King: Yankees will not make Aledmys Diaz a contract offer

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Via George King: The Yankees will not offer free agent Cuban infielder Aledmys Diaz a contract following his private workout on Friday. They aren’t planning to offer right-hander Odrisamer Despaigne a contract either, but he isn’t much of a prospect.

Diaz, 23, is said to be seeking upwards of $20M, according to King. He worked out for the club at their minor league complex in Tampa and I guess they weren’t all that impressed. The Yankees have reportedly been scouting Diaz for months, so they are familiar with him. There are questions about his long-term potential but it is surprising they won’t even make an offer.

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  • Mattchu12

    Shucks. I was hoping we’d snatch him up.

    • paul

      It is easy to understand, he is not at least 32

  • gman

    Unless he turns into a bust… This sucks.

    He is the EXACT type of player we need. Infielder with possible potential and very young

    • lightSABR

      I’m fairly happy about it. I was a little worried he was going to be the Cuban version of Kei Igawa – we signed Igawa because we missed out on Dice-K, then we sign Diaz because we stupidly didn’t sign Cesepedes or Puig.

      I mean, if not signing him is just about saving money, then I’m against it. But I suspect what it’s really about is that he’s just not that good.

    • woody brosnan

      You could sign an established free agent shortstop for two to three years for that kind of money. 2nd basemen are even cheaper except for Cano.

  • Rick

    Already had my jersey made

  • CashmanNinja

    Well I’m pretty pissed at this. I really wanted this guy. We lack MLB ready prospects as it is…:|

  • Willie

    To much money for big money Hal. His talk of building up the farm system was all talk.

    • Steve (different one)

      Considering the fact that you posted over and over that Hal was too cheap to sign Tanaka, maybe they just don’t love Diaz?

      After $550M this winter, he doesn’t get any benefit of the doubt I guess.

      • Dropped Third

        Come on man don’t you know the yankees have to sign every player possible regardless of what their scouting department thinks and if any player under performs it’s Cashmans fault.

    • Fernando

      They plan to spend several times the international bonus pool,which will mean more in penalties. How can you say they are just talking of building the system. They are already rumored to have verbal agreements with six players and already signed one Columbian pitcher earlier today. And they are rumored to planning a second wave. Check out Kiley McDaniel’s reports for names, figures and a bunch of other details. No one can say accuse the team of not spending cash this off-season. The question is did they pay and acquire the right players.

    • jjyank

      Or…maybe they just didn’t like him. Not everything has to have a direct link to whether or not Hal is cheap.

  • BigLoving

    Must have not been that impressive. Every report I hear says the Yanks are going to spend like drunken sailors during the international signing period so they must not think Diaz is going to be anything special. The scouting reports I have read on this guy seem to suggest the same.

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      He’s 23. He doesn’t count towards their international signing budget, which is what I believe you’re referring to. He’s basically a FA.

      • BigLoving

        Oh I was aware he wouldn’t count towards their spending pool. I was referring more to the fact that the Yankees are supposed to spend heavily on young talent to restock the farm system. There must be a concern of what Diaz’ ceiling is if they are going to pass him up altogether.

    • Angelo

      International signing period =/= Aledmys Diaz.

      He’s a normal free agent because he’s 23+ years old. Anyone younger that does not play in North America is subject to the International signing period rules.

  • Kevin

    Weird. Morosi was claiming they had an offer out. Oh well.

  • stuckey

    So the point here seems to be we want the Yankees to sign anyone, at any price regardless of whether the Yankees actually think he’s any good?

    Even the most optimistic of scouting reports suggest a league average bat at the best case scenario, and likely limited to second base and not to expect above average speed or defense there either.

    Is the idea now that we want the Yankees to outbid everyone IN case the available analysis – including their own – is wrong?

    Man, that’s not even the shiny new toy theory, that’s the sh**ty new toy theory.

    • Preston

      Yup, not a SS, not a very good bat, no speed. But sign him because he’s the most exciting Cuban defector available currently.

      • I’m One

        In fairness, even if he’s only a 2B, he’s still filling a position of need. However, the Yankees must feel they have options that are more cost effective for them, either due to salary or long-term potential.

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      Exactly, just because he’s young and plays a position that the NYY aren’t particularly strong at doesn’t mean they have to sign him or he’s necessarily good.

      I’ll trust the FO and scouting department on this one. They obviously didn’t like what they saw or thought he was asking for too much in comparison to his talent level.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Exactly.

      The little we know makes him a perfect match, doesn’t it? 23. Apparently has some skills. SS open for the taking in 2015.

      This is not information only we’re privy to. The Yankees know this too…..and they’ve both scouted him AND brought him in for a private workout. If this report is true, then they did not like what they saw recently.

      But, hey, let’s use this as a reason to make fun of ownership and deride the team. It’s what real Yankee fans do.

    • SteveP

      Exactly…so when they drop $30 million on a player that turns out to be Nunez, Dee Gordon, or Luis Cruz we all can say “Why didn’t you see that coming?!?!?!”, “ANOTHER Igawa” or “Cashman Fails” or whatever the Meme of the day is…

      IF they think he is worth it, THEN they will sign him…if not then ya know, they won’t and we can all continue on with our day

    • jjyank

      Pretty much. Every time the Yankees pass on a player that we hardly know anything about, there will be a contingent of fans here that will piss and moan about the Yankees somehow being cheap, despite spending over half a billion dollars this offseason.

  • D23

    Just curious why some were expecting big things from Diaz where the reports have nothing been too spectacular? Yanks already addressed couple of things (though a few holes still remain) and we’ll just see where this team goes.

    Lets hope our own guys in Charleston and Tampa are going to rise through the chain quickly.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      They were singing his praises before they even knew what his name was.

      • Tom

        Oh the irony:

        http://riveraveblues.com/2014/.....nt-8017302

        Not a better prospect that Sanchez, if you ask me. I’d say #2.

        (for folks not wanting to follow the link this was in reference to IF prospects…)

        Oh, the irony… (it wqs different then.. the Yankees were supposedly interested at the time of this “analysis”. Now that they are apparently no longer interested – what do people really know about the guy?)

        • Preston

          To be fair, we don’t have a lot of good infield prospects. So really he’s saying that if you pay 20 million for a guy you’d hope he’s going to make a quicker impact than JR Murphy or Eric Jagielo. I pegged him as below Jagielo. Maybe when he showed up he looks like less of a player than Rob Refsnyder. Who knows. I’ve never seen the guy play. I’ve just heard what scouts have said which is he’s not likely to ever hit better than league average, he’s not likely to stick at SS and he doesn’t have much speed on the bases. Sure if he hits his ceiling he could be an adequate big leaguer. But that doesn’t sound like this guy has a lot of upside regardless of him being 23 and at a position of need. I mean, Cito Culver for all his warts at least is considered a good defensive SS and can swipe some bags, and he’s only 21. Doesn’t make him a good big league prospect.

  • StanD

    lol

    Of course they won’t. Why would they with all of the infield depth that they have and the plethora of infield talent in the minor leagues……

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      Most scouting reports suggest he’s not a SS and is pretty mediocre at the the plate, in the field, and on the base paths. A lot more can be done with the money he’s supposedly seeking.

    • jjyank

      lol

      Why do you assume that he would even be worth ~$20 mil? Did you scout him personally? Did you attend his private workout?

      No? Your just some random guy on the internet with no knowledge at all, yet pretending to know more than an MLB scouting department? Oh, okay then.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    They scouted him for years. They had him in for a private workout.

    I’d say that’s a better vantage point than StanD, Willie, and gman had.

    All I know is what I’ve read. I don’t even know what the guys looks like.

    Time will tell. Who knows….maybe it’s even Morosi who is right here.

    • BFDeal

      I’m withholding an opinion until I hear the expert analysis from “guy with 11th new screen name this offseason”.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        We need a better radar on that guy.

        • lightSABR

          Let’s start with a nickname, so that we don’t have to keep track of whatever he’s calling himself in this week’s rant.

          Any ideas?

          • jjyank

            Douche nozzle?

            • I’m One

              I second that nomination.

    • MartinRanger

      That’s the thing. It’s not like they just had ‘internal discussions’ about the guy, they actually brought him in for a private workout. They’ve done their background. and they’ve concluded he’s not going to be worth the contract he’ll get.

      I’m disappointed that he probably isn’t good enough. If he was a better player he’d be an ideal addition. But if he’s a reserve, a utility man at best – the Yankees can do better when other players become available.

      I still wish they would sign Drew, but Boras is asking what, 14 million a year for a guy with chronic injury woes and average defense? Hell no. If that’s what Boras expects, I can’t blame the Yankees for passing.

      • jjyank

        Exactly. If the Yankees thought he was going to be good, I’d be thrilled to have him. But they don’t, and they know a hell of a lot more about the guy than I do, so I don’t really care.

    • Tanuki Tanaka (Formerly Bob Buttons)

      I heard from somewhere that he’s over 8 feet tall, breathes fire out of his nostrils and his arms are in perfect cylindrical shapes. Also he has a beard that goes to his ribs.

  • RetroRob

    Surprising.

    Although I was just catching up on Klaw’s recent chat and when someone asked him about Diaz (who he says he has not seen as he doesn’t scout international), he said that the scouts and talent evaluators he spoke to thought he’d be a “spare part”, or reserve, or some less-than-exiciting profile.

    Yet, still, surprised at no offer. Maybe they already know he’s going to get way more than they’d pay.

  • The Great Gonzo

    Interesting… Morosi says they have an offer in, King says no offer, but they just had a private workout in Tampa. This reads a lot like the Yankees either were expecting something different than what they have apparently scouted for some time, OR a NinjaCashman special on the way.

  • Wicomico Pinstripes

    Contrary to popular belief, the Yankees do have a spending budget. If passing on Diaz and his $20-30M asking price meant a Gardner extension possible, I’m all for this.

  • stuckey

    You know what, if we’re going to be irrationally exuberant over an infield “prospect”, I’m going to keep it in the family and go with the guy who’s a plus defender at SS, is probably defensively close to ML ready right now, projects to stay at SS, mashed .355/.394/.484/.878 in 16 games at Tampa to end last season and won’t cost the Yanks a single extra nickel this year.

    I’m sorry, you can’t talk me out of it.

    • Wicomico PInstripes

      I see what you did there.

  • Chris

    Guessing he was too young. After Tanaka, the Yanks didn’t want another guy 25 or under.

    Seems odd they’ve been scouting him for months and now they determine they don’t want him? Would think they would have known what he would be asking for before they brought him in for a tryout.

    • lightSABR

      Really? If they already knew what they thought of him, why bring him in for a tryout at all?

    • jjyank

      Oh wow, another dumb age joke! So original.

      Why is it odd that they determined that they didn’t like him? Maybe after all that scouting, they simply realized that he wasn’t good.

  • Tom K

    The only reason why he is intriguing is because he is young and plays the middle infield. Guess what? There are plenty of young American players toiling around in the minors right now who play the middle infield and aren’t very good. The Yankees could trade for one of them, while not spending $20M or wasting a potential 40-man slot. It is quite possible they view Diaz on the same level as the player I described above.

    • MartinRanger

      I mean, the relevant question here is: is Diaz likely to be better than Dean Anna (who more or less fits your description), in the short or long term?

      If the answer to the first is ‘no,’ signing him makes little sense right now. If the answer to the second is ‘no,’ signing him would be certifiable lunacy.

  • Dalek Jeter

    So…what you’re saying is he’s signed already

    #cashninja

  • Nathan

    I’d be interested to hear what Cashman’s plan is for the infield in the near future. 1 year, 3 year, 5 year plan.

    • MartinRanger

      Sign Headley and/or pray really hard that Jagielo and Refsnyder pan out? Hope they’ve found a gem in Dean Anna? Hope Greg Bird keeps pounding the baseball and Teix is a amenable to sharing DH time in his later years?

      SS is the real problem – it’s really hard to get above average production with good defense there.

    • Kevin

      Personally the trade target I see out there is Starlin Castro on the Cubs. They have legendary infield depth coming up, he seems like a guy who might benefit from a change of scenery, the fanbase doesn’t love him to my knowledge so he’s very tradeable. The only downside is if he keeps mentally mucking it up while he’s in new york, the fans will tear him to bits when he’s the heir to Jeter. Or, of course, if he actually just sucks and last year is his actual talent level.

  • TWTR

    I’m not going to fault them for not spending money; Hal has been forced to spend a ton (far more than he should had to if the farm system was even producing at an average rate), but in terms of being correct on talent evaluation, only time will tell.

  • dkidd

    how long until the next stephen drew thread?

  • qwerty

    This guy is either terrible, or the yankees are just horrible at scouting and finding talent. Now I’m curious as hell how Diaz will turn out because some team will eventually pick him up.

  • LarryM Fl

    IMHO, the Yankee workout disclosed some red flags. Flags that indicated a 20 million dollar contract is an over spend. Plus we have three or four guys who can give us the same production. As fans we know the depth chart at shortstop for the Yankees. This is a glaring statement of Diaz’s ability to play in the majors.

  • Baked mcbride

    Good Lord, last season sucked

  • Blake

    Hopefully the Yankees looked at it and thought…..why spend 20 million on a kid that might be Eduardo Nunez 2.0 when they can just sign Steven Drew who is already pretty good and can help them now ….of course they might just do nothing at all

  • Tombtrek

    George King has no credibility. He is a hack who only steals others info. Not worried about him as a source. Mike Axisa is not much better.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      And yet you spend time on his site.

    • Ahk

      Wow… I don’t agree with Mike a lot either but… that’s a bit harsh on his own blog.

    • jjyank

      Mike also isn’t a reporter…he just writes on a blog. Which means that he gets his info elsewhere. One is not like the other. Don’t be a dick.

    • Havok9120

      I’m sure he thanks you for contributing to his net worth, anyway.

    • CS Yankee

      So you’re saying he’s better.

      This site is great, so is Fansgraph. I tend to disagree with Axisa 25% of the time, Cameron 75% of the time and maybe 10% with Sullivan’s posts. Thing is, I’m wrong quite a bit as well…thought they would roll in 2009 and they did…thought that 2010 would be easier, clearly wrong.

      They are all good with different views, let you know where they’re coming from and are free.

  • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

    In his chat last week, KLaw mentioned that “I don’t know much, other than hearing from a few people that he might be a utility guy not a starter.”

    If they’re not going to offer a contract, obviously I hope that’s the case.

  • JLC 776

    As badly as we need infield depth / future prospects, $20M is pretty steep for someone who has never even seen NY. That’s a high-risk bet right there – and we’ve already made one of those this year.

  • Eduardo “VeggieTales” Nunez

    Rob Refsnyder is the future. You heard it here first!

    • CS Yankee

      The one on his heels isn’t bad (so far) either…Katoh.

  • Algernon Blackwood

    Did King all of a sudden become a reliable source?

  • sjb23

    As much as I wanted Cruz to be a “real find”, I’ll give the FO the benefit of the doubt here – in fact, this may proof that they are making smarter decisions instead of just throwing money at problems regardless of risk.

    Many times scouting reports are only as good as the player’s productivity after the fact – in other words, if an organization’s original opinion winds up matching the player’s future performance, then they’re doing a fantastic job. IMO, I think most scouting decisions are nothing more than semi-educated guesses.

  • Logan

    It’s not just king, there is at least one more guy in the know who has sources that confirm the Yankees were “close” and then suddenly backed out… they must have seen something they really didn’t like

    https://twitter.com/MaxWildsteinMLB/status/437795932470403073

  • Martin L

    If Diaz is asking for $20 mm and if he’s not that impressive–why should the Yankees make an offer? They’ve been accused of overpaying for other players–this would be an extreme example if they did move forward.

  • jimmy

    So…if we are to assume the Yankees scouted him but didn’t like him so he must not be that good….the talk from the Cardinals reports are that they like him and will offer him a contract.
    Point is….I trust the Cardinals scouting staff much more than our teams scouting staff right now.
    The Yankees also chose not to chase Darvish and Cespedes and Puig and Chapman so…
    Again….it really seems more like a money thing….or a bad scouting thing in general with these Cuban players.
    I do not think we just find a simple answer here.
    If Nunez is actually better…sure that is the guy that prevented us from trading for Cliff Lee….our scouts really thought highly of him at a similar age.

  • Ed

    No Problem, Baltimore SS will be coming to Yanks next season.

  • lou

    I heard that Diaz had some medical issues–one thing we don’t need is spending on an injured prospect.