Fan Confidence Poll: January 28th, 2013

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Boland: Jeter resumes baseball workouts in Tampa
  • Cris Pengiucci

    Continuing to go with a 7. I think they’ll have a strong chot at the playoffs this season, and of course anything can happen once they’re in. Need to see who progresses in the minors that can have an impact on 2014 and beyond as well as how they round out the team next season (return of A-Rod as well as the production of Jeter & Ichiro could have a significant impart on 2014 as well).

    My largest concern for this season right now is a LH DH. I don’t believe they’ll do anything significant at catcher and they have a few RH OF types on Minor League contracts, so I suspect they’re nearly done there as well. Still need a LH DH though. Anything else they do will be rather insignificant I believe.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      “a strong chot”

      Chot = chance + shot. :-) (obviously a typo).

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Baseline 7. Hairston doesn’t sway me either way, and I’d rather err on the side of prospect-hugging a bit than shipping a bunch of them away for Upton, still understanding Upton’s upside. I still can live with uncertainty better than others.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      I wasn’t sold on Upton either but I kind feel it may have been a missed opportunity since it appears that the Dbacks gave him away pretty cheaply.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Could we have offered equivalent pieces, though?

        I just think the guys we currently value in the minors are worth more to us than to other teams at the moment. My thought is that it won’t take very long for them to be the “MLB-ready” players we hear folks whine about daily on here but, by that time, aren’t we better off seeing how many of them can become regulars for the team? I’ve been on the side of stockpiling versus going all in on one guy for a while now.

        • Blake

          Not really…

          I’m kinda hoping for a reasonable Soriano trade at this point as he seems to be the best fit for a player they can actually aquire without harming the future…..if Theo will be reasonable of course and eat enough money so that it doesn’t complicate the budget significantly for 2014

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I’d love to see the unexpected option none of us have thought of, to be honest.

            • Blake

              That could be nice….Cashman seems to only make traded nobody has considered

              • MannyGeee

                That would be because he does not have star-fckers over him in the front office that would rather make a splash than make a move that is fit for purpose…

                The Yankee FO may have its warts (OK many warts) but NOTHING in comparison to what is happening in Boston. Seriously, how do we know the move Boston is going to make (free agent wise, at least) WEEKS before it happens? Drew, Gonzalez, Lackey, Napoli… Just in the past 5-7 years, they have telegraphed these deals, and not by accident.

                • Blake

                  Their front office leaks like the Titanic

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    ….or Varitek’s vagina.

                    DISCLAIMER: I understand the massively sexist and derogatory nature of utilizing the female anatomy in such a manner and, especially, apologize to my wife, who actually teaches Women and Gender Studies courses. I should know better….but the joke was too good to pass up.

                    • BaltimoreYankee

                      Actually, the joke wasn’t funny at all. And you, sir, are no TSJC.

                    • MannyGeee

                      +1 for the TSJC reference!

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      It plays funnier outside of Baltimore.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      As does life in general.

                    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                      Always love a good vagina joke.

                      Jason Varitek’s Vagina would be a good handle if it isn’t taken already.

        • jjyank

          Yeah, I was on the Upton train, but I certainly understand not pulling that trigger. As far as the package goes, Prado sticks out to me. The Yanks just don’t have that player to offer.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Right, and I think that, no matter what, Arizona still knows the Yanks have Sanchez/Slade/etc and turn around and ask for two of them, at least, anyway. I’m just not enthused at the possibility of draining the farm for Upton. Moot point, of course, and I’ve never submitted my resume for a GM job.

          • LK

            I think that people have been trying to “match” the package given up by the Braves too closely (not necessarily you specifically, but many people I’ve seen discussing the trade). The original trade agreed to with the Mariners really didn’t have any type of Prado-like piece, so I think Towers was really just trying to maximize value and didn’t have certain needs in mind. I think the Yankees could’ve gotten a trade done without giving up a MLB-ready piece; however, since the reports were the D-Backs didn’t like the Yankee prospects too much (who knows if that’s true, but it’s all we have to go on), I’d guess the price was just too steep.

            • jjyank

              Yeah, you’re right. I would imagine that using prospect who are further away, rather than proven MLB talent, would mean the Yankees would have to add more quantity. In theory, anyway. At this point we’re venturing into “drain the farm” territory like R-Tils is saying.

              Anyway, this is all moot now. Let’s just hope that a couple years from now, one or more of those prospects has us saying “Justin…who?”

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Exactly. It just doesn’t work that way. These systems are built differently.

              If the “jewels” of the Yankees system are in the lower minors, and Arizona isn’t high on them to begin with, then they’ll ask for more of them PLUS someone counted on to contribute to the MLB team right now. It’s not “well we substitute Phelps for this guy here and Nunez for this guy here….”

              If we could have gotten Justin Upton for Phelps, Nunez, and one of the single-A guys, I’d driven them myself (why is that not a meme? I digress.) The 2013 version of Melky + IPK plus a prospect wasn’t going to do it, and it’s because Arizona could ask for more pieces from the Yankees that may be worth more to the Yankees than they are to Arizona right now.

              • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                It does concern me somewhat that Arizona isn’t high on the Yankees prospects if that is indeed true since Towers should have a pretty strong intel on the Yankees system after working here. This next group is being heavily counted on in the near future.

                On the other hand, it seems Towers gave away Bauer and Upton for about 50 cents on the dollar so maybe he has his head up his ass.

                • Pat D

                  I think he’s kowtowing to his manager too much. Not sure why, either, it’s not like Gibson is Tony LaRussa.

                  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                    No but he’s like the most gritty manager since Billy Martin though.

                    • Pat D

                      Except that Billy Martin was a much more consistent winner.

                    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                      Maybe besides the grit, Gibson needs to become an alcoholic.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      He just hasn’t found his Ed Whitson yet.

                • jjyank

                  It was a couple years ago, though. I’m not sure how much that means any more.

                • Ted Nelson

                  Too much speculation for it to mean anything, in my opinion.

                  Could be that Towers doesn’t value the Yankees prospects and is right. Could be that he does, but didn’t want OFs and/or a C in return since he’s got Montero and a ton of OFs. Could be that he doesn’t value them and, as you say, has his head up his ass. Could just be that he values the Yankees prospects similarly to Cashman, so didn’t see an arbitrage opportunity that he might have elsewhere.

                  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                    Looking at his return for Bauer and Upton, I really don’t think too highly of Towers acumen at this point. I think he got fleeced twice this winter.

                  • LK

                    I think it pretty much depends on whether the report that the Diamondbacks didn’t like the Yankee prospects is true. If it is, I would say it is somewhat troubling that someone who is more familiar with the Yankees prospects than others outside the organization isn’t a big fan of them (obviously this isn’t a death sentence or anything, particularly given that Towers hasn’t looked especially competent this offseason). All else being equal, you’d prefer for someone with some inside info on the Yanks’ farm to be drooling over it. Too many of these reports turn out to be false for it to be source of any real worry though.

                    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                      That’s pretty much my thinking on the matter too.

                    • RetroRob

                      I think I noted this the other night. Towers worked for the Yankees for about 11 months, and has been gone for nearly 2 1/2 years. What he knew from his late 2009-2010 stay means little when talking prospects, especially since the Yankees best prospects are lower level and were just beginning, or had yet to play a season, when Towers worked with the team.

                      Last, whatever spin from the media, Towers did not say he didn’t like the Yankees prospects. They just weren’t a match.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  It’d concern me more if I wasn’t reading several other pieces on each prospect that do serve to give a more well-rounded view of each.

            • RetroRob

              The assumption among many when they traded Upton was they were “giving up” or rebuilding. Neither was true. They actually have a good team and wanted to maintain that, and indeed they believe they’ve improved their team. They wanted Prado. He fit a need.

              The addition of Prado lowered the overall value in prospects. The Yankees could have totally beat the prospect package of Diamondbacks received, yet many, many teams also could have beat that prospect package. The Diamondbacks were looking for something specific, and the Yankeed didn’t match up. Not sure why that’s hard for some fans to understand.

          • Pat D

            Granderson? I mean, I know the point would be to add Upton to the outfield that includes Grandy, but he’d be closest to Prado in terms of contract.

            • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

              I would have used Granderson as the “Prado” to get Upton though who knows if the Dbacks would have wanted him. You’d be getting a much younger player with several years of control left for someone who’s pretty much a goner after this season. Even if it was a lateral move for 2013, you’d be better off in the future.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Including Granderson wouldn’t have stopped me if it meant dipping less into the minors. I guess that wasn’t really on the table. I’d have taken the lateral move in order to have the younger guy for a few more seasons.

              • Blake

                The Dbacks were trying to shed an outfielder …if Granderson could play 3B and was more gritty maybe

            • RetroRob

              From D’backs perspective, Grandy would be adding yet another OFer. They’re already stacked there. They needed a 3B’man, a tough position to fill. That gets back to the point. The Yankees didn’t have what the D’backs wanted.

  • Robert

    Jeter was at the big European Economic Summit last week. My guess is he was firming up his group to buy the Yankees once he retires……

    • Robinson Tilapia

      European women are fine with smaller gift baskets. More bang for the buck.

      • Pat D

        What’s the genie girl gonna have to say about that?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Have you ever been in a European hotel room? People honestly don’t seem to mind sleeping with their feet up against the wall.

          For kicks, look at European hotel room pics on Tripadvisor sometime.

          • Pat D

            Never been out of the country.

            USA! USA! USA!

            /Duggan’d
            /anti-American heel’d

            • Robert

              Maybe then Jeets was just there for a paid appearence by some Hedge Fund!

              • Austin Aunelowitzky

                He was Pepsi’s invited guest.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              USA, BAH!

              /Ironsheik’d

              • Pat D

                Here’s something to ponder. My friends and I were reminiscing about wrestling past, as we often do when we get together and watch wrestling. We mentioned a few guys who could truly be classified as crazy or at the very least borderline crazy, for different reasons. Included in this discussion were guys like The Ultimate Warrior, Bob Backlund, Kurt Angle, Macho Man, a few others. We totally forgot The Iron Sheik. I feel ashamed.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Jimmy Snuka belongs in the there. He essentially killed his girlfriend. Matt Hardy appears to not be all there from the more recent crop.

                  I don’t know enough about Backlund and never really heard any stories about Savage. Angle just did too many drugs and took too many bumps to the head. At least he’s still alive and hasn’t taken his wife and kid with him.

                  Pro wrestlers, tradtionally, have been scummy, unsavory characters. It’s only been in the past 10-15 years, as guys have both smartened up healthwise AND just seen it as an alternative to straight-up acting, have half these guys felt like someone you’d leave your wallet lying out around.

                  • Pat D

                    Savage’s character was really always so out there and pretty much everyone agrees he could be psychotically jealous and overprotective of Elizabeth and then his later girlfriends.

                    For Backlund, his crazy is along the lines of being wound differently. Supposedly the reason he rejected Hall of Fame requests until this year was because he thought he could have another run. He supposedly keeps himself in tremendous shape. And let’s not forget the things that Mr. Backlund spouted when he “ran for president.”

                    Angle is crazy along the lines of Backlund, but to a different degree. Ever since he went to TNA, Angle has been a lot like the Warrior in that he appeared to buy too much into his own shit.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Elizabeth OD’d while with Lex Luger, not with Randy. :)

                    • Pat D

                      Yea, but that doesn’t mean Savage wasn’t a psycho.

                • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                  How about George “the animal” Steele?

                  Anyone who regularly ate the stuffing out of the turn buckles couldn’t be playing with a full deck.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Wasn’t he also an English teacher at some point? Apparently, he could go from completely normal to in character in a heartbeat and just transform in front of you.

                    We remember the turnbuckle-eating lovable monster, but he was actually a really feared heel for, like 90% of his career…..kind like the Bushwhackers wound up being.

          • yanks61

            I’ve lived and worked in Europe for 28 years. I’ve stayed in hotels all over the continent and not once have I had to sleep with my feet up against the wall. Usually I just put them out the window.

            Hey, compared to the U.S. – or even the UK – they’re usually small. But do you really go to Europe just for the hotel room!

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I have a picture of myself (on FB as well) in the elevator going up to my Paris hotel room a few years ago. If I wasn’t in shape at the time, I may not have fit in it.

              Different standards. It’s all good. I just do sometimes have to play my “American” card, however ambivalent my relationship with it may be at times.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                We used the fuck out of Tripadvisor, looked at B&B’s and, when we could, splurged a bit. We didn’t really have that issue. It was only when we tried to go cheaper in Paris where we found the elevator CC Sabathia wouldn’t have had a prayer of fitting in.

              • Cris Pengiucci

                I had no issue when I was staying at a Berlin hotel on business. Then again, it was a 5-star hotel. :-)

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  That’s the thing. You can definitely get space and some luxuries of home at a 4 or 5 star place anywhere. It’s the more budget-concious places that are clearly conceived differently than what US folks are used to. It ain’t, say, Courtyard by Marriott. :)

          • Austin Aunelowitzky

            A somewhat little known fact is when you check-in, Europeans give the Americans the worst rooms….smallest, noisiest, etc. You always have to go back and demand a different room.

  • Dars

    Travis Hafner, Carlos Lee and Juan Rivera. We could probably tap 2 out of the 3 for a couple of million. Juan Rivera can add competition as the RH outfielder and Hafner or Lee could give the line-up lenght.
    I am Ok with carrying Stewart and Cervelli a catcher if we have a decent DH. You have a strong 1-7 (Jeter-Ichiro-Cano-Tex-Granderson-Youkilis-Lee/Hafner) an easy out in the 8th position and the Gardner as a second lead-off man. We do need to solidify that DH position though. Having Canzler or Diaz hitting in the 7th hole puts two weak links in the line-up back to back……

    • MannyGeee

      I would be OK with Carlos Lee on a flyer. Seems like he could be the heir apparent to the Raul Ibanez seat.

      And hell, Rivera or Haffner on MiLB deals are OK by me too.

      Sign em all, let god….. erm, Girardi sort me out.

  • trr

    I find my lack of faith…disturbing

    • Some Other Rob

      When Dan Johnson counts as one of your largest offseason additions I find it pretty understandable.

      • Herby

        He got my vote up to 6.54

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You’ve reached Step One. Step Two is to forgive yourself for it. Step Three is to make fun of someone else for it.

      • Pat D

        He gets points for the Star Wars reference.

  • CS Yankee

    6… things look quite unexciting with the lumber but the arms appear to be slightly better overall.

    They’ll need some career numbers from Grandy, Cano & Teix to have a shot at best record in the AL. Hard to believe the C position and the lack of power in the corners.

    On the upside, the assets in the minors are being left in place for development. They are still sports best bet (overall brand), its just that this year there might be 8-10 teams better poised for the postseason run.

  • MannyGeee

    Baseline 7, but truth be told I am less nervous about starting the season with this catching tandem than I am about grabbing someone at catcher mid-season and batting all the chips on that.

    I guess the Pudge trade still lingers with me, as I felt he never quite clicked when he got to NY. I always had a suspicion that he had a harder go at adjusting from Aug 1st on as opposed to knowing how the system plays from way back in the spring. Just a theory, nothing to base it on but the smallest of sample sizes and my gut intuition.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Don’t forget the “addtion by subtraction” element of that trade, though. You didn’t have to sit through Kyle Farnsworth the rest of that season.

      • MannyGeee

        I have spent years trying to suppress memories of those super hard, SOOOPER straight 4 seamers getting tattoo’d for 1.5 seasons.

        Thanks for that.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    53 1-3 votes, yet none have commented here. I wonder why.

    • Pat D

      They’d all get ROVP’d?

      • jjyank

        The ROVP Secret Police has already kidnapped them and they are currently awaiting…interrogation.

        • Pat D

          Me likey.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          More likely that they don’t have shit to back up their 1’s and/or Dan Gen owns a lot of smartphones and PCs.

          • Claudell Bronzini

            More likely that they have jobs and don’t have the time to sit around arguing with a bunch of morons circle jerking each other. Get a life.

            • LitFig

              But they have time to log onto the site and vote?

              • Robinson Tilapia

                And come up with zingers like “Claudell Bronzini.”

                Are you from Baltimore?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I don’t have a job. Do you guys?

              • Havok9120

                I’m far too much of an elitist to actually work.

                It’s so….proletarian.

                • Pat D

                  People work for a living?

    • Herby

      They’re all Dalelama

  • Mike HC

    8 … Most confidence points lost due to catcher position. Most confidence points gained due to pitching.

  • Teddy Nelson

    I voted 10 because I couldn’t vote 11

  • steves

    As contradictory as it may seem I think the story about Arod missing the entire season is a confidence raise for me. I am an Arod fan and much rather have a healthy Arod play out his contract as intended. If he is not going to play and insurance kicks in, though, things may get very interesting as I don’t believe the insurance company is just going to hand the Yanks a check or sit idly by when they have subrogation rights (i.e. the insurance company typically succeeds to any “claims” the insured has so they would succeed to the Yanks rights under Arod’s contract to try and void Arod’s contract). To avoid the scrutiny that may result from a fight by or with the insurance company Arod may be willing to work out a settlement where he does not get paid everything he’s owed, and voluntarily retires, giving the Yanks both salary and cap relief and making 189K/2014 less of a problem.

    • LK

      You have to remember, Boras is getting some of that money, too. I can’t believe that he would be amenable to any sort of settlement at all (I’m also skeptical that A-Rod would be – it’s not his fault they signed him to that huge contract, he’s owed the money).

    • Steve

      I doubt that insurance would help with the luxury tax at all. I could be wrong, though. And he definitely won’t be able to take less money. That’s the reason he’s a Yankee and not a Red Sox (Sock?). He tried to restructure his contract and the PA wouldn’t let him.

      • Steve

        Nevermind I see what you’re saying now.

      • steves

        Just to clarify my point the “incentive” for Arod to settle would be to avoid the insurance company digging into his past and really coming up with dirt about PED use AFTER he signed his Yankee contract. If he is totally clean then he has nothing to worry about but, with this latest MLB inquiry, that’s not the way this issue seems to be going.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          That’s quite the assumption coming from someone who described himself as “an Arod fan” in the second sentence of his original comment.

          With fans like this, who needs enemies?

          • steves

            Exactly what Arod said about Reggie by the way. As much as I like Arod I’m not assuming he was a PED user outside of the timeframe he admits to but it wouldn’t surprise me if he has not been fully truthful on this issue. Would it surprise you?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Would it surprised me if he was using PED’s:

              1) As a Yankee, but before the admission? Slightly to yes.

              2) Since the admission? Absolutely yes.

    • A.D.

      Under what situation would the Yanks (or in the scenario you describe the insurance company)be able to void the contract

      • steves

        The legal theory would be based on some kind of fraud in the inducement.

        • A.D.

          I wish one luck on that one.

          • steves

            I don’t disagree with you but the motivator for Arod would not be if he would ultimately prevail but rather if just the threat of a colorable claim would make him nervous enough to want to avoid the process/scrutiny involved.

  • LitFig

    9. Can’t wait for the season to start. The AL East will be a battle, but I think our pitching staff is the best of all 5 teams (starters and bullpen). The offense will have some bumps in the road, but will be good overall. Cano, Tex and Grandy have to pull their weight.

  • Brian in MA (formerly NH)

    No reason to not be 6. they haven’t done anything. The division is looking winnable since Boston, Baltimore and Tampa haven’t really made huge moves, and even though Toronto has made a big splash, you have to remember that a lot of those guys they got in that trade were part of that terrible Marlins team. Still have only subtracted, not added anything.

  • OMG Bagels!

    I love our pitching staff but they were the only ones that showed for the playoffs last year. Offense went dead. I think I’m still pissed about that. We had the team to go all the way and the offense forgot to show up.

    I’m on the fence about losing Swisher, but he was such a baby last year after the playoffs. He doesn’t mind when he’s the toast of the town but doesn’t like it when his stock goes down. Good luck in Cleveland.

    I don’t see them being a championship caliber team this year but then again, weirder things have happened. I hope Cashman figures a few things out by deadline but I’d like to know what the hell the options are.

    Youk is pinstripes is going to be weird weird weird.