a 3B too is just too many holes to fill in one offseason without giving out any long term contracts.

    • Ted Nelson

      They are talking to the 3B would imply that they are looking at FA 3B, not trade targets. Trades would require talking to the team.

      There are also a lot of FA RF out there.

  • FLYER7

    Mike Olt to Yanks? Can play 1B and 3B and a passable outfield when Arod returns…

  • Thomas

    The Yankees are talking to multiple nameless third base candidates.

    It must suck to have parents that care so little about you that they couldn’t even be bothered to name you.

    • mustang

      LMAO

    • Gonzo

      This made me laugh.

  • jjyank

    Nats just signed Haren for 1/13, apparently. Nice move for them I think.

    • mustang

      “That $3.5MM, combined with the $13MM from Washington, will ensure that Haren ends up coming out ahead overall, earning a total of $16.5MM.”

      16.5 MM !!!!!!! For Haren

      God I hope my son can pitch.

      • jjyank

        Like I’ve told Tilapia, move to Cuba and teach him to throw left handed. Someone will throw several million at him!

        Seriously though, If Haren is healthy, he could be a steal on a one year contract. Though I’m not terribly optimistic after the Cubs backed out of that trade with Marmol.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/JesseDeWitt Jesse

    Giancarlo now.

  • thekid

    Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, Ivan Nova, Austin Romine, and Eduardo Nunez to Padres for Chase Headley and Nik Hundley? Or is that not enough…

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      I suppose I should just keep doing this all day…

      http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....son-19809/

      • emac2

        I’m sorry to hear that is the best way you can come up with to spend your day.

      • thekid

        Haha I’m not saying it’s good. Just musing.

  • fat jeter

    Maybe I’m just “a troll”, but I have no faith in this team winning anything next year. To me 2013 is a punt year. All this crap about “Cash Ninja” and winning now is just bullshit. We have 5 cornerstone players in CC, Jeter, Pettite, Mo, and A-Rod coming off of injury, all significantly slower, older, and less likely to have a break-out, carry the team to glory type season. There are no up and coming superstars on the horizon. All we have is last year’s team, minus RF, C, and 3B. I keep hearing we can’t trade Granderson because we can’t reproduce his bat. why would we want to do that? That bat cost us 195 Ks last year. Stop worrying about 1:1 reproduction and think about getting a haul of good young prospects that can make an impact for years to come. I will take years of future success over a final, clawing, desperate shot for a championship with an old, broken down reiteration of last year’s uninspiring group of swing happy, old millionaires.

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      “Maybe I’m just “a troll”, but I have no faith in this team winning anything next year.”

      0-162! glad you’re here

      • fat jeter

        anything as in a pennant or world championship, thanks for being so literal though. you must be a fun guy to hang out with. and just so you know, to “hang out” does not mean to literally hang from anchored items

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      I like that you think Granderson has a bat not worth reproducing, yet will still return a haul of good prospects.

  • emac2

    Why are people assuming that Arod is going to come back from his second hip surgery and play 3rd base?

    We should expect him to play at 1st or as a DH from here on out.

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      DH maybe, but Tex has 1B on lock, and he’s a much better glove there than A Rod would be, I would venture

      • emac2

        They could both play first just fine but you could probably only trade one of them without eating money.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          Would probably have to eat some money (or take back bad contract) to move Tex as well.

    • DC

      Why are you assuming he won’t?

  • Gonzo

    Does everyone else think Jim Bowden talks out of his b-hole?

  • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

    “The Yankees are talking to multiple nameless third base candidates.”

    Butbutbut… what will my new shirsey say on the back??? they haz no namez!!!

    • vin

      I can’t wait until 5 years from now when we see people wearing “RAUUUUUUUUUUUL” shirseys. Gotta love impulse buys.

      • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

        I have a buddy who still rocks a Pavano t-shirt. Not sure if hes being ironic or just a dick.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    This thread’s probably realtively dead, but I feel like expressing my opinion about this cause it’s changed recently:

    I think the Yankees should at least look in on Josh Hamilton, if not express some serious interest in signing him. Over the season and early in the offseason I was almost completely against signing Hamilton for obvious reasons; the addiction problems, falling off the wagon twice in Arlington, character issues, Mickey Mantle syndrome(abusing your body causing it to break down prematurely) ect, ect. But so far according to every report coming out of the Winter Meetings every team shares these concerns (for obvious reasons) and is refusing to go more than 4-5 years on the guy. My biggest problem with even looking in on Hamilton was that conversations were supposed to start at 7 years minimum. If the Yankees can swoop in and get him for 4 or 5 years, I would actually be okay with that. Just my 2cents.

    • vin

      Just be aware that signing Hamilton for more than 1 year (which he’d obviously require) would almost certainly prevent them from re-signing Cano.

    • DC

      I keep looking for something like that to happen. I can’t see him locking down 7 years, but who knows.

    • Mike HC

      In an alternative universe where the Yanks would keep their payroll at around 210-220 million, then I would love Hamilton. But with the 189 budget, it doesn’t seem to make sense.

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      The only team that HAS to offer him 7 years to be in the conversation is Seattle. Everyone else is probable at 4-5. That said, I would rather have Cano than Hamilton, and yes in 2014 those two contracts are in fact mutually exclusive unless A-Rod disappears.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      See I completely forgot about Robinson’s impending free agency…thanks for pissing on my parade guys =P

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    The Yankees have spoken with Kevin Youkilis’ agent, reports Jack Curry of the YES Network (Twitter link). According to Curry, Youkilis would consider a one-year deal if the salary was at a “premium amount.”

    Via mlbtr

    If they sign him period, let alone to a “premium amount” I will literally vomit.

    • Reggie C.

      You’d hate it until Youkilis had his “yankee moment”. All i’m saying is you gotta root for the laundry!

    • Mike HC

      Youk on a one year deal sounds great. Not so sure about the “premium amount” though.

  • mustang

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....tract.html

    Just WOW!!!

    Robinson Tilapia when you wish upon a star…..lol

    • mustang

      Either:

      A) A-Rod comes back and becomes a full time DH part time 3rd basement.
      or

      B) Never plays again and the Yankees are free from the monster contract

      win and win

      • Gonzo

        Does that mean he has to be on the DL for a full season without insurance before it starts paying out?

        • mustang

          “the third baseman would have to be disabled for a full season before the team could begin collecting on the policy.”

          I think yes.

          • Gonzo

            Meaning the first year on the DL is lost money?

            • mustang

              not sure

            • mustang

              Even so after insurance you’re talking about 23M or so to get out of A-Rod’s contract I thinking the Yankees would take that in a minute

            • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

              At that point, who cares. If he has to walk away and you get his salary (or most of it) off your books, then you consider the 2013 money a wash and move on from there.

    • Tom

      Even if the Yankees end up getting insurance money back, barring retirement he’s still counting 27.5mil per year toward the luxury tax calculation. I don’t even think it will help this year as the Yankees won’t know if insurance is a real option until after the season. Would they go over their budget this year assuming/hoping insurance money back later?

      What is driving the payroll to the ~175mil range is the luxury tax # not actual payroll (with insurance factored in). And while 189mil is the luxury tax #, with benefits and AAV nuances, the actual payroll will need to be ~175-178, or lower, to achieve this.

      It doesn’t matter to me who is paying ARod’s salary (the Yankees or some insurance company) if the Yankees are still getting dinged 27.5mil toward the luxury tax threshold and that is what is ultimately driving their strategic direction.

  • Gonzo

    2/24 is the rumored price for Scutaro?
    Holy smokes.

    • Cash

      not worth it

  • Cash

    No Youk! I hate that guy……….

  • Cash

    How about AROD, Hughes
    for Andre Eithier, Carl Crawford?

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  • G

    https://twitter.com/ChiTribRogers/status/276077188049170432

    Considering this is the only report of this, I have to assume this is BS.

  • John

    the yankees should explore trading mark texeira to the nationals for a guy like morse and some prospects, then they should sign hamilton, then they should trade granderson for some 1b/3b help and some young players.
    CF Gardner
    SS Jeter/Nunez
    2B Cano
    LF Hamilton
    RF Morse
    3B ARod/Chavez/Adams
    DH Nunez/Jeter/ARod
    1B ?
    C Cervelli/Romine/Steward
    Not a bad lineup and with Cano/Hamilton man is that a fearsome 3/4

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