Proximity to MLB makes hanging on to top prospects at the deadline a sensible move for the Yankees

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Judge. (Rob Carr/Getty)
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As I said over the weekend, I think it was quite risky for the Yankees to let the trade deadline pass without adding some kind of pitching depth. They could always add a pitcher in an August waiver trade, sure, but they won’t have access to the high-end arms. Guys like Jeff Samardzija and Hisashi Iwakuma figure to be claimed on revocable waivers long before they get to New York.

The Yankees did not acquire a pitcher but not because of a lack of effort — they were reportedly out there talking to everyone about their available pitchers, including the Reds (Johnny Cueto, Aroldis Chapman, Mike Leake) and Padres (Craig Kimbrel, etc.). The issue for them was cost. They didn’t want to surrender their top prospects, and in many cases, teams traded their top prospects at the deadline. J.J. Cooper notes six top 50 and nine top 100 prospects were traded within the last week or so.

The reluctance to surrender top prospects was not necessarily a case of blind prospect hugging, which happens often. It’s only natural. Prospects are like kids, everyone loves their own more than than everyone else’s, and they’re more willing to overlook their shortcomings. The Yankees held on to their top prospects partly because of their proximity to MLB — these guys are in Triple-A and producing, which means they aren’t far off from helping the Yankees.

“I’ve been in the position in the past where we’ve had a strong system, but it was down low and you had to wait it out,” said Brian Cashman to Chad Jennings following the trade deadline. “Well, we’ve done the waiting. We’ve done that hard part in waiting it out, and now these guys, we probably have one of the youngest and also productive and high-profile rosters at Triple-A.”

Cashman admitted to having four untouchable prospects: Luis Severino, Aaron Judge, Greg Bird, and “in most cases” Jorge Mateo. Judge, Severino, and Bird are all in Triple-A right now — well, Severino is technically still in Triple-A, but he’s being called up to join the rotation tomorrow — while Mateo is still all the way down in Low Class-A. That’s why he was untouchable “in most cases” and not all. The Yankees were reportedly ready to deal Mateo for Kimbrel, but it didn’t happen.

Severino, Judge, and Bird are valuable to the Yankees in both the short and long-term because they’re obviously very good prospects, and also because they fill positions of need. Severino’s a pitcher and everyone needs pitching. Judge and Bird have a clear path to the long-term right field and first base jobs, respectively, since both Carlos Beltran and Mark Teixeira will be free agents after next season. The Yankees won’t have to wait years to see them in the show. They could be up and in the lineup everyday next year if there’s an injury.

Success in Triple-A does not guarantee success in MLB, that couldn’t be more obvious at this point, but success in Triple-A does make success in MLB somewhat more likely. Minor league performance matters less and less the further away you get from the big leagues. Double-A is usually the big separator — most suspects are weeded out from the actual prospects at that level. Judge, Severino et al have succeeded in Double-A and are now doing it in Triple-A.

Did the Yankees make a mistake by not adding pitching depth at the trade deadline? Oh sure, it would be extremely easy to argue that. Example: the team’s starters allowed 36 runs in 51.2 innings during the ten-game road trip and they just lost Michael Pineda to a forearm injury for a few weeks. See? Simple. Considering they have a nice lead in the AL East and haven’t been to the postseason since 2012, dealing some minor leaguers for pitching would have been easily justifiable.

Instead, the Yankees the Yankees focused on the long-term, holding on to their top prospects rather than trade them for a quick fix, which is what many folks have wanted them to do for quite a while. In this case the long-term is also the short-term. We’ll see it with Severino tomorrow. Had the Yankees made a bunch of low level prospects untouchable, well that would have been sorta foolish. They have high-end prospects close to MLB now though, for the first time in a long time. Hanging on to players this close to helping is much more sensible.

“Again, with young guys, if you’re right on your assessments, you can have it pay off towards the back end,” added Cashman. “We haven’t deviated from that game plan. We’re comfortable doing that. We believe in the upside. We also see the patience that at times is necessary.”

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  • Farewell Mo and Jeet

    I would have loved to add a starter since there’s a distinct possibility that the starting rotation isn’t gonna hold together long enough to make a playoff run but I’m glad they’re more committed to the long term rather than rolling the dice on one big run this year. There’s plenty of good arms available via FA this offseason to boost the rotation.

  • Preston

    There have been times when the team has had as many top prospects, but I can’t ever remember having a group like Severino, Judge, Sanchez, Bird and Refsnyder all at AAA.

    • dkidd

      1995 columbus clippers had a decent bunch

      • Clay Bellinger

        Eh, kind of overrated. Not much big league production.

        • dkidd

          disagree
          that boehringer guy had a nice little career

          • Clay Bellinger

            Damn, I was fired up when he got scooped in the expansion draft.

          • Preston

            Dave Eiland’s career as a pitching coach really pushes them over the top.

            • dkidd

              also enjoy the completely random appearance of todd benzinger

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Kurt Ojala must own some land somewhere.

              • Dos Luises

                Oh, how I hope.

      • Preston

        I didn’t realize they all shared a AAA roster. I thought Mo and Pettitte were up before Jeter reached AAA, and that Jeter was up before Posada got to AAA. Funny to think that Ruben Rivera was the most highly regarded prospect on that team.

        • dkidd

          i had to check before posting
          i remember them being more staggered as well

  • Monterocouldstillbedinero

    Da Judge is locked and loaded.

  • Still Stucky

    My worldview – make significant trades for 162 games +. Don’t make trades for a couple of months and perhaps 1 to 3 playoff games.

    • Clay Bellinger

      Generally, that’s a good rule. Much depends on the situation, need, specific player though. Sometimes a rental just makes sense. Glenallen Hill, Luis Vizcaino, etc. Didn’t seem to be much out there as far as those opportunities though.

  • Luis Seveddardino

    They did exactly what I would have done, Mike. Nothing. I’m glad the organization has finally made a committment to getting younger. People always complain about how we have too many 30+ year old immobile albatrosses and the first thing they want to do is trade the kids for more of those players.

    Instead of trading the farm, use it. And that’s exactly what they’re going to do on Wednesday, which will be an historic turning point for this franchise. We’re finally going to get a chance to see what these kids can do when given an opportunity.

  • Tar

    The big pay-off is still in sight. they can still win it all this year, and keep all their chips…it’s a gamble that I’m ok with. I guess I would rather they err on the side of keeping the “untouchables”, than trading them.

    But damn….. I reallllly want to to see Alex…. et al hoist that trophy this year.

    • Clay Bellinger

      That’s the one thing.. so do I. The potential issue I see is that the two most productive hitters on the team are up there in age. ARod and Tex. I just don’t know that it’s realistic to expect the same success from them next year. With the AL being so winnable, it just feels like this is their shot. It was right not to trade Judge or Severino, but man it would have been nice to add a lesser SP. Something to solidify the rotation, even just a little. I just trust that Cashman tried though.

      • craig

        As to Al from Miami and Tex…the flip-side to that is due to their unlikely ability to do this again (hopefully I am wrong because it sure has been fun watching!) it makes MORE sense to hold onto the top prospects. We will need them even more next year and going forward.

        • Clay Bellinger

          True. I don’t want to deal top prospects either. Especially, as the article outlines, the ones that are due in the bigs so soon. I just would have liked to see something added. That being said, Leake cost SF their best prospect, so maybe there was no way to add any decent SP without the top two being included.

  • Chip

    I said it in the Fan Confidence section, I can’t remember the last time the Yankees had this many high quality prospects in AAA.

    Judge, Heathcott, Bird, Sanchez, Refsnyder and Mason Williams (when he’s healthy) are all guys who could be in starting lineups out of spring training next year on many teams including this one if not for the guys already under contract.

    Yes, the Yankees could have dealt some or most of them to get upgrades for this year, but I also appreciate Brian’s look at the big picture.

    Luis Severino is not David Price, nor is he Johnny Cueto, but he’s probably on par with a Mike Leake, Mat Latos or Dan Haren and for a lot less.

    Alex and Tex are having great seasons – but can you count on them in 2016 and if they go down – you have Judge, Bird and Sanchez who you can plug in at 1b/DH. I’m not sure how they’ll play it, given service time issues, but theoretically you could see Judge in RF in ML games in September if the Yankees were interested in going that route (I don’t think they will)

    I don’t believe that Severino, Judge, Bird and Sanchez will be the next Posada, Jeter, Andy and Mo…it’s not fair to expect that of these kids…but could they be the next Melky, Gardner, Robertson and Cano? Yes.

    • Still Stucky

      Judge isn’t spending more than a full calendar year in AAA unless he dumps in the bed.

      He’s in the mix for RF the sec his service time issue passes.

      I HIGHLY doubt the Yanks think they can gt another 140 games of defense from Beltran next year.

      • Chip

        As long as Beltran, Gardner, Ellsbury and Alex are healthy next year there’s just no place to put Judge unless they are willing to move Beltran to the 4th OF role. Could Judge be the first one up next year in the event of an injury to one of those guys?

        • craig

          Yup…if he is mashing and the service time passes they’ll welcome him with open arms…really big open to arms of course.

        • Evan3457

          Well, they’re going to get hurt, probably all 4 at some point. I can see Judge replacing Young’s role early next year after the arbitration point, and getting part time play for each of the four as each gets an inevitable injury, and maybe playing everyday at some point if 2 of them are on the DL at the same time.

          Come to think of it, that’s probably the best way to break him in.

    • Some Asshole

      And the greater point is that all those folks may not pan out, but the Yankees have given themselves more shots by keeping them.

  • dkidd

    first time in my life that the team is more patient than i am

    • Some Asshole

      So much better than when they traded Mike Trout for some magic beans.

      • Dwnflfan

        You mean these magic bean? :)

        • Some Asshole

          Nah, that never happened.

          #TheNarrative

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Bingo.

  • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

    Yup.

  • Bill

    Before this season all that was said is the Yankees are in rebuilding mode and waiting for these huge contracts to expire. I’ll take winning the division during a rebuild anytime. Very smart not to go crazy at the deadline. They are very well positioned for short and long term success and as a fan that is all I ask for.

  • W.B. Mason Williams

    Prospect hugging is fine. The guys at AAA are a really exciting bunch. There are no guarantees in baseball.

    The Yankees may be able to win it all with their current roster. They also may not be able.

    Severino, Judge and Bird may turn into productive big leaguers. They also may not.

    What’d really bring the apocalypse to this board is if they don’t win it all AND the prospects disappoint. This eventuality has a higher chance of happening than I think many are willing to admit.

    But f*ck it. This is the team, those are our kids. We’re winning the World Series this year and from 2018-2021.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      What you didn’t want to see is what happened to the A’s last year when they went all in and came up snake eyes only to become a last place team though the Yankees shouldn’t have to take that kind of a risk since they can afford triple the A’s payroll

      • Clay Bellinger

        Different circumstances though. They’re small market. They got Lester knowing that they couldn’t afford to re-sing him.

    • mitch

      You can’t judge it in hindsight like that. Lots of prospects bust. If they fall short of the playoffs because the back end of the rotation wasn’t good enough then i think it will be fair to say they made the wrong decision to hold onto the prospects so tightly.

      • W.B. Mason Williams

        I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to say here.

  • Still Stucky

    re: Judge (continued from below).

    His early promotion strongly suggests to me Yanks seem him contributing sooner than a September 2016 call-up.

    He was having a nice year in AA, not a GREAT one. There aren’t a lot of reasons that makes sense to promote him aggressively only to plan to have him spend well more than year across 2 seasons in AAA.

    I think they’re trying to set up for s Bryant-like call-up early next year.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      This wouldn’t surprise me.

    • Preston

      I agree, but first he needs to start hitting better. They aren’t going to call up there “slugging” top prospect if he’s posting a .135 ISO at AAA.

      • Still Stucky

        Sure, it’s always about execution. But the point is, if the Yankees plan was September 2016, it made no sense to promote him to AAA when they did.

        • mitch

          why not? He’s already 23 and was had a wRC+ 150 through 300 PAs. I think they moved him up because they thought he was ready for the next level.

          • Still Stucky

            Because you plan ahead for top prospects. They would have split the time they planned to keep him in the minors between the levels.

            You don’t want a top prospect to stagnate at one level too long.

            They DID spit the time they ideally want him to spend at AA/AAA is the point, making his ETA April-May 2016… if he hits enough to deserve it.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      I can see a call up after spening some time in AAA to push his clock back a year for arbitration

    • Dos Luises

      I’d say All Star break unless Beltran is useless again in April. Had little choice but to stick with Carlos this year. Next year should be different (if a similar slow start ensues.)

      • The Great Gonzo

        Yeah, they can eat less than one seasons’ worth of shit contract. More than that is a huge sunk cost.

        • Dos Luises

          Personally I see them cutting him loose if he sucks early next year because he’s not what they’d want in a 4th OF (also assumes Alex is raking in DH spot in ’16.)

          • The Great Gonzo

            Yeah… couterpoint though: They gave him time to heat up this season and he has, relatively speaking. The leash will be long in 2016 as well.

            • Dos Luises

              That’s true. And since he’s going to have a monster Octubre, there’s that too. The leash will probably extend to the ASG.

        • Deep Thoughts

          Let’s give him one gluten-free offseason.

    • Chip

      I’m not saying you’re wrong. I just ask the question – where is he playing if Beltran, Gardner, Ellsbury and Alex are healthy?

    • The Great Gonzo

      Maybe, just maybe…. they were anticipating Beltran not bouncing back and needing the Judge sooner rather than not.

  • nyjchris

    It seems like the value of prospects in general has fallen a lot based on this trade deadline. The Yankees didn’t want to pay the market price for anyone really (perhaps not Kimbrel). I’m happy we didn’t trade Severino or Judge but dealing Sanchez, Ref or Mateo I would’ve been comfortable with if it could’ve netted us a solid starter and bullpen piece.

    The last time I was happy we didn’t trade prospects it was with Hughes, Joba and Kennedy for Johan. In hindsight, that might have been the wrong decision.

    • Coolerking101

      It’s a result of the extra wild card and the ability of more teams to have a shot at a playoff run. It’s simple economics. The more demand, the higher the price.

  • Bill

    I really miss clicking on “Show 17 new comments” every 3 seconds

    • Some Asshole

      And 16.5 of those said the same thing.

      • dkidd

        4,647 jokes using the word “untouchable”

        • Robinson Tilapia

          About 300 jokes between me and dickylarue on Aaron Harang and Kevin Correia.

          About 200 Kimbrel troll comments from joeman, who has SEEN MORE BASEBALL THAN YOU EVER WILL, YOUNGIN.

          • Some Asshole

            Wonder if he takes that act on the road as the Joe Man Group.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Only when he calls Access-a-Ride.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      That was insane last week, kind of like the shit show at the ESPN comments sections before they required facebook sign in.

      • Some Asshole

        “Shit show…required Facebook….”

        I’m sensing a trend.

        • Farewell Mo and Jeet

          I’m convinced Zuckerberg is the anti-christ and Facebook the 1st sign of apocalypse

          • Robinson Tilapia

            And Chad Jennings was his agent on earth. Yes.

            What does that make Mick?

            • Some Asshole

              The cherub?

        • The Great Gonzo

          IETC

      • JLC 776

        I wonder if we can hit 5k next year.

        • Some Asshole

          I kept egging them on, but nobody liked my sauces.

  • JacobyWanKenobi

    I’m really gonna miss Teix when he’s gone, one of my favorite players. I also wonder what kind of deal he’d get if he keeps producing like he is this year.

    • Some Asshole

      10/275

      And he’ll be in the owner’s suite to announce.

      • craig

        I laughed…then I cried…then I laughed again.

    • Greggreen

      if he finishes off this year at 250/360/580 with 40 homers and repeats it the next year? Hes getting a QO and lands himself at least a 3 year deal, even at 37

      • Farewell Mo and Jeet

        Even if he’s not back with the Yanks in 2017, it would be really nice to get a #1 pick back for him at the end of his contract if he plays well enough to warrant a QO

        • JGNYC

          yes, this!

          • Greggreen

            bird would have to really impress me to say no to a 40 homer switch hitter. My money is on Jags being the first baseman of the future

        • m_pemulis

          Only if we draft Mike Trout with that pick.

    • Still Stucky

      Sign me up for making the decision a very, very hard one for the Yankees in 2017.

      • mitch

        too far away to worry about. So much can happen between now and the end of 2016…especially for a guy with his age and injury history. If he’s still mashing at that point it will be a good problem to have

      • The Great Gonzo

        Pretty much this.

    • Preston

      Adam LaRoche signed a 2/25 deal for his age 35-36 seasons. If Tex plays anywhere near to the level he’s currently at the next year plus he’s going to blow that out of the water.

    • Bill

      I’m thinking Cashman coughs up 4/65 that way Bird can be a 30 year old veteran when he gets his debut.

      • JGNYC

        If he continues to play well, he’ll get a qualifying offer and hopefully we’ll get a draft pick when he signs elsewhere.

    • Deep Thoughts

      His next deal will probably look something like this.
      http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/026/780/i02/wandering-albatross.jpg

    • The Original Drew

      His Yankee stadium graphic for when he gets a big hit is literally the best thing ever made. I will be very sad when it isn’t there anymore.

  • Dos Luises

    Very happy with the Yanks moves (clear 40 man logjam and add Ackley who I see as a likely candidate for starting 2B in ’16 AND not overpaying for a quick BOY improvement.) Not happy with market prices except in that the BJs had to pay those exorbitant prices to Cary out Their strategy.

  • Countdown Till Bryce’s a FA

    Not to be a dick, or maybe i am. But tomorrow? Was this posted a day early or something? AFAIK Severino is going wednesday, and an extra proof read would of saved for some errors eg.. “Instead, the Yankees the Yankees”

    • Clay Bellinger

      Mike should be very sorry for not double-checking the free content that you just read.

      • Greggreen

        also i think he meant the move was going to be for tomorrow even if he doesnt pitch until Wednesday

        • Countdown Till Bryce’s a FA

          Got it.

      • Countdown Till Bryce’s a FA

        God forbid we critique baseball players, and not anyone else. Don’t get me wrong, i appreciate the content. All non profit content should be this good. Right? Or wait, is this non profit?

        • Aaron Juez

          If you have any complaints or tips you can submit it via the sidebar.

          • Game 3

            So can you.

            • Aaron Juez

              I don’t have any complaints or suggestions so why would I?

              • Game 3

                Maybe you should get some. Pronto.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  You’re not going back to the whole digest sidebar, are you?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          WHERE IS YOUR 501(C), AXISA?

          • Some Asshole

            I fully support the upcoming RAB Super PAC.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Drum roll, please….

              • josh keiler

                Make sure that sign is printed on 100% Oaktag

    • JLC 776

      He’s being called up tomorrow. He pitches Wednesday.

  • Some Asshole

    Standing pat and looking three years ahead is not exactly something we’ve all been used to as Yankees fans, except being confident in the contracts given to Jeter, Williams, Rodriguez, etc. during their respective heydays would pay off in October after October. The MLB world is quite different in 2015 than it was in 2005 or 1995. It would be quite nice to see if this pans out as planned.

  • The Billy MartinVanBuren Boys

    That vein in Judge’s neck In that picture scares the crap outta me! Glad I don’t have to face that guy ever.

    • Some Asshole

      He looks like a machine. I’ll have to nickname him “Drago.”

      • Coolerking101

        He’s not human, he’s like a piece of iron.

    • Mike Myers

      the vein in judges neck is bigger than Altuve.

    • JacobyWanKenobi

      That’s not a vein, that’s what happens when his brain makes a verdict and tells his body to clobber a ball into a life sentence in monument park.

  • Dan Benjamin

    Bottom line is Cashman is a prick, a BIG prick! Trading Judge or Severino is crazy talk but Mateo. Come on man! He is not the second coming and he can’t walk on water. Cashman new his role and the small holes that needed to be filled and did nothing. What he did what swap crappy Jones for Ackley and leave us CC fucking up our rotation. If they at least got one pitcher, that could of pushed CC out.

    • Clay Bellinger

      He tried to trade Mateo, so your “point” is well off-base.

    • JacobyWanKenobi

      Maybe he can walk on water, the Flash can do it and I’m pretty sure Mateo is faster.

    • Some Asshole

      The rumor that mentioned Mateo mostly was a deal with the Padres. Eating Kimbrel and Gyorko and still giving up an intriguing prospect? Yankees didn’t make that move and nobody else did, either.

      • Greggreen

        i heard it was most of gyorkos deal. but the padres probably wanted the whole thing gone

        • Some Asshole

          Either way, that’s a shit sandwich.

          • Greggreen

            if the yankees found a way to turn him into a 5 million AAV guy ( padres eat 10 million) i would of done it. He would be over paid but a somewhat useful platoon bat who can play 2nd and 3rd.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            With shit mayo.

      • Dwnflfan

        It was reported the Padres never responded to the offer. Hard to make a deal when one side stops talking. It’s pretty obvious the Padres decided they weren’t going to sell.

        • Some Asshole

          Probably because they knew they wouldn’t get what they wanted. Such is life.

    • Still Stucky

      So then you don’t feel like your argument can stand on it’s own merit then? You need to resort to attention-grabbing trolling?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      There is zero chance you’re actually the nice, clean-cut gentleman in the avatar pic.

      • HoopDreams

        He’s a BIG prick!

      • Clay Bellinger

        Maybe not. They are many clean-cut dumbasses out there though, so it can’t be ruled out.

  • The Great Gonzo

    I liked the move (or last of moves) of not blowing your wad over 3 months of a Price/Cueto. Especially when there is no evidence that playing in NY for 3 months would make them a lock to re-sign.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      Right. Then you put yourself in the position of having overpay to keep them since you’ve already invested top prospects to get them in the first place

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Someone want to help me roll this grave over?

      • The Great Gonzo

        lift with your legs whilst rolling those graves. Don’t get a hernia.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          But my shoulder…

          • Some Asshole

            Surgery. You must gets it.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              There’s a non-zero chance someone tells me I screwed up my rotator cuff in a few weeks.

              • Some Asshole

                You must be one of the late ’90s Mets prospects.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      headley

  • Centaur Hips

    Exciting times. Probably could use Judge as next year’s Young if they wanted to, but it’s probably best to let him play every day and develop.

    • JacobyWanKenobi

      Young could be next year’s Young, I’d want him back. Great 4th OF option

      • Centaur Hips

        Sure, but we don’t know what his market will be after this season. With Judge on the cusp they might not want to go that route depending on the cost.

        • Greggreen

          a team might look at beltran as a viable DH option. but he has a No trade clause. I think we will just go with judge coming up at some point next year

          • Preston

            I don’t think NTC is a big obstacle in Beltran’s case. Any team that is willing to take a chance on an older hitter bouncing back is one that’s at least mildly hopeful of competing. And once you’ve worked out the trade, Beltran will know he’s unwanted. I think he’d rather go somewhere else and play rather than come back knowing he’s likely to be relegated to a PH role.

            • Greggreen

              idk, the dude has wanted to be a yankee his entire career

              • 86w183

                Well he never wanted to badly enough. He had several chances, all he had to do is keep dropping his price, but that didn’t happen. He wanted to be a Yankee on his terms, which is fine, but it’s still a business and he never let that so-called desire get in his way til last year.

            • Ma-kun Fronaka

              I think the two things that would make him consider waiving his NTC would be everyday playing time at DH, and being dealt to a contender. If both of those details aren’t met, I don’t think he waives it, even if it’s one or the other, so it may be a bit harder than it’s being given credit for. Not impossible, but not easy either.

              • Preston

                But I think both those options need to be met for any team to want to take him on.

              • The Great Gonzo

                When he absolutely RAKES in October, we’ll look back at this conversation and think it was just silly….

                • Ma-kun Fronaka

                  Oh, I’m not endorsing a trade per se , I’m just saying it will take super precise circumstances for it to be even possible

          • 86w183

            Beltran might waive the NTC if it means an every day DH opportunity. He’s approaching some pretty cool milestones —

            2,500 H, 1,000 X-Base H, 400 HR, 1,500 RBI and he’ll need more PA to get close to some of them.

      • Game 3

        I”d like next year’s Beltran to be last year’s Kelly Johnson. That is, gone!

        • JacobyWanKenobi

          Maybe he’ll retire and just leave a ton of money on the table lol hahahahahahahahaha haha ha h- ;.;

          • Game 3

            Maybe he’ll get that thing removed from his face!

  • Coolerking101

    As always Mike, your breakdown is spot on.

  • JT

    Does the deal make sense? I guess in Cash’s eyes, none of them did.

  • Still Stucky

    Bad news – Price 1 run in 4 IP, got out of bases loaddd no out jam in 4th.

    Good news, nearly at 80 pitches going into the 5th.

    • Preston

      So probably not going to be as good as Norris in start one.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I believe that gains us an extra ten games in the standings.

    • Jordan

      He got some help from the ump to get out of that jam as well.

  • grandedan

    I wonder if the Yanks were one of the teams trying to trade for Iwakuma. Reports say several teams tried to trade for him but the Mariners want to keep him and re-sign him for a year or two in the off season. I don’t know why the Mariners couldn’t trade him and still try to sign him in the off season but perhaps they believe if they traded him for a couple it would be harder to sign him over the winter.

    There are going to be a ton of pitchers available in the off season in free agency. Not all will be high priced Aces like Price. They’re will be some like Iwakuma and I wonder if the Yanks will be interested. It seems like a 2/20 or 2/22 may get it done. That might fit the Yanks budget if they choose, as expected, not to go after an Ace. I think the Yanks will go with a 6-man rotation next year so Iwakuma may be a nice fit for a team with a bevy of No. 3s but no real Ace.

    • 86w183

      Iwakuma has not been very good this year…. and he turns 35 in April so there won’t be a huge demand for his services. The Yanks wont need to go after some OKAY guy… they’ll sit pat or go for an ace. They already have plenty of candidates for the 2016 rotation —- Tanaka, Pineda, Nova, Eovaldi, CC, Severino, Warren and Mitchell. That’s eight guys for five jobs.

      • JacobyWanKenobi

        That 2 questions marks with health, CC whose been just atrocious, Eovaldi, who is getting better, but still has a ways to go, Nova who has never been consistent, 2 unprovens, and Adam Warren.

        • JacobyWanKenobi

          So basically, they could use an OKAY guy or two

        • 86w183

          And of the eight, six are having better seasons than Iwakuma and seven of them are younger than Iwakuma.

          Add an ace or go with what you got.

      • grandedan

        First of all, Iwakuma has been extremely consistent in his major league career, apart from this season where he’s been hurt. Go check it out. Since he’s come back from his lat injury, he’s thrown a couple of clunkers but was real good yesterday as well as in his other starts. His poor numbers probably will reduce his price which as we all know is something that often appeals to Cashman (McCarthy, Drew, Ackley, et al.)

        As far as that list of eight pitchers of yours above, your collection provides more question marks than answers. In a six man rotation, the Yanks will need at least eight starters and I question whether Severino, Warren and Mitchell will qualify next year as solid candidates. So basically, that leaves three potential openings for someone like Iwakuma.

        • Clay Bellinger

          We don’t even know that they’re going with a six man rotation. I hope they don’t.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Because we let him go to Korea, amirite?

          • 86w183

            No one has done six-man for any length of time and no one will. You take five starts from each of your five best pitchers to give them to your sixth best? Not gonna happen.

            • Some Asshole

              I’m sure this was an argument back when four pitchers were the common rotation.

              • 86w183

                It most certainly was. The big difference now is what owners are paying their top starting pitchers. You cut the workload you increase the cost per game.

                Same logic explains why there are not going to cut the schedule to 154 games. Ownership wont take afive percent cut in revenue generating opportunities unless they get five percent reduction in all costs…. and that ain’t happenin’ either.

            • Clay Bellinger

              Plus, the issue with the bullpen/bench. You’d be taking a spot from that unless there’s a roster expansion.

          • grandedan

            That’s really a guess on my part but I think I’m right. The Yanks appear to be testing the concept this year. And that’s why they got Ackley. They may have a short bench next year and a guy like Ackley, they believe, may be able to essentially fill two traditional spots.

            • Clay Bellinger

              They tested it out because they have two guys coming back from UCL injuries, one guy that has trouble getting through a season, and a guy in the pen that’s better than some guys that remain in the rotation.

              • grandedan

                The concerns about innings durability aren’t going to change next year–Tanaka, Pineda, CC, Warren, Severino etc. And Rothschild has been talking up the 6 man rotation for over a year now.

        • 86w183

          He has not been extremely consistent in his brief four year career.His ERA + has been 121, 138, 103 and 84. That’s not consistent.

          He was terrific in 2012, slightly better than average last year and worse no good this year (4.77). I don’t get your fascination with a downward trending soon to be 35-year-old.

          • Some Asshole

            He’s pitched less than 50 innings this year due to injury and his ERA was trending from the 6+ that was up there before his return. Statistical noise.

          • grandedan

            Thanks for proving my point. As I pointed out above, he’s been hurt this year so you need to throw out this season’s ERA+. So in his three year career, he’s been slightly above average to well above average. That is as I said extremely consistent.

            • 86w183

              So we should ignore the poor performances of an aging pitcher?? Why??

              His ERA+ dropped 35 points from his second MLB season to his third. That’s not consistency and it has nothing to do with his injury this year. It’s dropped another 19 this year. You call that consistent?

              I call it a downward trend of two years for a guy who will be 35 in April. No thanx.

              • grandedan

                Prior to this injury plagued season, his FIP has trended down each successive season as he’s aged. His overall peripherals remain very strong.

                There certainly are no certainties in baseball, but I’d bet Iwakuma is aging well and will continue that trend for at least a year or two.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Being that he was never truly made available, you may have a hard time finding out who exactly was interested. Being that we’ve read allusions to the Yankees asking on just about every potentially available pitcher, I’d say it’s likely glances were exchanged.

  • grandedan

    I don’t understand the Jagielo thing. As soon as it was reported that he had chips in his knee, I suggested he immediately get surgery so he could be ready for 6 weeks of AFL and thereby have almost a complete season under his belt. Bone chips don’t just disappear on their own. Now he most likely won’t be ready for the AFL and will likely miss a whole half a year of development, at a point in his career where development time is key. I wonder if he’ll find his way to the winter leagues.

    I see Williams as a similar situation. A shoulder that keeps popping out is not going to fix itself with rest. He needs surgery as well at some point. It wouldn’t surprise to hear he’s going under the knife over the next couple months. More time wasted.

    • Farewell Mo and Jeet

      IMO, it’s kind of foolish to opine on if and when someone should get surgery without knowing the specific medical details which are only available to the player, team and doctors.

      • 86w183

        Exactly! If there’s a non-surgical option the player is going to try it first as he should.

        • grandedan

          Just like Belran last year. Again, some medical conditions just don’t fix themselves.

          • Greggreen

            and some due. and surgery gives enough risk that other options will always be looked into first. its easy to say just get the surgery as a fan

            • RAH in CVA

              And not only that, surgery is not always immediately appropriate. Sometimes swelling or ancillary injury is such that it is medically appropriate to wait. That’s why pitchers who blow out their UCLs don’t invariably get TJS the next day.

      • Some Asshole

        Yeah, but some asshole’s dad was a doctor. Possibly just an internist, but still. You gotta get the surgery.

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      Williams had the surgery already.

      • grandedan

        Not this year. And I believe that was his other shoulder.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I think you’re actually right on that.

    • Game 3

      lol grandad.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “As soon as it was reported that he had chips in his knee, I suggested he immediately get surgery so he could be ready for 6 weeks of AFL and thereby have almost a complete season under his belt.”

      You may want to rephrase that, lest you get a kick out of folks making fun of you for implying that the team didn’t follow your medical suggestions.

      • grandedan

        My predilection to offer advice and later second (first) guess knows no disciplinary bounds.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Well, at least you’re comfortable in your own skin there.

          • grandedan

            My college roommate is now a doctor. I’m a lawyer. We have always believed that just about anybody with slightly average intelligence can do any professional job with a minimal amount of guidance. As a securities lawyer, I believe about 98% of the decisions I make on the job could be made by anyone with a college degree and probably 80% with anyone with half a brain. The professions do a great job of making their occupations appear a lot harder than they are, usually by employing obscure nomenclature.

            • The Great Gonzo

              Wow… All that medical knowledge and modest as well? You’re a keeper, grande.

            • Some Asshole

              I have a degree. Now, I shall have your job.

              Although, this brain thing…is that a prerequisite?

              • Finn H.

                Yes,
                But u should read my favourite manga, Tokyo Ghoul

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I’d hire you as an attorney. I’m not sure I want your friend reading my x-ray.

            • TheEvilUmpire

              Lawyer! No wonder no one likes you around here! (No offense Ben, if you still lurk around here!)

            • Rick

              I thought you said you were a federal prosecutor?

              • grandedan

                Same.

                • Rick

                  Interesting … those cases you are prosecuting must have enormous dollar figures. Or are the feds interests peaked with any kind of securities lit?

                  • Robinson Tilapia
                  • grandedan

                    I never had a billion dollar case as a prosecutor but a few in the hundreds of millions. I left the govt over ten years ago to go into private practice. Prosecutors do that a lot. You jump to the defense because the comp is better and you just want something different. But there’s really nothing more fun for a lawyer, in my opinion, than working on a big white collar case with the FBI. They have guns.

                    • Rick

                      Literally and figuratively, the FBI does indeed have guns.

        • Monterocouldstillbedinero

          Whew…I was fearing narcissism but humility and self-deprecation has won out.

    • TheEvilUmpire

      Dr. Big Member with his expert diagnosis, as usual!

    • Sccrkeepr34

      A shoulder doesnt fix itself, but to fix a shoulder capsule without other damage like a labrum issue or RC issue, is stupid. They cut you from AC joint to below your armpit, and solder the capsule. Then you have to wait 3 months to move it again, and guess what??? It still doesnt guarantee your shoulder wont sublux or dislocate again. DAN, stick to something besides medicine. Also, Bone chips in the knee arent something that’s life threatening most people can just play through the pain, if there is any. They dont always need to be removed.

      • grandedan

        Did you see Williams’ last injury? He dove to the first base bag from a standing position about a yard or two away. How much trauma was involved there compared to what an OF will ordinarily face day to day?

        If your shoulder keeps popping out (Williams claims this happens often although he’s usually fine in a few days), what other realistic options are there? He’s going to have surgery on that shoulder eventually. It’s just a matter of time.

  • Frittoman626

    Yeah, at this point just stick with the prospects and hope they pan out. There will be many pitchers to add in the offseason and if they want a Zobrist so bad, he’ll most likely be available in free agency. Severino and Judge definitely have me very excited, Sanchez can can be the BUC in a couple of seasons and learn from McCann, and Bird possibly becomes the heir to Tex.

  • HoopDreams

    I still think we should’ve added a starter, maybe they still do during the waiver period. All I know is, DOTF is gonna be a fun follow. More so than usual with all the strength at the triple a level.

  • Game 3

    Should have traded for Cano and his IBS (impressive bat skills).

    • TheEvilUmpire

      ‘Cause he’s the shit!

  • BrokenBatman

    If Teixeira finishes this season strong and puts up another great year next year, what kind of contract would we he command at his age?

    • The Great Gonzo

      Go south, already covered.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        TWSS

        • The Great Gonzo

          Upvote for perfect placement….. Which in and of itself is TWSS worthy.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            No, it’s not.

    • Clay Bellinger

      2/25-30? I dunno. I’m not great at this.

      • Clay Bellinger

        Actually more. Nelson Cruz got 4/57. Less than that. but more that 2/30.

        • Stan

          split it down the middle? 3/45?

    • Yankeefan93

      Maybe the Contract the Yankees gave Beltran.

  • Yankeefan93

    Can’t wait till Wednesday’s game! Got my Tickets.

    • Asher Dratel

      Just bought mine!

      • http://www.shindig.me/ Harry Raymond

        River Ave Blues meetup at Stans before the game?

        • Asher Dratel

          I don’t get off work until 6, so I won’t make it to the stadium pretty much until the first pitch, sadly.

    • Patrick

      Same!

    • Adam

      Me too! Buddy of mine surprised me with field level tix for my birthday.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Would’ve purchased too if I wasn’t in another country!

  • Rick

    It’s not as if Samadrzija would’ve helped us yesterday. Actually, he did help us yesterday :).

    • Luis Seveddardino

      Yeah, and it seemed like Nova was the guy everyone wanted to get rid of for another SP. Nova has a 3.10 ERA, lowest on the staff.

      • Rick

        He really looked like old second half Nova yesterday. I was very happy with how he threw the ball. Eddard, I’m very pleased we are engaging in a serious conversation.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Embedded Yankee Jeff Samadrzija

  • argeebee99

    Also let’s not forget the time: 2 months then FA vs 6 years of team control. I think it’s worth hanging on to the aforementioned guys just on that fact alone.

  • Stan

    I’ve looked at the trades made (and the rumored ones the Yankees were involved in) and I’ve tried to compare them to what the Yankees have in the system and I think the only ones I would have said were worth it were

    a similar package that netted Kazmir or Leake.
    Mateo for Kimbrel (unless Gyorko was involved)
    Bird for Capps (though I read today that the Marlins wouldn’t trade him)

    • Rick

      We also may have dodged a bullet with Capps – he’s scheduled to undergo an MRI

      • Stan

        Maybe that’s what held up the trade proposals.

  • JLC 776

    Doesn’t look like Minnesota is going to solve Price today… bummer.

    • Asher Dratel

      Of all of the guys for the team who is gonna threaten us to pick up, I’m glad they got Price. We’ve obliterated him from time to time.

  • Harris K.

    It will be interesting to see if this team is good enough because upgrading could mean having to make some difficult roster decisions. Upgrading the rotation means cutting out Sabathia while he makes $25M. Calling up Judge means getting rid of Beltran while he makes $15M.

    I’m glad they didn’t trade for Kimbrel though with an already strong bullpen plus guys like Goody and Lindgren hanging at AAA.

    • TheEvilUmpire

      All those hot prospects mean injury insurance for ’16.

    • Yankeefan93

      I think we could easily trade Beltran this offseason since he’ll be on the last year of his deal and someone out there is going to want a DH who can hit well. Beltran has been better since that horrible start to the season he’s had. Everyone just knows he can’t play the field. Of course we’ll have to eat some of the money since I doubt anyone will take on the entire 15m.

      • Evan3457

        No trade protection in his contract.

        • Yankeefan93

          He’ll waive it when the Yankees tell him he’s going to be a Bench player next season.

          • Stan

            Beltran has been saying most of his career how he wanted to be a Yankee… I don’t see him dropping the no trade.

            • Evan3457

              This.

            • Yankeefan93

              Should’ve signed with us instead of the Mets then lol. Either way I think he’ll waive it since I’m positive he’d rather be an everyday player on a contending team than a bench bat on a contending team. Plus he has some milestones next season to get to to push his HoF status.

        • https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wasserman.35 nsalem

          You’re dreaming if you think they are going to bench a productive player when they don’t have the stones to bench CC who has been arguably the worst starter in baseball this year. By the way Beltran has been playing to exactly his lifetime offensive numbers of an .844 OPS since May 1 so offensively they are getting what they paid for the last 3 months and they have defensive replacements for him in the late innings. On top of that he is one of the greatest post season performers in the history of baseball.

    • Stan

      If the cost for Kimbrel was his salary and Mateo I’d have been all over that in a heartbeat. too many shutdown relievers is not a problem. Shreve, Kimbrel, Miller, Betances, Wilson. 5 guys with a sub 3.00 era

  • Patrick

    Jose Abreu and Adam Eaton co-AL players of the week. Tex had 5 HR this week ….

    • Rick

      Foreshadowing of the MVP vote

      • Patrick

        Tex isn’t MVP, probably a solid 3rd place though. Trout has been far and away the best player in the AL, should be a landslide victory for him.

        • Yankeefan93

          Wouldn’t surprise me if Donaldson won it this year if the Jay’s get the 2nd wild card.

        • Adam

          I think Tex could be #2 in voting, especially if he ends up with his projected 48/123 HR/RBI totals.

        • Stan

          I have often said that the MVP isn’t (or shoudn’t be) the best player. Its the player that has been the most valuable to his team..

          its why I get annoyed when players on a last place team or a sub .450 team gets the Award. Pretty sure they could have done that without them.

          If a Trout led team with a good supporting cast can’t make the playoffs he shouldn’t be winning an MVP over Teixeira if he leads the Yankees to the divisional title.

          • The Great Gonzo

            But…. one could make the argument that Tex has as strong a supporting cast as any.

            • Stan

              Angels have 3 guys that should clear 20 homers same as us, a rotation with a better ERA than we do… we have the better pen… its close

              • The Great Gonzo

                Oh its close, but its not like the Yankess are sending 8 Stephen Drews out there with Tex and running away with the division. Which I think is exactly your point.

                • Stan

                  lol yep

          • Patrick

            Actually no, the MVP is the best player. It is by definition …

            • tardisman

              most valuable player doesn’t necessarily mean best. For example, Sanchez may be a better player than Refsnyder but 2nd base is more important right now so Refsnyder is more valuable to the Yankees

              • Patrick

                So wait we should base the MVP on who a player’s backup is?

                And Sanchez IS more valuable because even if there isn’t an opening for him, he is a better player and has more trade value than Refs

            • Stan

              No.. by definition its the most valuable player.. not the best player with the best stats… you could hit 50 homers and drive in 120 if your team wins 40 games how valuable were you?

              • Patrick

                Very valuable. It just means the rest of your team was really really bad.

                Should the best player in the league get paid the most money? I think we can all agree on that right? Well wouldn’t you say then he would also be the most valuable if he deserves the most money?

                The best player is the most valuable, it’s relaly as simple as that.

                • Stan

                  I can name many players who get paid more than they produce (top example Ryan Howard is tied for the 3rd highest salary in the game). A players contract is based on past performance for the most part as opposed to future performance. Case in point the best player in the game isn’t the highest paid (Trout is 175th in salary this year) because he is still working on an extension of his rookie contract.

                  Was Jeter a more valuable player to the Yankees than A-Rod was during the Championship years? Many would say yes but he put up numbers that were nowhere near as impressive.

                  Its not as simple as you seem to think it is.

                  There is a huge difference between how valuable someone is and someone being the best player. Even though often times they will be the same player.

                  • Patrick

                    Haha obviously players get paid more than they are worth, I don’t think you are understanding my question. In an *ideal* world I think we could all agree that the best player *should* be paid the highest amount of money. Thus best == most valuable

                    Unless you think the best player shouldn’t be paid the most? And if that’s the case, why not?

            • Rick

              By definition it’s actually not the best player. It comes down to the voter’s interpretation of value. To me, I agree with you that it should be the best player. But going back to when A-Rod won it for an Texas team … they would have been awful with or without him. To that end, he wasn’t really that valuable.

              • Patrick

                He was worth like 10 wins that year dude. I don’t get why an individual award should be tied to the performance of the TEAM. It makes no sense.

                • Rick

                  I’m with you on that … but how “valuable” is the best player to a last place team. My point is there’s a lot of subjectivity involved. I’m with you, I would vote for the best overall player to be the MVP. However, I do see how you can make the argument that someone who didn’t have the most WAR was more valuable to their team than the player who did.

                  • Patrick

                    I’m sorry but I just don’t see any reasonable argument to support “someone who didn’t have the most WAR was more valuable to their team than the player who did”

                    It just becomes a bunch of hypothetical nonsense at that point. If the Yankees win 90 games this year with Tex, and the Angels win 85 with Trout, say you swap those two players the Angels probably win 82 and the Yankees win 93. Obviously that sounds bonkers because it’s a ridiculous fantasy league hypothetical.

                    The individual award should be based on individual accomplishments and the uniform the player wears shouldn’t have any bearing

                    • Rick

                      So try to refute the argument that A-Rod wasn’t valuable to Texas because they were a last place team with or without him. WAR is a made up number to begin with. While we generally accept it and encourage its use to compare players, how do we know how accurate it really is? By the creators own admissions, defensive metrics really aren’t all that reliable … which really calls into question the many players who have their WAR boosted by defensive calculations.

                    • Patrick

                      I’m not saying just count up the WARs and fill out your ballot. Like for example, WAR has Tex as a bad defender this year and we all know that’s just untrue. So in reality I would look at offensive statistics, what position the player is at (SS gives more value than a DH etc), and of course defense but not based on UZR. Baserunning, intangibles, clutch, etc factors in a bit too. Team performance factors in 0% in my opinion.

                      A-rod deserved the MVP because he was the best player that year by a wide margin. Why should him being on a bad team make any difference? It’s the “MVP” not the “Most Valuable Player on a Playoff Team”. Is it the player’s fault that the GM didn’t put together a good team or that it’s going through a rebuild or his supporting cast got hurt? Lets take this to it’s logical conclusion. Lets say some player hits 1 HR every at bat for the entire season but the rest of the lineup never gets a single hit, and the pitching staff gives up 10 runs a game. The best season of all time, on the worst team of all time – are you saying that player wouldn’t deserve MVP after hitting 500 or whatever HR in a season?

                    • Stan

                      Nope.. he’d get the home run title, the rbi title, the Batting average title to cover all of those things…

                    • Patrick

                      Think about what you just posted.

                      A player with a 1.000/1.000/4.000 line (that’s 5.000 OPS), 500 HR, 500 RBI and lets throw in he’s also the best fielding SS of all time.

                      You wouldn’t give that player the MVP award. Ok. I think I’m done here :)

                    • Stan

                      not from a last place team nope as i said if they finished last with him they can finish last without him..

                    • Patrick

                      It’s an individual award though. Dude has no control over what team he’s on or how bad they are. I think you can make the logical leap that if he’s on a .500 team he would push that team to the playoffs can’t you?

                    • Stan

                      valuable to your team means that it is not completely an individual award its award based on your value to your team… and again a last place team with you can finish in last without you.

                    • Patrick

                      Yeah but the award is most valuable player not most valuable to your team player. Players get paid based on their stats – money is a pretty good indicator of value – player with the best stats is most valuable. Logic’d!

                    • Stan

                      okie.. then if not value to your team value to who? in order to be valuable you have to have someone to be valuable to

                    • Patrick

                      The beautiful thing about statistics is we can evaluate value in a vacuum. Value to who you ask? We can examine the value of a player compared to that of a replacement player, thus establishing the independent value of each player in the league.

                    • Stan

                      having value is not the same as being valuable.

                    • Stan

                      Also in your example he would have a 0.0 war

                    • Rick

                      Not all, I’m just saying the word “value” has a very subjective component to. The MVP is not called “The Best Player Award.” In fact, it’s frequently given to a player who is not the best player in their league. I totally understand what you’re saying that you should be able to equate the best player as providing the most value – it follows logically. However, you can make a strong argument that, for example, a guy like Tex who may be worth 5 wins this year (just pulling a number) is more valuable to the Yankees if they make the playoffs by 1 game then Trout, who puts up 10 wins, if the Angels make the playoffs by 11 games.
                      There’s just a level of subjectivity that makes judging “value” difficult. I’d be totally fine with them renaming the award “The Most Outstanding Player” award. Using the word value makes it unnecessarily complicated.

              • Stan

                That was the point I was trying to make with that self same example in a different post… thank you

              • http://markfrancobaseball.blogspot.com/ Mark Franco

                FWIW, here is what the ballot says, verbatim:

                Dear Voter: There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

                The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

                1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

                2. Number of games played.

                3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.

                4. Former winners are eligible.

                5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

                You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration.

                Keep in mind that all players are eligible for MVP, including pitchers and designated hitters.

                Source: http://bbwaa.com/voting-faq/

                • Stan

                  Thank you, I wasn’t aware there were actually guidelines provided.

      • Evan3457

        Tex somewhere in the top 5, behind Trout and Donaldson, and depending on the stretch drive in the next group with Cain and Machado.
        A-Rod in the 6-10 group, closer to 10, I’d think. Assumes that both keep it up through the end of the regular season.
        Betances/Miller/Gardner with scattered end of the ballot votes. Miller less likely than Betances because of the difference in innings.

    • tardisman

      He definitely should have won player of the week. Though I doubt he’ll come close to winning MVP with a sub-280 BA…

  • Evan3457

    All well and good, but let’s see if they have the stones to stay with Severino, Mitchell, Judge and Bird to complete their development at the big league level if they struggle while the Yanks simultaneously meet the organizational mandate to compete for the post-season every near, never taking a down year.

    I hope they do, because most rookies struggle their first time through. Kris Bryant was as hyped as any prospect the last several years, but after a good start, his K rate is putting him through a rather severe slump as the Cubs try and take the 2nd Wild Card. (.132/.261.289 in his last 20 games with 33 K’s in 76 AB). Carlos Rodon was rated higher than Severino before this year, and you can see the high-ceiling stuff, but his command isn’t there yet, and he might actually have to go back to AAA at some point.

    I hope they have the fortitude to stay with Judge, Severino and Bird through their own likely struggles.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Retool, not rebuild, which also takes the rest of the team performing to expectation and not exclusively relying on those guys to carry the load.

      It’d be awfully nice if, say, Didi is settled into a groove, and Severino looks comfortable in an MLB rotation before the others mention gets worked in.

      • Clay Bellinger

        Didi kind of already has settled in. An example of them sticking with someone and letting them get acclimated. If you’re going to work on a budget, there’s not much choice.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I’d do backflips if he was still even 75% of what we’re seeing right now at this point next season.

          • Clay Bellinger

            Start stretching big guy.

      • Evan3457

        Ideally, yes, that’s the way to go. Judge for Young’s role, starting after the super-two point next year. Bird at some point in the 2nd half, maybe September.

        • The Great Gonzo

          I’d rather Slade for the Young Role and Judge for the Beltran role, but alas…

          • Evan3457

            Maybe Slade early in the year for Young, then bring Judge. Ackley starting at 2nd?!?

      • Re2pect

        itd be great

      • Brazen-NYY

        Looks to me Didi is having some fun too.

  • Evan3457

    Jays win, 5-1. 5 1/2 back, 7 on the loss side. Three more with the Twins, who are quickly waking up from their nice dreams of contending for a Wild Card.

    • MB923

      And Phil Hughes pitching tomorrow for Minnesota. Chalk up a win for Toronto

  • Brazen-NYY

    We all know the FO shook up the farm and implemented new guidelines, staff and such…by keeping the top prospects the FO has to validate or not the new system…What Cash and Co. did was a sound business decision as well. Forget about the immediate needs and creating a new young core…they have to see if their prior decisions were correct too. Also by having the rest of the teams bid on the prospects also raises their stock for future trades. Sure another pitcher would have been Great…The Yanks have to see how the new farm works first.

  • bernbabybern

    Just so everyone realizes it, here’s the potential 2017 lineup with a “youth movement”:

    CF Ellsbury
    LF Gardner
    DH Rodriguez (42 years old)
    C McCann
    3B Headley
    RF Judge
    1B Bird
    SS Gregorius
    2B Refsnyder

    Removing Tex and Beltran takes a bite out of the lineup, no guarantee how the youth will do.

    • Vern Sneaker

      The list reminds me of the Baseball America “projected lineup three years out” lists that nearly always turned out to be way wrong. But . . . here’s hoping.

      • bernbabybern

        Certainly. There are 6 players we know we’ll have. We don’t know if they will be healthy or good anymore (Arod). And 2B could definitely be different.

      • Stan

        To be honest… as much as i am rooting for Bird.. I think he is the one who doesn’t make it and the Yankees either try Jagielo at 1b or sign someone to play there

        • Rick

          I’m not convinced that Refsnyder has a long term future either.

          • Stan

            I can see the Yankees trying to bring in a new 2b also yes.

    • Some Asshole

      I ought to kill you for not having Refsnyder be anything other than cleanup. How dare you besmirch his honor!

    • grandedan

      And Ells, Gardner, McCann and Headley are all two years further away from their prime.

      It’s questionable whether the Yanks will or even should go in this direction. There should be some money available to spend in 2017 on free agents depending on the whole 189 thing. Perhaps the rotation will have some big arms to carry the offense.

      • Stan

        prime to me are age 28-32 so I am in agreement with you… but 3 will barely be past that and catchers age quick.

    • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

      and what does the starting rotation look like?

      • Stan

        2017 tanaka pineda cc Eovaldi Nova….Tanaka, Pineda, Severino, Eovaldi, Nova in 2018

        • YankeesJunkie

          Nova’s arb years is up after 2016 and I would not be surprised if he went for greener pastures or a better deal.

          • Stan

            I think the Yankees keep him around if he pitches well in 2016. if not he’s replaceable as a #4

        • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

          yikes we still have CC in the rotation next year. Unfortunate unless he has a miraculous turn around and learns to make the necessary adjustments with diminished velo to be a pitcher like Mussina learned to be in his final years. Doubt it will happen if it didn’t happen this year

          • Stan

            yeah… its too bad cc won’t retire and take on a 50M contract to be the pitching coach

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Stray elbows
        Stray shoulders
        Pain
        Misery
        Sabathia

        • Stan

          which one is eovaldi?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            The Yankees obviously gave up on him, since guuuuurl, you can’t change that man!

            • Stan

              lol

    • Phil Privitera

      Well if Judge is everything we hear he is he will be hitting 3rd or cleanup. Bird will be 2nd or 3rd in the lineup….Arod probably will not be here…He has been great this year but even the Yanks know it won’t last. Free agents will be sprinkled in to make this lineup more robust.

    • Stan

      And in 2018 it could be Ellsbury Gardner Judge McCann Jagielo Headley Bird, Refsnyder, Didi

    • Patrick

      Yeah but you are assuming Judge and Bird aren’t middle of the order hitters … If they reach a reasonable baseline of their potential they should be 4-5 hitters right?

      • Stan

        Everything the yankees have shown will keep mccann and arod in the middle of the lineup and will break in the young kids by hitting them lower in the order thereby lowering the expectations placed on them

        • Patrick

          I think Girardi is smart enough to put the best hitters in the middle of the lineup. I have to imagine that by 2017 at least Judge will be out hitting Mccann and Arod.

          • Stan

            it will be his rookie campaign… I wouldn’t say that with 100% certainty… look at Boegarts from the red sox… took 2 seasons for him to put it all together.

            • Patrick

              2017 will be Judge’s rookie campaign? He will be the everyday RF starting in 2016

              • Stan

                While Beltrans range on defense has sunk like a stone he isn’t making errors and he if you project his numbers over a full season he’d slash 259/316/432 with 16 homers and 66 rbi.. not great numbers but good enough that if CC isn’t out of the rotation pitching as bad as he is, Yankees won’t pull the plug on Beltran.

                • Wkamm

                  He’s not making errors because he can barely get near a number of catch-able balls. A lawn ornament wouldn’t make any errors either.

                  • Stan

                    Don’t be dissin my lawn gnome

              • RetroRob

                I see him up at some point in 2016, even if it’s initially a job share with Beltran. They won’t turn the keys to RF over to Judge in 2017 without giving him some big league experience and getting a look at him on the MLB level next year. It could happen sooner. Beltran could be injured for a significant length of the season, and while his hitting has rebounded enough since April, that doesn’t mean it won’t collapse next year. Either situation could open the door for more playing time sooner for Judge.

    • Pete22

      Also, the top 5 guys in your lineup will all be 2 years older and further in their decline, while the kids are still developing at the MLB level and not quite at their peak. Didi would be the only guy at his peak. Arod would be gone after 2017

      The rotation as it looks now (which is unlikely) will be CC (last year assuming option vests) , Tanaka (contract year-opt out), Eovaldi (contract year-free agent after season), Pineda (contract year-free agent after season). Warren, Severino. In 2018, its possible only Warren and Severino are left.

      So by 2018, they will need a DH and, 3-4 SP’ers. Its possible some of those spots could he homegrown, also possible Yankees need to acquire them from the FA market

  • Jeremy

    maybe this was already discussed, but realistically how many innings does Severino have left for 2015? pitched 113 last year, so 140? already at 99IP this year. if he pitches great, do they shut him down to save innings as a starter for the playoffs, or just move him to the bullpen and let Nova or CC be the 4th starter?

    • RetroRob

      Cashman said there is no innings limit, or similar words, although I don’t believe him. He lived through the whole Joba Rules nonsense, meaning the media reaction to it, so my guess is he’s saying there is no innings limit and he’ll stick with that story until Severino is shut down, or more likely sent to the pen in September to manage his innings. The best-case scenario is Severino pitches well in August, and flips the ball back to Pineda when he returns in September.

      The “danger” to this approach is if Severino pitches great and the team then views him as a legitimate option for the postseason. How will they handle that situation.

    • LazerTown

      I’d guess he has 40-50 innings left.

  • LazerTown

    Really?
    wasn’t the suggestion last week that it should be traded for Price?

  • cole3244

    the only way yanks can convince other gm’s that the days of over paying are over is to stop. this is a good first step assuming they continue with this policy.

  • Pete22

    The return for Kazmir was pretty light I thought. The top ranked prospect in that deal was a C. Just seemed the Yankees could have been players for him.