Dec
03

Winter Meetings Day One Open Thread

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Baseball’s annual Winter Meeting officially kick off today in Nashville, and the next three and a half days will be chock full of rumors, rumblings, trades, free agent signings, and all sorts of neat hot stove stuff. Whether the Yankees get involved and make some moves remains to be seen. They’ve already take care of their major pitching issues by re-signing Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte, and Mariano Rivera to one-year contracts.

New York’s needs are rather obvious. They need a right fielder to replace Nick Swisher, a catcher to replace the already departed Russell Martin, as well as most of a bench and miscellaneous depth players. We’ll keep trade of any Yankees-related news right here throughout the day with the latest updates up top. Just check the time stamps (all ET).

  • 6:23pm: The Yankees were not in on Joakim Soria before the agreed to a two-year deal with the Rangers. [Sherman]
  • 4:25pm: The Yankees have some interest in Cody Ross as a right-handed hitting outfielder. He seems like a lock to get multiple years and overpaid. [Jon Morosi]
  • 3:42pm: Brian Cashman confirmed A-Rod‘s injury will not impact the team’s budget. They’re sticking with whatever number this year and will still try to get under the $189M luxury tax threshold next year. They may received some insurance money, however. [Buster Olney]
  • 3:29pm: The Yankees had some trade interest in infielder Chris Nelson of the Rockies earlier this season. The 27-year-old hit .301/.358/.458 this summer, but that’s only a 105 wRC+ when adjusted for Coors Field. Nelson is a second and third baseman. [Troy Renck]
  • 3:21pm: The Yankees are one of several teams trying to sign Scott Hairston, but they don’t want to spend 2014 dollars and he’ll likely require a two-year commitment. [Sherman]
  • 1:55pm: The Yankees were “quietly inquiring” about third base help at the GM Meetings last month. [Sweeny Murti]
  • 12:38pm: Alex Rodriguez‘s new hip injury means the Yankees figure to be even more interested in finding infield help, though they don’t believe Kevin Youkilis, Placido Polanco, and Ty Wigginton can handle the position on an everyday basis. They view Marco Scutaro as a second baseman. [Sherman]
  • 11:00am: The Yankees are interested in Stephen Drew and are “working hard” to sign him. They would presumably use him as their 100-game backup shortstop and third baseman, but there is no indication Drew is okay with playing the hot corner. He has never played a professional game anywhere other than shortstop and figures to get offers to start for other teams at the position. [Jim Bowden & Joel Sherman]

Reminder: Your trade proposal sucks.

  • Nick

    Reports are Napoli is signing with the Sawx:

    WEEI.com’s Rob Bradford reports that the Red Sox are “closing in on an agreement” with Mike Napoli.
    The deal is believed to be for three years. Napoli slugged a total of 54 home runs and tallied a total of 131 RBI over his last two seasons with the Rangers, and should add a nice element of power to the heart of the Red Sox order. He is expected to start at first base for Boston.

    Source: WEEI.com

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      I guess this is the move they HAD to make. No one on that team has real repeatable power (past Papi)… Good move for Boston.

      • jjyank

        This division is going to be really interesting in 2013, that’s for sure.

        • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

          Napoli isn’t enough to make them a threat, IMO, but yeah. 2013 is gonna be interesting.

          • jjyank

            I don’t think this move makes them a threat, but it seems like they’re moving in that direction with signing him. Add in whatever the O’s do and that crazy trade the Jays made….it’ll be interesting if nothing else.

            • Mike HC

              Definitely. It will be an entertaining year because of all the talent in the AL East.

            • Laz

              Moving in the direction, but you do have to consider that Napoli is still a downgrade from Agon who they had last year.

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      The deal is worth $39MM over three years, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports (via Twitter).
      Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#pySzBZaYo4k6sFKe.99

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

    If Arod is going to miss an extended amount of time, could the Yankees be better off moving Jeter to 3B temporarily coming off ankle surgery and let Drew play SS?

    Doubt it would ever happen, though.

    • Captain

      Jeter would have to lose that ankle entirely to move off SS imo.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        Probably right.

        Even then, the Yankees would probably have to let him hop around at SS on one leg.

        • Adam

          On the bright side it would get Fat Jeter closer to the hot dog vendors in the stands /NYPost’d

  • Steve S

    So would the plan be for Drew to be the opening day 3B?

    Crazy idea….Youk on a 1-year deal?

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      you’re right. insane idea.

      he’s getting a multi year deal, and he’s a liability (like, Nunez level) at 3B

    • CP

      So would the plan be for Drew to be the opening day 3B?

      Wouldn’t he start at SS until Jeter is back?

  • BronxBomber98

    I read on MLBTR that the Padres may be inclined to sell high Chase Headly in the wake of the A-Rod surgery. Give them anything they want and say thank you.

    • Gonzo

      What would that cost though? Yikes.

    • Bo Knows

      Headly is not that good that he’s worth gutting the system for. At most he’ s two top tens and a b prospect and even then id be reluctant to make that deal

      • BronxBomber98

        Yes but at least Headly had major league success while any prospect in the system has not. There’s a much better success of Headly being great in New York than any of those prospects being traded.

        • RetroRob

          So strip the entire farm system for one player coming off a career year? Then what?

          • Laz

            Headley has been overrated awhile imo. He is a solid player, but is not a star.

            • RetroRob

              I think he’s gone from being underrated to being overrated, although I have to be careful here since I was saying all last offseason that he’s not as good as people have made him out to be, and then he goes out and has his career year! Still, I don’t want the Yankees to be the buy-high team on him.

  • Pat D

    Col. Jacob Ruppert finally gets his due from the Hall of Fame!

    • RetroRob

      About time. Didn’t realize they announce these prior to January. I guess they do the non-player announcements prior.

      • Pat D

        With the current construction of the Veterans Committee, they’re always announced at the Winter Meetings.

        The BBWAA vote is announced in January.

  • Mike HC

    I remember a ton of people on this blog calling for Stephen Drew to eventually replace Jeter all the way when I first started reading this blog in 2008. RAB commenters were on this move 4 years ago! (Although hopefully he will back up Jeter, not replace him).

    • Gonzo

      I think JJ Hardy was the replacement for Jeter at one point too. I think the guy is Andrus now.

      • Mike HC

        Yes, I remember the Hardy talk too. I think RAB commenters have finally realized you don’t count Jeter out after putting him in the grave every year since 2008.

  • Mike

    YOUUUUUUUUUK !!

    • Mike HC

      I’m in.

      • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

        That’s what he said… (“he” being Dustin Pedroia)

        • Robinson Tilapia

          i understandingthechildishandheteronormativenatureofit etc

  • Preston

    Sign Stephen Drew, Mark Reynolds and throw in Conor Jackson on a MiLB deal for good measure so that we can be the 2008 Arizona Diamondbacks.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    So…with A-Rod missing anywhere from 3-6 months starting in January I have to ask, Jeter will optimistically be ready for opening day right?

    • Preston

      I’ve always been skeptical of that, Eduardo Nunez, Stephen Drew left side of the infield? Guess what the Yankees finally got younger like everybody hoped!

      • Klemy

        hahaha The irony is not lost.

      • RetroRob

        Yeah, really. The losers got their wishes. Swisher is gone, Martin is gone and now A-Rod is gone. They’re younger and substantially worse!

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Maybe they’ll play Ronnie Mustellier at all nine positions in one game next season and still lose. Then what?

          • Preston

            That will never happen. HOW COULD THEY LOSE, HE’S THE GOAT!!!

  • BJ

    Any hope of pulling off a deal with Cleveland to get Choo and Asdrubal? And I know it would be way too much to hope for, but getting Santana would be amazing. I have no idea what kind of package it would require from the Yankees though.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      I don’t know how many years of team control Asdrubal has, but three good offensive players, 2 of which in positions that generally aren’t know for offense? We’d probably have to pay a hefty price..

      • jjyank

        I believe Cabrera has the Yanks on his no-trade list too, so he’d probably demand a nice extension to waive it as well.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          I never understood having the Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Dodgers, Giants, or even Phillies on a no trade list…I mean all these teams are usually at least competitive and so steeped in history. I’d love to play for any of them (except the Red Sox)

          • jjyank

            It’s just for leverage. You put the big market teams on the no-trade list so you can make them pay you to waive it.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Yup.

          • Chris in Maine

            Because that way they can extract more money to move. For example, I’ll go to New york, but you have to pick up my option or pay another million or whatever else thye may want.

          • Mike HC

            It is because those are the likely teams to trade for guys with relatively big contracts. So when your team wants to trade you to one of those teams, you have the upper hand to negotiate a waiver of that no trade clause.

            • Mike HC

              seems I’m a bit late on that one, ha

              • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

                seems like YOU, good sir, do not have a no trade clause…

                *dialing the managing partners at nomaas*

                • Mike HC

                  I’m going into my final year of arbitration, so I’m not sure how much one year of Mike HC would bring you back. And anyway, I want to end my career here, so I’m willing to take a discount to stay.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Can we see your MRI?

                  • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

                    Mike HC = “Change of Scenery” candidate

    • Mike HC

      Cabrera’s contract is 6.5 for next year and 10 mil for 2014. I don’t think Cashman would want to pay that for a backup infielder. And then considering the 189 budget, do we really want to allocate 7 mil (if the aav is still used after trades) to a backup when we will need to fill starting holes? And choo will be in his final year. I don’t think the Yanks should give up much of our farm for those guys.

      • Kosmo

        plus Cabrera´s D is horrible

  • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

    “Reminder: Your trade proposal sucks.”

    this…. 189,000,000 times THIS!

    • Gonzo

      Ain’t this the truth.

    • Brendan

      Mike Trout for Dellin Betances who hangs up first??????

      • Robinson Tilapia

        No one! DONE!

  • paul a

    So with A-rod and derek likely to miss the beginning of the season its time to stop this penny pinching mentallity and open the safe and sign some REAL impact players instead of the eli whiteside and jason nix of the world.

  • Mike HC

    Drew should be open to the idea of being the “100 game back up.” He has had trouble staying healthy in the past, and playing 162 games as the starting shortstop is a grind. 100 games a year could keep him healthier and pro long his career.

  • MontgomeryKmachine

    How about Zack Cozart, apparently the Reds are shopping him?

    • Laz

      Depends what the Reds demand for him. I don’t see them moving Jeter off of SS this year or next, so there is no sense paying for a starting ss then just having him on the bench.

  • Joel Stanley

    Alex is out for a stretch, hey, not a problem. Nix can cover. Jeter can’t move well at short, not a problem, we got Nuny. Never mind he can’t field the ball, at least he gets to it. Cash can still warn the league to “be afraid.” Tex characteristically striking out to start the season, not a problem: Cervy can move from catcher to first base with Romy filling in behind the plate. Only until the all-star break. Gardy, Grandy, Ichi– fastest outfield in the game. At least Ichy can hit. What’s important is that Hal, good Republian that he is, not pay the payroll tax. Lots of little Steinbrenners gotta be sent to college. That costs money. “Be afraid. Be very afraid.”

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    If Jeter’s not ready by opening day, which would you guys rather see:
    3B Chavez, SS Drew
    3B Chavez, SS Nunez
    3B Chavez, SS Nix
    3B Drew, SS Nunez
    3B Drew, SS Nix
    3B Nunez, SS Nix
    3B Nix, SS Nunez

    Sadly as of right now the only two available on the roster are the last two.

    • Kosmo

      actually Keppinger 3B, Drew SS with Chavez platooning with Keppinger.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      This is like a GRE logic question.

    • Gonzo

      No votes for Pena/Nunez? That’s comedy gold. Gold, Jerry, gold!

      • Kosmo

        “he thinks anything that dissolves in milk is funny“

    • GoNavy-BeatArmy

      3B Reynolds / SS Drew

  • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

    Dee Gordon is available. Anyone else have an interest? I would not be opposed to him as a guy to fill the holes.

    • GoNavy-BeatArmy

      For what purpose? He’s a pinch-runner for the playoffs at best — that’s it. He can’t hit and can’t field… What is there to trade for?

      228/280 hitter with 18 errors at SS in less than 80 games…

      PASS

  • paul a

    john heyman reports a rod will miss 4-6 months, maybe its time to seriously think about hamilton.

    • stuart a

      absolutely. get another old injury prone guy after all they do not have enough AARP members.

      NOT……..

    • Laz

      Overpay for 1-2 years.

  • Slappy McWaterbug

    Is it just me, or does Stephen Drew suck?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Depends on what role you place him in. I’m sure he’d be a shitty cleanup hitter.

    • Kosmo

      the 2008-2010 Stephen Drew was a very good SS. He´s dealt with injuries these past 2 years and seemed to rebound somewhat after being traded to Oakland in 2012.

    • JohnC

      its you

      • GoNavy-BeatArmy

        +1

      • FIPster Doofus

        He was great last year with that dazzling .291 wOBA.

    • Gonzo

      “You’re giving me the ‘It’s not you, it’s me’ routine? I invented ‘It’s not you, it’s me.’ Nobody tells me it’s them, not me. If it’s anybody, it’s me.”

  • Gonzo

    Been busy morning. Nobody mentioned that Geovany Soto re-signed with the Rangers even.

    • Mike HC

      Well, there goes everyone’s favorite catcher with offensive upside. I still have a hard time believing the Yanks starting catcher this year will be Stewart or Cervelli though

  • Frank

    I would consider ARod a DH going forward and nothing more. I guess sign reynolds or look at headley or something similar. Wow, the next two years are going to suck.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      The real winners here will be the laundromats of America, who will have to clean blood off an awful lot of sheets from Yankee fan cherries getting popped.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        Assuming most people can remember baseball as far back as when they’re 5 or 6 years old, It’s amazing that if you’re a Yankee fan born in say 88-89 and or later, the worst season you had to endure was a 3rd place 89-73 in 2008 immediately followed by another championship.

        • Klemy

          Remember the 80′s! Remember the 80′s!

          • Cris Pengiucci

            Remember most of the ’60′s & 70′s!

            • Pat D

              Remember the Alamo!

        • Robinson Tilapia

          It’s amazing. It shouldn’t be a crutch, though. I wasn’t around for Led Zeppelin IV, but I know every song on it. There are lots of people much younger than me who have great perspective when it comes to baseball. We’ve even got a few of them on here.

          • Cris Pengiucci

            Not your point, but my 2nd concert ever was Led Zeppelin in support of “Houses of the Holy” on a tour where they began playing songs from Physical Graffiti. Somehow, I still remember that concert. :-)

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Lucky you.

              I at least can say I got to se both Floyd and the Dead very late in the game.

              • Bubba

                I was fortunate to catch Beethoven’s last tour. The dude rocked.

                • I Live In My Mom’s Basement

                  Yeah! Da-Da-Da-DUM! Da-Da-DA-DUMMMM!!

        • jjyank

          That would be me. 1988 babies for the win! I do recognize how historically lucky I’ve been to be treated to so many winning teams, though.

          • Cris Pengiucci

            I have a son older than you (born in ’86). Not sure he remembers the lean years, but we did go to a few games prior to the “Dyansty Years”.

          • Chuck Cary

            Sit on my knee, son. I’m a doctor, you know….

  • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

    Sox still in on Swisher… Obligatory “Doesn’t need to hit in October” comments in 3….2….

    • Gonzo

      I don’t think that’s an issue for the Red Sox. Look at their past few years. ZING!

  • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

    As an aside (alumni related)… Giambi wants to keep playing, how is Houston not ALL OVER HIM as their DH?

    Sure, with the LF wall being like 130 ft away, you might want a RHB for DH, but he just seems like a fit there this season.

    • Gonzo

      They might be waiting for Big Puma.

      • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

        Yeah, that’s the sexy pick, but it strikes me as if Houston doesnt want to pay, and Lance seems to be adamant on being paid like a “starting DH” again.

        Giambi is a great fit, and inexpensive at that.

        • Laz

          Berkman is still a decent hitter. Giambi on the other hand isn’t very good now, although he still takes a ton of walks.

      • Chris in Maine

        I prefer “Fat Elvis”

        • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

          HOuston prefers ‘being a bunch of cheapskates’ though, so something’s got to give.

    • RetroRob

      They also might want to just go with the youngsters. Their top prospect now is Jonathan Singleton, who they can slot at 1B, while giving Brett Wallace a lot of the DH time. Wallace was once a top prospect and is now 25, so his star has faded, but they might be better served seeing what he can deliver compared to Giambi.

      Then again, Giambi has been mostly a pinch hitter, so they could sign him for a similar role and some DHing if Wallace falls flat on his face and Singleton isn’t quite ready.

  • nsalem

    Since there is at least a possibility that we will not sign Cano next year especially if he gets 7 or 8 year offers elsewhere I wonder if the Yankees may reconsider re-signing Swisher (if he wants to come back). If he signs for 4 or 5 years and they do indeed keep Cano they can trade him (Swisher) after next year or decide to part ways with Granderson. We may have been able to take the power loss at two positions, but losing 3 of last years starters and replacing them with inferior players. I think signing a Keppinger, Scutaro, Drew or even a Reynolds would be easier said then done. Why would they want to be part time players and perform in the shadow of A-Rod and Jeter when there is full time employment in other places. Though I really don’t think they will abandon their austerity plans, hopefully they may decide to deal with the issue after 2013. Many things can happen between now and then, among other maybe one of our 3 OF prospects and a pitching prospect will emerge and be ready for 2014 and that would give them some salary relief they so sorely need.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I just can’t see re-signing Swisher, him doing well, THEN trading him with multiple years left just to free up money to re-sign Robbie. It’s just overcomplicating things for an extra year of Swisher. In that case, tear the band-aid off as quickly as you can and go without him this season.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        However, they may decide they prefer Swisher to Granderson long term and feel they have the money to retain Cano and one of the 2 of Swish and Grandy. If that’s the case, Swish could be resigned.

      • nsalem

        I know its sounds complicated but, losing three of our bigger bats is going to be difficult to overcome plus there is a possibility of losing Cano next year. He’s great but if someone offers him 8 years at the 200 million he wants the Yankees might let him walk. We will have a lot of replacing to do and the names that are being thrown around (I don’t think) will get the job done.
        A bridge year may be hard to accept but within a year(probably) Mo, Kuroda, Pettitte and maybe Cano and Granderson will be gone. Within two Jeter will be gone and we may wish that A-Rod is gone also. We can be looking at a RedSox situation in the next year or two and that would be sad. I don’t want to see a bridge generation.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Think about how long the identity of this team has been built around a certain group of guys. Time has passed and while, sure, there are definitely places where the franchise could have done a better job of preparing for things, moving completely past the “Core Four” and those stars that joined them in the 00′s, was going to be difficult no matter.

          What’s going on with the Red Sox is sad (and, by “sad,” I mean that I’m laughing my ass off at them.) They’re going to get better, though. We all want the Yankees to have a softer landing than that and, hopefully, they will.

  • Anal Hershiser

    I think the Jeter to 3rd talk deserves more thought. He would benefit from moving over – possibly adding a couple more years to his career. I realize that usually you’d want more pop from that position – but the Yanks in recent years have power in nontraditional positions (CF, 2B)

    • Mike HC

      haha … nice handle

    • Knoxvillain

      He’s not moving. No point in talking about it.

      • Monty

        He’s starting to look like Pablo Sandoval with that gut.. maybe he should start thinking about it.

  • Simon

    Will there be any deals today or just groundwork done?

    • RetroRob

      Unlikely. Groundwork more likely. In Cashman’s case, any big deals he makes will most likely come post the meeting from groundwork this week.

  • Buffalo Bill

    Jack Hannahan just non-tendered by the Indians. Methinks the Yankees just found themselves a cheap stop-gap for third base…

    • Kosmo

      he can´t hit LHP and I´d much rather have Chavez platoon with ?

    • stuart a

      good fielder cannot hit at all..

  • RetroRob

    I metioned this in the A-Rod thread, but his injury will impact the 2014 payroll and attempt to get under $189M. The $6M marketing bonus they Yankees expected to pay in 2013 when he hits 660 will probably now be paid in 2014. That means the Yankees will need to cut another $6M from the 2014 team.

    • Gonzo

      Holy crap that’s bad. Didn’t even think of that. Good catch.

      I know someone wrote (I think Darren Rovell, so take it with a grain of salt) that they might be able to get out of paying those bonuses because of his PED admission. Doesn’t seem like the Yankees MO though.

      • mt

        I have thought of that but not sure how Yanks do that and still pay the rest of the contact – would think they would have had to try to get out of the whole contrcat back in 2009 (before the WE we won) when admissions first came out.

        • mt

          Typo-

          before the World Series we won

          • Gonzo

            The argument was that the contract is valid, but the milestones are no longer historic milestones. Don’t know how much I buy that though.

      • RetroRob

        I wonder if there’s some way the Yankees can pay him that $6M bonus in 2013, regardless if he hits it in 2014?

    • forensic

      You don’t think they were expecting him to reach the 714 milestone that season instead? ;-)

    • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

      That contract will continue to find new ways to fuck the Yanks sans-lube for the duration of its existence.

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      Shouldn’t matter–if they get under it for ’13, then they’re reset to 0% luxury tax and go back to the bottom of the scale, no?

      • Gonzo

        I’m pretty sure the Luxury Tax Threshold is $178mm in 2013.

        That would be very tough considering they might be over that right now with arb raises. Not sure though.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          I think with projected arb raises, the current roster would end up at around $195-$200M in luxury tax payroll, excluding potential earned bonuses.

          So realistically, they’d probably have to trade Cano and Granderson to get under 2013′s $178M threshold.

          • OldYanksFan

            Between Hiroki, Andy, Mo and Grandy, there is more then $50m coming off the books in 2013.

  • NYCSPORTZFAN

    I’d be interested in bringing in Alex Gonzalez on a incentive laden contract.. Hes also not played 3rd in his career, but he been a solid defender at Short his entire career, and is getting up there in age a bit, so could like getting some games at 3rd.. Also, hes a right hander with some pop..

    Cheap additon as well.. Not to mention, has World Champ pedigree and is a wiley veteran..

  • Crazy8sportsfan

    Seem all the Yankees are worried about are replacement players and bench players. I don’t know what this team has become but it seem it’s seems the are a few guys away from a split team lineup. What ever happened to going out and getting every day players? Seems those days are long gone for the Yankees and their fans. Now we get to watch replacements.

    • jjyank

      Well the market in general is pretty thin, and the Yankees are trying to trim payroll. It is what it is.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Please look at the team roster in 1998 and get back to us.

  • AC

    We’ve gotta sign Mark Reynolds. Really thin free agent market this year. Reynolds isn’t really a good defender at 3rd, but I’d like to see what he can do in our park…dear god. Can’t say his approach to hitting is THAT much worse than Granderson or Tex at this point, really…haha.

    • mt

      Saw Duquette on TV (Baltimore GM) and he said they let Reynolds go because they thought not only was his $11 million option too high but they expected him to get $12-$14 million in arbitration.

      That’s a lot of money.

      If Yanks can overpay for one year, maybe they have a shot. Not ideal because Mark R is bad at 3B and strikes out a lot but if Swisher is gone and replaced by a more contact-first platoon and Martin replaced by a defense first catcher and Arod out for significant time, we are really lacking righty power.

      • Chuck Cary

        The flipside is that he also walks a lot, which makes him a bit less of an all-or-nothing guy.

        I don’t think he’s the ideal fill-in because of his defense and, in an age of twelve-man pitching staffs, you can’t have a guy like this AND a back-up corner infielder on your roster.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Cutesy screen name fail.

          • jjyank

            Ha! You have been found out!

            …not that it was any great mystery. You’r the only person I’ve heard use that name.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              STALKER.

              • jjyank

                Whatever, you don’t have your own opinions anyway.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  I don’t know how I even got here.

              • Cris Pengiucci

                Please ignore the plain black Ford in front of your home and office, with the guy inside holding a camera with a 500mm zoom lense on it.

        • RetroRob

          Eric Chavez in 2011 had a higher fWAR than Mark Reynolds, who hit 37 HRs that year and walked 75 times. Now I’m not talking about last year Chavez having a higher fWAR (which he did by a good margin), but I’m talking about 2011 when Chavez only batted 175 times and had a mediocre .263/.320/.356 line. Reynolds WAR was 0.6 in 2011. (It was 0.5 in 2012.)

          I still have a love-hate relationship with WAR and believe it at times has issues, yet it provides a decent snapshot of a player. Reynolds fielding is so bad that it pretty much negates what he does with the bat. So I’m okay if he’s a DH who can fill in at third in an emergency, but he’s not a play for defense. I’d rather see Chavez platooned with Adams, especially since when A-Rod returns, he may basically be a 80% DH the rest of his career.

        • RetroRob

          I’m sad to realize Chuck and Robinson are one in the same. I had hope that Chuck Cary was a new poster who can bring some additional intelligence. The army of good is now down one recruit!

          • Robinson Tilapia

            It doesn’t sound as smart when you see my screen name over it all, does it?

            There’s always that spry new commenter, “Jeff Johnson.”

            Jeff Johnson was in the rotation for two years in the early 90′s. I can’t recall a single pitch he threw.

    • stuart a

      absolutely play reynolds at 3b and nunez at SS and avg 3 + errors a game from the left side of the infield. shrewd move, you are the GM of whom???

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Agreed. I’m glad we keep you around.

  • FLYER7

    Dont worry about Stewart or Cervelli being the starting catcher…it’s going to be Romine

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I feel so much bett….ah, fuck.

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

    Johnny Peralta supposedly is available though I suspect he’d cost too much since he can hit and at least fake SS enough to play there regularly.

  • Rich in NJ

    I hope they take the long view, even if it means taking a step (or two) back over the next couple of years.

  • mt

    I may be dreaming but hopefully Yanks could honestly address the issue which has been bothering me – Cashman has said he should be fired if he cannot field a WS competitive team on $189 million – I agree in theory but they ignore 1) their aging players who are regressing from age or performance and still getting paid big bucks and 2) more in prime or slightly past prime palyers who are free agents who will have to be paid much higher in 2014 and 2015 (Cano, Swisher, Grandy, Martin) and 3 their young major league pitching base decimated by injuries (Banuelos, and Pineda) who are not as definitively contributing in 2014 at cheap prices.

    Their only All Star caliber or “elite” players who are in prime who they may be able to pay relatively cheaply in 2014 is maybe David Robertson (and he is a free agent in 2015) – I can’t count Pineda because who knows what he will be. Hard to make $189 million goal in 2014 paying elite players elite prices (if they keep Cano) and also paying not so elite players elite prices (Tex, Arod)

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “Cashman has said he should be fired if he cannot field a WS competitive team on $189 million”

      Him saying it and them taking him up on it are two different things. I very often self-evaluate as doing a shitty job but still have the support of those above me who disagree with my own negative self-assessment.

    • Rich in NJ

      The irony is that Cashman’s best decision (passing on A-Rod once he opted out of his contract, thereby negating Texas’ subsidy) was overridden by ownership. So while he has made several suboptimal decisions that have contributed to this situation, the team would certainly be in a a far better position (the 2009 WS notwithstanding) if the suits had agreed with him on A-Rod’s contract.

      • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

        funny because its true.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      As Mike has said several times, the $189 isn’t the biggest issue, it’s the fact that they’re not starting with a clean slate. They have so much tied up in aging veterans already that it’s gonna be tough to accomplish getting under $189 and fielding a team they’re accustom to having all on the fly.

      • hogsmog

        What I don’t understand is, how come they can’t just decide to not take on any shitty zillion-year contracts in the near future, and get under 189 when Tex, Jeter, Arod, Burnett etc roll off the books? Why do they need to do this austerity now instead of in five years, when it will be so much easier? If they keep trying to sign crappy players on one year deals, instead of possibly looking for solid signings of legitimate players, then they’re going to have to pay up later anyway.

    • http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/html/home/home.shtml The Big City of Dreams

      Cashman has said he should be fired if he cannot field a WS competitive team on $189 million

      ———————-

      When did he say that?

    • Laz

      They should be able to do it if they focus on the farm. They can’t be trading their prospects for a couple years of a player if they want to be competitive.

      They have almost $70M a year tied up in Teix, Arod, and CC through 2016. So that leaves them $110M (after all the benefits things that they have to pay) to fill out 4 rotation spots, find 7 relievers, fill 7 spots in the lineup. Is possible, but if some of sanchez/nunez/Williams/Austin/heathcott can come up and have meaningful impact on the lineup then those are players that they got for $500,000 each for the first 3 years of control.

  • Giancarlo Stanton 2017

    Would Headley or Jedd Gyorko be easier to get? And what would Gyorko take?

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      better question, what would it take for John & Suzyn to pronounce “Gyorko” correctly? a month? 2??

  • Frank

    Cano to third…can justify a longer term salary for him
    Arod to DH
    Jeter…SS for now, and only b/c they don’t have the balls to move him
    Sign a 2B

    NEVER happen, but does it make sense?

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      No because Cano has much more value as a middle infielder than a 3rd baseman. As he ages, he has the arm to play 3rd base unlike most 2nd basemen so you could justify giving him a longer deal but I wouldn’t move him to 3rd now.

      • Laz

        True, but you have to go with what they have. Nunez could probably handle 2nd with the short throws, or they have cojo/adams. Moving him to 3B might be good move if they resign him, because it would mean he is more likely having him stay healthy. Middle infielders tend to have trouble staying healthy into their mid 30′s.

        • Laz

          If it gets to the point, 140 games of cano at 3B is better than 100 of him at 2B.

        • Rich in NJ

          Assuming for the sake of argument that they wanted to move Cano to 3B, the time to do it isn’t in the period leading up to negotiations on a new humongous money contract.

          • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

            lets face it though.

            #1 he’s gonna get PAIDDDD either way.

            and #2, if the stars are going to lead him to 3B, it doesn’t much matter when they move him there.

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

      all except I would prob try Nunez at 2B before signing another guy to try and be a better version of… well, of Nunez.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    Blue Jays claimed Eli Whiteside.
    Between that and ARod’s injury, the Yankees should just throw in the towel and start rebuilding.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Lots of nondescript Asians in Toronto.

      • Reggie C.

        Kyle Hijiaoka got claimed too?

    • RetroRob

      WTF. They were probably looking to move a catcher even before this claim.

      • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!)

        This was an F YOU move by Toronto, since no one had any idea as to who Eli Whiteside was a week ago. Jokes on you, AA.. Cashman only claimed him as leverage against Russell Martin looking to re-sign, Cashman didn’t know who he was either!

        Enjoy the Whiteside era in Toronto, dick!

  • Rigoleto

    Go get Drew and Nakajima.

    • Rigoleto

      Also, I hope Mike Napoli sends Tim Dierkes flowers after signing his new deal.

  • ClayDavis

    This $189 million rhetoric has to end. There is no clean slate. If the Steinbrenner’s want to hoard their cash, fans are going to stop going to games, buy merch. See the CBS days…

  • Thunder Road Runner

    Dump him now, and hang a copy of his contract as a warning to all

  • The DonSlaught

    NO on Ross. Hell no, actually.

    Soria about to be Tejas-bound.

  • MB923

    Rangers are about to get Soria

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ria-1.html

    • Luisergi

      Yep 2 yr deal, it sucks.

      • MB923

        As much as I would have liked him to set-up Mo, I don’t consider it That bad. Does it suck? Yeah a bit. But the Yankees bullpen is still fine and one of the best. 9 closers next year are free agents.

  • Bronx Bomber23

    We should be able to get Mark Reynolds on the cheap. Provides RH power, can play 1b/3b/DH, and when A-Rod comes back he provides power and versatility off the bench.