2014 Winter Meetings Open Thread: Wednesday

Scouting The Free Agent Market: Jason Grilli and Rafael Soriano
Wednesday Night Open Thread

2014 Winter Meetings-002Aside from losing David Robertson to the White Sox, the first two days of the Winter Meetings have been rather quiet for the Yankees. Brian Cashman confirmed he did have talks with the Athletics about Jeff Samardzija before the right-hander was traded to the White Sox, but the two sides were unable to find a match. With Jon Lester finally off the board — he signed with the Cubs late last night, in case you missed it — the pitching market should soon take off.

All we learned on Monday and Tuesday was that the Yankees are willing to go four years for Chase Headley as long as the annual salary comes down. That’s really about it. They’re not in on Max Scherzer, they don’t know if Hiroki Kuroda is retiring, and they’ve spoken to a handful of clubs (Braves, Marlins, Royals) about bullpen help. Exciting times. We’ll again keep track of all the day’s Yankees-related rumors right here, so make sure you check back often. All timestamps are ET.

  • 2:37pm: Stephen Drew is much more popular this offseason than last despite his awful 2014 season, likely because he isn’t attached to draft pick compensation and will come pretty cheap. The Yankees are one of many teams with some level of interest, presumably so he could play second base. [Jon Heyman]
  • 2:33pm: Any talks between the Yankees and Sergio Romo have been limited so far. There’s interest but nothing is imminent. [Marly Rivera]
  • 2:25pm: Given the way the team’s budget is constructed at the moment, the Yankees would have to bottom feed for rotation help if they sign Chase Headley to a four-year contract. They may spend on pitching and go with Martin Prado at third and kids at second base instead. Of course, this could all be posturing. [Joel Sherman]
  • 12:56pm: The Yankees are more than just “monitoring” Sergio Romo — they have legitimate interest in signing him. Romo was off the charts good from 2010-13 but took a step back in 2014. He’s still a capable late-inning reliever. (Jerry Crasnick)
  • 11:10am: Two unidentified owners flew to the Winter Meetings in San Diego to meet with Scott Boras about Max Scherzer. I’m not saying Yankees ownership is one of them, but they do have a history of dealing with Boras directly, namely with Rafael Soriano a few years ago. [Jon Heyman]
  • 10:28am: Brandon McCarthy is seeking a four-year deal at $48M while teams are stopping at three years and $36M. The Yankees are also “monitoring” relievers like Jason Grilli, Rafael Soriano, and Sergio Romo. [George King]
  • 9:44am: Well, forget about Luke Gregerson. He just agreed to a three-year, $18.5M deal with the Astros. That’s the second biggest contract ever given to a non-closer reliever, just ahead of Jeremy Affeldt’s three-year, $18M deal with the Giants and way behind the contract the Yankees just gave Andrew Miller. [Bob Nightengale]
  • 9:30am: The Yankees are among the teams with interest in Luke Gregerson. He’s no David Robertson, but Gregerson is a damn fine high-leverage reliever who would be a big boost to New York’s bullpen. (Shi Davidi)
  • The Yankees continue to have interest in retaining Brandon McCarthy. Francisco Liriano’s three-year, $39M contract with the Pirates could be a reference point in talks. (Jack Curry)
Scouting The Free Agent Market: Jason Grilli and Rafael Soriano
Wednesday Night Open Thread
  • Raza

    Gregerson signed with the Astros.

  • goMO

    sign headley and mccarthy TODAY!

  • Posada_20

    NOw that Lester has signed, other dominoes should start to fall.

  • Raza

    Still hoping the Yanks can nab Headley at around 4/52 and McCarthy at 3/36 type deals. With Gregerson and Neshek signing with the Stros I hope they can nab a veteran arm that has closing exp like Grilli or Romo also.

    • TopChuckie

      Liriano’s 3/39 makes 3/36 unlikely for McCarthy. I think it’s gonna take 3/42.

  • Drew

    Rubbing hands together in anticipation of the stove becoming very, very hot.

  • NYCHawk

    Part of me wondered if the Yankees would sign Lester (and possibly Max) only to get some people in the stands. As that roster stands the stadium is going to be real empty next season.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      The New York Yankees are not going to have problems drawing fans. Write that down and staple it to your forehead.

      • Dude

        Check 2013 a la last years spending

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Shut up, BGT.

          • Dude

            Snappy comeback guess im right.

      • Austinmac

        Why not? They used to have a great deal of trouble prior to years of winning.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          The nadir, post-renovations, was averaging about 21K in 1992, which was also the nadir in losing. There is nothing about the current Yankees which resembles the type of losing that occurred in the late 80’s and early 90’s. The team is easily averaging above 40K every season since YS3 opened. The buyer base, I’m guessing, is also a very different one than it was 25 years ago.

          Do you honestly think there’s a good chance this franchise averages below, say 37K paid attendance in the near future?

          • Austinmac

            Not next year, but I don’t doubt the fans will stay away if they don’t expect a good product. Most fans are front runners. In the first five years of the 1990s they were well below 25,000 per game for four of five years. That’s the cost of no expectations or success.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              I do not believe most Yankee fans are front runners in the least.

              Also, as a Miami Heat fan, I can tell you losing the bandwagoners is the silver lining of declining fortunes.

              • Basil

                I do not believe most Yankee fans are front runners in the least.

                It doesn’t have to be “most” for extended losing to pose an attendance problem. A difference between now and what you call the “nadir” of losing, in the post-1965 period is that even with inflation adjustments, Yankee Stadium is kind of expensive–and that in itself may be a dis-incentive to attendance if the team seems to be in losing/rebuilding mode. The “many” that may be a better term than your “most” is likely to be most commonly found among people who shake off YS2’s costs. That might bite over a year or two.

                In any case, if I were the owner, I would probably consider it prudent not to test which of you two posters is correct.

            • Havok9120

              That took the better part of a decade to develop. Isn’t that a consideration?

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                They’re all just not showing up tomorrow. That’s it. 85 wins doesn’t cut it for a bunch of bankers in the Mohegan Sun Suite and buffet area.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              I disagree that most fans are frontrunners.

              Also, as a Miami Heat fan, I realize the silver lining that is losing a few frontrunners as fans.

    • YakaTanaka

      Spending $75 million (salary + tax) just to increase attendence (and I would just lump all forms of revenue in there) would have to increase revenues more than $75 million to start to make sense. I have no idea if it would do that or not.

      • edb

        If it gets you a few rounds in the playoffs it would. Big if though.

        • YakaTanaka

          It increases your probability, but doesn’t really get you the rounds.

        • YakaTanaka

          Certainly something that has to be considered, though.

          I just operate under the assumption that the Yanks understand their finances better than us fans.could be wrong, but I think it’s a fairly safe assumption.

    • The Great Gonzo

      This is a false sentiment. The stadium will not be more full or more empty because of this one or any acquisition. If they win, people will show up, and neither of those guys guarantee wins.

      Don’t believe the hype.

  • Chip

    Well I was wrong about Lester – oh well. If reports are true and Scherzer is now asking for $200 over 7 years I’m walking on that. I would rather sign McCarthy and Headley and let Phelps/Warren/Banuelos and Mitchell fight it out for the last spot in the rotation (hopefully with Banuelos or Mitchell claiming it as both of them have higher upsides than Phelps and Warren) with an eye on Nova coming back by July and possibly Long and/or Severino also being ready to join the big league rotation mid season.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Scherzer was going to ask for that, independent of Lester, no matter what. Whether he gets that from anyone, I don’t know.

    • Bret The Hitman

      It was a nice thought, Chip.

    • Jeremy

      Severino has 25IP in AA. He’s not coming up in 2015. Jim Callis has ETA of 2017

      • Chip

        Severino only pitched 20 innings in Tampa before he went up to AA. If they like what they see the Yankees could be aggressive there.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          MLB would still be pretty aggressive, under any scenario. My guess is that he’d at least see AAA, if early returns were good.

          • Chip

            Two thoughts:

            1. If he’s in Scranton by July 1 and there’s a need I think it’s reasonable that he could be in the majors (at least for a spot start) by August 1.

            2. On the other hand, teams have been more and more having their top prospects skip AAA entirely – instead using it as a warehouse for MiLB veterans or guys on MiLB contracts.

            Again, it would be a stretch but one that I think could happen. Of course, for there to be a need you would be looking at multiple injuries to the big league rotation and the failure of a bunch of other players currently ahead of him on the depth chart.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              It’s not impossible. Like you said, it’s a stretch.

            • Jeremy

              Fair enough, but by August 1st, he’ll likely already have exceeded his 113IP from 2014. Could be a spot start, but he’s not gonna pitch every 5th day from August-September (October?). Gotta think his innings cap is around 130-150.

          • Travis Lincoln

            Not that I think it would happen, but Quintana did make the jump from High A to MLB, didnt he? So, its not without merit that Severino COULD do it, but its a very VERY long shot.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Yeah, but Quintana is the most outlying of outliers in a variety of ways.

              Didn’t he spend a brief time in AA with Chicago?

              Also, didn’t Jose Fernandez make quite the leap as well?

              • Chip

                Yeah, Fernandez pitched in Sally and High A in 2012 and was in the majors in 2013

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  Fernandez is God, albeit with TJ surgery, though.

                • The Great Gonzo

                  No comparisons should ever start or end at “Jose Fernandez”. He is the most exceptionest exception tat ever exceptioned.

                  • Chip

                    Oh, no chance am I making a comparison. Just answering a question.

              • Travis Lincoln

                Not sure on either one. Yankees arent the team to allow a pitcher to make that jump, so its just a neat conversation either way. It would be pretty freakin’ cool to see though!

            • RetroRob

              Yes, but he’d have to be sent to the White Sox first.

      • YakaTanaka

        Whether he should and whether he does are two different questions.

    • The Great Gonzo

      At 7/200M, you can sign McCarthy, Masterson, Kuroda, and 3 other guys to fight for those last two rotation spots and not have spent 1/2 of it.

      NO thanks to Scherzer.

      • Chip

        Agreed.

        Though instead of Kuroda I might go Kenta Madea.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    I knew very little about Gregerson, but he seemed like a potential target. Oh well. The Astros had to eventually sign someone.

  • edb

    Damn it Cashman…entertain me!

  • Bret The Hitman

    I wonder who Cashman dangled in the Samardzija talks.

    • Posada_20

      White Sox GM said problem was his team needed a SS in return and Yanks didn’t have one to trade. Closest to majors was Ali Castillo as he wasn’t gonna get it done.

      • Bret The Hitman

        OK, but I wonder who Cashman tried to dangle.

        • The Great Gonzo

          Eduardo Nunez!

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          ….or what he dangled, because penis.

          • Scott

            LMAO

  • LiamInAlbany

    Gregerson would have been a nice pickup. Astros are definitely hungry after missing out on Miller and Robertson.

    Definitely in favor of a Romo/Grilli closer signing as Mike suggested, while using Betances and Miller in higher leverage situations. Hell, even Kelley could handle it. Retaining Headley also needs to be emphasized imo

  • Literally Figurative

    I would rather they stay away from the multi year commitments,to headley and McCarthy.

    Sign kuroda and sign Stephen Drew to play 2b, move Prado to third. Let ref start in aaa. Let the kids fight it out for the 5th spot.

    Not sexy, but avoids potentially bad Contracts

    • http://yankeecanada.com/ Bob(bobby) M.

      sign Drew to nothing please. He was terrible at the plate in 2013 and I wouldn’t see that changing much in 2015

      • Nicholas D’Esposito

        Yeah, I’m with you. Im pretty sure Headley at ~11 mil a year for 3-4 years is way better than Drew for even one year and 7 million.

    • LiamInAlbany

      This is assuming Kuroda wants to even still play

    • Dude

      Not watchable

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      In other words, give Bryan Mitchell the fifth starters’ spot?

      Multi-year contracts are not the enemy.

      • The Great Gonzo

        Bingo. Brinks Trucks full of money for non-Giancarlo/Trout/Bumgarner level players are the true enemy here, not going multiple years for better-than-shitty players.

        Stephen Drew is a shitty player, Headley is not.

    • YakaTanaka

      You’re avoiding potentially good contracts at the same time as potentially bad contracts… I’m not willing to pay any price for those guys, but Headley especially could end up being a bargain.

      • blake

        at the money they are talking about it think he is….I think Cashman is just trying to save every dollar he can on him but ultimately will pull the trigger because even at 4/65 I don’t think that’s a terrible contract.

        • YakaTanaka

          Depending on the condition of his back, I think it’s a relative bargain.

  • Bret The Hitman

    • The Great Gonzo

      hooray!

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Unfortunately, his next tweet was “why do they keep moving the restroom at this hotel?”

  • Alfredo Negrin

    Today is the day Headley becomes a Yankee…. How do you guys feel about Mike leake, Brett Gardner for Mike Leake and a B prospect? The Reds get a cost controlled left fielder and we get rotation help for this year. It also it empties left field for Upton next year.

    • Dude

      Brett Gardner and a legit prospect for Cueto Mike Leake sucks.

      • Posada_20

        will take a lot more than that to get Cueto.

        • Dude

          Free agent after next year 33 and Cincy needs salary relief. Yankees can eat Gardners and Cuetos contracts.

          • Posada_20

            still the ace of their staff. Not getting him for that package no matter what spin you put on it.

          • edb

            Eat 50 mil for one year of cueto?

            • Dude

              Why not then sign him in the offseason or during the season.

              • edb

                Why not keep Brett and just sign max for that money?

                • Dude

                  Ok fine

                • Havok9120

                  ….but what will we do with Gardner??

                  • edb

                    Girardi likes 2 lefties in the pen.

                    • Havok9120

                      ietc

      • The Great Gonzo

        Reports out of Cincy is that everyone inquiring about Cueto has been redirected to Latos/Leake.

        As far as Leake goes, The Great Gonzo was in attendance for his last (and only?) appearance at Yankee Stadium this past July, along with other esteemed RAB ‘old guard’. Was not impressed. The Great Gonzo would rather just spend the money on McCarthy.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Somehow, I’m most interested in Mister 9/1/9 out of the pen.

          • The Great Gonzo

            That could be a lot of fun.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Yippee. Another day of Gardner trade proposals.

      • blake

        Gardner for dude.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          You’d be getting Captain Obvious, Andy, Andrew DeClerk, BGT, and God knows who else in return as well.

          • The Great Gonzo

            BGT has a full NTC. #AxisaFailed

    • TopChuckie

      If they are going to deal Gardner to the Reds they should probably expand the package to include Bruce.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    FWIW, after reading the Daily Digest, I disagre with the assessment that the most common initial fan reaction to Robertson’s leaving (we dismiss with nicknames once they leave….that is, until I just get tired of typing their full name and revert back) was anger at the team. I wonder if sadness at his leaving was a more common initial reaction. I know it was mine. Not sure I can say anger has truly even entered the equation.

    • Bobbi

      Sadness, and for me, disbelief.

    • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

      For me, it was more a matter of the two players involved in this “swap”. Swapping DRob for Andrew Miller was like Andy in Toy Story giving up Woody for Buzz Lightyear. The shiny toy you might not have might seem nicer, but what you had was also pretty damn awesome. Alas.

      • The Great Gonzo

        Wow… You just hit The Great Gonzo right in the feels. In this analogy, does this make CC Sabathia Mr Potato Head, since parts fall off him all the time?

        • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

          yes!

          Gotta say – the day I encounter someone who doesn’t know about Toy Story or Sonic the Hedgehog will be the day that I’ll start writing my tombstone. I hope that day never comes.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          Also he’s shaped like a potato.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I know this because Christmas.

            • Canarsie Yankee

              Right-handed Sabathia!

      • blake

        Buzz turned out alright though….I’ve already seen the Christmas Toy Story short about 50 times now.

        • edb

          But there were a million toys out there just like him. Woody was a limited edition collectible. Can’t believe I’m in this convo…or that it amuses me so much.

          • blake

            lol…..at one time though Woody was just like Buzz….every kid had one. It’s time for Woody’s roundup……

            • edb

              It’s scary how much that mirrors the proven closer argument.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Ultra Magnus looked like a vastly superior toy to Optimus Prime, but never really caught on.

        • edb

          Ultra magnus was superior in every way. Too many freaking pieces though.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I was a very spoiled child. My dad would buy me every big toy the day it was out. The At-At was a glorious day in my life.

            • edb

              I feel ya. I lost it when I got omega supreme one Christmas many moons ago.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                I may be confusing Omega Supreme and Ultra Magnus at the moment.

                • edb

                  Ultra magnus was Optimus prime with a car carrier instead of a trailer. Omega supreme was a space ship/train. It was also battery operated.

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner

                    Yup. Totally confused the two.

        • blake

          who dares summon Transitron.

    • blake

      My reaction was….it sucks but I understand it from both sides. I understand Drob needing to get paid the most he can….and I understand from a business POV that Miller and 10 million and a draft pick might make more sense for the team. Doesn’t mean I won’t miss Dave in pinstripes…..

    • Canarsie Yankee

      I’ve been prepared for this ever since Robertson spurned my superior offer in MLB The Show to go to the Red Sox.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Canarsie failed.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          Indeed I did. Though I signed both Sandoval and Hanley Ramirez in Out of the Park 15. That was a fun train ride to Chicago.

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

    The fact that the Cubs gave Lester $26M AAV is insane, to me. It also likely puts Scherzer at that same price point, if not a tad bit above, so I’m really doubting the Yankees make a real push for him either. Which is fine; other options are out there. I just hope that the Yankees aren’t holding one of their five spots for Sabathia coming out of camp because…that could be a mistake.

    • blake

      they have no money on their books…..it’s an overpay but they have been chasing a top pticher for a couple years now and Theo wanted to make sure he got one this time.

      I kinda disagree with the general thought that it means Scherzer is getting 200 million…..I’m not convinced of that. Scherzer has more warts and a shorter track record than any pitcher that’s gotten money like that…..he may prove me wrong but I just don’t see teams going much if any beyond what Lester got for him……the delievery is a concern…..he costs the draft pick for most teams….and there may not be as many teams involved as there were with Lester.

      Obviously if the right teams jump in and start bidding then it could happen…..but I actually think it’s possible that Boras overplays his hand with Max and he winds up with similar or even less than Lester got. We will see….

      • YakaTanaka

        I don’t think most people are saying he will get $200 million. The reports are that he is seeking that. I think that’s what most people are referring to. Maybe he gets it, maybe he doesn’t.

        I don’t know if this is definitely a case of it, but reading comprehension failure at LoHud was kind of insane. Like a game of telephone. A rumor comes out that some journalist thinks that the Yankees should consider Lester, and within two hours you guys have distorted it into something crazy like “the Yankees are about to sign Lester.”

        The off-season with the LoHud crowd is really not fun. A bunch of speculative misinformation based often on misunderstanding or ascribing 100% accuracy to rumors.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          You forgot trading Brett Gardner.

        • blake

          Not sure what my comment had to do with Lohud but ok…..pretty much every major media person is speculating that Scherzer is going to become the 2nd highest paid pitcher ever after Kershaw…..I was just addressing that notion…..I'[m not sure I buy that.

          Btw….I read here before and there was still a lot of the same stuff….there just wasn’t as much of it because the comments have basically doubled or more.

    • YakaTanaka

      “Holding” is probably the wrong way to think about it. They’re going to bring more than 5 SPs to camp and see who is healthy and has the best chance to pitch well (like basically every team does).

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      The problem is that with Tanaka as the Ace and being fragile, who would replace him if he went down in April?
      Scherzer is against their philosophy but is the only Ace out there.
      Guys like McCarthy and Kuroda , mid rotation guys, are what the staff is built on and hope for Nova and Pineda to stay healthy.

      • Havok9120

        Fact is, if Tanaka goes down in April and needs TJS then we’re kinda screwed. And that was always going to be the case.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Not if we have Scherzer.

          • The Great Gonzo

            But who would replace Scherzer as the heir to the fragile Ace?

            ANY TEAM that loses their #1 starter in April has an uphill battle. that doesn’t mean every team should spend $200M on another best guy ever. Especially a team that need multiple starters and some infield help.

            • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

              Teams with a 1A need not panic.
              Scherzer won’t happen but a solid ro is essential.
              McCarthy’s value has rocketed and don’t forget Kuroda playing the role of Andy.
              Nova is a key piece.

          • Havok9120

            Even if we have Scherzer. That’s one pitcher and getting him would almost certainly preclude signing McCarthy/Kuroda. That means that if Tanaka goes down in April the rotation is Scherzer, Pineda, CC, Phelps, and Mitchell.

            There is no reliable scenario in which Tanaka goes down early and the Yankees are expected to contend.

            • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

              Which is why Warren will be given his shot.
              They aren’t spending on Scherzer and they did alright without Tanaka last year.

              • Havok9120

                Surely you realize the extent to which last season’s performance by the back end of the rotation was exceptional? Not to mention Tanaka getting hurt wouldn’t automatically make the other injury concerns disappear due to karmic intervention.

                I’m just saying, planning from the worst case scenario where Tanaka throws all of two or three starts is just not a useful exercise this offseason. That would be a disaster only luck Providence could get us through.

                • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                  So what would you do assuming we pass on Scherzer?

                  • Havok9120

                    My preferred plan would be McCarthy and Kuroda to go along with Headley. If that level of spending isn’t in the cards, give me Kuroda and Headley to go with some reclamation starters that we can roll the dice on.

                    I’m just saying that we need to accept the fact that, yes, success next season is going to rely heavily on the health of Tanaka/Pineda and some bounceback from McCann, Beltran, and Tex. There was really no level of spending this winter that could have changed that.

                    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                      Agree. You need backup plans or depth.
                      That is the next stage for success.
                      We must hit and pitch as well…

  • Bret The Hitman

    So is it impossible to upgrade Gardner and get a middle order bat in the OF?

    • blake

      not impossible no….I’m sure Cashman has checked on Upton and Kemp both.

      • Bret The Hitman

        What other position can they upgrade in favor of a middle order bat? I don’t see one – assuming Headley at 3B and Prado at 2B of course.

        • blake

          I really have no idea…..they may not can get a middle of the order hitter. They are pretty scarce these days.

          • Bret The Hitman

            Well the money is there because it seems that report was true – Yankees like Tanaka – Pineda as 1-2.

    • Travis Lincoln

      If the Yankees traded Gardner, the fanbase would riot.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Recheck his jersey sales.

    • YakaTanaka

      Upgrading would have to consider defensive value as well as offensive.

    • Colombo

      Why are we trying to upgrade Gardner? He is already a pretty good player, no? Our middle of the order bat in the OF is going to come from a healthy Beltran. you don’t trade one of your 2 or 3 top hitters in an effort to “upgrade” at his position for one year.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Trading Brett Gardner is the new thing around here, haven’t you heard?

        Brett Gardner for a faster laptop.

        • Alfredo Negrin

          I really never liked Gardner, sure he’s a good player but he relies on his speed to get hits and doesn’t hit for much power or average. His speed will start to diminish much like his base stealing ability did. I would trade him for one year of a pitcher or better outfielder with power because they already have a better version of him in Ellsbury locked up for years to come. One of them has to go and it won’t be Ellsbury!

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I don’t see why either Ellsbury or Gardner has to go. That’s one of the sillier things that gets repeated on here, despite information constantly being given to the contrary.

            You may not like him, but he’s been an effective contributor to this team on a very fair contract, at the moment.

            Trading him for a year of anyone not named Kershaw or Trout almost borders on self-sabotage to me.

            • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

              In the eyes of the FO Gardy and Ells are the new core and not going anywhere.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                I don’t agree with that either. I just don’t think we should be looking to dump Gardner for a hot potato, unless that potato’s name is Grett Bardner.

                BigDavey and I are going to make fetch happen here.

                • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                  Well for now I think they see those 2 as the face of the Yankees.

                • Canarsie Yankee

                  But what if that hot potato were filled with chain chili?

            • Canarsie Yankee

              But you can’t possibly have two decent hitters with speed that lack big power! Duh! We need to clear room for Mark Reynolds and Ben Juan Francisco!

          • The Great Gonzo

            Which Brett Gardner have you been watching the past two seasons? In 2014 specifically, he’s hit for average and power (albeit unexpected power much along the lines of Ellsbury’s 2012) , but its not been a ‘hustle out a single’ sort of year from him.

            • Alfredo Negrin

              You call a 260 average good? Please!

              • The Great Gonzo

                Sure do… 260 hitter with SOLID defense, 20 hr power as a switch hitter? Sign me the fuck up.

    • Havok9120

      Sigh.

  • Travis Lincoln

    So…Arizona’s only catcher on the 40 man is something they call a Tuffy. Could we swindle them into taking Romine? Like for Munson or David Hernandez (if they want to save on his arb salary after coming off of TJS)?

    • YakaTanaka

      Yes, teams love to be “swindled” for guys who will probably be cut before the season starts.

      • Scott

        I laughed

  • BigDavey88

    Brett Gardner for John VanderWal. Book it.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Brett Gardner for Aroldis Chapman and a Skyline Chili franchise.

      • BigDavey88

        Anyone think Grett Bardner is available?

        • Travis Lincoln

          I dont think they are shopping him, but they certainly shouldnt have him on the “untouchable” list. I would part with him, depending on the return.

          • BigDavey88

            So you would do Brett Gardner for Grett Bardner straight up? Tough call.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Brett sounds like a girl’s name sometimes. Grett just doesn’t. Easy call.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Brett Gardner for Grit Bardner and Pants Lendleton.

          • BigDavey88

            Didn’t realize Grit and Pants were available, did that kid with the tumblr account tweet this? I only go with credibility.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              All we are saying is give Pants and Grit a chance.

        • YakaTanaka

          In the right deal I think anyone is available. Don’t think Gardner will be dealt, though.

          • BigDavey88

            Even for Bardner?

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Gave serious reply to joke comment. Yaka demerit.

      • Scott

        Man Skyline Chili is horrible. Tried it twice, two different locals. Sucked both times.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Chain chili just never sounds like a good idea, says a guy who just had the Panera turkey chili the other day.

          • Scott

            I actually like the Panera turkey chili.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              It was good in a “it’s really cold outside and I’m at the mall” sort of way, but slow cooking FTW.

          • Canarsie Yankee

            Chain anything sounds horrible, though I’ve had a huge craving for Popeye’s.

  • MB923

    Pat Nishek to the Astros too. That escalated quickly

    Astros are listening to offers on Wade MIley. Cost controlled for a few more years. Wonder what they would want?

    • Oy

      Subpar in the NL West. I’d stop at Murphy and a prospect or two in the top 10-20 range.

      • MB923

        What about Sanchez for Miley straight up?

        • Posada_20

          I would do that. Don’t think the DBaks would though. Theyd want more

    • TB

      Miley is on the D-BACKS not the Astros

      • MB923

        Whoops, sorry. They are making moves left and right that I wrote the wrong team. I fixed it

      • Chip

        Trading another team’s players? That’s a genius move

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    we cant wait on Max and lose mcarthy or even kuroda.
    Nothing wrong with Kuroda, he’s our insurance policy.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    If we’re making the third year of McCarthy the price of doing business, I’d tack in a vesting fourth. Sure.

    This is the time of the off-season where you get delusional and begin thinking four years for Omar Infante is just fine.

    • blake

      I’d rather get Kuroda back or try to trade for a rental starter to be honest. I like McCarthy but I feel like his market is starting to get into the land I do not want to enter…. I am ok pushing the envelope for elite type players…..not so much for guys like him.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Not scared off yet. Two often means three, and I’m simply creatively trying to get to four.

    • Chip

      Totally agree. I’m fine with something like 170 innings in the third year pitched or 300 over the last two

  • TB

    I Love the Gregerson deal for Houston 3 for 18.5 though he is going to be the closer there – The Neshek deal 2 for 12.5 I don’t love – I think Neshek will struggle in that ballpark and upon his return to the AL

    • MB923

      The Greggerson deal is a steal. I’ve wanted him all along, even before Miller & Robertson was signed

      Oh well, here’s hoping Lindgren is who he is, still should be a great 7-8-9

  • Captain Obvious

    Wow, the Yankees really overpaid for Miller.

    • TB

      Not really – he was offered more by Houston and Boston and LA were very close to the Yankees offer

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        He wants to be a Yankee, we likee that here at Evil Empire.

        • Captain Obvious

          Hell no, they paid him the most. Relative to Gregorson, he’s vastly overpaid and based on one year it’s a recipe for disaster.

          • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Miller didn’t just have one good year.

            • Captain Obvious

              Did I say just one good year? He’s being paid based on one year. They aren’t paying for the 2012-2013 version. If they are, that’s a huge overpay.

              • BigDavey88

                *in your opinion*

                • Captain Obvious

                  Actually there are empirical facts you could look up if you care. Only one season in his career has he been worth a $9M AAV.

                  DRob, by contrast, has been worth that each of the last four years.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            No they dint..

            • Captain Obvious

              They “dint” pay him the most, huh? Point to a report and specifics of who offered more.

              • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                calm down cowboy

      • Captain Obvious

        You know that how, exactly? Easy for a player/agent/commenter to say, where are the GMs admitting as such?

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Means less profits, so it’s cool.

      • Scott

        Don’t feed the troll. Just boycott

        • Captain Obvious

          Ha, you’ve got nothing so attacking me is your only option.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          Feed me, Seymour.

      • Captain Obvious

        And likely, less wins than DRob.

  • Rick

    Have to like what the Astros did with their bullpen. Whether that means anything throughout the year, we’ll find out.

    • Big Game Luis Sojo

      at the very least, they will be good trade chips for them

      • Rick

        Possibly. Multi-year contracts don’t necessarily lend themselves to being overly valuable trade chips

  • Austinmac

    MLBTR says the Giants and Tigers on chasing Romo. Bullpen pieces are evidently ready to move. Although I would like to add there, the pen is probably the strongest part of the team.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      I can’t help but wonder what future anthropologists will think when they uncover snippets of “giants and tigers chasing Romo.”

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        This?

      • The Great Gonzo

        There will be no snippets in the future. All cyber snippets will be uncovered and those anthropologists will want to know why that Cashman fella continued to fail….

  • Canarsie Yankee

    Brett Gardner for IPK and Melky.

    • Chip

      Ballsy but I think I’d do it

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Then we can trade IPK and Melky for Bardner.

      • NYCORNERSTONE

        its yardner not bardner hes a 30 30 guy this year we cant trade him ,have to wait for one of the ancient 3 to crumble

        • Chip

          Save the Big 3!!!!

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Bardner for Cueto and Chapman.

      • BigDavey88

        I’m really bullish and Bardner right now

      • edb

        Rather package them with mitch hilligoss or David adams for Gohan Santana.

    • Austinmac

      Melky is a free agent.

      • Chip

        Lies, Melky will always be available for the Yankees to trade

    • blake

      you want to trade Gardner to free agency for Melky?

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Yes, then sign him for 6/96 to reduce profits then trade Gardner again for Juan Francisco, Leake, and Panera chili.

        • blake

          love it….except I hate Panera. I like their black bean soup but that’s about it.

  • Captain Obvious

    Should have re-signed DRob, McCarthy, and Headley when they had the chance. Now the market is going to blow their cheap offers away.

    • Big Game Luis Sojo

      Pretty sure that’s exactly why McCarthy and Headley didn’t sign early.Their agents are a bit smarter than that.

      • Havok9120

        No, no, no. See, it’s only us random guys on blogs that can clearly see the big picture. And when all those professionals that make a living in the industry almost universally go against what we say “should” happen, that’s only proof of their incompetence, not our naivete.

        • The Great Gonzo

          Cashman and the agents are a little too ‘in the weeds’ to see the big picture. Andrew gets it. He’s above all that.

      • Captain Obvious

        The player controls the process. You ever look for a new job? It’s stressful. If you like your current job and get a good offer, many times people choose to stay where they are, against their economic interest.

        Did the Yankees try?

    • Chip

      I’m curious, when was this chance that we missed?

      • Havok9120

        He’s been banging the drum on the exclusive negotiating window since long before he donned this handle.

        He acts as if other teams use it extensively to resign their FAs and the Yanks just miss out due to some combination of stupidity and laziness.

        • Captain Obvious

          Not many counterexamples you can point to on the Yankees. Gardner and???????

          I can point to many examples of such on other teams.

          • Canarsie Yankee

            Which was done during the offseason. Often times, either the team or the player will not negotiate during the season because it’s a distraction.

            • Captain Obvious

              Players often re-sign during the season and during the playoffs. When’s the last time the Yankees went that route?

              • Havok9120

                There was only a single quality FA that signed during the window this season, Andrew.

                • Captain Obvious

                  Nice selective use of language there. Who’s Andrew?

                  • Havok9120

                    Surprisingly, Andrew, it turns out that comparing league minimum players, non-tender candidates, and bench pieces to the best reliever and second best 3B on the market (not just this year, but probably for at least the next two or three) is not an intellectually honest exercise.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      You think my name is Andrew? Wow, if you get something so basic wrong, I know you are pulling most everything else out of your ass.

                      How’s that working for you in life?

                    • Havok9120

                      Pretty well, actually. Got published a couple months ago. Got an awesome job offer for next year that will let me pursue my PhD in 2016.

                      Thank you for asking, Andrew.

                    • edb

                      Congrats

                    • Havok9120

                      Thank you. I’m pretty pumped. It’s been a great year.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      Banking on Ph.D. is not a good move. I’ve seen it kill people’s salaries in the job market.

                      My name is Owen if you care.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      Owen is a stupid name, Andrew.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      Wow, you’re a real asshole.

      • Captain Obvious

        The whole time they were with the club and producing plus the playoffs. Did they make any offers then? Maybe Headley takes 4/60 and McCarthy takes 3/36. Nothing says they needed to wait. Did the Yankees make any strong offers?

        • The Great Gonzo

          How do you know? Show me a link that says they didn’t make an offer to either guy during the season or in the negotiation window.

          Since you want to see our sources for the overpay of Andrew Miller, feel free to show your work here as well.

          Or don’t. Fuck it. We all know already.

          • Captain Obvious

            I can’t show you what doesn’t exist. Teams leak all the time that “they tried to sign him for X”

            No such thing for DRob either, because no offer was made. They admitted that. That itself is telling, not even when he was willing to take a discount.

            • tomingeorgia

              They offered him a one year, $15.3 million contract.

              • Captain Obvious

                Was there any chance at all he’d take that? Why would he?

    • SweetSpot

      McCarthy and Headley were not going to sign until Lester and Panda did. Free market/supply and demand economics 101A – less product drives prices up.

      • Captain Obvious

        So you say. Were offers made? It’s not rocket science figuring these things out. They had the rest of the season. Do they do anything with the time they had?

        • SweetSpot

          Yes, I say. That’s basic economics and no agent in his right mind would recommend a free agent take less money to sign early in a limited resources market and no ballplayer would do so either. Their goal is to maximize what they put in their pocket not leave millions on the table. Also, McCarthy and Headley were mid-season acquisitions it was unknown how they would perform, possible injuries and which other players would become free agents and what their market would be. To criticize Cashman for not signing McCarthy and Headley mid-season, two average performers at best makes zero sense.

          • Captain Obvious

            Who said anything about “less”, Make a solid, market value contract offer and give the player the choice of certainty and in the midst of having a good experience with the team.

            Once they performed well, the time to negotiate was there. Did they at all?

            Seeing they never offered DRob a contract, I don’t see. Happy to be proven wrong.

            • Canarsie Yankee

              Market value is set by whatever offers are out there, plus bidding. Ergo, it likely increases as other players sign and more teams get into the market. There’s every incentive for players to not sign until this time, not sooner, not later (Drew, Morales).

              • Captain Obvious

                And in a free market values float. They had a chance to sign these guys before their value could float. Did they even try?

                Drew and Morales were very different cases with the QO attached.

    • YakaTanaka

      The negative will always prevail!!!!

      Yes, because those three were just waiting around at home waiting for the Yankees to sign them. Not playing the market or anything. Makes sense.

    • Too Many Idiots

      You spelled Oblivious wrong in your handle.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        And it still lacked a B, G, and a T.

        • Captain Obvious

          How does GFY sound?

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Shut up, BGT.

            • Captain Obvious

              You have no power here.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                SSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

      • Oops I Crapped My Pants

        lmao….you got that right

        • Captain Obvious

          Says the guy who can’t control his bowels.

          How old are you? 4 or 6?

  • Captain Clutch

    It’s so funny that Boras told his buddy Heyman that he met with 2 owners yesterday but Heyman doesn’t know which ones.

    • Austinmac

      He has some good inside information at times. But, I ignore it completely with Boras clients such as when he said the Yankees may get in on Scherzer.

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    We need more captains

    • TheEvilUmpire

      Crunch, Kirk, and Obvious are not enough for you?

      • RhapsodyInBlue

        I’m sure you missed a few.

      • RetroRob

        Captain Crunch needs a comeback in CC’s house.

        • TheEvilUmpire

          I know it goes against the grain of health and fitness, but fat CC pitched much better!

          • RetroRob

            Yes. I’m willing to try it and drop some boxes of CC off at CC’s house.

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    I wonder if one of the unidentified owners flying to SD to meet Boras had a stop over in Georgia?

  • RetroRob

    Once Miller signed for a $9 MM AAV (not to mention the injured Hochevar getting $5 MM), Gregerson was going for at least a $6 MM AAV. The one lasting impact from this offseason will be the prices on non-closers, which are now at a new level. Of course, that gets back to the question does Gregerson and Miller count as setup men if they were signed (and become) closers? Instead of being expensive setup men, they might be cheaper closers.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      I don’t know, but it would be nice to see pay based on talent and performance, not whether you have a huge number in the save column.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Excellent point. “Established closer” may be the new market inefficiency. It’s going to take both that category and the suddenly-cheaper “unestablished shut-down guy bombing to turn that around.

      Even more interesting is that if this becomes a precursor to some teams going the “high leverage” approach fans who are against the traditional “closer” approach with have wanted to see for a while.

      • Captain Obvious

        DRob wasn’t “established” last off-season and when he said he’d take a discount to re-sign.

      • RetroRob

        The Yankees do have a chance to make that happen this year since there is no one in the pen who can expect/demand to be called the closer.

        • Captain Obvious

          Relievers prefer defined roles. Helps them getting ready. And without a clear closer, there’s going to alot of media paranoia about who should be…

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          They definitely do. May not be a bad idea.

          This is where my interesting in Gregerson started to increase. You can have him, Kelley, and Warren handle 6th and 7th duty, when necessary, while going with best matchup in the 8th and 9th with Dellin/Miller. Of course, that still puts us in a slightly-less-defined closer specification.

          • Canarsie Yankee

            If the pitchers are compensated accordingly or someone looks past the “they only have 12 recorded saves” bit, then I suspect they’d be all for it.

          • RetroRob

            I liked Gregerson as an option as a solid relief option without a QO attached, although that was when I figured Robertson would be back (and I agree, his short-form name is out the window…unless I’m lazy). I was hoping for an expansion of the pen with either Miller or Gregerson. I suspected they’d only go for one.

            One point on Gregerson that will be interesting to watch, assuming pitching in Houston means anyone will pay attention. He’s pitched in San Diego and Oakland, two good pitchers’ parks. His career home/road splits, at least based on ERA, is pretty large. Something like 2.10 at home/3.60 on the road.

        • Captain Obvious

          By the way, few examples of ill-defined roles working out well for teams.

          I’m all for high leverage innings, but relievers need roles.

    • Captain Obvious

      I’d rather have Gregorson and DRob than Miller.

    • Bigdan

      That’s exactly true. I made this point last week when I explained why Millier was being more sort after than Drob. Teams were viewing him as a discounted elite closer. An elite closer at $10MM per is not a bad deal. And that’s how the Yanks valued him as well in substituting him for Drob. Which is why I think he will be designated as the Yanks closer probably sometime in ST even if it’s “unofficial.”

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Not so sure about that dan.
        I think girardi likes the depth that miller and betances bring.
        Romo or Tuck/Untuck would be fine to close.

        • Bigdan

          It’s possible the Yanks will add to the bullpen because Cashman specifically left that open yesterday. But I don’t think it makes sense to add another $4MM a year pitcher to this bullpen after you’ve presumably saved $2.5MM a year by going from Drob to Miller. Why make the switch at all then? Just for the draft pick? And if you are putting a lower quality $2-3MM guy in the ninth inning I don’t think you would be able to allow that pitcher any type of margin for error. As soon as he blew a save held by Betances/Miller, you’d bounce him from the closer role and promote Betances or Miller to that spot anyway.

          I think the Yanks are gong to stand pat with their bullpen now. They have a ton of internal options to fill middle relief roles.

          • http://batman-news.com Thunderfingers

            Cashman did say they looked at the value of the draft pick and that played a role in the decision to go with Miller over D-Rob. Seems the $2.5M/yr + Draft pick was the reason for the switch. We’ll see if they add a Romo or Grilli using that savings or if they apply it elsewhere, but the pick seems to be important in their mind.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            Still disagree. A lefty righty combo of Dellin and Miller is lethal. They have made the closer an afterthought.
            Romo or Soriano are competent enough. The message is you don’t have to overpay a closer when middle relief/setup does the heavy lifting. Hence the days of overpaid closers are gone in Yankeeville.

    • YakaTanaka

      Prices are going up and attitudes may be changing some, but I also think this is a relatively new/unique situation where the RP talent on the market is more concentrated in guys without closing experience than guys with it. Usually the best FA RPs have been closers for their old teams. Outside of DRob for one year, that’s not really the case this year.

      Basically, I don’t know if these developments are actually demand driven or if they’re actually supply driven.

  • blake

    Yankee blogs: solving all the the Yankees problems one Gardner trade proposal at a time

    • RetroRob

      Unfortunately, I’ve yet to even hear one trade proposal that makes sense.

      • blake

        eh there are some…..Gardner for Melky makes the most sense I’ve heard yet ;)

        • SweetSpot

          How do you make a deal for a free agent?

          • NYCORNERSTONE

            you sign him then trade him duh

            • SweetSpot

              Sign and trades are not legal according to the latest MLBPA agreement. And if they were, you are going to sign a free agent and trade him to someone who could have just signed the free agent themselves? Ummm. Ok.

          • blake

            it can be done…..where there is a will there is an F

          • Canarsie Yankee

            Easy. Hit “force trade” and trade him to Free Agents general managed by Cashman Succeeds.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Melky and IPK. You’ve been here long enough, blake. We expect you to know all the old memes by now.

          • blake

            oh right.

    • RhapsodyInBlue

      Kemp? I like Gardner but we need some power.

      • blake

        would love to get Kemp but doubt the dodgers would have interest in Gardner given they have Joc Pederson ready to go and that they are trying to clear outfielders

      • YakaTanaka

        I don’t think power for the sake of power does much for you. Kemp could ve great or terrible, and I don’t know which it will be going forward… But hypothetically giving up the same number more runs as you score does you no good.

        • Bret The Hitman

          The presence of one legit middle order hitter in a lineup has an impact on the others. It goes beyond that individual’s value on offense. Just because the effect can’t be measured, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    • Chip

      Gardner and Bryan Mitchell to the Reds for Cueto and then sign Melky to play LF?

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        what about chapman?

        • Chip

          What about him? I would rather have Cueto.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            chapman would create a buzz in FO Land.
            Ticket sales would soar.
            George would have bit, not Hal.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Jorge would bite. That’s for sure.

              • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                I’m sure youd love the Cuban Missile.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  I do like Aroldis, and hes’s my eighth inning guy in Tap Sports Baseball.

                  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                    Could you imagine a 7-8-9 of Betances-Miller-Chapman?
                    Off the charts, fans would clamor .

                    • Mattycakes

                      The team would still be pretty mediocre, but my god that would be glorious.

            • YakaTanaka

              Tickets sales would soar if the Yankees added another RP?

      • blake

        I actually like that but I doubt the Reds would…..I think they’ll want younger and cheaper for Cueto if they move him

        • Chip

          Depends…They would have Gardner under control for a few years at a reasonable price and can either spin him off or pair him with Billy Hamilton at the top of the lineup.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        For one year of Cueto? Really?

        • Chip

          I like Gardner – but yeah – Cueto is a top of the rotation starter – I think even a rental of that kind of talent costs you GGBG and a ML ready pitcher.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            No way. Not for a year of him.

      • Mattycakes

        How about we try for Todd Frazier?! The Reds are weird. Not sure if they are rebuilding or what.

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    Wasn’t this an awful strategy from the Red Sox? First they try to trade him, then publicly offer Lester a low 4/70 extension in his walk year; if they just ponied up a little more in the extension negotiations (much less than the latest offer), they would have surely kept him. Boston now looses out on their best possible pitcher (‘their’ used loosely because of the trade to Oakland) after going all-out in FA bidding to their former GM/assistant GM. Junior Varsity moves from their FO, all around.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      The must overpay for Sherzer now.

      • craig

        The RS won’t go there and the Yankees don’t have to.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          He’ll go back to the Tigers.

      • Havok9120

        Certainly be interesting. They need his arm, but Boras knows that, too.

    • Captain Obvious

      At least they got value by trading him. How the Yankees handled DRob seems worse, especially to sign a lesser relief pitcher to a dumber contract.

      • RhapsodyInBlue

        Yeah they got value the last offer I heard was Cespedes for IPK.

        • Captain Obvious

          It’s something and more valuable than some lame draft pick.

          • RhapsodyInBlue

            Might make sense if Cespedes was a good lefty taking the hill every 5th day. Besides we have Miller and a pick for less than what DRob got.

            • Captain Obvious

              Point remains, they’ll get something for Cepedes.

              • Havok9120

                Andrew, we were still in the hunt for the WC. Trading our most reliable relief pitcher (likely for little return) in July probably would have been unwise.

                • The Great Gonzo

                  But it worked so well for Boston! Cespedes turns the franchise around!

                  • Captain Obvious

                    Your strawman is beautiful.

                • Captain Obvious

                  Only in your fevered dreams. They were terrible this year and played above their talent, DRob hd a big part in that. Betances too.

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner

                    Math is not difficult, Andrew.

                    Please shut up, BGT.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      Trolly troll troll, huh? Have fun, loser. You are here far more than me.

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      Because people like his contributions, Andrew.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      Funny how lemmings run together, right off cliffs.

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      You’re right, Andrew.

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      Except lemmings don’t actually do that, Andrew.

              • RhapsodyInBlue

                Duh yeah. But at the cost of losing the best lefty ever to pitch for the Red Sox. And one I might add that will be very costly to replace.

                • Captain Obvious

                  Losing? They made a choice they weren’t willing to re-sign him to a big contract. Same choice the Yankees made on Cano. Better that choice and to get something, than to get nothing.

                  • RhapsodyInBlue

                    It was a monumental blunder. Opening day pitcher for the Sox is now Clay Buchholz. They envisioned wrongly Lester would re-up as a free agent then they would have both Cespedes and Lester. The big difference is that the Yankees offered Cano more per season then he got from the Mariners but they didn’t want to go 10 years for obvious reasons. Lester signed for only 6 years, the Sox cheaped out. Any GM dealing with the Sox for pitching is going to ask for Mookie Betts as part of a package.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      Nah, they wouldn’t have traded him if they weren’t willing to lose him.

                    • RhapsodyInBlue

                      Yeah and why John Henry flew to Georgia last weekend. Please tell me who replaces Lester in the rotation. You are a troll.

          • Havok9120

            Come now, Andrew, at least try to be consistent. Next week you’ll be bashing the farm system and saying we need to build from within.

            • Captain Obvious

              You don’t know me, and you clearly don’t know my name. Bash what I say, if you can, not what you think I’ll say.

              • Havok9120

                The rest of the board seems to be doing a fine job of that as it is, Andrew.

          • The Great Gonzo

            Its barely something since they now have 8 OF and can’t move him for anything better than IPK.

            Could you imagine if they moved Robertson at the deadline and got IPK in return? there would be revolt, most likely by you.

            • Captain Obvious

              If they had no intention of signing Robertson, getting an established starter for their very thin rotation would have been an excellent idea.

              Instead they got nothing.

        • The Great Gonzo

          Yup. NO ONE wants Cespedes all of the sudden. And he is a legit power bat.

          The Sox got swindled.

          • Captain Obvious

            That’s an overstatement.

            • The Great Gonzo

              LOL. You are the king of blind and baseless overstatements. This seems like a stretch, even for you DeClerk.

              • Captain Obvious

                Well see, won’t we? Cepedes has value, and that’s more than the Yankees got for DRob or Cano.

        • Fernandito Andujar

          I think they will have a hard time trading Cespedes straight up for a one-year pitcher. Teams are going to want another player to make up for loss of draft pick. Right now Sox have Cespedes with too many other OF and no chance to offer him QO for draft pick.

      • YakaTanaka

        Negativity! Negativity! I hate the Yankees but spend all my time on their blogs!!!

        • Captain Obvious

          Grow up.

          • Havok9120

            Pot, Andrew. Andrew, Pot.

            You’ll be best friends.

          • YakaTanaka

            I think it’s you who needs to grow up amd realize that no one is perfect. Criticizing the Yankees not only for mistakes but for things you think could turn out to be mistakes is really immature. Whatever they do, you find something to criticize it for. If they signed DRob, you’d probably criticize how much they paid.

            • Canarsie Yankee

              Overpay for Robertson, but too much profits. Must burn cash in furnace!

              • Captain Obvious

                DRob on the contract he got would have been excellent. They never tried.

            • Captain Obvious

              Seriously how old are you? You don’t know me.

              • YakaTanaka

                What does knowing you have to do with reading and responding to your comments? I know what you post on here. Everyone does. Many people seem to find it objectionable, seeing as I get double digit likes when I call you out on it.

                So you will stop asking the same assinine question every single day: I am 29. Learn to communicate like an adult and stop trying to belittle me every time you feel threatened. Calling me names does not advance the conversation.

                • Captain Obvious

                  You must be in high school based on how much you want people “like” you. Get back to class, Son.

                  • YakaTanaka

                    It’s pretty ironic that you keep calling me immature while making ridiculously immature comments.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  Fuckin’ youngin’

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                He’s old enough to have something better to do than be on the Internet, al day and night, under four different screen names, just to get a rise out of blog commenters, Andrew.

                Now shut your ass up, BGT.

                • Captain Obvious

                  You are clueless. Get bent.

                  • Jim Is Bored

                    Get bent? Who the heck says that, Andrew?

    • RetroRob

      If they wanted to keep Lester, and it appears they did, their strategy was poorly executed beginning with the 4/70 offer. Dustin Dinklage gave them a belief they could substantially underpay the market and their home players would sign. Lester seemed to think differently.

    • Terry Noack

      and no compensation pick since they traded him midseason.. Love it!!

    • The Great Gonzo

      AND…… They are saddled with Cespedes who they apparently cannot stand, as the fruit of that whole move.

      Goes to show you, if you’re gonna be ‘smarter than the room’, you best be right.

      • YakaTanaka

        Their handling of this situation may have been flawed, but overall their org seems to be in pretty good shape.

        • The Great Gonzo

          How can you say that though? Since winning the 2012 offseason, they:

          Got caught up in fanboy ownership and Chicken & Beergate. Sold all those players for .45 on the dollar, and went to last place with a “new vision”…

          Two winters ago, they bought all the midlevel players, got lucky, did NOTHING on the heels of the luckiest pennant in the history of the game and were heralded by many brilliant people who know nothing about baseball.

          Exhibit 1: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-24/john-henry-and-the-making-of-a-boston-red-sox-baseball-dynasty#p1

          After all that, it all goes to shit when they cannot sustain the success by replacing Ellsbury with Grady Sizemore, they sold again, while publicly mocking the Yankees for spending the way they have.

          Exhibit 2: And while it’s true that Henry never said the Sox wouldn’t sign another over-30 player to a long-term deal, he also told Businessweek that they maintain “a wildly different approach” from the rival Yankees, who he accused of igniting a “feeding frenzy of bidding up stars.” In spring training, team president Larry Lucchino gloated about the “inimitable old-fashioned Yankees style of high-priced, long-term free agents,” saying it makes him “cringe when people lump us together.”

          And then? They sell again, just to buy again. And their ‘stockpile’ of young players? Were not ‘awe inspiring’ in 2014 to say the least.

          So NOPE. Their Org is a goddam mess. Top down, decisions to futures to vision to direction. Its bad. Really really bad.

          • YakaTanaka

            That’s a pretty biased look at the state of their organization.

            They’ve got several very good hitters (with some position assets left over to trade for some sort of SPing) and a well regarded farm system. I didn’t say they’re exceptionally well run. I said their org is in a prett good place or something like that.

            • The Great Gonzo

              Its a counterpoint to say that they might have some prospects and as much money to spend as any team, but they are an INCREDIBLY poorly run operation.

              I can’t say that a team with fan-boy owners with no baseball knowledge, no clear direction and mediocre (at best) baseball people in place “in a pretty good spot”, regardless of how many Mookie Betts’ or Anthony Ranaudos they have in Pawtucket.

    • YakaTanaka

      Weird and possibly a mistake, but they’re not strapped with his contract and should be able to piece together a rotation (though obviously I hope their rotation and off-season spending blow up on them).

      • Havok9120

        Yeah, but unless they blow Scherzer/Boras out of the water or go all out prying Hamels away from RAJ, they’re basically starting the season with the rotation we had after Tanaka got hurt.

        I don’t care how spiffy your offense looks or how many starting caliber OFs are on your bench, that ain’t getting it done.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Possibly. They would have been applauded, even by me, if they’d pulled the Lester signing off.

      Still, though, there is an itch to spend some cash there. Would it surprise you if that money now went towards Lester or BGJS? Or if they actually did empty out that shit-pen they call a farm for Koal Hammmels? I’m not shitting on Cherington much just yet.

      Awful for die-hards, though. The names just come, go, and get shit on on their way out.

      • The Great Gonzo

        They are going to sell themselves on Shields and Masterson. And that seems like a bad idea.

        • Havok9120

          That could turn disastrous in a hurry for them.

  • Grover

    We are so impatient and quick to the negative. They have a shortstop and two legitimate hard throwing lefties in the pen. Phelps and Warren being stretched is logical. Just relax, let it unfold and accept that we have no effect on Ninja Cashman.

    • edb

      True but you should check out the comments on the sox blogs right now. They are ready to burn a luccino effigy over this Lester business. It’s highly entertaining.

      • SweetSpot

        Nothing could be finer than a Sox fan with angina in the morning.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        I would pay to see that.

        • Havok9120

          Over the Monster is a fantastic place to go see some crazy Sox drama. Their gamethreads in 2011 and 2013 were a blast. I still have the game thread from the last game of 2011 bookmarked so I can go reread it every now and then.

          And that game for the centennial of Fenway when we came back from 8-0 to win by 9? Another golden day.

      • Havok9120

        I went over the Over the Monster last night, but the news hadn’t broke there yet.

        I’m gonna go dig back in.

        • edb

          Their tears nourish me.

    • Captain Obvious

      Because they’ve scored 650 runs two years running. None of what you point to corrects that sad fact. The Bronx Bunters…

      • SweetSpot

        Beltran, McCann, Ellsbury and Teixeira are your ‘bats.’

        • Captain Obvious

          Only one of those were above average in 2014.

          • SweetSpot

            Two years ago? I see. Nonetheless, what don’t you understand about their contracts and the fact that none of them are going anywhere?

  • SweetSpot

    The Yankees are looking for starting pitching, another infield asset (probably Headly) and possibly a relief pitcher, not a power bat. They spent big on Beltran, McCann and Ellsbury last year, Teixeira is still here and they are banking on them all having better years in 2015. Those are their ‘bats.’

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Agreed. There’s a fixation here on trying to “fix” the outfield in order to increase power output. Your increased power output is most likely coming, if it does, from names like Beltran, McCann, and Rodriguez. Perhaps you add a full year of Headley to that, if it happens.

      • SweetSpot

        I agree. Factually, there are very few roster spots available, all those players are under contract with no-trades and are pretty much not tradable in any event with the exception of Gardner and he would take a pretty major ‘can’t say no’ deal to be moved and I don’t see that happening.

        • cashmoney

          then you should also agree, factually, Yankees might be in deep shit offensively. there is some volatility in terms of future performances in those above mentioned names. If your general statement implies we should be come to accept the reality of massive sunken cost occupying those positions given little leeway in terms additional big ticket spending, then sure Yankees has been giving out that vibe all winter.

          • SweetSpot

            It’s a fact that the Yankees have a lot of money tied up in long-term contracts with players that underperformed, for different reasons, last year. They are banking on them being better this season.

            • Canarsie Yankee

              There’s no other choice. Even if money were truly no object, roster spots are.

              • SweetSpot

                That’s it.

          • SweetSpot

            It’s true.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        But the outfield is for power. Just like closers are for closin’.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          There’s somethin’ ’bout that Brett Gardner I don’t like. Therefore, the team should trade him, preferably for someone who will just bolt after the season. That’s how much of a shit-stain Brett Gardner is. Better to not have his team-friendly contract not on the books, and have nothing to show for it, in 2016.

          • edb

            Never trust a guy you can’t outrun.

        • cashmoney

          traditionally, you like power from corner positions, the idea here it’s easier to obtain ‘power’ from the corner than middle of field positions. I know it’s a joke, but there is a point to that saying.

          • Havok9120

            Yes, but tradition is a bit of a weak crutch when we’re in the lowest offensive era in almost a century. No one is hitting, almost no one has power. The guys that have it are being traded and signed for astronomical sums OR they are one dimensional players.

            The age where your corner outfielders were a pair of burly, nondescript white guys that hit .260 and jacked 25-35 HRs is over, at least for now.

          • Canarsie Yankee

            Yeah, I get that. Truly I do. But Gardner and Ellsbury were two of the top producers for the Yankees, seems silly to focus so much on the fact that they’re not traditional power bats.

            • cashmoney

              I am was just saying, i don’t care where the upgrades come from. but still that saying has some merits.

              • Canarsie Yankee

                It will take more to upgrade those slots than it would to upgrade, say, shortstop, where a Gregorius is already a potential upgrade.

  • http://cnn.com/ Magic Rat

    Damn!
    Just Crazy.

    Jayson Stark of ESPN.com reports that Jon Lester’s signing bonus with the Cubs is worth $30 million.
    Wowza. The bonus will be paid out over the life of his six-year, $155 million contract. The deal carries a full no-trade clause. The seventh year option is worth $25 million and carries a $10 million buyout. It will vest if he reaches 200 innings in 2020 or 400 total innings between 2019-20.
    Related: Cubs
    Source: Jayson Stark on Twitter

    • http://cnn.com/ Magic Rat

      And Scherzer deal figures to be even crazier.

      Esmil Rogers is suddenly looking a bit more appealing.

    • RetroRob

      So I wonder what benefit there is to calling his $30 MM bonus a bonus if it’s is paid out over the life of the contract? It is still calculated as part of the AAV. If they pay him an AAV of $26 MM (rounded up), with $21 MM in base and $5 MM in bonus, it’s still the same.

      • http://cnn.com/ Magic Rat

        Good point. Don’t know.

        • edb

          He gets his money even if he retires if it’s a signing bonus.

          • RetroRob

            That’s interesting. It’s unlikely to ever be used, but it does provide some protection to the player. I’m surprised we don’t see more of that. I guess there is also a point where teams really don’t want to incent the player too highly to retire while still paying them!

        • RetroRob

          I don’t know either, but there clearly is some advantage to structuring in that way.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Maybe it’s not the AAV but just the net present value of the money itself. Aren’t the Cubs looking into some renovations that should increase their revenue?

    • Captain Obvious

      So the Cubs blew away other offers. Good for them.

      • http://cnn.com/ Magic Rat

        We’ll see.

        The Cubs have some interesting young talent for sure but by the time they develop (assuming they do) will Lester be in serious decline?
        Arrieta was great last year but who else will be joining Lester in the rotation?

        Like all of these long term contracts, the back end doesn’t look real promising and in this case, the Cubs don’t look strong enough to win in the short term either.

        • Rick

          The Cubs are banking their talent is ready by 2016

  • mitch

    i’d give McCarthy 4/48 if push came to shove. 3/36 would be a bargain.

    • blake

      4 years makes me nervous for him…..

      • Mattycakes

        What about like 3 for 39? Higher AAV, but not as many years. Do you think he’d bite for something like that?

      • Chip

        Yeah, I’m not sure I would go 4 there.

  • Bret The Hitman

    Talent costs money. Everybody’s shocked.

  • SweetSpot

    I’m taking action for charity; anyone who thinks the Yankees are going to give Scherzer an 8-year $200 million plus contract please let me know. I’d love to help the needy out with your dough.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    I don’t like the idea of bullpen guys negotiating contracts!

    • edb

      I was confused by that too

  • Bret The Hitman

    This offseason is what happens when you get bent by Arod, Tex and CC. There is no greater weight of dead money in all of baseball.

    • Rick

      Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton say hello

      • Bret The Hitman

        They’re next but we have them beat. Notice the silence there as well.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Then McCann, Beltran, Ellsbury fixin’ to blow back a kiss before long. Maybe Tanaka.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          But trade for Kemp and sign Lester. Also, Headley or bust.

    • YakaTanaka

      Your expectation that the Yankees should be signing every single big money free agent is the problem.

      And, ironically, most of those contracts will probably become dead weight rather quickly. You are upset that the Yankees can’t sign deadweight contracts because they have deadweight contracts…

      • Bret The Hitman

        Your expectation that the Yankees should be signing every single big money free agent?
        _________________
        ????
        Quit deflecting. This team has no flexibility period and you know it.

        • SweetSpot

          One can be for signing expensive free agents or against it – but it doesn’t change the fact that those contracts are a significant hindrance to improving the team.

        • YakaTanaka

          That directly contradicts all available information we have. They’ve signed one of the top RPs on the market. They’ve traded for a young SS. They’re rumored to be one of the most likely teams to sign one of the best position players on the market to a $50 mill plus deal. They’ve been linked to McCarthy constantly and Kuroda is another possibilitly. Eppler said yesterday or two days ago that they’re looking into using the money they saved at SS on Ps. There are conflicting rumors kn their level of interest on Scherzer, arguably THE single best baseball player available on thw open market this off-season. Cashman said their payroll will be “impressive,” which isn’t proof of anything but certainly leaves the door open for multiple big additions.

          Flexibility and having nothing of value on your roster also temd to have a fairly direct relationship.

          You have a really loose relationship with reality. You are the like the archetype of the LoHud commenter. Sensationalism galor and almost total disregard for facts.

          • Bret The Hitman

            You’re totally delusional if you think their actions and inaction so far reflects a significant degree of flexibility.

            • YakaTanaka

              Why are you so concerned with flexibility? They have the flexibility to address their needs and go into next season with a good chance of competing. What more flexibility do they need? (You still haven’t addressed by point that wishing they didn’t have these big contracts for guys in their 30s so they could sign more big contracts that take guys into their mid-to-late 30s is kind of weird.)

              What I tried to say before is that flexibility is a means to an end, not an end in itself.

              The most flexible teams are often that way because they have no talent on their roster. They have opening everywhere and few big salaries, so they can sign whoever they want.

              What would you like the Yankees to have the flexibility to do?

              • Bret The Hitman

                Do you believe the contracts of Arod, Tex and CC have created any inflexibility?

                • YakaTanaka

                  Obviously I do. There’s an opportunity cost to literally every decision you make. Signing Lester or Scherzer would also create inflexibility. Not as much short-term since they migjt be tradable, but in say three years possibly just as much.

                  You have addressed literally zero of my points and have made a fairly irrelevant comment. Not having total flexibility is not the same thing as having no flexibility.

                  • Bret The Hitman

                    My initial statement is Arod Tex and CC have bent the Yankees. You have acknowledged they have created inflexibility, relevant to my initial post. You stated

                    “Your expectation that the Yankees should be signing every single big money free agent is the problem.”

                    This is not my expectation. This is you instigating a dishonest conversation. Why did you feel the need to respond to my initial statement with this hyperbole? I’m all for addressing points but it’s easier to do that if, from the beginning, you’re more honest when you counter a point.

                    • YakaTanaka

                      You are being dishonest about what you said. You were the one using hyperbole, which seems to be how you talk.

                      You said if I think they have any flexibility at all I am delusional. Do you not remeber that?

        • Havok9120

          Well….you were calling rather loudly to sign Lester and add Kemp.

          Those contracts will, almost inevitably, turn into dead weight at some point. We can either sign the major deals or we can avoid dead weight contracts that restrict flexibility in future years.

          • Bret The Hitman

            Lester over McCarthy and whatever garbage they have to trade for when the rotation implodes due to injury. Upton over Kemp with Gardner’s salary going out.

            • Havok9120

              Which is fine, but does not address the fact that those contracts will likely, in a few years time, look just as much like dead weight as Tex’s and CC’s.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              And, in three years….

              Funny how you accuse Yaka of deflecting. Anyone who doesn’t agree with your limited view is deflecting.

              • Bret The Hitman

                Your expectation that the Yankees should be signing every single big money free agent is the problem.
                ____________
                That’s deflection right there. He framed his response to imply I think the Yankees should be signing EVERY SINGLE big money free agent. From the beginning, it’s a dishonest conversation due to that false frame.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Not true.

    • SweetSpot

      You’re right on the money, pun intended. Those contracts which total more than $68 million in 2015 alone are an albatross around the Yankees necks and will be until 2016 for Tex and CC and 2017 for A-Rod.

      • Bret The Hitman

        They may lose Headley because of these constraints.

        • SweetSpot

          I don’t think that will happen. The Yankees will sign Headley.

          • Bret The Hitman

            I’ll be furious if they don’t.

            • Mattycakes

              Why would you be furious? I’m not trying to be snarky, just genuinely wondering?

              • Bret The Hitman

                Because the offense sucks how many years running now? And every action or inaction that dilutes it further is inexcusable. But I get it. They’re stuck with these crappy contracts, mostly Arod, CC and Tex.

                • Havok9120

                  Two. The offense has sucked for two years.

                  And one of those had more to do with injury than anything else.

                  • Bret The Hitman

                    Well my dog aged 14 years, doesn’t that count?

                    • Havok9120

                      Hmm…..

                      No.

                      :D

                  • Canarsie Yankee

                    Two years is 6.8% of my life thus far. The Yankees are literally killing me.

                • Mattycakes

                  Yeah, I mean I guess I am at the point where I think they need to do a minor rebuild this year because I just don’t see many options for improving the putrid offense. It might not be a bad idea to wait out some of the bad contracts, try out some of the kids, and maybe hope for a wild card. That’s why I wouldn’t be all that upset if they didn’t go after Headley (If he was a middle of the order bat or if he was a bit younger, I would be more apt to want to sign him, but he will only be a minor offensive upgrade at this point). Maybe save the money for next year (there might be an interesting collection of free agents next year, if they actually make it to market).

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Like David Adams furious?

              • Bret The Hitman

                Never been a prospect hugger.

        • BPH

          I wouldn’t consider them constraints. It’s not that the Yanks CAN’T afford bigger contracts, it just appears that they don’t WANT to sign anyone to bigger contracts.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          They may lose Headley because they simply due value him at the dollar amounts others seem to. That’s independent of what else is on the books.

          If they value someone, they spend. Let me introduce you to Masahiro Tanaka…

        • Douglas Rau

          Lost out on Lester and Robertson. Got to spend the money on somebody.

    • Chip

      But that 2009 trophy sure is pretty

      • Bret The Hitman

        That makes it ok.

        • RetroRob

          There is a downside that fans don’t want to accept. Long-term contracts are good at the start, less so at the end. People want the Yankees to sign Lester or Scherzer, and they would help the Yankees today, but those same people won’t want to live with the downside. I’m fine with it. The 2009 team was properly positioned to add talent and to go for it. The 2015 Yankees are not. They need to flush out a couple of these contracts, and that’s still at least a couple years off.

          • Bret The Hitman

            The fact it’s a couple years off has me hating their faces (Arod, Tex, CC).

    • Douglas Rau

      Ryan Howard, his .223/.310/.380 slash line and his $25 million 2015 and ’16 salaries beg to differ.

  • Mattycakes

    With Gregerson off the board do the Yankees try some more MFIKY?

    • YakaTanaka

      I wouldn’t be shocked if the Yankees add another late inning RP, but I also don’t really expect it. They have two of the best RPs in baseball during 2014, and a lot of depth. RPs are also arguably the easiest players to find, as it’s essentially a parttime role at the P position. They’re usually available cheaply via trade in-season, gems are found on the waiver wire fairly easily, and a decent portion of failed SPs can become varying degrees of good RPs. Adding more to the BP would really be a luxury at this point.

      • Mattycakes

        Agreed. Personally, I think should go with what they have this point (and wait for Lindgren, who hopefully pans out). I was all for signing Gregerson, but now that he is off the board I don’t think the other relievers are going to be the worth the money. Although my only fear is that without an “official” closer, Betances and Miller won’t be used as effectively as they could be bc one of them will be assigned the ninth.

        • YakaTanaka

          Giriardi said yesterday that one will be assigned to the closer role and he thinks Ps need the stability of knowing their role. And I don’t think there’s any proof that he’s wrong. There are practical (dry humping and selecting which inning will be the most inportant ahead of time) and psychological elements to consider. Fans tend to create this ideal scenario a posteriori where a manager knows exactly when to stick a RP in the game when a clutch moment strikes, but in reality those moments often develop instantaneously and the RP has to have warned up well in advance of the moment he goes in the game. You can’t just stick the guy in there right after someone hits a double to turn a one man on 1B situation into a two men in scoring position situation. If you get him up right after the double, there’s a decent chance that by the time he’s ready the sotuation has concluded one way or the other. All the dryhumping limits the number of actual innings a guy can throw, and rushing warmups could have an impact on the health of his arm.

          I’m not all for totally set BP roles and find the idea of a closer kind of ridiculous, but I just also don’t think the alternative is necessarily much more effective. I think it tends to be romanticized with more of a video game outlook at switching pitchers at a moment’s notice.

          • edb

            Turning off pitcher warm up takes all the fun out of the game.

          • Mattycakes

            Yeah that’s a good counter-argument. From what I have read, it makes more sense to use the better relievers in higher leverage situations, which is where I was coming from. That said, you have brought of some very good points, which are definitely worth considering.

            • YakaTanaka

              Yeah, in theory it is. The highest leverage situation is tough to ID a priori, though. (Say you’re in a jam in the 7th with two on and 1 out… can’t really say if you don’t use your ace RP now whether you’ll be in a worse jam in the 8th or 9th with no one out and better hitters coming up.) Then there are the elements that make it tough to stick the RP into that situation in realtime even if you ID it. I can’t even begin to evaluate the psychological issues ir their impact, I just don’t have the skills.

              • Mattycakes

                Right, that’s a good point (and honestly it was one I hadn’t thought of before), but let me ask you this: suppose you did have two on and 1 out in the seventh. Wouldn’t you rather have the ability to have Miller or Betances available, rather than let’s say going to Warren because he is the seventh inning guy? Or do you think the results would even out over the course of the seasons because of other factors (for example, higher leverage situations in the 8th and 9th that Miller and Betances would take care of because its their respective innings/the psychological comfort of having an assigned “inning”)?

                • YakaTanaka

                  I tend to think the results will even out. And even if it’s marginally beneficial, any psychological issues may make it a net negative… or may not. I don’t have any proof, though, and could be convinced otherwise.

                  I think that some flexibility would be preferable. I don’t know that total flexibility or reverse inflexibility would.

                  I do think most managers are somewhat flexible with setup men (could be wrong). So my guess is the save stat distorts things a bit. I think things would naturally gravitate towards a prcking order without it, though.

                  • Mattycakes

                    Gotcha. That makes sense to me.

          • RetroRob

            It would be surprising, based on how Girardi manages his pen, if he didn’t name a closer. Not saying that’s the best way, but that is probably the way he is heading. The question is will they sign someone like Romo for the 9th, leaving the 7th and 8th for Betances and Miller.

            • YakaTanaka

              He pretty mich flat out said it’s where he plans to head next season. I don’t know how much he makes that decision vs. how much the decision isade by the FO and he implements it, though.

              I don’t expect another big money RP and I also don’t really think sticking an inferior P in the 9th inning is a good decision. Or at least a better decision than just sticking your best RP in the 9th.

              • RetroRob

                Then either Miller or Betances will be restricted to the three out, no-one-on base closer role, which means an inferior pitcher will absorb some of the innings that Miller or Betances would have been taking in the 7th or 8th, and in many cases having to pitch out of tighter situations.

                • YakaTanaka

                  That’s a false narrative. Closers can come into the middle of the 8th as easily as your top setup man can come into the middle of the 7th.

                  I think we’ve already had this conversation and I pointed out to you that neither Mo nor DRob suddenly saw his innings dissapear in a closer role. That’s not a comprehensive review of the evidence, but you still have yet to provide a single lick of evidence.

                  • RetroRob

                    Wasn’t me.

  • Greggreen

    the meetings being on the west coast this year is BRUTAL. ive been up since 6 and its been a long 6 hours.

    • Rick

      How do you think us people feel that wake up routinely every day by 6?

      • Douglas Rau

        Your body has adjusted to it. When you’re trying to establish a new sleeping time, starting is always the worst.

  • Canarsie Yankee

    In best King of Siam voice from The King and I: “Why are there players signing with other teams?”

  • Dude

    Theo did a masterful job of putting the Cubs together from the ground up. Wish we had a GM like that.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      I know. I sure wish the Yankees sucked as bad as the Cubs have for the last several years. That 2009 World Series championship is clearly getting in the way of 2019.

    • edb

      You mean you wish we sucked for a decade?

    • Mattycakes

      You do realize they had to totally tank in order to do that? It didn’t just happen.

      • Gregory Eckes

        Yes but the Cubs have sucked forever. Makes no difference to the fanbase.

        • Mattycakes

          Yeah that’s true too.

          • Gregory Eckes

            It’s happened to the Jets too. People would rather tank and get a high draft pick than win a few games a be stuck in mediocrity. Only difference is that the fanbase and media are more pressurized than the Cubs fanbase are, which leads to conflicts of interest,

            • edb

              Football prospects don’t need 4 yrs of development though.

        • Chip

          I would imagine there are Cubs fans who disagree with this

    • YakaTanaka

      BGT? What was your last handle again?

    • Chip

      Yep, it takes some tough work to get Kris Bryant (number 2 overall pick), Addison Russell (traded away their best pitcher), and Baez (number 9 overall pick). I mean , Cashman is failing by not trading away our young talent and picking these guys up in the draft.

      I will, however, give the Cubs credit for Castro, Soler and Valbuena who all came from the IFA market. The Arrieta trade was also a stroke of genius

      • Jimmy Mulligan

        Yeh Chip, not like Cashman. Takes a lot of work to hand out $20M+ contracts to free agents like they’re candy. Don’t throw stones when the Yankee’s GM can’t make the playoffs with a $200M payroll.

  • Bret The Hitman

    Can we ban Arod again?

    • Mattycakes

      Nah dude, he’s going to play third for us.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Oh God.

      • Rick

        Well he’s most certainly not going to do that

        • Mattycakes

          It would be quite the spectacle if he did.

        • YakaTanaka

          It’s possible.

    • RetroRob

      Packages with steroids have been arriving at A-Rod’s home marked from an R. Levine. So far he hasn’t failed another test…yet.

      • Bret The Hitman

        They make pot brownies, why not steroid brownies?

      • edb

        When did he fail the first one? Baseball sucks at testing.

        • Chip

          He’s never failed an actual test. He failed the exploratory tests but those were “confidential”. He only got in trouble because his provider got raided

  • Gregory Eckes

    I do like the Didi trade. It’s like the Pineda trade to me (which we’ve won already). Get young talent in here and let them develop.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      OMG ITZ GREEEEEEEG.

    • Havok9120

      Whoa. Where have YOU been?

      • RetroRob

        Is that Greg, or the other Greg?

        • Gregory Eckes

          The Real Greg

          • Centaur Hips

            Please stand up, please stand up

          • RetroRob

            It’s Greg!

        • Havok9120

          Or the other, other Greg?

          It’s Svetlana’s Greg.

    • YakaTanaka

      I like the trade, but they gave up theoretically as much young talent as they got.

      • Mattycakes

        Yeah, I ultimately thought it was a good trade, but I really liked Greene as well.

      • blake

        they gave up apples to get oranges though….in this case it’s easier to find apples.

        • YakaTanaka

          Again, I am fine with the trade. I think it makes a lot of sense. There’s plenty of risk involved, though.

          I just don’t think the justification can be that they have young players to develop now. They had a young player to develop before that they don’t now, as well.

  • Canarsie Yankee

    And I quote from the George King article linked above: “Brian Cashman failed.”

  • RetroRob

    “11:10am: Two unidentified relievers flew to the Winter Meetings in San Diego to meet with Scott Boras about Max Scherzer.”

    Wait, wut? The Yankees sent two relievers? I get it. They sent the 6’8″ Betances and the 6’7″ Miller to work Boras over.

    • Mattycakes

      Yeah, I’ve been scratching my head about that one.

      • Centaur Hips

        he meant owners. Just click on the tweet.

        • RetroRob

          No, no. I like my theory better.

          • Centaur Hips

            Of course. They sent them too.

          • Havok9120

            Me too.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Absolutely.

            Should have kept Aceves for this.

        • Mattycakes

          Aw, that takes all the mystery out of it though.

    • Havok9120

      One has to be John Henry. The other is probably whoever owns the Giants.

      • RetroRob

        If one of them was Hal (which I doubt), then you might as well put him in pinstripes. That would be a very aggressive early move on the part of the Yankees. (BTW I think Scherzer is a fine pitcher, but I’m not sure his fly-ball tendencies will play well in Fenway.)

        • Havok9120

          Yeah, if Hal has decided he wants Scherzer, I don’t think the rest of the league would have much of a chance.

          That said, I don’t think Hal is that bad a poker player.

      • Mattycakes

        Wish the Sox didn’t have that protected pick.

        • Havok9120

          Protected pick or no, their rotation is held together with duct tape and chicken wire. Even worse than ours is.

          Even adding Scherzer wouldn’t be enough to fix that mess.

          • Mattycakes

            Oh I know, I would just love it if they also had to forfeit a pick in order to get Scherzer.

            • RetroRob

              My hope is they just keep making offers, either money wise or player wise, that are just short of what is accepted, and then they are left scrambling.

              • Mattycakes

                Scrambling to overpay for Hamels.

    • Bret The Hitman

      The cavalry.

    • blake

      I love when Boras says that his negotiations are to be with owners only and not GMs…..I wish that all the owners would collectively get together and say screw you scott….that’s not how it works.

      I mean I get that he wants to talk to the guys who write the checks but it plays in his favor because he’s not talking to the people who actually you know….know how to make baseball decisions. He’s hoping he can get an owner to act on emotion.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      ARGH

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Now we know why they got rid of DRob.

      • Chip

        Yeah, he’d be worthless in a brawl

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          He’d distract them with his girly long socks.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Too short and not enough punch. Especially given that Betances was at Grand Street Campus before Bushwick became the hipster target.

  • Centaur Hips

    I don’t see them adding to the pen. I think they see Wilson as that possible high leverage guy. And why not with his velocity? Even Warren and Kelley could be used. Kelley has posted good FIPs so maybe his ERA will regress.

    Aside from the obvious rotation needs they really should add a bat. Doesn’t have to be a major addition just a player to add depth to the lineup (like Headley) that will prevent potentially crappy players from getting too many ABs, something that’s happened way too much the last couple of years.

    • Mattycakes

      Oh wow I forgot they added Wilson. I am kind of excited to see what he can do.

      • Centaur Hips

        I see a lot of potential there. If he can cut down on the walks like Miller and increase strikeouts we could have 2 dominant LHP with Lindgren still developing.

        • Havok9120

          Yeah, I’ll be excited to see what Mr. Rothschild can do with him.

          • Centaur Hips

            Yeah he’s the hardest thrower we have along with Dellin. I think his ceiling could be Chapman lite.

            • Mattycakes

              Averages 95 on the fastball. As a point of reference Dellin averages 96.7 and Miller appx 94. If Wilson gets his control in order, that will be one scary bullpen.

              • Centaur Hips

                Plus Kelley has no problem getting Ks and Warren is good and there’s depth. I don’t see the need to address it.

    • Chip

      You know, Kelley might be the softest thrower in the bullpen next year. Betances, Miller, Wilson, Rogers, and Warren all throw mid to upper 90s. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Jose Ramirez and his fireball out there at some point either

      • Havok9120

        Wow. Hadn’t thought of that.

        That’d sure be fun to watch.

      • Centaur Hips

        Exactly. Look at all the potential options. If they sign another guy they may be blocking the path of guys like Ramirez and Lindgren. I think the pen can be better than last year.

        Let’s say:

        Dellin regresses a bit
        Miller cancels out Drob
        Kelley ERA regresses toward FIP
        Warren repeats last year
        Wilson small upgrade over Thornton
        One of Lindgren/Ramirez/Burawa/etc. step up
        Long man (Phelps? Rogers?)

        I really like that pen. Velocity, Ks and youth.

        • Mattycakes

          Wow won’t they all be under 30 (except Kelley)? If Lindgren is as good as advertised, that will be one excellent (and young cost-controlled!) bullpen .

          • Centaur Hips

            I think Miller is 30 and not sure about Rogers but otherwise yeah.

            • Mattycakes

              Miller is only 29!

              • Centaur Hips

                Well he’ll be 30 during the season.

      • RetroRob

        It really would be great if Ramirez could figure himself out.

  • blake

    @jaysonst: Add the #SFGiants to the list of teams interested in Cole Hamels, sources say. So all 3 teams that lost out on Lester – SF, Bos, LA – are in

    Cause none of them want to pay Max Scherzer

    • Havok9120

      Or, at least, none of them want to be stuck negotiating with Boras when it’s clear Scherzer is the only top option left on the market.

      • blake

        trying to trade with Ruben Amaro vs negotiating with Boras

        • Bret The Hitman

          smh

        • Havok9120

          I know. I wouldn’t wish this on any other team.

        • Mattycakes

          That’s like choosing between a serious case of Athlete’s Foot or an ingrown toenail.

      • RetroRob

        That’s why it would be surprising if the Red Sox and Phillies ever came to a day. The Phillies will ask for too much, the Red Sox will offer too little. Cherington: We have great prospects to trade you, oh, but our top seven prospects aren’t available!

        • Havok9120

          Yeah, I was looking at OTM and their regulars all agreed that Betts, Swinhart, and Boegarts should all be totally off limits. They offered a package equivalent to us giving a team Mateo, Clarkin, Jags, Bird, Cave, and Hensley. And they thought they were erring on the side of giving the Phillies TOO MUCH.

          Madness.

          • RetroRob

            I can understand Boegarts and Betts, who are already MLB players (although not that I agree they should be off the table for discussion), but I’ve seen things written where their defense-first catcher Vazquez is also not available, as is their top catching prospect (who will replace Vazquez eventually) Blake Swihart, as is their next three top prospects. Ok.

        • blake

          I don’t think they will either…..Cherington won’t want to pay the price

    • Chip

      If I was Sabean I would just split the money I offered Lester between Shields and McCarthy and then go with:

      Mad Bum
      Big Game
      Matty Cain
      McCarthy
      Hudson

      • Havok9120

        That’s…yeah. That’s not a bad idea at all.

        • Chip

          Right? I mean if the alternative is to give up what Ruben wants for Hamels that’s probably the way to go…

          • Havok9120

            It’d work for them because they already have the legit ace.

            I don’t think that strategy would quite do it for the Sox, but the Giants? Yeah. I can see it.

      • blake

        Whatever Sabean does it’ll probably turn to gold and the giants will win 3 more titles with about the 10th best team in baseball

        • Jim Is Bored

          Every other year though, so we still have a shot in 2015

          • blake

            True! All in Cash

  • bernbabybern

    4/48 for McCarthy, they may have to do that, and quick.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Lot of years for a guy with injury trouble.

    • Havok9120

      That’s right on the edge for me.

    • Centaur Hips

      Keep it at 3 with an option.

      • craig

        I like that as well. 3/36 or 3/39 and an option for 1 more.

        I really do like McCarthy the player and as a dude…real good guy (it seems).

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Enjoy the rest of the afternoon. Very proud of the RAB contingent keeping the hooligans in line.

    Also, very much liking Sweetspot’s contributions as of late.

    Hope to come back to happy news.

    Make sure to stick it to BGT all day, folks.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Look at you, all adapted to lohud traditions.

      Hi Jorge!

      Bye Jorge!

      • blake

        At least the RAB tradition of immediately complaining about it with the same or more number of posts is alive as well!

        • Jim Is Bored

          I don’t believe that was a complaint.

          • blake

            A thinly disguised rib….followed by a thinly disguised rib back…..just jokin around. I don’t want to mess up y’all’s memory of the utopia that once was RAB ;)

            • Bret The Hitman

              It involved massage oils, incense, new age music and a pocket calculator raffle.

              • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                Jorge , legs and arms crossed, sitting atop perch looking down on the masses who dare to protest?

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  Watch out. I might take a little bird dump on someone’s head from up here.

              • Havok9120

                Come now, we can afford graphing calculators for our raffles.

            • RetroRob

              We still have our utopia in a last resort place we can’t discuss. Call some place paradise and kiss it goodbye.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                You know, Rob….we’ve been meaning to talk to you about that.

                Really have to get back to work. Only a phone call to my staff brought me back here.

                #rovptakeover

              • Havok9120

                Uhm. Well. Now that you mention it….

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            No one drinking beer where you are right now is allowed to complain anyway.

            • Jim Is Bored

              I’m in a training class. Not drinking. Although I wish I were.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        No, peckerhead, I sometimes would say “peace out” after a long day of commenting even before the wooden ship arrived. :)

      • Canarsie Yankee

        May everyone find a candy bar in their stocking tonight.

    • UnKnown

      Send an email…

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Touché.

    • Centaur Hips
      • Centaur Hips

        I’m probably the only person here that knows where that’s from. Great show.

  • Bigdan

    So at the end of the day the Sox still offered $20MM less than the Cubs. And wasn’t SF planning an even bigger offer if they hadn’t been knocked out? I don’t understand. You dissed the guy in the Spring with that ridiculous offer and now you want to make amends so you still don’t top the market? If the Sox weren’t willing to go all out this off season for Lester, why go through this exercise at all? Did you think Lester would forgive AND take less money to sign with you now?

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Well, yeah. The Red Sox do everything right.

    • YakaTanaka

      Like any other team pursuing any other FA, there was likely a cutoff between what they were willing to pay and what they weren’t.

  • dalelama

    I hate seeing us go backwards every year.

    • Jim Is Bored

      No you don’t.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        +1

    • blake

      You’re just mad your sox didn’t get Lestah

      • dalelama

        No I am just a disappointed Yankee who remembers when management wanted to win.

        • edb

          The Yankees future is only as bleak as the next offseasons free agent crop.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Do you really want me to go find your 2009 posts? I will. Or I would if they were archived. You’re lucky no one can prove that you were a negative asshole back then too.

          • dalelama

            No need to let reality drive you to personal attacks. You are what your records says you are. Face it this current squad is mediocre ladened with disastrous contracts to underperformers and the cavalry isn’t coming. Just move thru the stages of denial as quickly as you can. Life is too short to be so venomous.

            • Jim Is Bored

              You’re lucky the RAB comments from 2009 don’t exist.

              You’re response to me was apparently a reply to a different comment because my comment had nothing to do with the future of the Yankees.

              But you’re damn right it was a personal attack. You are an asshole.

              • Too Many Idiots

                “You are what your records says you are.”

                You’re correct, Jim, he’s an asshole and his record backs that up.

              • RetroRob

                I feel the love. : -)

              • dalelama

                You jumped onto my thread so I have no idea what you are mumbling about. Obviously you took exception to my accurate description of this team’s steady continuous decline which I have accurately been forecasting for the last 5 years. It is just sport’s analysis thus it appears you are channeling hostility driven by failures some where else is your life into this venue. That’s cool we are all here to help fellow RAB members.

            • Rick

              Comment From Chris
              Yankees are one Chase Headley signing from being 4th in MLB in projected WAR. That seems way too optimistic even for a NYY fan and with rotation additions presumably incoming.

              Jeff Sullivan: I’ll be happy when we have ZiPS all folded in here too, but I think the take-home message would be, the Yankees don’t actually need all that much help

    • Havok9120

      And yet you’ve celebrated it before.

      We may have had an influx of new blood, but not so much that no one around here remembers your schtick.

  • blake

    How do we feel about Romo? Do we want Romo? I kinda want the untuck back if were goin down that road

    • edb

      For how much and how long?

    • Jim Is Bored

      Romo has a better K/9 and BB/9, seemed to allow an exorbitant amount of HR last year, which is concerning seeing as how SF has a pitchers park.

      They both have positives and negatives. Costs being equal, I thiiiiink I’d lean Romo only because I hate seeing relievers come in and walk people. But I’m like, 55% towards Romo, 45% towards untuck. Either would be a plus.

      • blake

        Yea I don’t really care…..even grili if he’s cheaper …..basically any of them that can eat some innings and save the 3 run leads against Cleveland and give Miller and Betances a break

    • UnKnown

      Can’t win the big game. Always throws a pick late.

      • blake

        That’s certainly true…..

    • YakaTanaka

      I don’t expect either.

    • Centaur Hips

      I think the pen is fine as is. Focus elsehwhere, but come back to it if we address everything else.

  • blake

    If your Boston and Lester was your guy….the guy you wanted and you knew that option B was trading with Amaro or negotiating with Boras or C taking a lesser player(s) then if you didn’t go the extra mile it’s your own fault.

    I hope they get taken to the cleaners in a trade or contract or just settle for a bad rotation

    • Rick

      Seems like the Giants will be all out for Hamels now. I would just pitch Bumgarner every day.

      • YakaTanaka

        Do the Giants have much in their farm?

        • blake

          good question….I really don’t know much about their farm. They have been tied to Upton as well….not sure how strong a postion they are in to trade…..Boston has the players to do a lot of deals if they wanted to.

          • YakaTanaka

            Off the top if my head Susac is their biggest chip. And he could be a pretty big one, I guess, as a cost controlled C with some stick..

        • Rick

          They were considered bottom 3rd by Baseball Prospectus going into last year. Not sure what kind of development they had.

          • Rick

            Idk if there are other players like, or if they would even consider trading someone like, Joe Panik who are ready to contribute now.

          • YakaTanaka

            Off the top if my head Susac is their biggest chip. And he could be a pretty big one, I guess, as a cost controlled C with some stick.

    • edb

      Rather have them spend their chips on a trade and have that guy fall flat on his face.

    • Chip

      I think Boston will wind up doing two trades and landing Cueto and Porcello (if Detroit re-signs Scherzer).

    • YakaTanaka

      I imagine that if they wanted to go the extra mile to sign Lester, they would have. I mean you’re kind of stating the obvious.

      • blake

        well yea ….I guess my point was that they may have been better off just doing what it took to get lester. Of course we have to see what they do…..if they trade for Cueto and don’t give up much and can sign him cheaper or something like that then that changes things.

        • YakaTanaka

          They may have been. My guess is, like most are saying, they should have just extended the man a year ago.

          At the same time, there’s a good chance that in 2, 3, 4 years they are thanking their lucky stars they didn’t go all in. I think they have the assets to add the SP to (likely) contend even if it’s not top shelf.

          Every off-season people opine on the winners and losers, and a few months later the perception of who won and who lost changes radically. (That’s kind of a part of what I was getting at with my belligerent anti-LoHudder rant earlier… Or related somehow. The belief seems to be that the Yankees need all “sure thing” stars to contend, but buying at the top of the market is often a flawed strategy because there’s not much chance to capture value but plenty of risk of losing your shirt. And it’s not just you guys. The MSM spreads that mentality. I just felt like there were no dissenting voices over there so it was an echo chamber.)

    • ScottinSJ

      We have our own serious deficiencies. Not enough offense and only half a rotation are among the most notable. The never-ending comparisons with Boston are kind of silly. There are many better teams that we don’t match up well against right now.

      • blake

        I don’t have to compare the Yankees to the Red Sox to wish misfortune on them…..hex hex hex

      • Jim Is Bored

        Many? Who is this many?

      • Rick

        And yet the Yankees are still one Chase Headley signing away from being 4th in MLB in projected WAR. Man this team really sucks.

        • Centaur Hips

          They’re already projected for the 4th best pitching. Not bad.

          • Jim Is Bored

            That is assuming a lot of health though.

            • Centaur Hips

              Yeah but at the end of the day every team has injury concerns. Some are just bigger concerns than others. I will admit the rotation does look like it has the potential to collapse but there’s not much that can be done about what’s already here.

              • Jim Is Bored

                No, it’s just a reason I don’t take projections at face value.

                • Rick

                  You don’t have to take them at face value. You can view them how you please. But there is at least some neutrality in thought and a process that goes into them, as opposed to just mere conjecture about the current state of the team.

                  • Jim Is Bored

                    Oh for sure. I think you know I’m all for stats, projections, etc. I love information.

                    I love it as a starting point, or even an ending point if you don’t want to explore any further, as opposed to using our flawed memory from watching 100-110 games a season.

                • Centaur Hips

                  I mainly just look at them to get an idea of talent and what type of production we should expect if the player stayed healthy.

                • YakaTanaka

                  They’re not meant to be taken at face value, but rather to give you the mean of a probability distribution. I always wonder why they don’t give more descriptive statistics about the shape of the distribution (at least st dev). Not sure if it’s of little use because the shape is similar for every player/team, if they think it would confuse people, or if they just haven’t bothered.

                  • Jim Is Bored

                    ATTENTION RAB: I LIKE PROJECTIONS. I LIKE STATS. I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

                    THAT IS ALL.

                    • YakaTanaka

                      I responded in a perfectly pleasant and conversational way to a very specific comment…

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      3 people did. That was directed at RAB not you.

        • ScottinSJ

          There’s a wide gap between “sucking” and being mediocre, but I don’t feel great about even being at the high end of that spectrum.

          • Rick

            Mediocre is a projected top 4 team in baseball?

            • ScottinSJ

              Forgive me if I don’t buy into that. But you’re free to adhere to that notion.

  • Jose Canseco

    Am I the only one that thinks signing McCarthy to a 3-4 year deal is a bad idea?

    2007: Stress fracture in his shoulder, missed 31 days.

    2008: Forearm/elbow tightness and inflammation, missed 157 days.

    2009: Stress fracture in his shoulder, missed 88 days.

    2010: Stress fracture in his shoulder, missed 172 days.

    2011: Stress fracture in his shoulder, missed 45 days.

    2012: Shoulder soreness/strain, missed 86 days.

    2013: Shoulder soreness, missed 63 days.

    2014: Healthy….

    Has only made over 30 starts in a season once. And pitch over 170 innings twice…….

    • Centaur Hips
      • Canarsie Yankee

        Worth the price of admission alone.

        "Paper or plastic Mr. Lester?" *sun sets, rises, then sets again* "gimme a sec"— Brandon McCarthy (@BMcCarthy32) December 10, 2014

        • RetroRob

          Lester was just waiting for someone to offer both. The Cubs did.

          • Canarsie Yankee

            With that kind of money, he doesn’t need plastic every again. Unless he really wants to rack up on points.

      • Jim Is Bored

        I LOVE his twitter page.

        • Centaur Hips

          Who doesn’t?

          • Rick

            BigDan

      • Havok9120

        The Lester joke is awesome.

        • RetroRob

          I’ve followed him on Twitter for a couple years. My fear is he’ll sign with the Red Sox. I’ve never followed a Red Sox player.

  • Bret The Hitman

    Legit interest in Romo? What happened to him last year?

    • Jim Is Bored

      IMO it was some bad luck with home runs. But I’m not sure how much bad luck you can attribute when you pitch in AT&T. His k rate, bb rate were still good.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Ok, so he was healthy, just missed his spots?

        • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

          More of a first half issue, but he started showing back to himself in the second half of 2014.

          • Jim Is Bored

            In half the innings, but some of this too.

    • Centaur Hips

      Well he threw 10 picks and had a 64 completion %…

  • NYCORNERSTONE

    Cashman get out of bed yet ,,.

    • Rick

      As long as he has his phone I don’t care where he operates it from.

      • blake

        as long as he isn’t out doing charity work again!

        • Havok9120

          Damn him.

      • NYCORNERSTONE

        Headley said by end of meetings thats tomorrow they may be happy with what they got on the infield

        • Rick

          I’m not following.

        • Havok9120

          The Miller deal was finalized and announced while he was repelling down a building on Friday.

          I’m really not all that concerned.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      What bed? Sleeping bag and a sidewalk is all he needs.

      • NYCORNERSTONE

        talk about cheap

      • Havok9120

        And a sturdy pulley system.

  • blake

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Add #Rangers to list of teams pursuing #DBacks’ Miley.

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    You know what I miss? Chanting “19-18-clap-clap-clapclapclap” at Yankee/Red Sox games. Here’s to Lester’s botched signing leading to another 100 years of sucking.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      20-13 still fits, syllable-wise.

      • RetroRob

        Can’t wait for another 60 years to use that chant. Oh, wait, I’ll be dead. Never mind.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          Then we can still use 1918. It might confuse, then enrage them still.

          • Havok9120

            This is my favorite plan.

        • edb

          You underestimate advances in medical science.

          • RetroRob

            It’s not impossible, but it would take me past 100 by a few years, so I’d be in Mariano Rivera outlier range at that point. I’d also be a miserable fuck at that age, so to spare my friends and family (assuming any are left), I’ll take making it to a relatively healthy 90 or so, and even that…

            • Canarsie Yankee

              So, what you’re saying is you could still be a closer at that time?

              • RetroRob

                My cutter when I’m past 100 will be more deadly than Bugs Bunny’s changeup.

            • edb

              Yeah but they’ll just download you into a robot body and you’ll be fine.

      • Centaur Hips

        The best part is that it has 13 in it, so it can be another curse type of thing.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Can’t use 2013 until we’ve won one more recently, I think.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          I’d try it once to piss off their fans or after another last place finish by the Red Sox, but that is true.

  • yankinvegas

    Forget McCarthy.
    Convince Hal that Scherzer is better than any pitcher who may be available in the next two years, Price etc., and put pressure on Kuroda to make a decision sooner rather than later.
    Sign Rafael Soriano to a 1+1 deal to be the closer and tag team righty lefty pairings to round out the pen. Betances and Miller. Warren and Wilson. Kelley to pickup innings and Phelps as the long man. Bring up Lindgren in June when he clears super two status.
    If Kuroda can’t decide or wants to retire, sign a veteran arm to. Be the 5th starter until Banuelos or Severino is ready in June.
    Sign Headley to a 3 year deal with a vesting option.
    The pitching would be solid, and not that old. We would need production from the older guys like Tex, Beltran and yes, Alex.
    The national media, and the NY media, all say we suck.
    Let’s win and expose them as the biased scumbags that they are.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Don’t put pressure on Kuroda. That seems like a terrible idea. He’ll decide when he wants to decide.

      • RetroRob

        Exactly. Putting pressure on him, if he’s on the edge, might push him in the other direction. It has to be his choice. BTW There is no QO in place, which restricted his market in the past. He might decide to return and go pitch somewhere else. I suppose it is possible that Kuroda told Cashman that if he does come back to MLB, he will only pitch for the Yankees.

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      you know cashman he waits till the last minute meaning march or february

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      They said KC sucks too good pitching beats good hitting every time

  • NYCORNERSTONE

    Ok lets look at it like this if they sign Headley Pirela or the the other rookie 2nd baseman will never get a chance so cut the chase forget Headley use that money towards Max

  • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

    So, Winter Meetings end tomorrow if I remember correctly, how long till we hear about why Ruben Amaro, Jr. was overdoing it? Rumour is he asked for 2 top prospects for Marlon Byrd. Yeah, right.

    • Centaur Hips

      You should have seen the trade someone proposed with Hamels Rollins Utley and Papelbon all in the same deal.

      • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

        10-5 Rights make that obscenely impossible. Hell Howard gets 10-5 in May.

        • Rick

          Depends who the team is they were purportedly getting traded to.

          • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

            Just cannot see Rollins leaving PHI, as much as he is willing. The fanbase loves him to death, he’s going to have his number retired some day obviously. Also, who doesn’t love a farewell tour?

  • Oy

    B.Ryan and Pirela for Dillon Gee. Who says no?

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      Cashman.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      The Mets.

      • Oy

        Just curious, what separates Gee from Phelps/Warren? An innings eater who won’t embarrass you in the back of the rotation. Him and Phelps look identical.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          If a back-ender netted the Yankees Gregorius, why would the Mets accept Ryan plus a lottery ticket? They could find a bit more marginal value out of Gee, I would think.

        • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Nothing. But an innings guy is more useful than a utility infielder and Brendan friggin Ryan.

          • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

            Brendan Ryan is also not an improvement in power over Wilmer Flores. At that point I’d rather take the risk of putting Flores at SS over Ryan.

        • chris hines

          So far Warren and Phelps haven’t proven their ability to get out of the pen and eat innings.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Madoff would laugh at that proposal.

    • Centaur Hips

      Pirela and Ryan are worth very little, and Gee isn’t good. Mets would probably ask for something else though.

      • NYCORNERSTONE

        Pirela is better then you think he need major league at bats

        • chris hines

          He’s a defensive liability anywhere he’s on the field, he doesn’t walk a ton, and he doesn’t seem particularly likely to hit for power or the average it would take to make him a viable option at the major league level. The Pirela love seems to boil down to the fact he can stand at several positions and overreacting 25 PAs in September.

    • Rick

      BJ Ryan was a good man

    • yclept

      Hopefully both teams. What the heck are they going to do with a mediocrity like Gee? And what would the Mets do with Ryan?

  • RetroRob

    That 2:25 update on Headley feels more like the Yankees spreading FUD into the market with the message being that the Yankees have limits and to get him to make a decision.

  • YankeeFan™

    So are we gonna make a move in these winter meetings? At least a reliever sheshh.

    • Rick

      Better to make no move than a bad move.

  • Rick

    “Philadelphia could strike a deal with the Dodgers involving both Cole Hamels and Rollins, MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki suggests in the course of a broader discussion of Hamels’ market. Zolecki says that the Phillies might be able to get one of the Dodgers’ top prospects in a deal, noting that an expanded package — possibly including Rollins — may provide a means of sweetening the pot.

    The best chance of the Phils pulling off a deal this week could involve Rollins going to Los Angeles, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com.”

    • blake

      probably would have to part with Pederson I’d imagine to do that……

      • chris hines

        They’re definitely in win now mode, Kershaw, Grienke, Hamels, Ryu is a really scary playoff rotation.

  • mustang

    “Were the team to strike a multi-year deal with third baseman Chase Headley, it may need to “bottom fish” to add a starter, says Sherman. Alternatively, then, the team could look to rely on Rob Refsnyder and Jose Pirela in the infield while looking to make a more significant addition for the rotation.”

    This statement is dumb they are going to “bottom fish” to add a starter regardless because Max or Shields will put them over their “Budget”.

    So hating Hal right now.

    • blake

      Sherman has been chief budget man the last couple of years……the problem with his reporting is that he doesn’t know what the budget actually is or if Hal will bend on it.

    • Rick

      So far the majority of the information in the MSM has been false. Just look at how Cashman handled the Robertson situation. The Yankees always play things close to their vest.

    • chris hines

      Wouldn’t be the worst outcome if they get Headley, especially at that price. They can always look for arms mid season if they need them.

    • craig

      I think you are getting upset at nothing. This is all posturing. Relax.

      • chris hines

        They’re probably trying to get Headley to take their deal but I don’t think there’s too much on this pitching market to get excited about unless you wanted Lester, Scherzer, or Shields, and for varies reasons it makes sense for the Yankees to stay away from all 3.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Why not hate Joel Sherman instead?

  • TripleShortOfACycle

    What a joke that the Yanks are talking budget with so many issues to fill. There is no reason why they shouldn’t have a payroll well north of 250 million. They basically print money

    • Rick

      Until you’re some type of owner with respect to the team, you don’t really have a say in their budget or what they should be making.

      • TripleShortOfACycle

        Really? So only owners can have an opinion on what type of budget a team should have? Give me a break

        • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

          For one thing, you don’t have the $$$. Hal, Hank, and co. actually deal with the finances from everything from players to janitors. We as fan can make suggestions to what they should do, but we are not the final decision makers.

          • TripleShortOfACycle

            When did I indicate that I am a decision maker? I expressed an opinion just like everyone else does on here

            • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

              I am responding to “So only owners can have an opinion on what type of budget a team should have?” That the finances dictate what their budgets have (Hal, Hank, and co.)

        • Rick

          You’re completely entitled to your opinion. However, as I said, you have no say in what their budget is unless you’re a decision maker with respect to it.

  • mustang

    New wish list:

    Headley

    McCarthy

    Edinson Volquez

    I’m also starting a fundraiser so they can actually “afford” to sign these guys. Those interested please send your donations to fuckyouHal.com

    • Canarsie Yankee

      No thanks to Volquez. I get the feeling that he’ll regress to a below-average starter. Innings eater, sure, which wouldn’t be too bad if there was an offense behind him.

      • yclept

        Volquez sucks. There is no way around it.

    • chris hines

      Honestly if they’re drawing a line at 2 years for McCarthy I applaud them for it. Don’t overpay for historically mediocre and injury prone starters based on a 14 game sample size.

      • mustang

        The sad part is he probably one of the best options with their “budget”.

        • chris hines

          Not at 4/44-48 he isn’t.

          • mustang

            Find better for less

            • chris hines

              That’s not really how this works, you don’t overpay just because it’s the best of a bad group of options. That’s bad business 101. I’d much rather see them grab Headley, dumpster dive for pitching on 1 year deals or MiLB deals, and then look for trade arms come trade deadline if they need it than go that far for McCarthy. He had a great 14 game stretch good for him, I’m not paying him based on that when the rest of his career doesn’t match up to it in production or health.

              • mustang

                By your thinking they will be done by the trade deadline.

                • chris hines

                  That’s completely unknowable and simply frustrated hyperbole to try and prove an unfounded point. If Tanaka and Pineda stay healthy and Nova comes back and is something similar to what he’s been over his career they’d stay in it that long. With Headley back they’d arguably be a better team heading into this season than last, and they already proved they can grab useful pieces midseason pretty easily.

                  • mustang

                    Its as realistic as you thinking that they will stay in the running with a rotation full of heath issues and a few 1 year deals or MiLB deals.
                    Please.
                    Your side is as unfounded as mind.

                    • chris hines

                      I made the caveat that Pineda and Tanaka would have to stay healthy, if those two go down for any significant period of time McCarthy probably isn’t making a difference anyway. At least Headley upgrades the offense and defense in one move, which in turn helps the pitching.

                      End of the day they’ll be walking a tight rope with health no matter what they do, signing McCarthy to a 4 year deal to try and negate that is at best throwing a bucket of water on a raging house fire.

                    • mustang

                      Agree.

      • blake

        yea at 2 years I really like McCarthy….beyond that it gets scary. I’d rather have kuroda back for just 1 year instead either way…..Kuroda is probably more likely to post a good season in 2015 still than McCarthy IMO when you take everything into account.

        • Bigdan

          What I would say to the Yanks is, if your valuation of McCarthy is two years, that’s fine but don’t even ante up because this game is too rich for your blood. The market for McCarthy starts at three years and goes from there. He’s a second tier SP this off season and three years is where that begins.

  • YankeeFan™

    I miss the boss ????????

    • mustang

      I hated the guy sometimes, but yesterday was the first time I truly missed and wished he was back.

    • chris hines

      Nostalgia is the most awesome Vaseline on the camera lense of life

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I love Springsteen as well.

  • Bigdan

    So now it’s news that the Yanks have a budget?

    Way back when all this started, I said the Yanks have three big decisions: Drob, SS and a SP. I said back in September, I don’t think the Yanks have enough room in their budget to deal with more than two of those three. Headley of course doesn’t even factor into this analysis.

    At the end of the day, it’s the budget that rules. The Yanks are already right around $200MM now, depending on how you treat the bonuses of Arod and Young. They are already over last year’s opening day budget.

    So why is this now news?

  • Bigdan

    And if the Yanks are seriously only thinking two years for McCarthy. . . .? I mean why even bother.

  • blake

    @JeffPassan: Source: Arizona close to a Wade Miley trade.

    • Chip

      Just for the heck of it – John Ryan Murphy and Jaron Long get that done?

      • mustang

        Switch John Ryan Murphy to Gary Sanchez and I’m in.

    • Big Game Luis Sojo

      I’m gonna guess it’s the Sox. Think they are looking for young pitching in return.

      • mustang

        Probably the way things have been.

      • mustang

        Although they do need a catcher since they just trade Montero.

      • Chip

        Twitter agrees with you:

        Sean McAdam ?@Sean_McAdam 13m13 minutes ago

        Another team which had interest in Wade Miley has dropped out of negotiations with Arizona, convinced D’backs are close to deal w/ Red Sox.

      • blake

        Miley would be a solid mid rotation guy for them but he doesn’t change the landscape a whole lot….

        • chris hines

          He’s a solid innings eater but I agree Buccholz, Joe Kelly, and Wade Miley doesn’t really scare anyone as the top of your rotation.

      • Chip

        They have Henry Owens who is probably a huge overpay for Miley. Other than that, they don’t have any notable young pitching

        • Big Game Luis Sojo

          Eduardo Rodriguez, Brian Johnson, Matt Barnes, Ranuado, Webster, De la Rosa could interest them

          • Chip

            Ranaudo hasn’t really been all that great in AAA and was terrible in the majors. I would be fairly surprised if they took him as the centerpiece in the trade. I’m sure they’d take De la Rosa but isn’t that just trading an orange for an orange? I feel like Allen Webster is also very similar to them both. Maybe Eduardo Rodriguez, I had forgotten about him. That would be a fair trade but I still don’t understand trading young major league starters for young major league starters.

            • Big Game Luis Sojo

              no, I agree with you there. I just heard they wanted young pitching for Miley. Catching seems to be more of a need for them, perhaps Yanks are a mystery team?

              • Chip

                I might hesitantly give up a catcher for him. I have no idea how to value Sanchez and Murphy though so its very likely that I’m overrating them

                • chris hines

                  I’d do Murphy but I think you’ll be able to package Sanchez for more upside than that, people tend to forget that Sanchez just turned 22 the 2nd of this month.

  • Chip

    A couple of things (if anyone is still reading this thread) Arizona is close to trading Wade Miley…I would say Yankees could be in play here but I have to assume that the Yankees can make trades with teams other than Arizona.

    Rule 5 Draft is tomorrow – few interesting prospects for the pen per MiLB.com:

    Cody Martin, right-handed pitcher, Braves: The 25-year-old right-hander enjoyed a successful season at Triple-A Gwinnett, where he posted a 3.52 ERA with 142 strikeouts and 56 walks over 156 innings. In 40 career appearances (225 2/3 innings) at the Minors’ highest level, he has a 3.51 ERA, 8.3 K/9 and 3.5 BB/9. Those numbers won’t knock you out of your chair, maybe, but they are certainly respectable and normally would point to 40-man protection.Martin’s profile goes beyond the numbers, though, as his scouting grades don’t exactly point to a dominant Major Leaguer. Only Martin’s cutter was given an above-average grade (60), with his fastball, curve and changeup all coming out at 55 or lower. Still, his fastball and cutter could play up as a reliever, which he was during his time at Gonzaga University before the Braves transitioned him to a starter’s role in 2012.

    Edgar De La Rosa, right-handed pitcher, Tigers: A team that might be looking at De La Rosa may be hoping to get a Dellin Betances starter kit, only to speed up the process of construction a little bit. Like Betances, De La Rosa stands 6-foot-8 and, according to Baseball America’s J.J. Cooper, he can touch 100 mph with his fastball. Put together, both of those things should grab any team’s attention. The native of the Dominican Republic’s numbers (3.30 ERA, 91 strikeouts, 53 walks in 139 innings) don’t quite look like he’d be a prime candidate to slide into the Majors, especially considering they came at the Class A Advanced level. But if the scouting is correct, De La Rosa might just have the stuff to become a powerful reliever right away — if clubs are willing to gamble.

  • Bigdan

    Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS · 56m 56 minutes ago

    redsox $135M lester bid was reasonable & gave them chance if he was up for hometown discount. the $70M bid was the iffy one

    ________

    No I disagree. $135MM wasn’t reasonable at all. As I said before, it you want to make amends for a prior insult, you can’t expect the player to give you a hometown discount. Moreover, after you traded that player, you are no longer the hometown!

    • chris hines

      You really should change your name to “Asi’vesaidbefore”.

      • Bigdan

        kills you doesn’t it.

        • chris hines

          Not at all this really isn’t important enough to drive me to those kinds of emotions, especially random poster X. I just giggle a little every time I see your posts start with that sentence.

          • Bigdan

            “I was always the crazy one. . .”

  • Bret The Hitman

    Here are some of the ways the Yankees are feeling it this offseason due to being bent over by Arod, CC and Tex:

    2 years for McCarthy (won’t get it done)
    No offer for DRob (despite needing to focus on run prevention)
    Zero activity on Matt Kemp or Justin Upton (although this may be due to lack of prospects)
    No offer for Lester when they have huge injury risks in the rotation
    If Headley then bottom feeding for pitching when they have huge injury risks in the rotation
    Acquired a cheap SS with questions about his bat with an already weak offense
    If no Headley then will go with rookies in an already weak offense

    I mean, I like the DiDi trade plus I hope to keep our own draft pick plus it’s nice to get a compensation pick for the reliever downgrade but it’s obvious this team is really saddled by these albatross contracts.

    We’re really counting on existing problems to solve themselves. We really need a middle order bat and a top starter. We are one or 2 injuries away from easily falling out of it and missing the PS the 3rd season in a row. I guess they have no choice but to risk that given those albatross contracts.

    • Chip

      Miller actually projects to be better than Robertson next year so I’m not sure why you’re talking about this dramatic downgrade in the bullpen. They saved ten million bucks and picked up a draft pick and really didn’t make a giant change in talent level.

      Also, I think you’re freaking out a little too much about reports. For all you know, all of this budget talk is just a smoke screen for them to jump in at the last second and sign Scherzer

      And why o why are we continuing to cry about A-Rod, CC and Tex? Those three basically won the 2009 WS by themselves. It feels like CC pitched every other game that postseason and A-Rod hit like 20 walk off homers

      • Bret The Hitman

        I never called it dramatic. I stopped there and will not read the rest of your post.

      • TripleShortOfACycle

        Tex had a great year but he had very little to do with them winning once they got into the playoffs. Especially compared to Arod and CC

  • mustang

    Another team which had interest in Wade Miley has dropped out of negotiations with Arizona, convinced D’backs are close to deal w/ Red Sox.

    Whatever! why doesn’t Cashman just fly back today and save one night hotel for the “budget”

    • chris hines

      Are we really upset the team isn’t trying to trade for Wade Miley? The same Wade Miley who’s posted back to back 3.98 FIPs in the NL?

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Apparently, we are supposed to be upset that other teams still have players. Some may even be MLB ready.

        • mustang

          No your suppose to be upset that 1.85 Billion organization is acting like they public assistance.

          • Chip

            I doubt Miley is a money issue. They probably don’t want to pay decent prospects for a guy whose peripherals are mostly going the wrong way and doesn’t project to be a top of the rotation guy

          • Canarsie Yankee

            They’re not, except for the sweetheart deals they struck with the city regarding YSIII and those parking lots, which damn near all teams are able to get these days. That’s another matter.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Mustang…

            • mustang

              I’m trying still not over Lester.
              I’m going to the gym and see if that helps.

          • Bret The Hitman

            That’s what Goldman Sachs does.

      • mustang

        Damn dude who do you like as a SP?

        Because your idea of a “few 1 year deals or MiLB deals” usually doesn’t work out to well.

        • chris hines

          It’s not about like it’s about cost vs performance. I like a lot of guys I wouldn’t give 4 years and 48 million to, McCarthy’s a great guy who can be a pretty decent pitcher but he’s not worth that kind of commitment at his age with his track record. Miley’s a 28 year old, cost controlled innings eater, there’s value in that but I don’t think you want him as anything more than a 4th starter going into the playoffs. If the package makes sense I’d do the deal but I’m not getting into a bidding war for him or damning Hal and Cashman to hell because they decided to not seriously engage if they didn’t like the starting price.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Miley makes for a decent mid-rotation starter. There are other pitchers who easily meet that criteria as well. There are enough of them to go around for both the Yankees and Red Sox.

          Mustang, exhale a bit.

  • blake

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Phillies in active discussions with #Dodgers on Rollins. @JonHeymanCBS reported that Rollins would waive no-trade for LAD.

    • Chip

      Makes total sense for everybody involved. I’m just really curious to see what they get back

  • blake

    I was kinda interested in Miley for a mid roation guy and that’s what he will be for Boston…..he’s a 103 ERA+ pitcher….who just posted an 86 era+ last year…..and he’s going to Fenway….so he plugs a whole in the middle but Clay Bucholtz is still their opening day starter and until that changes…..

    • Chip

      And his homer rate and walk rates are going the wrong direction. Dude might get killed as a lefty in Fenway

      • chris hines

        Especially his HR/FB ratio the last two seasons. There’s value in a cost controlled 4 ERA pitcher throwing 200 innings but I wouldn’t trade for him expecting him to be too much more than that right now.

      • blake

        he might really…he’s still a controllable innings eater type so if they didn’t give up a lot it’s a decent move…..but they need a lot more yet in that rotation.

    • TripleShortOfACycle

      If they can’t trade for Hamels I see them trading for either Cueto or Latos
      I see them also signing Shields

      So

      1.HamelsCuetoLatos
      2. Shields
      3. Miley
      4. Bucholtz
      5. ?

      • Chip

        So they’re going to spent 200 million bucks plus high end prospects to get a fairly middling rotation? That’s pretty sad

        • Rick

          Lol completely agree

        • TripleShortOfACycle

          Any rotation headed by Hamels and Shields is anything but middling. The key will be Bucholtz

          • Chip

            If I’m going to spend all that money as well as give up big time prospects, I’d want a much scarier twosome than Hamels and Shields. Both guys have been more consistently very good rather than outstanding their entire careers.

            I’m really not very high on Bucholtz. I think he started to get really overrated when he rode a tiny BABIP and homer rate in 2013 to great numbers before he got hurt. Surely, much of that would have regressed and in 2014 he was just merely decent. I don’t think being just good while not being able to stay on the field is a very appealing combination

            • TripleShortOfACycle

              They won a world series with Lester and Lackey as their 1/2

              • Chip

                Jon Lester is a better pitcher than either of those two and Lackey has been nearly as good as James Shields outside of 2011 and 2008 when he was injured.

                • TripleShortOfACycle

                  Hamels last 4 years are better then Lesters

                  • Chip

                    Eh, that’s picking pretty selective endpoints. I could argue that Lester has been much better over the past 7 seasons too. The reality is, Lester was pretty close to but a bit better in 2013 and was clearly superior in 2014. I also just realized that they’re almost exactly the same age. Born 10 days apart

                    • Centaur Hips

                      Lester faces tougher competition too.

  • blake

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Marlins, #Rangers out on Miley. Process of elimination points to #RedSox unless another team is involved.

  • blake

    it would be really funny if Cashman swooped in and got Miley after SoxNation is probably already saying he’s just as good as lester and all that.

    • Rick

      Ehh Miley is a good get for them, but let’s see the package. As you said earlier, he doesn’t shift the balance all that much. When Miley is your #1, you’re in trouble

      • blake

        he’d be a good #4 for us though…..we have a 1 and a 2

        • chris hines

          A healthy Tanaka, Pineda, Kuroda, Miley, Sabathia wouldn’t be the worst rotation in the world I just don’t know what they’d be asking for. Once you get 3 or 4 teams bidding on a cost controlled young player like that the asking price can get a little out of hand.

      • TB

        Miley will be a 3 or a 4 in the American league and Fenway wont be kind to him either – I think he is probably around a 4 era pitcher in the AL East

    • mustang

      Not going to happen

    • Bret The Hitman

      The only time you will see Cashman swoop these days is when he’s holding his pooper scooper.

    • TB

      I don’t want Miley – I think he will get knocked around in the American league – especially at fenway park. I say let the red sox trade prospects for him

      • Chip

        Totally agree, please let them give up the next Jeff Bagwell to get Miley

    • Too Many Idiots

      I literally just read a tweet from a Sox fan attempting to show Miley was better than Lester.

  • TB

    Miley is pretty good but I would be skeptical of him pitching in the AL East and in Fenway park if this happens

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    I come back here, and everyone wants to trade for her?

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Melky and IPK for Miley, but rip her vocal cords out first.

    • chris hines

      Our twerk to tongue showing ratio would go WAY up!

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        The over-80 crowd on here would just pass out.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Apparently, in the Winter Meetings, just about anyone can be the hot piece of the moment.

    • Centaur Hips

      Get the freaking holy water!

    • http://markfrancobaseball.blogspot.com/ Mark Franco

      That’s a LOT of makeup.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Staving off the sure death that comes the moment one turns 30.

  • YankeeFan™

    It feels like the Yankees are not at the winter meetings, I honestly thought we would see moves by now. Cashman said he has a plan so let’s see those plans already.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      There’s life after this convention, too.

  • YankeeFan™

    Well Boston getting a lil better with Miley.

    • chris hines

      3:46pm: The Red Sox are actually not involved at all in discussions on Miley, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports on Twitter.

  • Chip

    Lol, only in the winter meetings do we see that the Red Sox are just about to trade for Miley and six minutes later to have a report that they aren’t even talking about trading for Miley

  • Canarsie Yankee

    Proof that I should stop not start reading minute-by-minute reports on Trade Rumors:

    “3:46pm: The Red Sox are actually not involved at all in discussions on Miley, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports on Twitter.

    3:40pm: The Red Sox are indeed nearing a deal to acquire Miley, Jon Morosi of FOX Sports reports on Twitter.”

    • dkidd

      was literally about to paste the same block of text
      classic mlbtr

      • Centaur Hips

        Same.

  • blake

    that’s about as opposite as two reports can’t be 6 minutes apart.

  • YankeeFan™

    So now Miley not going to Boston these sources are awful.

    • chris hines

      Sauces… Sauces… get it right!

      • YankeeFan™

        Lmaoo

  • Chip

    Proof that we should not assume that the Yankees are or aren’t going to do something based on “reports”

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I can’t believe people who look like grown adults still don’t get that.

      • chris hines

        My parents taught me to believe everything Joel Sherman ever said, not sure what kind of heathen your parents raised.

      • blake

        I just look like smoked turkey right now

    • dave_8

      But we need to talk about them. It’s part of the process.

  • Kenthadley

    These meetings are 30 GM’s and their staffs getting a nice trip to California and their steak n’ whiskey dinners on the company….other than that, it could be January 10 for all the baseball action taking place. If not for the rumors, it would be a non-event.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Steak and whiskey. Capital idea!

      • Kenthadley

        That’s what we used to call “business trips” that had little impact or results.

  • Terry Noack

    If the Yankees do sign Headley then they garbage bin shop for starters. If they don’t sign Headley, then Prado takes over 3rd. Does this not decrease his value on the club? Losing his versatility and being able to give others time at DH? Tough spot for the Yanks!

    • Chip

      Signing Headley doesn’t affect Prado that much. The difference is that you’re replacing Refsnyder and/or Pirela with Headley. Even if Refsnyder has a fairly good season, you’re probably talking about a 3ish win swing plus you still have Refsnyder and Pirela to either come off the bench or provide depth at AAA

      • chris hines

        In theory signing Headley to play third allows you to call up Refsnyder and move Prado to the OF if one of those guys goes down instead of being stuck with Chris Young. I’m not sure how much consideration that should get but it’s possible.

        • Chip

          Absolutely, they increase their depth at 3 or 4 positions just because of Prado’s versatility if they can sign Headley.

        • blake

          Correct…..you still let refs have his shot in ST and if he wins a job then stick Prado in Rf and move Beltran to DH

          • Chip

            Where does A-Rod play? They won’t cut him that early and won’t bench him until they have to

            • blake

              Bench until tex gets hurt then 1b until he gets hurt

              • Chip

                You can’t really believe that they’ll start the season with A-Rod on the bench can you? I’d bet you all of the moneys that he’s the starting DH if they sign Headley and he’s healthy

                • blake

                  What do they owe Arod? Besides a ton of money and probably a kick in the nuts

          • chris hines

            I think you are best off letting Refsnyder start the year in AAA, as of last year he couldn’t even handle 2B duties at the major league level. He needs to continue working on that in an environment where every error won’t be picked apart as a failure.

  • Centaur Hips

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/looking-for-the-real-chase-headley/

    So you’re telling me Headley’s improvement at the end of the year might be legit?

    Get it done Cash.

  • SweetSpot

    Hal is indeed serious about sticking to his budget, whatever it is.

    • Chip

      “I’m telling you Brian, we CAN NOT go over $300 million. That’s just absurd!”

    • chris hines

      Narrator: Oh! But he was a tight-fisted hand at the grindstone, Steinbrenner! a squeezing, wrenching, grasping, scraping, clutching, covetous, old sinner!

      Yankee fan: Merry winter Meetings Mr. Steinbrenner

      Hal: Merry Winter Meetings! What right have you to be merry? What reason have you to be merry? You’re poor enough. If I could work my will,” said Steinbrenner indignantly, “Every idiot who goes about with ‘Merry Winter Meeting’s on his lips, should be boiled with his own pudding, and buried with a stake of holly through his heart. He should!

      Yankee fan: At this festive season of the year, Mr Steinbrenner, … it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the players and the fans, who suffer greatly at the present time.

      Hal: Are there no Blue Jays openings? And the NL workhouses.” demanded Steinbrenner. “Are they still in operation

      Yankee fan: Both very busy, sir…Those who are badly off must go there. Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.

      Hal: If they would rather die,” said Steinbrenner, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus free agent population.

  • blake

    @JSalisburyCSN: Industry source says Rollins to Dodgers is done deal.

    • Centaur Hips

      Totally didn’t see that coming. Amaro actually just made a trade. Unbelievable.

  • blake

    @JonHeymanCBS: romo eyed by yanks, red sox & dodgers, as @jcrasnick said. in ny he’d be righty complement to miller, setting up betances

    • Dan A.

      I found that tweet very interesting. I guess at least some in the org view Betances as the next closer.

      • blake

        I think that’s probably a done deal…..not how Id do it per se but I expect dellin to close next year

        • Dan A.

          After so many years of Mo, I love the idea of the closer job going to Betances. I have little doubt Girardi would bring him in in the 8th inning when the occasion called for it.

          • Chip

            I have many doubts that he would. He doesn’t want to throw Betances out there for two innings, he wants to be able to use him the next night. I’d rather they named Miller the closer and continued to let Betances dominate innings 7 and 8

            • Dan A.

              Really? I’m pretty sure Girardi used him on no days rest after throwing multiple innings this year.

        • CashmanNinja

          I think Dellin will close, but I also have a feeling that they could use a closer by committee based on the situation. Either way I want them to get Romo because he was great just a few years ago and I feel he’d be a terrific overall fit.

          • chris hines

            I’d be more interested in Soriano if they’re both signing similar 1 year deals, he’s worked with us before and I have more faith in his ability in 2014.

          • bernbabybern

            No, Girardi already said assigned roles.

    • Centaur Hips

      At that point we would have so many good relievers I don’t even think it would matter that much.

  • SweetSpot

    Message to all sports shows with groups engaging in inane banter around a desk trying to be funny while involving staff in their juvenile high jinks. You are piss poor Howard Stern imitators. Fa fa flunkies, give it up.

    • http://markfrancobaseball.blogspot.com/ Mark Franco

      huh?

      • SweetSpot

        That’s ok, you don’t know Stern.

    • Game 3

      They’re actually copying Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn. All the sports and news stations are.

      • SweetSpot

        Not a chance. Quinn wasn’t even on the air for two years; he was copying Stern.

  • Bret The Hitman

  • Terry Noack

    Gotta remember that Moncada is still going to be available at some point. He’s a gamble i’d take if i’m the Yankees!

  • Austinmac

    Sherman says if the Yankees sign Headley, the budget will only allow for them to “bottom feed” for a starter. Thanks for that bit of joy.

    • Chip

      The Red Sox are also simultaneously trading for and not trading for Wade Miley. Let’s wait to see what happens before we start judging

    • Centaur Hips

      I highly doubt they’ll bottom feed after trading Shane Greene, having many injury concerns, and an offense that was pretty bad last year. But Sherman said so which means everyone has to listen to him.

    • YakaTanaka

      Could be true or Sherman could be misinformed or it could be another “We will not sign a free agent that costs our pick” ownership overrule or a “Bubba Crosby is out CF” type of misdirection.

      I find it amazing that people can watxh multiple off-seasons and still hang on every rumor as if it were an indisputable fact.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Austinmac doesn’t seem to be hanging on every rumor as if it were an indisputable fact, merely he seems to be suggesting if that rumor is true it’s truly pathetic. It’s weird that you ignore the premise here that response to rumors is based on the possibility they are true. Statements like this one cause concern which is a rational reaction to something that could be true.

        • YakaTanaka

          If they’re equally likely to be true or false, there’s nothing rational about reacting to the possibility it’s true while ignoring the possibility it’s false.

          You extreme reaction to every rumor really make the thread a bore.

    • Dan A.

      Personally, I’d way rather have the SP than Headley. The team has a ton of holes, Headley would help the offense, but, given the price, I’d rather roll the dice with Ref/Pirela.

      • chris hines

        What starter are you signing instead? If there was a starter worth the money at a similar price I’d say go for it but I don’t see that player available.

        • Dan A.

          I guess McCarthy or Hirok. The Yankees seem to be very AAV conscious. Each of them should be comparable AAV to Headley, but on shorter deals.

          • chris hines

            McCarthy doesn’t seem likely to end up on a shorter deal unless you think Headley is going to 5 years, which I don’t think the Yankees would do. If anything the two are in for very similar contract, which to me makes it a no brainer to go with Headley in that scenario.

            I’m not so sure they wouldn’t be willing to sign Headley and Kuroda, I obviously have no inside information on it but there preference seems to be to avoid long term deals and Hiroki is a 1 year pact. If you wanted to sign Hiroki to a 1 year deal and go with the kids at 2B I wouldn’t hate that idea, though I don’t think you’ve done much upgrading. If you are opting for McCarthy over Headley on what should come in at the same years with similar AAVs I’d think you are betting on the wrong horse over those 4 years to be healthy and productive. I mean obviously both come with risks but if you told me right now one would for sure fall short of the value I’d bet all my money on it being the injury prone mediocre pitcher.

  • Bret The Hitman

  • blake

    Amaro probably traded Rollins for Andre Ethier

  • Bret The Hitman

    • Dan A.

      It also involves Kemp going to NYY, obviously.

    • Chip

      I assume that Dee Gordon is probably involved somewhere as he’s been rumored as on his way out all day

  • SweetSpot

    Dodgers get Rollins.

    • http://markfrancobaseball.blogspot.com/ Mark Franco

      Guess RAJ is dismantling the juggernaut.

  • blake

    @ChrisCotillo: #DBacks GM Dave Stewart on rumors that #RedSox are close to Miley deal: “We are not talking to Boston.”

    Moronsi failed

    • Centaur Hips

      He would totally admit it if he was… no chance he’s lying.

      Just wait it out.

      • Centaur Hips

        Seems like the talks were false. More confirmations.

  • captainmike

    Romo: Drafted by the San Francisco Giants in the 28th round of the 2005 amateur draft. Player signed June 9, 2005.

  • Rick Myles

    What’s that? Yanks interested in Tony Romo?

    • captainmike

      sergio

  • mustang

    Going to the gym so I can get this “I want slap the shit out of Hal” feeling out of me.
    hopefully there will be some good news when I get back.

    • dave_8

      I’m starting to get the feeling that you have issues with Hal. Am I correct?

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      beat up the dummy in the gym or heavy bag works for me

  • thunderdan162

    at this point I’m praying that every report of hal not wanting to spend more money is posturing…..

    • Bret The Hitman

      You and me both.

  • YankeeFan™

    I wonder if Utley Next I wouldn’t mind seen him in this lineup.

    • Dan A.

      I really don’t think PHI will trade Utley. He’s their Derek Jeter, essentially. At the least it’s unlikely they and another team would be on the same page on how to value him.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        And yet, Rollins looks ready to go. Franchise hits leader, etc.

        • chris hines

          He’s less the face of the Phillies for me than Utley.

  • ScottinSJ

    Over 900 comments and nary a player acquired. At this rate, our activity alone should be able to will the Yankees a legitimate starter.

    • http://markfrancobaseball.blogspot.com/ Mark Franco

      This will demonstrate to CashnCrew that we DEMAND action! A fan base this active, can not be placated by the Martin Prados and Justin Wilsons of the world.

      • ScottinSJ

        Could be. On the other hand, it could signify that our lives are small and empty. Nah, it’s the former.

        • http://markfrancobaseball.blogspot.com/ Mark Franco

          Definitely! My life is big and important. Or something.

        • Austinmac

          When I find myself looking up Jason Grilli’s strike out rate, I grow concerned.

  • captainmike

    why don’t we bring back Joba and Phil Coke

    • ScottinSJ

      Because we want to win?

  • Bret The Hitman

    • Bret The Hitman

      Our old friend, looks like he trimmed down.

      • Captain Obvious

        Big time. Must be all the TV appearances and seeing the ladies coming his way.

    • http://markfrancobaseball.blogspot.com/ Mark Franco

      HamelsAction figure sold separately.

    • Captain Obvious

      Pete has lost a ton of weight. Good for him.

  • Bret The Hitman

    • ScottinSJ

      At least the Girl Scouts in his neighborhood will be happy. Lots of Thin Mints boxes to be sold.

    • HoopDreams

      Can DRob even grow facial hair?

    • Captain Obvious

      Wow, so $1M more for Drob in 2014. This Yankee FO really sucks. No problem giving that money to the likes of Ellsbury, McCann, Beltran, Miller, Robertson, and Soriano, but a homegrown All-Star is a stretch.

  • Centaur Hips

    Fangraphs has the projected standings up. Pretty cool.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings

    • chris hines

      How can they project standings with this many free agents still on the board?

      • Centaur Hips

        Because the majority of teams are already in place?

        • chris hines

          In a sense of having a 40 man roster yeah but you still have two of the three biggest free agent pitchers left on the market and the Red Sox haven’t even begun to fill out their rotation. It just makes no sense to me to start doing projections this early, at least wait until Spring Training or pitchers and catchers reporting.

          • Centaur Hips

            It gives a sense of the impact of each move though and can be adjusted.

            • Canarsie Yankee

              It also looks like it’s going by pythag, so in essence, right now, they’re saying the Yankees are projected to be slightly better. For whatever that’s worth.

              • Centaur Hips

                It’s based off of baseruns, which basically takes stats (in this case the player projections) and turns them into how many runs should have been scored ignoring order of events and things like that which influences pythag.

                • Centaur Hips

                  For example if you click on the baseruns tab next to standings in the link you see every teams pythag record for 2014 which is based on many runs they scored/allowed and then the baseruns record which is record based on how many runs they should have scored/allowed based on their numbers.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Positive run differential. Heathens.

    • Captain Obvious

      No way this current lineup averages 4 runs a game.

  • Bigdan

    If the Yanks are talking just two years for McCarthy, he is no longer a serious target. So there’s Kuroda and who else then? I don’t see the Yanks making a trade. I suppose John Ryan could be traded but I’m not sure what he’d bring back.

    Gong to need a hot spring for Manny and/or Severino.

    • Dan A.

      Kuroda is looking way more appealing today than he did a week ago. You just can’t argue with a durable SP on a 1 year commitment.

      • Bigdan

        I’d love to have him back but is he even available? I’m confident if he is, he’s choosing the Yanks. He loves NY. Yanks love him. But what if he doesn’t? I’m not even getting to the issue of the Yanks needing two starting pitchers.

        Point being, the Yanks may have no choice other than to bottom feed

        • chris hines

          They need 1 starter they want 2.

    • blake

      Arod can pitch

      • Bigdan

        Cito Culver. That’s the ticket!

    • Jill McNeish Poock

      I am really disappointed so far in the Yankees. They won’t pay to get Headley and they don’t seem eager to sign McCarthy. Are they going to scrape the waiver wire again this year. Come on Hal.

      • Captain Obvious

        Never thought I’d see the day where the Yankees valued a draft pick and a few dollars more than a homegrown star.

  • blake

    @Joelsherman1: Can confirm Rollins to #Dodgers #Phlllies believed to get 2 young Ps back

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Josh Beckett and Charlie Hough if I play out the RAJ is a moron bit.

  • Bret The Hitman

  • HoopDreams

    Is Papelblow going anywhere?

    • http://markfrancobaseball.blogspot.com/ Mark Franco

      IneffectiveLand?

      • chris hines

        I had no idea a 2.04 ERA/2.53 FIP in 66 innings was ineffective.

        • http://markfrancobaseball.blogspot.com/ Mark Franco

          Was. Question put before the counsel of the wise elders was if he is GOING anywhere, my fellow wise man.

          • chris hines

            The team won’t be any good but I haven’t seen anything to suggest he’ll be ineffective next year which was the answer to the question you gave. That’s not the same as saying he isn’t going anywhere.

    • blake

      Hopefully wherever Youk went

    • Captain Obvious

      There’s a place for him on this Yankees team.

  • Bret The Hitman

    The Braves continue to listen with an open mind about trading Justin Upton and Evan Gattis. They are valuing pitching and second base and talking to the Giants, Royals, Padres and Rangers on both, and the Mariners just on Upton.

    -Joel Sherman

    • Captain Obvious

      Only guy that makes the Yanks a true contender in my mind.

  • Terry Noack

    A supposed Yankee fan on WEEI in Boston talking about Sox prospect Henry Owens and saying he’s awesome and that the Yankees farm system completely sucks…This is one fan I don’t want to know!!!!

    • TripleShortOfACycle

      Let me know when the next Yankee starter or position player from the minors makes it

    • Pete22

      Yankee fans who live too long in the Boston area get corrupted

  • http://markfrancobaseball.blogspot.com/ Mark Franco

    Gary Sheffield is listed as a player agency here: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/agencydatabase

    Soooo, I guess he’s doing that now.

    • blake

      Been doing that for awhile

  • Bigdan

    Last spring training, I was conversing with some guy over at Lohud who knew a lot about Shane Greene’s background and had seen him pitch quite a bit. We both were remarking about how good Greene’s stuff looked in ST. I remember him telling me in March that he’d take Greene over any the Sox’s highly touted pitching prospects. I thought that was a pretty bold statement. At the time.

    • YakaTanaka

      But now that the Yankees traded him he’s the next Roger Clemens, right?

      • Pete22

        According to some on this board last August he was Roger Clemens. Then he gets traded and those some folks say no big deal, he was not that good. LOL

        • YakaTanaka

          Being thankful that he gave them a huge boost is not the same thing as thinking he is an elite SP going forward.

  • blake

    @ScottMillerBbl: Boras: “I think Max is kind of a Peyton Manning, No. 1 kind of guy.”

    Oh Scott

    • captainmike

      I hate scott Boras
      if he fell down a flight of stairs and broke 17 bones I would not feel too sorry for him

      • SweetSpot

        Why? He’s a great agent, He is doing his job and that is to make the most money for his clients.

      • Farewell Mo and Jeet

        Don’t hate Boras, hate the owners for having no self control giving out these ridiculous long term guaranteed money contracts that they know the player has no chance of living up to.

      • YakaTanaka

        Generally speaking, if the ayers are making less money then the owners are making more money. I’d rather see the money in the players’ pockets.

      • Pete22

        You hate to see players get paid?

    • captainmike

      I bet he would have said that about verlander before Justin’s collapse as a quality pitcher

      $28 million next year and on and on

      ouch

    • Bigdan

      Somebody posted somewhere today that Lester has $155MM in guaranteed money and Aaron Rogers has $50MM. Boras would starve if he represented football players.

  • captainmike

    the nationals have pitching to spare:

    As executives from other teams continue to wonder if the Nationals will
    move a significant starter such as Jordan Zimmermann or Doug Fister,
    they have let teams know a trio of relievers — Tyler Clippard and
    lefties Jerry Blevins and Ross Detwiler — are available.

  • blake

    @BillShaikin: Boras says there is “widespread” interest in Barry Zito.

    What to play guitar at weddings?

    • CashmanNinja

      Zito’s fastball is almost as slow as his change up at this point…the only “widespread” interest in him should come on a minor league deal and nothing more.

  • Hankflorida

    If as Mike says, Scherzer is not on the Yankee radar, the pitching staff is Tanaka, Pineda, CC, Phelps with Nova in June and maybe McCarthy. This pitching staff would be fine if A-Rod, Tex and Beltran hit like they did a few years ago, and if anyone believes that, I have a bridge to sell them in Brooklyn.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      The Kosciuszko. It’s all theirs.

    • Bigdan

      I’m not sure that rotation would be fine with the ’61 Yankees as a lineup. All five of those pitchers spent significant time on the DL last year for pitching-related injuries

      • YakaTanaka

        Luckily it’s not the 2014 season anymore.

      • SweetSpot

        They may be fine. It’s just the unknown that makes people nervous.

      • Hankflorida

        If we assume that these pitchers are brittle and will cause problems, then Cashman has the smarts not to go after Scherzer as one or two dependable pitchers will not make a difference. I cannot think this way and have to assume that these pitchers will last the season, and with Scherzer and the mediocre offense, the Yanks make the 2nd Wildcard.

    • Pete22

      No Hank, that pitching staff is not fine. Every single one of those pitchers is likely to be on the DL this season, or worse, pitch ineffectively because they are hurt or not fully recovered. Even McCarthy with his track record.

      I could see A-Rod Tex and Beltran all being around the 750 OPS range if all went well. That’s well above average although well shot of what they did a few years ago. Its not going to be a middle of the lineup that strikes fear in pitchers hearts, they hope is the balance 1-9 can wear down pitchers. That’s best case scenario, its also possible A-Rod, Tex and Beltran break down or just turn into 3
      A Soriano’s and totally collapse, Lets hope not.

      • Hankflorida

        Would you still gamble with Scherzer and McCarthy given your scenario for both the pitching and offense as a chance of getting to the playoffs?

        • Dude

          Yes

  • Bret The Hitman

    • YankeeFan™

      what did he do ? im a lil lost here

      • Rick

        They don’t like the way he puts on his makeup.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        He must have thrown ice cream sandwiches at Montero.

    • Captain Obvious

      How about another catcher for pitcher swap? I’d trade Dirty Sanchez for Walker in a heartbeat.

    • Captain Obvious

      Honestly if I’m him, I’m probably annoyed I didn’t get a full season in MLB. He is good enough. Going to the AFL must have been a huge let down.

  • blake

    @keithlaw: Couple of execs told me that they think the Mariners have soured on Taijuan Walker’s makeup, in part due to his behavior in the AFL.

    • Bret The Hitman

      beat u

      • blake

        I want a recount

  • Rick

    I’m very interested to see the package the Phillies are getting back from the Dodgers. Two young pitchers. I get Rollins and Didi are vastly different on many levels, but this return will be interesting.

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      IT WILL MAKE GREENE LOOK LIKE HE WAS STOLEN

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Yes! New thing to be outraged about!

        • NYCORNERSTONE

          Lol awesome

  • NYCORNERSTONE

    Yankees and Dodgers never deal with each other

  • mrmoss

    Stephen Drew hell no…He brought back memories of Tony Womack

  • bernbabybern

    So according to Sherman we get one more medium salary player and then Cashman has to go dumpster diving. I would not be surprised if that’s true.

    • Captain Obvious

      Ugh, like we’re the Pirates. What a joke.

    • Jill McNeish Poock

      If this is true I am sorry but Hal is a joke. If they want people to dish out big bucks to go to a game they have to put a good product on the field. I expected them to be active this week and so far they have been a bust.

  • blake

    @ChrisCotillo: Per @MartinoNYDN, Gordon/Haren for Heaney deal is done between #Marlins and #Dodgers.

    • CashmanNinja

      Interesting. Haren had previously said he’d retire if he was traded away from a California team. Guess we’ll see if he’s a man of his word.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        I’m sure a certain Mr. Tilapia can change his mind.

    • Rick

      That’s a nice get for Dodgers

    • dkidd

      nice “sell high” move by friedman

  • blake

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Haren has said he would retire if traded to any team other than Angels. His stance has not changed, according to a source.

    • CashmanNinja

      I just mentioned that, but I didn’t realize his stance hadn’t changed. I get that he may not want to leave a certain area, but he didn’t have a NTC and already had his option picked up meaning he’ll have to pay back $10 mil. I wonder if the Marlins did this knowing he’d retire and thus it’s basically like they got Dee Gordon and $10 mil in this trade.

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      YEA DODGERS REALLY NEEDED ANOTHER OUTFIELDER

  • Dude

    No update sine 237pm. This is not a positive situation.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      George is spinning! SPINNING!!!

    • CashmanNinja

      Or Cashman could be busy talking with other players… usually something doesn’t get leaked unless a team wants it to leak as a form of leverage, or some writer gets bored and makes up a rumor. Usually the best deals are the ones you don’t see coming.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        It’s been four hours since there’s been a tweet. Clearly Cashman is taking a nap. For charity.

  • Pete22

    If they miss out on Headley how about Drew for 3B? He can platoon with Arod or Prado there and if something happened to Didi he can play SS? Drew might need a longer commitment to play out of position again though

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      Drew i thought id never hear his name again mind if i scream

    • Dude

      Oh for heavens sakes please Drew cant hit. They need offense. Drew sucks.

    • Captain Obvious

      They need offense. Drew aint helping there.

      • NYCORNERSTONE

        you never know drew could hit 200 this year

        • Dude

          You could hit 200

          • NYCORNERSTONE

            im sure

    • Terry Noack

      Zero offense out of that positiion would be devastating to this offense. At least Headley can hit for power.

      • Pete22

        I suppose if you want to disregard what Drew has done over his career and judge him on 1 season,. Folks don’t seem to understand regression and buying low. The teams cheap, they have to look for players at the bottom of the barrell and not after guys who have had a contract year who are not as good as their last year

        • Dude

          New York Padres at premium ticket prices.

      • YakaTanaka

        Headley is not much of a power hitter, but is a solidly above league average hitter overall. Check out the ISO and wRC+ stats on fangraphs.com.

  • Terry Noack

    I can’t help but like the thought of Scherzer to add to a healthy Tanaka, a stud in Pineda and CC and then possibly Manny B. Too add Max to the rotation while the Sox lose Lester would definitely distance the teams in the pitching dept. Bullpen is just as dominant. If they are going to have a hard time scoring runs then having this type of staff would go a long ways.

  • Dude

    I don’t understand how you can have these gaping holes in the pitching staff and do nothing.

    • dkidd

      12/10

    • Captain Obvious

      Watch your tongue. They have Andrew Bailey and Ivan Nova.

      • Jim Is Bored

        FUCK FUCK FUCK

        • Captain Obvious

          Look at the angry troll! Hahahahahahaha.

    • YakaTanaka

      Do you understand that there are several months left in the off-season and they already have quite a bit of pitching talent?

      • Dude

        Talent? Circa 2009

        • Rick

          Didn’t realize Tanaka and Pineda were pitching in 09

          • Dude

            If they were healthy id give you tgat. I sure didn’t see a lot of 97s from Pineda.

            • Rick

              And his performance really suffered a ton didn’t it?

        • YakaTanaka

          Right…

      • Pete22

        Really only 6 weeks unless you think table scraps will feed the beast. Their starting pitching talent is all damaged goods with none of the projected starters likely to make 30 starts or 200 IP

        • YakaTanaka

          Have you taken a look at their medicals, Dr. Pete?

          Six weeks is a ton of time and there’s been barely movement in the SP market at all and Headley is still out there (unless I missed news). So… tons of time.

          Point I was really making is just that not having made a move by Dec 10 doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

  • Captain Obvious

    As this team sits, they are looking at missing last year’s win total.

    • YakaTanaka

      They’re also projected by Steamer to be all of two wins behind anyone in the division as things sit.

      You’re also misusing projections. It’s not some kind of definitive number. It’s the mean of a probability distribution that in this case has a lot of variability around it.

      • Centaur Hips

        Didn’t even address the rotation yet either.

        • Captain Obvious

          No money to.

        • YakaTanaka

          Yeah, I was thinking that. In fairness, though, Boston hasn’t either and the BJs may still have some moves to come.

          I’m pretty shocked at the Rays projected in three way tie for first… My baseless assumption was they would he pegged to finish last. Still plenty of talent there, though, I guess.

          • Centaur Hips

            Looking over their roster, they have no glaring weaknesses. Pitching still good. Boxberger and McGee strong 1 2 punch in the pen. Longoria should bounce back and still have Zobrist, they’re better than we think.

            • YakaTanaka

              Myers is also a big x factor.

      • Captain Obvious

        How times can you possibly be wrong about my intentions? Will you ever grow up?

        • YakaTanaka

          Problem is probably dozens of people misinterpreting your comments. Not the way you write them. Good thinking.

          • Captain Obvious

            Now you’re assuming what’s in the heads of dozens of people? Either you have a terrible education or your are a teenager. Which is it?

            • YakaTanaka

              False. Dozens of people like my comments where I call you out. I am assuming they like them because I agree. (My other comments rarely get liked more than once or twice if at all, so this isn’t a people like me thing… It’s a people don’t like your ridiculous, trollish comments thing.)

              Can you stop with the illogical insults? It only reflects poorly on you.

              • Captain Obvious

                So you’re both a teenager and have a bad education. Got it.

                Stop assuming. You look foolish.

                • YakaTanaka

                  Life is all about making assumptions, little guy.

                  I’m sorry if I hurt your little feelings. Try playing nice, and maybe you’ll make some friends ;)

                  • vicki

                    heehee. if yakatanaka is coaching you on your social behavior, it’s time for an intervention.

                  • Captain Obvious

                    My feelings aren’t hurt in the least. The contortions you go through are hilarious.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Fuck you, Andrew.

          • Captain Obvious

            Aren’t you a pleasant troll?

    • Rick

      You know they can exceed it and miss it too, right? Odds are strongly in favor that they miss last year’s win total in one direction or the other.

      • Captain Obvious

        You interpret missing in the wrong direction. Here missing is from one of the many meanings, in this case “to fall short”.

    • Pete22

      Not really, they are looking at 75-80 wins IMO unless there is a miracle that can keep that collection fo SP’ers healthy. AL East is going to be stronger. Of course, they will add a couple of SP’ers, just a question of who

      • Captain Obvious

        Agreed, and even if they add Hirok and McCarthy, that’s not 6 wins between them.

      • Rick

        So while you use pure conjecture, the actual projection systems – that, ya know, have real math behind it and shown to be pretty accurate – have them as the 4th best team in the bigs if they only re-sign Chase

        • Captain Obvious

          Keep dreaming. Or are you on some powerful hallucinogens?

          Cocaine is also a hell of drug.

          • Rick

            Nice rebuttal. You really crushed that one.

            • Captain Obvious

              You didn’t say anything worthy of a retort. The projections I’ve seen has them also scoring more runs. Nothing they’ve done warrants that.

              • vicki

                elimination of negative wins/runs, for starters.

                • Captain Obvious

                  Like? Jeter? Adding A-Rod is worse in my mind.

                  • Rick

                    “In my mind” … attempt to explain why and further your argument rather than just put a period at the end and act like it’s fact.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      You need me to spell it out? A-Rod missed two years, not one, and doesn’t have a position with two hip problems.

                    • Rick

                      And Jeter was the worst SS in baseball last year. So, yes, please spell it out.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      A-Rod will be the worst DH.

                    • vicki

                      nope.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      So you expect him to be good? After two years off? Why?

                    • vicki

                      i hope he’ll be great, believe he’ll be decent, and i’m sure he won’t be “the worst.” if he can’t produce he won’t play.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      If only…

                    • Rick

                      I have no problem agreeing with any statement you make – just have something to actually back it up with.

                  • vicki

                    and not having brian roberts start at second for half a season, and no ichiro in right for 143 games.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      Ichiro was a net positive. Beltran wasn’t.

                      Roberts was bad, but guarantee the kids will be better.

                    • vicki

                      he was a net positive only if you ignore opportunity cost. .056 iso from your right fielder is very, very bad.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      Beltran was worse.

              • Rick

                You just don’t believe in projection systems. That’s fine. However, just like you discredit them is the same way every person discredits your opinion that is predicated on nothing and devoid of fact.

                • Captain Obvious

                  Wow, how old are you? Assuming what’s in my head makes an ass of u. I have no problem with projections in general. Ones that show them scoring more than 650 runs are just projecting regressions to the mean from some players when there’s little to warrant that.

                  • Rick

                    Your argument is so flawed. Through your statement, you just said the projection is system is wrong and you don’t believe in it.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      On what basis can any system assume that they’ll score more runs? Who will perform better? McCann? And…..?

                    • Rick

                      On the basis that it’s every bit as likely they’ll regress to closer to their career averages than remain stuck in place hampered by their poor performance of the past year. If you’re that interested in how a certain projection system reaches its conclusions, then research the actual math going into it – don’t just discount it because you disagree. Point out exactly what’s wrong with it.

            • Captain Obvious

              Like your mom last night.

              Better?

              • Centaur Hips

                Stop wasting our time.

  • Dude

    All the GMs and decision makers are together niw. This is the optimal time to complete a deal.

    • Rick

      I know. It’s why nothing ever gets done after the winter meetings are over.

    • Pete22

      Probably the first time. According to some sources they have all been doing their work in their room via text and email. They could do that at home

  • YankeeFan™

    i wonder if they flip Heaney for Hamels in a deal.

    • Rick

      Imagine that rotation

      • YankeeFan™

        that rotation would be sick.

        • vicki

          and if they don’t flip him they still have one of the best rotations in baseball, and the two best lhp prospects out there.

          friendman didn’t let people wonder very long what he could do in a big market.

          • Rick

            In fairness, he walked into a pretty solid situation. Team has some pretty respected players in their farm and already possessed a loaded roster. But, yes – his moves appear to have been spot on thus far.

            • vicki

              what’s he got to do to impress you? jroll on the one-year is solid, and heaney for dee gordon is just freaking awesome.

              • Rick

                I agree – he’s made good moves. I’m just saying he had a lot to work with upon his arrival. The cupboard (minor league system) wasn’t bare and he had a solid big league roster to work off of. I love that Gordon for Heaney trade.

    • dkidd

      if hamels goes to the dodgers, i will spend the following 24 hours on otm and sosh

  • Dude

    Makes you wonder why Hal did not consider bringing in Theo when he had a chance.

    • Rick

      Yea I know. It’s almost as if Theo had to work miracles with so many top draft picks.

      • Dude

        Hey he didn’t draft the Culvers and DBJs

        • Rick

          They went in the top 10? Strange. I missed that.

          • Dude

            How about J. Lester, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Signing Soler, etc

            • Rick

              Yea Soler was real difficult. He was only considered to be a Top 5 talent that they shelled out a 9 year deal for, which was was unprecedented and considered crazy at the time. What does his time in Boston have to do with his time in Chicago?

              • Dude

                Overall he is a superior talent evaluator to Cashman. Let me also inform you of thanksgiving 2003 Theo and crew wined and dined Curt Schilling and we know how that turned out.

                • Rick

                  We could play this game all day. Cashman has 5 WS titles. How many does Theo have?

                  • Dude

                    2 and you wanna bet he gets at least 1 and maybe 2 with the cubs and if im not mistaken he was the assistant Gm in 1996.

  • Rick

    The funny part about the Yankees at these Winter Meetings is that even if Cashman walked out with Kershaw and Trout while giving up Beltran and Sanchez, some fans would ask why he didn’t do more and why he gave up so much

    • Centaur Hips

      What annoys me is people complain they’re doing nothing, meanwhile moves like the Gregorius deal come out of nowhere.

      • Dude

        That was last week and Didi aint winning a pennant.

        • Centaur Hips

          I’d like to see you post one comment that’s not negative. Or is it impossible?

          • HoopDreams

            That’s BGTs gimmick

            • Centaur Hips

              What a coincidence…

            • CashmanNinja

              I just think it’s funny how a guy could constantly come here under different names and keep trolling. Does he have nothing better to do? Wait…

              • Dude

                Im not even that BGT fellow. Im sorry your all management proponents. Im a fan who expects a championship caliber team. I assume you feel the same.

                • Centaur Hips

                  We all want that. But we all don’t complain about everything.

                  • Dude

                    Lets go management lets go management

          • Dude

            They have a good centerfielder.

          • Pete22

            When its raining you can’t say the suns out

            • Centaur Hips

              Don’t see any rain. Just hear a lot of moaning because the sun’s not shining at the angle people want it to.

              • Pete22

                Been raining for 2 years dude and dem clouds are getting darker. Winds picking up too, but thats what happens who you have cold pizza for breakfast

                • Centaur Hips

                  That’s raining? Raining is when you have to wait 20 dam years to make the playoffs. That’s fing raining. I would like to see some of you go be Royals or Blue Jays fans. You’re spoiled.

                  • Pete22

                    Those who waited 20 yrs also waited 2 years first. Some saw it for what it was early and did not have to wait 20 yrs to know it was raining. It was raining for 20 years, not just after 20 yrs. This may be year 3 of a 20 yr rain. Back to the 80’s, oh my,

                    • Centaur Hips

                      So you’re predicting this lasts 20 years when you actually have no dam clue? You’re complaining because you’re worried about a team that’s always in win now mode? I don’t understand this bs.

                    • Pete22

                      Not predicting anything, just saying its possible unless Hal changes his ways. My complaint with Hal is he has not been spending enough. Sitting on a pile of cash. For some reason fans support his austerity spending. Maybe that’s just ignorance, or they really want to compete on a level playing field. No idea.

                    • Hankflorida

                      I would more aptly use the Horace Clarke Era where Burke and CBS stopped trying. George tried in the 80’s with Whitfield and Henderson but his mix was wrong.

                    • Pete22

                      George was hampered by being complicit in collusion with the rest of MLB owners and giving up his financial advantage. The Horace Clarke era was the gap between the draft and free agency. The draft negated Yankees financial advantage until free agency (sans collusion). In this combined 25 years of no financial advantage, which includes the Hal era (2010-2014) the Yankees won 0 World Championships, None. Nada.

        • Centaur Hips

          And what the heck does this have to do with the people claiming they’re not doing anything?

          • Dude

            Have you seen what the Cubs, White Sox, Dodgers and Sox have done?

            • Centaur Hips

              Who cares? Who is to say the Yanks won’t make some more moves? They’ve obviously been making moves. You guys are just acting impatient and spoiled because you want to see a big splash.

              • Dude

                Your fucking A well told. I don’t care about profits and budget and all that bullshit. Maybe if I owned stock.

              • Jim Is Bored

                Let’s make a deal. Dude and Captain Obvious get 0 replies.

                • Centaur Hips

                  Sounds good to me. I’ve got stuff to do anyway.

        • Jim Is Bored

          You are the worst kind of person. “That was last week, it doesn’t count”

      • Pete22

        The cheapest SS solution (a young cheap 2014 Drew) available at the cost of their only healthy SP’er. Let Cashman stay asleep if that’s what he will be up to,

        • Centaur Hips

          Yeah getting a young controlled SS is a terrible move. Too bad they’re not going to replace Greene by getting some SP.

          • Captain Obvious

            Don’t you know they have a budget?

            • Centaur Hips

              So that means they’re not going to sign any more players? Do you want to bet on that?

              • Captain Obvious

                So you think they’re still good for adding $20M+ in AAV?

                • Centaur Hips

                  Why does it have to be for that price? You’re acting like a spoiled fan that fans the team to buy out the entire market.

                  • Captain Obvious

                    Nope, just want them to spend what they were spending in 2004. Is that really too much to ask?

                    • Centaur Hips

                      Why does it matter what they spend as long as they have a good team? And how do you know they won’t spend that much? You’re just assuming the worst because it fits your narratives.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      Did they have a good team in 2012 or 2013?

                    • Centaur Hips

                      They won the division in 2012 and nearly lead the league runs so yes. 2013 wasn’t has good but still was a good team that got destroyed by injuries.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      And 2014?

                    • Centaur Hips

                      Beltran McCann Soriano and Tex all gave them bad performances some of which weren’t expected meanwhile the rotation was devastated with injuries.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      The rotation was very good. That’s not getting better, not with them losing four starters.

                      Beltran and Tex are not getting better either.

                      You’re also conveniently forgetting they neutered payroll from 2013 to 2014. Why?

        • Captain Obvious

          Fair point. I’m hopeful Didi has upside, but he’s certainly no guarantee of anything just because he’s young.

        • CashmanNinja

          It’s easier to find a SP who could give you innings than a SS. Look at the free agent pool. Jed Lowrie wants a 3 year deal. They’ll all probably cost $10mil or so a year. It just isn’t a smart use of money to spend it on a SS when you could have a young, cost-controlled one for years to come for a guy who had 10 good starts.

          • Pete22

            Well where are they, why hasn’t Cashman found one yet?.

            • CashmanNinja

              First off, Bryan Mitchell could probably replace Greene in the rotation, so there’s already an in-house option. Secondly, Jon Lester literally just signed today so now the market for 2nd tier guys can start shifting into place. Every deal was being held up by Lester milking out his decision because teams had to wait to find out what his market rate was going to be.

              • Captain Obvious

                Bryan Mitchell is not as good as Greene.

                • Rick

                  And you know this how?

                  • Dude

                    Greene is mid 90s and Mitchell cant break 92.

                    • CashmanNinja

                      Can’t break 92? Uh…Mitchell has been clocked in the upper 90’s. Where have you been?

                    • Dude

                      I didn’t see one Fb above 92 in his start against Baltimore

                    • CashmanNinja

                      Oh, you mean the first start in his major league career where he was nervous as hell, didn’t want to overthrow the ball, and still managed to pitch a solid game? You’re seriously going to say he’s bad because of that? Boy are you reaching.

                    • 1stbase

                      Mitchell sat at 93 at hit 96 according to his pitch fx from last year

                • CashmanNinja

                  Their #’s in the minors are very similar. Same WHIP, K/9, HR/9, ERA, etc. Plus Mitchell is 3 years younger. Greene was able to suddenly “get it” when he got called up and maybe Mitchell will as well. But the point of this is that there’s no telling whether Mitchell will be better or worse than Greene. He could be lights out or he could fail. Greene could also fail next year for the D-Backs, but to write off Mitchell and claim for a fact that he won’t be as good as Greene is just asinine.

      • Captain Obvious

        Who is saying that?

        • Centaur Hips

          Dude just commented below that there hasn’t been an update for a few hours. Don’t mean to call him out since there are plenty of other commenters doing it.

          • HoopDreams

            That’s the same person

            • Centaur Hips

              Well that person should STFU

    • HoopDreams

      I feel like so many people forget the meetings are pacific time

      • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

        No, don’t be crazy! Eastern is the only time zone in America!

    • Captain Obvious

      Your strawman has no legs.

      • Rick

        You didn’t see how I constructed, how do you know I made it without legs?

      • Jim Is Bored

        Please. It has more legs than you do, Andrew.

        • Captain Obvious

          Ummm, seriously? Wow, angry and dumb. How’s that working out for you?

    • Pete22

      Only in your dreams

  • SweetSpot

    Monday April 6th, 2015 at 7:05PM the Yankees open against Toronto at the stadium. There’s almost four months between now and then for the Yankees to put the best team together that they can within whatever budgetary parameters ownership has established. To pass judgment today makes no sense whatsoever and no one here has a clue what the team will look like after they break camp.

    Then, when the season starts, we will see how the team performs. It’s possible last year was an accurate indication of what’s to come in terms of injuries and sub-standard performance — and it’s possible that was an aberration and in 2015 the team will remain relatively healthy and play up to their capabilities.

    • HoopDreams

      No! No! don’t comment logical thoughts!

    • Captain Obvious

      Easy to pass judgement when so few impact players are left.

      • SweetSpot

        We have impact players on the roster they just need to perform.

        • Captain Obvious

          You mean the old, declining ones?

          • SweetSpot

            That’s who we have, they are under contract and are not going anywhere. No acquisitions are going to change that.

            • Captain Obvious

              Saying they just need to perform ignores the biggest elephant in the room.

              • SweetSpot

                It’s a fact, that’s why players sign contracts. That’s who we have they need to perform. I’m not saying they will, I have no clue. I wish we had 28 year old all-stars in their place but we don’t.

                • Captain Obvious

                  What’s a fact? A blithe statement like they just need to perform. Those guys won’t ever reach their previous heights again. Not A-Rod or Teixeira or Beltran. McCann might. That’s it.

                  • SweetSpot

                    First of all, you don’t know what they are going to so. Second of all, let’s assume you are right and they stink. What are you going to do about it? DFA them? Who are you going to replace them with? The Yankees spent almost $500 million last winter on McCann, Ellsbury, Beltran and Tanaka.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      And payroll decreased last year.

                    • SweetSpot

                      Hal’s a great businessperson; the Yankees are a $3 billion dollar business. It is a business you know right?

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      He doesn’t

                    • Captain Obvious

                      A business that’s still worth $3B and growing whether they make any profit or not.

                      A business he runs so well that he loses more by not spending and puts a worse product out. Lose-lose.

                    • SweetSpot

                      The most absurd comment in this thread; not even worth a response. Thanks.

                    • Captain Obvious

                      Except it’s true. The Yankees grow in value and don’t need to make a penny.

                      And they lost more over the last two seasons by missing the playoffs than they made by being cheap.

                      But, sure what an amazing businessman!!!

        • Pete22

          Most of them are hurt and/or old and in their declining years. There are a few gems, but every last place team has a few

          • SweetSpot

            Maybe. We’ll see.

            • Pete22

              Pretty sure you said that last year

              • SweetSpot

                And it will be the case until their contracts are up or they retire. What don’t you understand about A-Rod, Tex, Beltran and Sabathia having guaranteed contracts and roster spots. I don’t like it, but you play the cards you are dealt.

                • Pete22

                  They don’t have guaranteed roster spots. Arod could be cut tomorrow. The salary is guaranteed. However, what don”t you understand about the fact the Yankees payroll in recent years has been down 50 million a year in 2014 dollars (adjusting for payroll and revenue inflation) compared to 2003-2009 . They can easily spend more money even with a couple of non-performing contracts. Its not like the Yankees did not expect Arods deal to underperform the last 3 years. They could easily have absorbed that if they did not cut payroll so much

                  • SweetSpot

                    I see so your idea is to cut them all and eat more than a hundred million dollars and have no one to replace them with. Gotcha!

                    • Pete22

                      Nowhere did I say that. You obviously have nothing intelligent to say but for the record I was saying they don’t have to restrict spending as much as they have as my data shows. Also, they could have cut Arod (and saved an additional 6 HR bonus plus 50% tax = 9 million)and replaced him with someone like Nelson Cruz, but that boat has sailed

                    • SweetSpot

                      Cut A-Rod and eat $61 million? Are you daft?

                  • Captain Obvious

                    Plato was so right. People generally prefer images than the light.

                    Don’t stop.

    • Hankflorida

      I cannot see A-Rod, Tex and Beltran playing like they did a few years ago, and that is why I want them to sign Scherzer and McCarthy as I think that pitching is the way to get to October considering that the team stays healthy.

      • SweetSpot

        I don’t disagree that there’s uncertainty. But that’s our roster. Spending $200 million for eight years of Scherzer would be lunacy in my opinion.

        • Hankflorida

          How about a similar deal that Lester got of six years?

          • SweetSpot

            We’re not the Cubs.

        • Pete22

          Were you Ok with the CC deal (30 million AAV in 2014 dollars) because that deal was was more than Scherzers projected 25 million AAV. Just because thats Scherzers asking price in years does not mean he gets that

          • SweetSpot

            Scherzer will get 7 or 8 years and $180-200 million. Baseball has changed, there is more parity and I do not support very long term contracts for players in their thirties.

    • Pete22

      Hard to get anything done after January. Only scraps left on the FA market and most teams are pretty much done dealing

      • Rick

        Prince Fielder says hi.

        • Pete22

          God forbid. Yeah, once in a blue moon, can’t count on anything though, now is the time

      • SweetSpot

        That’s not true.

  • Captain Clutch

    Scherzer?

    Bob Nightengale

    44 seconds ago
    The #Dodgers saved about $12.5 million in #Marlins deal,and with Ramirez gone and Kemp next,they’re setting up nicely for expensive starter.

    • Rick

      But what did they just add in J-Roll? How did they clear anything?

      • Pete22

        They filled a huge hole with a guy who produced a higher WAR than the guy they lost and makes 5 million less than Hanley did last year, 11 million is not a huge take on salary

        • Rick

          Ummm that totally misses the point on my question. I asked how they cleared any salary.

          • Pete22

            The #Dodgers saved about $12.5 million in #Marlins deal

            • Rick

              And added about $12M from the J-Roll deal.

              • Pete22

                They had to spend something to replace Hanleys hole at SS, and Rollins makes 5 million less than Hanley did, so thats a 5 million cut from last year

                • Rick

                  Which had no impact at all in the context of Nightengale’s tweet. That’s all TB and I are pointing out.

                  • Pete22

                    The tweet pointed out the 12.5 million saved on the Marlins deal and more to come by saving on Kemps deal which they can spend on pitching. You are the one bringing up the Rollins deal which I pointed out saved them 5 million on what they spent last year on SS

    • YankeeFan™

      give me a gm like freedman lol

      • Dude

        Or Theo but the point is that Cashman does not have any of their creativity.

        • Jim Is Bored

          When’s the last time Friedman won a world series?

          • Pete22

            On a payroll 1/3 that of the Yankees? LOL Now he has the Yankees budget .

    • TB

      They also added 12 mill back on with Rollins so it is basically a wash

      • Captain Clutch

        If they trade Kemp they will save $22m.

      • Rick

        I’m with you. Are we missing something?

        • vicki

          i don’t think he meant net savings; just that one line item on the balance sheet.

          i see them going after zobrist now.

          • Rick

            Right, but Nightengales tweet seems to indicate that they’re gonna take the $12M savings and put it towards a pitcher. When in reality it was already reallocated to J-Roll.

            Zobrist would be a perfect fit for them.

  • yanksinfirst

    How about this?
    Nationals give Ross Detwiler
    Yankees give Kyle Higoshioka and Brandon Pinder
    Is that enough?

    • Captain Obvious

      no

      • yanksinfirst

        With an FIP of 4.16 what could they possibly want? That falls between below average and poor according to Fangraphs…

        • Captain Obvious

          Major league players.

          • yanksinfirst

            Then who?

            • Captain Obvious

              No one the Yankees have. They have very little to trade.

              • yanksinfirst

                Are you kidding me? Someone of Detwilers ability does not require a major league player at all! Give me a break

                • Jim Is Bored

                  Advice: ignore him.

                  • yanksinfirst

                    Thanks bud. @CaptainObvious Yes they are trying to contend but what major league contributor are they planning on getting for a fringe SP/RP? Cmon man

                    • Captain Obvious

                      So instead they’ll take two non-prospects? Riiiiiiight.

                • Captain Obvious

                  The Nationals want that back – they are trying to contend too.

  • mustang

    Back from the gym and i see the Yankees are still on “budget”. Someone should go check on Cashman in his room to see if he is still breathing.

    • Centaur Hips

      This is ridiculous, and not the team.

    • Pete22

      He has finished popping the champagne and has moved on to other things more worthy

  • blake

    @JeffPassan: Exec on Dodgers haul: “Easily the most lopsided of the offseason.” Good RP in Hatcher, versatile Hernandez, solid prospects Heaney/Barnes.

    Friedman strikes again…..Gordon will probably turn back into a rotten pumpkin next year

    • Captain Obvious

      Fun to see what real GMs do.

      • Jim Is Bored

        lololol, Andrew

    • CashmanNinja

      For what it’s worth I would hands down take Didi over Gordon any day of the week. The Marlins saw a bunch of steals and suddenly thought Gordon was a great player. Heaney’s numbers were pretty bad last year, but it was his first year and he’s still young. I find it funny how the Marlins throw so many players away for such little in return.

      • blake

        Yea I do like Gordon’s speed but he didn’t work at SS….. And last year never seemed very sustainable to me…..very well could have been a career year for him

        • CashmanNinja

          And didn’t he have a bunch of nagging injuries as well? He was young and still had injuries. Those only get worse with age…as we know all too well.

  • blake

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Nationals in active discussions with multiple clubs on both Clippard, Detwiler.

    Wouldn’t mid bringing Tyler home

    • mustang

      Not going to happen

    • yanksinfirst

      I’m high on Detwiler. Should not cost much at all.

    • Centaur Hips

      Good job keeping up with the news btw. Thanks for keeping us posted.

      • blake

        Welcome

        • 1stbase

          It’s the only decent thing about the boards at this point

  • blake

    @JeffPassan: Want to know why Dodgers coveted Andrew Friedman? Because he turns six good weeks of Dee Gordon & Dan Haren’s name into 23 years of control.

    Yup

    • Captain Obvious

      Cashman turns five years of Solarte into half a season of Headley.

      • blake

        Is that you Bigdan?

        • HoopDreams

          BGT

          • Jim Is Bored

            Andrew*

      • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

        and Solarte wasn’t worth 1 month of Headley

      • Jim Is Bored

        Want to make a bet, Andrew, that Headley is still worth more WAR in that last half season than Solarte will be over 5 years?

  • Dan A.

    Yankees and D-backs still line up well if the Yanks will deal Murphy to them. The two best targets I think are Trumbo and Miley. Gardner is definitely better than Trumbo, but the deal gets the Yankees needed righty-power, a legit back up First baseman, and then they can deal Gardner to Cincy for a SP.

    • mustang

      I have a bridge to sell you.

    • Pete22

      Think there could be better deals out there, but I like the wheeling and dealing thinking

      • YakaTanaka

        Just make deals!!! Doesn’t matter how bad they are!!! Spend money!!! Long live LoHud!!!!!

        • Centaur Hips

          Not helping things.

          • YakaTanaka

            If you don’t point out how rodiculous their comments are, they might never know… I have faith that some of these guys can learn and be civilized.

            • Jim Is Bored

              I envy your idealism.

              • YakaTanaka

                I don’t… I have wasted so many hours on here with that approach.

            • Centaur Hips

              I would have your approach, if we weren’t dealing with stubborn trolls. They make their own narratives. In this case, just avoid them.

    • YakaTanaka

      Ickkkk… Say no to Trumbo! You’re not acquiring right handed power in a vacuum. Yiu’re acquiring the whole player, and he is not a particularly good one. RH power is not an end in itself. I’d keep Murphy over getting Trumbo. BUC is much more important than a mediocre hitting back up 1B (there’s a reason so few teams carry one).

      Miley is a solid enough SP who I would take, but I don’t think he’s anything special.

  • Centaur Hips

    The same people who want big signings are the ones complaining about how the team is in bad shape because of other big signings. Sigh.

    • Jim Is Bored

      The same 2 people, yeah.

  • blake

    Can y’all imagine what Friedmann could have gotten for Solarte and Shane Green! Sky is the limit !

    • YakaTanaka

      Not sure I follow.

      • blake

        Find Bigdan….follow the path to him

  • Pete22

    Well, its a gloomy day. Maybe the sun comes out later tonight, tomorrow, next month, next year, next decade. I dunno. Hals parted with 40 million thus far, (actually not a cent if you count those who have left). Lets hope he has a couple hundred million left to spend, or even one hundred.

    • mustang

      LOL
      Yep, right
      LOL

    • Jim Is Bored

      Why is everyone so obsessed with what Hal spends?

      • Centaur Hips

        I loathe a large portion of this fanbase, and sports fans in general.

        • Dude

          You like small market team building the Padres can use more fans.

          • Centaur Hips

            Go troll elsewhere. I’m actually a fan of the Yanks and not some whining spoiled “fan’ that complains about their every move.

      • Pete22

        Because it affects the quality of the team we will be watching?

        • Jim Is Bored

          I think we learned that throwing money at people doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll win more. That Beltran deal, that CC deal, that ARod deal, are all open-wallet deals.

          • Pete22

            Actually there is proof, or at least evidence. From 2003-2009 the Yankees won 97 games a year with a payroll that was 50 million more than the Yankees 2010-2014 teams, in payroll/revenue adjusted dollars. The 2010-2014 teams have won an average of 6 less games a year (91 wins) which is about what you would expect with a payroll drop of 50 million assuming 7 million per WAR (actually should be 7 less wins, Yankees have outperformed),

            When you have little production from the farm, spending is the only way to acquire Wins

      • vicki

        i don’t want to align myself with the trolls, but i’d like the yankees to do yankee things.

        • Jim Is Bored

          I do too, but not because it means Hal isn’t being cheap; because it means there was a player he wanted who he thought would help the Yankees win, so he signed him.

        • Centaur Hips

          I wouldn’t mind some big moves… but I understand if they don’t.

      • blake

        Well because it affects the team

  • YakaTanaka

    This board has been overrun by trolls…

    • HoopDreams

      Its the same damn person under multiple accounts who just trolls about Hal being cheap, 2004 spending, Cano dickriding and more

    • blake

      I think it’s a new breed of hybrid troll that’s been developed to take on the new RAB…..with great number of comments comes great burden of trolls

    • Centaur Hips

      We really need to stopping replying to them.

      • YakaTanaka

        True. “Them” seems like 50% of commenters, though…

        • Centaur Hips

          Not really. It’s the same handful of people, a few of which may be the same person.

          • Jim Is Bored

            We go through phases of being relatively successful at ignoring trolls. But we all get bored and get the itch to troll hunt, and thus the cycle repeats itself.

      • Jim Is Bored

        I’m done. From now on, zero replies to Captain Obvious and dude.

        • Centaur Hips

          Let’s just avoid sections of the thread.

    • 1stbase

      It’s disgusting , can’t even come here for even info anymore

    • vicki

      it’s an espn-style shit storm. the pleasures of rab are no more.

      • Jim Is Bored

        They’re still here, in small pieces.

        • Captain Obvious

          Says a woman when she opens your pants.

          • Centaur Hips

            Says the guy hiding behind a computer screen. I bet you wouldn’t have the balls to say that to someone’s face.

            • Captain Obvious

              Wanna bet?

      • RetroRob

        There really is one troll who generated half of the nonsense. He’s painfully obvious, but doesn’t stop people from wasting their time.

    • Captain Obvious

      Says the biggest troll.

  • yanksinfirst

    #STLCards are in talks with Mark Reynolds, per source. @Haudricourt mentioned. -Chris Cotillo

  • blake

    I hope Haren plays and make Miami pay that 10 million…..just because they deserve it for being so dumb

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      He will play about 3 starts and call it a year

  • NYCORNERSTONE

    Been fooled again cashman posing

  • mustang

    Dodgers, Phillies Discussed Chase Utley

    While negotiating the Jimmy Rollins trade, the Dodgers and Phillies also discussed Chase Utley, Yahoo’s Tim Brown reports (Twitter link). As Brown notes, L.A. could now have a more pressing need for a second baseman with Dee Gordon on his way to the Marlins.

    COME CASH AWAKE UP DUDE!!!

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      utt oh better go back to the gym and beat on the heavy bag eh

      • mustang

        Yea, that’s not going to help at this point

        • NYCORNERSTONE

          Was kidding,, getting used to it winter meeting have become lame

      • Pete22

        Can do that in your room

    • YakaTanaka

      Trade for Dee Gordon?

      • NYCORNERSTONE

        no but id trade for utley in a heartbeat

  • Rick

    V – looks like Friedman wants Utley now

    • TB

      Unless Utley changes his stance that’s doubtful – Utley has stated multiple times he wont waive his no trade clause for any team and isn’t moving his family out of philly

      • Rick

        On it’s face, that seems like a team you’d possibly change your stance for

        • TB

          Well if your wife doesn’t want to move it doesn’t matter

          • Rick

            Ha! very true.

    • thunderdan162

      doesn’t make much sense why, they have alex guerrero who lit up aaa waiting in the wings

      • YakaTanaka

        Guerrero is a questionable defender who split time in LF and lit up AAA at 27… The jump from AAA to MLB is the biggest one step jump in organized baseball.

        • thunderdan162

          that may be true but for what they are paying him they ought to give him a shot first, hope he sticks and use those assets to upgrade elsewhere

          • YakaTanaka

            Might be the case. If they did ask about Utley they may not be sold on him, though.

  • blake

    @Joelsherman1: Here Ervin Santana is going to #Twins

    • CashmanNinja

      Good landing spot for him with that ballpark…did wonders for Hughes.

    • YankeeFan™

      lmaoo no one wants to go to San Francisco.

  • thunderdan162

    Utley is literally a perfect fit for this team, one year gap to refs still can hit and is not atrocious in the field, the problem will be dealing with amaro….

    • TB

      He has two vesting options

      • thunderdan162

        makes him less attractive now definitely, if the price was reasonable i think it still makes sense

    • thunderdan162

      plus imagine having chase headley, chase whitley and chase utley on the same team

      • Too Many Idiots

        How would that match up with St Louis and Matts?

        • thunderdan162

          matt adams, matt carpenter, matt holiday, can’t think of any others

          • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

            They just got Matt Belisle.

        • vicki

          the surname suffix makes it much cooler than the matts.

      • NYCORNERSTONE

        why not we imagined lester all week

      • YakaTanaka

        More like Prado to Utley if they were to get him.

        • thunderdan162

          true forgot to take that into account

  • yanksinfirst

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see a follow up trade from the Marlins, with the Dan Haren news.
    Angels- Howie Kendrick
    Marlins- Dan Haren and Anthony Descalfini

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      like the dodger marlins and yanks don’t do trades

      • yanksinfirst

        What? The Marlins and Dodgers made a trade like an hour ago… I never said anything about the Yankees.. ?

        • NYCORNERSTONE

          i never said you did i said yankees never deal with dodgers or marlins pal

          • yanksinfirst

            Okay? I don’t see how that is relevant in the slightest

            • NYCORNERSTONE

              its relevant if the yankees wanted gordon from la or now miami capisce

              • yanksinfirst

                But they didn’t. In case you weren’t aware the Yankees just acquired their shortstop of the future in Didi. There is nothing the Yankees want from the Dodgers and the only asset that the Marlins have is Cishek. I made this post in reference to the trade that occurred about an hour ago and it had nothing to do with the yanks.

                • NYCORNERSTONE

                  lol relax your comments still very important

  • mustang

    Just wondering if my ticket representative is going to have the balls to call me next week as ask me to upgraded?

    • Jim Is Bored

      I bet you a lot of money that since it’s part of their job; yes they will.

      • mustang

        That’s going to be a hell of a phone call.

        • Too Many Idiots

          Like the ticket reps have anything to do with management of the team. But, yeah, give the little guy a bunch of shit for doing their job.

          • mustang

            Dude please just stop.
            Its a fucking joke!

            • Too Many Idiots

              With half the stuff you’ve spouted that past two days, how can we tell?

              • mustang

                THEN DON”T REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                • Too Many Idiots

                  Then stop coming unhinged and blathering all over the thread.

                  • mustang

                    I’m not but had enough.
                    Whatever.

                  • NYCORNERSTONE

                    Just call it a draw we all have one common goal here a better yankee team

                    • Too Many Idiots

                      True.

                    • mustang

                      BTW anything I write here take it with a grain of salt. Most of the time its blowing steam about the direction of the team I love.

                    • NYCORNERSTONE

                      yea i hear ya i woke up this morning b4 i went to work and fully expected to see yanks signed lester snacked my comp and forgot my wallet

                    • mustang

                      Me too.

                    • NYCORNERSTONE

                      lol and didn’t go to gym which i do 6 days a week depressed i guess

                    • mustang

                      The gym is my salvation from everything. Use to be baseball, but we know how that’s change…lol

                    • NYCORNERSTONE

                      Awesome have to make it a lifestyle don’t look for results, i been in there last 30 years no joke i still hit the batting cages too just love baseball

                    • mustang

                      30 years WOW!
                      I been doing it for about 10 years or so seriously for the last 3. Its funny the minute i stop looking for results and planning everything i got the results i wanted.

                    • NYCORNERSTONE

                      YEP AND THE REWARDS ARE GREAT YOULL HAVE THE STRENGTH THE REST OF YOUR LIFE YOU FEEL BETTER LOOK BETTER HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE WHENEVER I FEEL LIKE STOPPING I SAY IF YOU STOP NOW YOU LIFTED ALL THOSE WEIGHTS FOR NOTHING ! AND ALSO SWEATS MY BEST FRIEND LOL, STAY THE WAY ! SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS WOULD HAVE REWRITE THIS ALL OVER LOL, GOOD LUCK!

                    • Too Many Idiots

                      I know. Your comments just seemed so out of line from your usual contributions.

                    • mustang

                      The Lester thing really threw me for a loop and i’m starting to realize what this owner is really about and i truly don’t like it.

                    • Too Many Idiots

                      Just wait and see how the offseason shapes up…its far from over.

                    • mustang

                      Your right.

                • NYCORNERSTONE

                  Tempers flaring as we wasted 3 days here so far

    • Pete22

      Demand a huge discount on your current package or you are feeding the monster

  • mustang

    Twins To Sign Ervin Santana

    The Twins have agreed to sign right-hander Ervin Santana, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports

    Take another one of the list not that they were ever interested

  • YankeeFan™

    Dodgers making moves now interested in Utley wow

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      Kemp for Uley ? sounds fair

    • I am Brett Godner

      Dodgers have decided that the way to win is to become the Phillies? Solid logic.

      • NYCORNERSTONE

        sure win next year ,but long term no

  • Dude

    Cashman playing the violin while Rome burns.

    • Captain Obvious

      Nah, he’s dumpster diving!

  • mustang

    You guys enjoy too many trolls for me.

  • blake

    @DRob30: New York,

    I can’t even put into words how much I’ve enjoyed and appreciated my time there. Thank y’all for an incredible 7 years.

    Sads

    • Captain Obvious

      Disgusting really. Never thought I’d watch Yankee All-Stars walk over money.

      • TripleShortOfACycle

        They never offered him a contract

        • Captain Obvious

          I know, just awful.

    • Pete22

      D-Rob was one of the most likable Yankees in recent years, and a homegrown talent to boot, I hope the decision was not over money. OTOH, I hope D-Rob has a great 4 years except against the Yankees.

  • Dude

    Did Cashman die in SD? This is getting absurd.

    • YakaTanaka

      Mommy, I want that pony NOW!!!!!!!!!

      • YakaTanaka

        That other kid got a pony. I want one TOO!!!! No moooom! Not tomorrow!!! I want my pony NOW!!!!

        • YakaTanaka

          But, little Dudey, you have 10 ponies.

          I want it NOW!!!!

      • Captain Obvious

        A new pony would be nice when the old ones need to be taken behind the barn and shot.

        • YakaTanaka

          Yes, the Yankees have no talent. They’re two games worse than anyone in the division by Steamer projections, but all their players should be shot?

          You wouldn’t happen to be a little studdy guy from North Korea with a bad haircut, would you?

          • Captain Obvious

            No surprise you are confusing projections for predictions. Time to get back to studying, sport.

            • YakaTanaka

              No suprose you don’t know what you’re talking about. I used projections as projections. That they’re the mean of a probability distribution implies they’re the most probable outcome (based on the assemptions used). That there’s variability doesn’t mean there’s not value in looking at the best guess out there.

              Don’t you ever get tired of being a mean idiot? I mean you’re totally unpleasant, repel other commenters, and are dumb as a rock.

              • Captain Obvious

                You don’t understand the word “variability”. Back to your studies, Champ.

                • YakaTanaka

                  Incorrect

        • HoopDreams

          Andrew those guys have families ya know

          • Captain Obvious

            The centaur does?

          • Captain Obvious

            And why do you trolls keep calling me Andrew? Is that some derogatory name around here?

            • HoopDreams

              Andrew, If you really felt that way, you wouldn’t get so worked up about it

              • Captain Obvious

                Worked up about it? Not at all. Someone telling me to eff off on a baseball forum? Yeah, I’d shove my first so far up their ass they’d talk like a trained monkey.

                • Too Many Idiots

                  HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

                  • Captain Obvious

                    Well he’s gone now. Truth is in the trolling.

    • Jill McNeish Poock

      Yankees will be lucky to get a mid level pitcher at this point. So far very poor job by Cashman and Hal.

      • NYCORNERSTONE

        CAPUANO STILL OUT THERE HE DID GOOD sorry bout the caps

      • Too Many Idiots

        Yep, because the offseason ends this week.

  • Captain Clutch

    Mark Saxon

    8 minutes ago
    Another rumor floating around the lobby is that these moves are about lining up for the #Dodgers to sign James Shields

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      lol dam dodger know how to go

    • YankeeFan™

      Big Game James Shields

  • thunderdan162

    At this point, i think a trade for a starting pitcher sounds more likely than signing a big dollar one via free agency

    • Centaur Hips

      I think they’re just going to stick with the mid level FAs.

    • Pete22

      They may have an inkling Kuroda is coming back. Probably waiting on him

  • Centaur Hips

    The deals all seem to get done at night. Ton of moves being made right now.

    • YankeeFan™

      because its still early in san diego.

  • Centaur Hips

    So who is taking over 2nd for the Dodgers?

    • thunderdan162

      alex guerrerro probably gets first shot as of now

      • Centaur Hips

        Figured it was him. Haven’t heard how he’s done in the minors.

        • thunderdan162

          321/364/631 in about 250 pa’s in AAA, not sure if he’s a competent fielder there though

          • bernbabybern

            PCL, Albuquerque, hitter paradise.

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      Dodgers should want pirela he reminds me of puig

      • yanksinfirst

        I wish

  • YankeeFan™

    so the dodgers are paying all of Haren contract marlins got them selves a free pitcher.

    • Bigdan

      Is that allowed? I remember back in the day Kuhn overturned something like that involving the Yanks, Boston and Vida Blue.

      • Pete22

        Case by case. Depends on the amount involved and the quality of the players, neither of which are likely to set off any triggers here

        • Bigdan

          Effectively what’s going on here is the Dodgers are planning on paying $10MM for a team’s top prospects. Well that’s one way to improve your farm system. Buy prospects another team. The Dee Gordon element is a cover.

          Pete I’d expect you to be all over this charade.

          • Pete22

            I’m a free market kind of guy, anything goes.

  • Captain Clutch

    If Sherman is right and the yanks have a very limited amount of money left to spend they better not use it on Headley. I think they would really regret it if they give him a 4 year big money deal. They should pass on him and get a starting pitcher.

    • Rick

      4/44 isn’t big money

      • Captain Obvious

        Nope, and for him not even $65M is.

    • Pete22

      I like Headley and think they should sign him, He can always be traded if something better comes along. However, most of his value is in his defense, and teams just don’t pay as much for defense as they do for offense, so I can understand not wanting to overpay. Not hearing much chatter on him, sort of xpected the Giants to make a big push with Lester out, so this could be good news for the Yankees if the Giants are looking elsewhere to spend their money

  • Bigdan

    Sounds like our winter of discontent has gotten a bit more, shall we say. . . contentious?

    Well if the Yanks keep acting like a small market team expect this to be the norm for quite awhile. There’s only one potential way out of this. If Hal won’t raise the budget, the kids are going to have to play. And play some more. Even if they fail at first.

    Of course there’s always Arod.

    • Captain Obvious

      At this point it’s just dumb with a capital D. They are losing more by missing the playoffs than what they are saving. That’s dumb-dee-dumb-dumb.

    • Pete22

      There are some who had their hopes set on acquiring Lester and are disappointed. Not me since I never really expected them to be in on him, However, Shermans propaganda piece about how the Yankees have a limited amount of money to spend has set me off. I will never support this tight fisted approach to the Yankees after the taxpayers gift of a new stadium and paying these outrageous ticket prices to boot, only to get an inferior product.

      • Bigdan

        Well Boras is doing his best to change the mindset. Now he’s resorting to history. And logic.

        • Pete22

          I do have mixed feelings about Scherzer. Unlike with CC the team is not really all that close to being championship caliber. At best he gets them a WC spot. That said, I think he probably has 4 good years in him, and a 25 million AAV deal is not as much as people think in this payroll inflated environment. At the end of his deal that 25 million is down to 15-17 million in real dollars, and you would think the LT threshold would be at 200 million by then, so it would only be 7.5%-8.5% of the LT threshold (unlike Arods 27.5 ,,million AAV which is about 14% and CC’s 23 million which is about 12%)

  • mustang

    “2:37pm: Stephen Drew is much more popular this offseason than last despite his awful 2014 season,….”

    This is Mike’s last update that all you have to say about today and the Yankees at the Winter Meetings.
    SMH!

  • Dude

    Yeah Mike didn’t report much this week?

  • Pete22

    MLB’s revenues now up to 9 billion, a jump of 13%. 2014 payrolls about 3.8 billion, a jump of 6%. Players share of the pie is shrinking. Yankees payroll …………………

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Brendan Kuty ?@BrendanKutyNJ
    After talking to Brian Cashman, #Yankees don’t appear to have anything close to happening yet

  • ChristIsKing

    Maybe the Yanks are waiting to see how the Moncada situation plays out. With Refsnyder, Prado, Didi and maybe Moncada there could be an impressive infield eta 2016.. Signing Headley for 4 years could hurt the growth of some of those guys. Honestly if we land Moncada and look to rebuild I’ll be happy this off season

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Bryan Hoch ? @BryanHoch
    Yankees checked in on Jimmy Rollins a month ago, were told that the Phils would need a sky-high haul. Talks never got to specific players.

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Bryan Hoch ? @BryanHoch
    Cashman said the Yankees also checked in with the Dodgers about Dee Gordon, but there wasn’t a trade match.

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Bryan Hoch ? @BryanHoch
    Yankees are still talking about it, but Cashman said they do not anticipate making a selection in tomorrow’s Rule 5 Draft.

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Brendan Kuty ?@BrendanKutyNJ
    Brian Cashman said Alex Rodriguez isn’t at his spring training weight yet, but he’s approaching it

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Daniel Barbarisi @DanBarbarisi
    Told Boras said yanks need scherzer to have ‘World Series quality rotation’, Cashman said “Good, that means he likes the four we’ve got!”

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Pretty lame day for the Yanks so far as it approaches 7:00 pm PST.

  • YankeeFan™

    After talking to Brian Cashman, #Yankees don't appear to have anything close to happening yet— Brendan Kuty (@BrendanKutyNJ) December 11, 2014

    • RetroRob

      Just a smoke screen. Bryce Harper to the Yankees for Austin Romine will be announced any….

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Forget it. No room for another outfielder.

  • blake

    @Ken_Rosenthal: #RedSox have agreement in principle for #DBacks’ Miley, sources tell me and @jonmorosi. AZ will get Webster, De La Rosa and a minor leaguer.

    • Let’s Go Yanks

      The Sox turn Beckett, Crawford, and Gonzales into Miley.

      Pretty interesting step down from Lester.

      And why do the Sox feel the need to go get Miley if they have generational Henry Owens and Brian Johnson. Is this another Lars Anderson situation?

    • dkidd

      seems like an overpay at first glance, but miley is durable and only 28

  • ChristIsKing

    Maybe the Yanks are trying to build from within..

  • blake

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Dodgers close to four-year deal with free-agent RHP Brandon McCarthy.

    • Joey Domingues

      crazy….4 years is too much and lets see the aav…

    • Michael Berkowitz

      Man…good thing we at least have that kid who came up and pitched so well last year. Shane something?