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Fan Confidence Poll: March 19th, 2012

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Given the team's current roster construction, farm system, management, etc., how confident are you in the Yankees' overall future?
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  1. Cris Pengiucci says:

    Considered going to a 12 with the Pettitte news and Jeter having a calf issue (We know what happened after his calf injury last season).

    Also considered going to a 3 since the Yankees may need 2 seasons at/under $189 Mil to get the lucury tax breaks they seem to be looking for.

    Still at a 9.

  2. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Still a 9. I’m seeing nothing that isn’t just regular Spring Training issues. Nova get rocked? Well, someone was going to be. You don’t get off without a question or two which will likely be solved soon enough.

    The only way Andy Pettitte’s arrival isn’t good news is if you tend to answer to the names “David Phelps” or “DJ Mitchell,” as they just took another undeserved step back in the depth chart. Life’s tough when you’re trying to crack the Yankee rotation right now. I have a feeling we’ll be seeing them both anyway this year.

  3. CS Yankee says:

    A 9…which is about how many viable starting pitching options we have this year and how many hits Ibanez is expecting to get prior to June; when he is cut for….Johnny Damon or Jorge Posada.

    Thinking that Nova, Hughes & Garcia are going for the 4-5th SP spots with Pettitte coming along in mid-May to replace one of them.

  4. Drew says:

    I said 8. They now have a crazy amount of quality depth in the rotation. I am sad though that this most likely means that Hughes will be going to the pen, even though he has been coming out like gangbusters this spring.

  5. Kosmo says:

    I´m almost certain Garcia will be dealt by the end of ST. I´m in the minority here over the Pettitte signing, I think he creates more of an unnecessary logjam for a SP role than NY already has in the wings with Garcia, Phelps and Warren.
    If old father time doesn´t effect the play of the left side of the infield and NY gets decent production out of the DH spot and if the current pitching staff is as good as I think it is then we´re looking at a 98 plus win team.
    D.J. Mitchell = Ramiro Mendoza ?

    • CountryClub says:

      They shouldn’t trade anyone until Pettitte is extremely close to joining the Yanks. And even then, only if the rest of the rotation is healthy. There’s no reason to trade away your 6th starter until you’re positive he’s becomeing your 7th starter.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I think folks are clinging on to what they’re reading way too much. I think Pettitte is back because he missed the game and, whether we’ve heard he’s “coming back as a starter” or not, he’s ultimately going to do what’s best for the team. If all five starters are going strong, and Andy is ready, looking good, and healthy, he’s going to pitch wherever he’s best needed at the time. That being said, do we all really think the stars will align perfectly like that? Someone will get hurt. Someone will be struggling. Hell, that person struggling or hurt might even be named Andy Pettitte.

      I feel bad for Warren, Phelps, and Mitchell, but that’s life in 2012 as a Yankee AAA pitching prospect. They’re going to have to seize every opportunity given to them. There will still be, minimum, one rotation spot open in 2013, for whichever of them is still around to compete for, plus Banuelos and Betances who, by the way, is looking pretty damn good so far.

      Garcia will be fine. He’ll find himself somewhere else, in someone’s rotation, soon enough.

    • DM says:

      I think you need to distinguish between “shopping” your perceived surplus pitching and entertaining offers from other teams. I’m sure Cashman’s phone started ringing about many names (not just Garcia, who wasn’t being courted by too many teams before re-signing with the Yankees) after the Andy comeback news. It’s time to sit back and wait, not take action to make room for this or that. If a team wants to overpay for Garcia — or Hughes — or the AAA guys — or anyone not named CC, you listen — but that’s different than trying to dump one of them to clear the “logjam”. There’s no problem here that needs to be fixed.

  6. CountryClub says:

    Girardi has already said that Jeter will not play Wed or Thurs (road games0. So wouldnt you just hold him out until Friday? This is spring training after all, no reason to play him tomorrow. Take the extra 3 days.

  7. Alkaline says:

    First time poster, long time reader. First of all, great site. Love being able to follow the Yanks like this.

    Second, I’ve been voting 8-9. A great deal to be excited about. There will be bumps in the road, but you can’t help but have high expectations for this team.

    • Monterowasdinero says:

      Alkaline was a player who basically touched all the bases.

      /weak chemistry joke

      I am at 9

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        You tried.

      • Betty Lizard says:

        I laughed.

        And I tip my 9 to you.

        (It’s spring training. And Andy! I have to be at least a 9. I’m usually an 8 during the season, considering current performance and long term promise. I regard an 8 as very, very good.)

  8. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Anyone listening to Colin Cowhird right now? I completely agree with him on Pettitte. If he turns out to be that much of a vital piece for this team, a hell of a lot will have gone wrong. Love it, and that’s not a knock on Pettitte at all.

    • Kosmo says:

      I´m not listening but I would hazzard a guess your referring to Pineda or Kuroda ?

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        I’m not referring to anyone in particular at all. We have a reasonable idea of who the five starters are. For, by November, for Pettitte to not only have replaced one of them, but performed to the level that it was his presence/performance that got the team to wherever they wound up at, would mean that a lot of what we thought about those five starters would have not worked out.

        That’s not a scenario I’m looking for. I want “feel-good moment” more than “Pettitte saved the day.”

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Not listening so don’t know the context, but I could see Pettitte being their second best SP without anything really going wrong. That’s if everything goes right with Pettitte. (Of course if he’s marginally better than 3-6 one could argue that’s not really vital and again I don’t know the context.)

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Context was Colin talking about how a 40 y/o signed to a MiLB deal got more press than trading for a young phenom pitcher and how wrong he felt that was. I don’t agree with that part of the statement, other than him seeing Pineda as more of a difference-maker than Pettitte, which I agree with in the long-term.

        I agree. Pettitte could be better than anyone not named CC if he hasn’t lost a step (and that’s to be seen. The last person’s word I’ll take for it on that is Andy’s.) I’d rather not have to figure out whether he is in 2012.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          Yeah, the press jumping on popularity thing is pretty inevitable.

          I have about as high of expectations for Pettitte in 2012 as Pineda. Pettitte has proven he can do it time and time again. That’s not to say he definitely still has it or he might not get a random injury even if he does still have it… but after only one effective season Pineda is hardly a lock himself.

          Also, Pettitte didn’t cost them their best position prospect in over a decade. In one case you’re celebrating getting something for pretty much nothing (a minor league deal), and in the other you’re evaluating a deal with an enormous downside to go with the upside.

  9. jjyank says:

    Also a 9. You can never have too much pitching, and the Yanks have plenty of good options. Our farm system has a pretty good combination of AAA pitching depth and high ceiling guys in the lower levels. Our MLB team has the talent to potentially be the best team in the league (again). Its hard not to be optimistic. Sure, there are some minor holes we can nitpick about, but seriously, what team is 100% perfect with not a single weakness? I feel good about the 2012 Yankees.

  10. I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

    I’m at 8. Would be a 9 but for the $189mm for 1 (2?) years thing, especially as it relates to the Cano/Granderson situation.

  11. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Solid 8.

    Love the depth in the rotation but the $189 payroll for 2014 and 2015 in addition to the international FA and draft caps do provide cause for concern.

    I starting to think that they should send Pineda to AAA for a month until he gets into shape and gets his fastball back to the mid 90s especially after reading Cashman’s comments the other day where he said he thinks Pineda came to camp overweight and probably didn’t work out much this winter. Better to send him a message right from the start.

    That would also allow them to keep Garcia in the rotation and keep his trade value up.

    • Monterowasdinero says:

      Out of shape? I thought that was the “bored” guy we traded him for.

      • Manny's BanWagon says:

        We traded a bored guy for a fat lazy guy.

        It’s mind boggling that this is what you get from young professional athletes on the verge of making tens of millions of dollars.

        • Havok9120 says:

          “fat lazy guy.”

          ……seriously?

          Ten pounds. Ten pounds that he lost almost all of in a week and a half. And velocity that’s improved incrementally every time out. Velocity which improved again as the 4 innings (his longest start, which puts a hole in the velocity issue right there) continued.

          Gimme a break. That’s either negativity simply for the sake of being negative or lingering bitterness over the trade. It certainly not based on anything like logic or the evidence provided by his, what, 3 weeks in camp?

          • Ted Nelson says:

            I think it was mostly hyperbole… but I don’t think it’s overly negative. Showing up out of shape and lacking velocity is hard to see as anything positive. It’s not damning, but it’s not good. I think ignoring it altogether is really odd.

            This part of it is sort of illogical and objective, but with the 2011 Phil Hughes experience I can see why Yankees fans would be especially weary of a young pitcher showing up out of shape and lacking velocity. While not everyone who fits that criteria is going to have a mysterious shoulder issue like Hughes, the logical part of it is that it does increase the likelihood that he’s already playing through an injury or will incur one due to poor conditioning. Again… I don’t see how one could spin showing up out of shape without velocity as a positive.

            • CJ says:

              I can’t see 10-20 lbs on his frame resulting in an out of shape condition and loss of velocity, stamina maybe.
              You’re right a power pitcher needs his power fastball. I don’t know when it’s a concern. I’m trying not to worry yet. I’m hoping it takes him personally a while longer to build up his velocity in spring training. Or that he is not mature enough as a pitcher to know how to pace himself in ST and holds back on fb. An arm injury or indefinite loss of velocity is too scary.

            • Havok9120 says:

              Because he’s supposedly following the same pattern he did in the minors with his velocity? Because his velocity has improved every time out and power pitchers are generally the last guys to hit their season velocity? Because he’s still be very, very effective? Because he only showed up overweight by his own definition and not the team’s as far as we know? Because 10 lbs on a guy that wants to weigh 270 is a….what? 5% difference?

              I’m not spinning it into a positive, nor am I ignoring it altogether. I was responding to the idea that he had committed sins sufficient to be due a wake up call send down to the minors. And given the way the two posts are worded, sure, part of it is hyperbole, but he also clearly thinks Pineda’s been screwing up enough to send him down.

              As for the Hughes comparisons, yes they’re there, and yes paranoia which stems from that makes some sense. But Hughes was just plain BAD last spring. Pineda has not been and, at times, has looked pretty darn good. What’s more, his slider seems much less affected by the magic disappearing velocity than the FB, which would seem to be a positive, at least on the injury front. When we see Pineda stop making progress on the velocity front, then I’ll start seriously worrying about it. Until then, we’re three weeks in and it means very little.

              • Manny's BanWagon says:

                If you read Cashman’s interview, he said he was 20 lbs overweight and “I bet you it’s the first time he picked up a ball and started working out, and he’s probably using — it doesn’t make it right, if this is the case, but I can’t tell you it’s the case — but he’s probably using spring training to get himself in shape. ”

                When you’re a 23 year old professional athlete, this is not acceptable.

                • Havok9120 says:

                  Where is it? I never saw it.

                  And what 20 lbs? We’ve heard 10 from everywhere else. We need details (not from you, not implying that) before we start bashing the guy. Cash can say “20″ all he likes and he’s in the right if the team told Pineda to get to 260 before camp. If they didn’t…then we’re back to 10 lbs that only Pineda saw as an issue initially.

                  And even then, you can’t call him lazy. Dumb maybe, for not using the offseason for much more than rest, but not lazy. The guy shed pounds pretty darn quick once camp started. Does that count for nothing?

                  • Manny's BanWagon says:

                    Here’s the link to Cashman’s interview.

                    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/

                    Obviously he’s saying these things publicly because he’s not pleased with Pineda and is sending him a little message.

                    • Havok9120 says:

                      Thanks for the link, hadn’t seen it at all. I’m still very skeptical about the 20lbs thing. He supposedly weighed 270 there and 280 when he reported in. Dunno who’s numbers are off, but somebody’s are.

                      And I agree its a message. Pretty vague one though when he ends it with:
                      “Is [the training] an issue? I don’t know… We have a really good pitcher as is right now, and he’ll be a great pitcher when that velo comes back.”

                    • Manny's BanWagon says:

                      I shouldn’t have called him “lazy” but it annoys me that a professional athlete shows up to spring training in something less than peak physical condition and possibly as a result is not performing as well as he could be especially when it looks like something similar to what happened with Phil Hughes last year.

                      Hopefully by the end of spring training, he’s throwing 95+ again but if not, the Yankees have other options which include letting him get his shit together in AAA.

                  • Mike Axisa says:

                    We also have to remember just what he is. Pineda’s 6-foot-7 and 23 years old. He could gain ten pounds in a weekend. It’s not even 4% of his body weight even if his ideal weight is 260.

                • Manny's BanWagon says:

                  I’m not trying to vilify the guy, after all he’s a 23 year old kid but with the Yankees starting pitching depth, they can afford to let him get his velocity up and into game shape in AAA while sending him a not so subtle message at the same time that may serve him well in the future.

              • Ted Nelson says:

                He was 20 lbs overweight according to reports. As I said pretty clearly above I am not sounding the alarms, I am pointing out that it’s not a good thing. That it’s perfectly acceptable to joke around about his weight and work ethic or to wonder whether he’ll need some AAA time if he doesn’t get it together. You can assume it’s nothing, and other people can assume it’s a risk. There’s no right answer at this point until we know more. Cutting the weight in half and assuming it’s nothing seems like you have already made up your mind on how it will turn out.

                Hughes gave up 27 baserunners and 10 ERs in 22 IP last spring… Pineda is at 13 baserunners and 3 ERs in 8.1 IP. The results aren’t particularly different so far, with Pineda obviously having several more appearances left.

          • Mike Axisa says:

            I wonder when we’ll start to see all the stories about Ivan Nova being fat and out of shape. He’s the one pitching like shit after all.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              We see a lot less Ben posts on here lately. I think he’s fat and out of shape.

            • Havok9120 says:

              I’m surprised they haven’t already surfaced. I think part of it is Pineda is a far more logical target for people just upset about Montero that want something to fret and/or complain about.

              • Manny's BanWagon says:

                By the way, I think the Montero/Pineda trade was great for the Yankees.

                I haven’t read anything suggesting Nova isn’t in good shape and his velocity has seemed just fine so I think that’s why no one is complaining about Nova

                • Havok9120 says:

                  Oh, I wasn’t speaking of you. I just meant in general. I know you haven’t, which is why you caught me off guard above.

                  Its just that I’ve noticed a lot of the poster most ready to crush Pineda for, well, anything, are those who were especially frustrated/mystified/downright angry over the trade. Its one reason the Game Threads are gonna be so interesting this season.

                  • Ted Nelson says:

                    Seems to me it’s more you being defensive about the trade than anything. The team GM has literally said that the guy is overweight and out of shape… yet you jump on commenters who point that out. Then you wonder why people aren’t calling Nova overweight when there are no reports that he is… If there were reports Nova got sent to “fat camp” I’m sure people would comment about it, just like they did with internal prospects like Hughes and Joba when that happened to them. Hughes is constantly crucified for being lazy. It’s not about Pineda personally, it’s just about reports from the team GM that the guy is out of shape.

                    • Havok9120 says:

                      I’m commenting on those who ignore all signs of progress and focus solely on negatives. His velocity is down, but improving every time out. His weight was up (I poked fun at him for it at the time), but is now supposedly back down. And I question Cash’s comments when they make a much bigger stink about him being out of shape than anyone else has this Spring.

                      And if you want to tell me that the people especially skeptical of the trade AREN’T jumping all over the negatives and minimizing the positives, then…well, then nothing. We disagree on that point.

                      I’m defending the trade because the trade is being attacked based off flimsy data. Why is that an issue?

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      I don’t think that the trade was being attacked here at all… and the guy you accused of attacking it has said as much. Which is why I think you’re being overly defensive. He was jokingly called fat and lazy in the same comments where Montero was also mocked… so you proceeded to question Cashman’s account of what kind of shape he is in. It comes across as really overly defensive. There might be people ignoring the positives… but they’re not on this thread. And in response you are mostly ignoring the negatives to the point of thinking your own knowledge of Pineda’s weight is more accurate than Cashman’s.

              • Ted Nelson says:

                I think all of it is that Cashman has literally said Pineda is 20 lbs heavier and not in shape… and none of it is anything else.

                Plenty of people question whether Nova can repeat 2011, but there are no reports about his weight… so they don’t question it.

                • Havok9120 says:

                  Oh, no doubt. ‘Tis why both Mike, Tilapia, and I were joking.

                  Well, at least I was. I’m well aware that the biggest Silly Internet Question about Nova stems from his elbow injury in the ALDS, not his work ethic. Well, except for Pinade is Greata last night, but I don’t think he counts.

          • DM says:

            “lingering bitterness over the trade”? Likely.

            Also, the context of Pineda being a Mariner has been dropped. We don’t know what off-season conditioning they prescribed or expected of him — if any. It’s not the flab itself; it’s the attitude or reaction to what was asked of him. If Seattle told him to take it easy after his big uptick in innings last year, that might be a valid reason. If they told him to come to camp at this weight but he didn’t bother, that’s a problem. We can’t say he defied or blew off what was asked of him b/c we don’t know. He wasn’t on the Yankee plan this off-season.

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            You can hate people for being negative for the sake of being positive but doing the COMPLETE 180, and being positive for the sake of being positive is ridiculous.

            People trash every comment that says Cashman didn’t do a good job of any trade. Fine if you want to stay 100 percent in that area don’t call people out for doing the same thing but just the different opinion.

            And don’t even pretend you’re not doing the positivity for the sake of positivity thing. It’s obvious since this trade had its controversy early on that you’re being overly defensive sicne you have to bring it up constantly.

            • Havok9120 says:

              Ah, I was wondering where you were my friend. Hadn’t heard from you in awhile. There was even a good Cashman bashing going on at one point a couple nights ago, and you never showed.

              Do note that I basically called BS on Cashman’s responses in that interview. I can go into more depth if it makes you feel better. And while I’m aware that I’m on the positive side of objectivity at the moment, I think its warranted until we see more of Pineda. I DO tend to give guys the benefit of the doubt until they get a chance to prove they can or cannot cut it. And I DO tend to ere on the side of caution before making pronouncements about the character of people I don’t (and probably never will) know.

              I’ve given reasons for why I’m being positive. Even had a good, long paragraph devoted to it. You can disagree with my reasons if your opinion carries you that way, but that doesn’t mean I’m being unreasonably positive. Just means we disagree. Where’s the beef?

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          ….and there’s your tagline for the 2012 season. Much snappier than “Pride, Power, and Pinstripes.”

        • CJ says:

          NY media can be quite influential. It stirs the masses.

  12. CJ says:

    More optimistic that excess pitching could be dealt for a bat better than the struggling ibanez. Garcia or Hughes or. Both, plus the phelps, Warren Mitchell tier.

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