Fan Confidence Poll: August 29th, 2011

Bats come back to life in second game of doubleheader
Complaining about three games in three cities on two coasts in three days

Record Last Week: 2-4 (44 RS, 38 RA)
Season Record:
79-52 (683 RS, 492 RA, 86-45 pythag. record), 2.0 games back in AL East, 6.5 up for wildcard
Opponents This Week:
@ Orioles (one game, Mon.), @ Red Sox (three games, Tues. to Thurs.), vs. Blue Jays (three games, Fri. to Sun.)

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Please take a second to answer the poll below and give us an idea of how confident you are in the team. You can view the Fan Confidence Graph anytime via the nav bar above, or by clicking here. Thanks in advance for voting.

Given the team's current roster construction, farm system, management, etc., how confident are you in the Yankees' overall future?
Bats come back to life in second game of doubleheader
Complaining about three games in three cities on two coasts in three days
  • CP

    The O’s did not want to play a doubleheader on Friday to preemptively make up an inevitable rain out, so the two teams instead played a pair on Sunday and will make up another game in September.

    Let me get this straight. The Orioles were concerned about gate revenue from the rescheduled game, so thy decided a day game after school starts would be a better bet than a Friday in late August. How does that make any sense?

    • Billy Pilgrim

      They wanted it to be a night game which would have been unacceptable with us flying west. Someone ended up making it a day game and the Yankees removed their complaints. Not sure if MLB got involved or what, but the O’s wanted to play the makeup game at night.

    • AndrewYF

      Just more proof of the utter incompetence of the Orioles franchise. As if we needed any.

  • LarryM.,Fl.

    I still believe the Yanks are 8+ even with the speed bumps during the A’s and O’s series. The team is attempting to get healthy in the process. Girardi is coming to some decisions on his rotation. The bats seemed to turn on and off like an old car which I’m concerned about. Its my believe that the Yanks with some decent SR pitching can go all the way (hate that phrase) by pounding the baseball and a very good relief staff.

    Nunex is playing better in the field. Jones’ bat is picking up. Still excited about Cashman’s no moves as ever. Saving the prospects for development and or trades during the winter.

    Now, if Burnett could fine it against Boston. Now this would be ideal.

    • Ted Nelson

      “The bats seemed to turn on and off like an old car”

      Volatility is part of a 162 games baseball season… A team that averages 5 runs/game doesn’t just score 5 runs every game like clockwork. Unless you have evidence the Yankees’ offense is more volatile than usual, I wouldn’t get concerned.

      • JimIsBored (Jim S)


        I hate, hate, hate the prevailing attitude among some people that the Yankees offense is historically inconsistent.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Regardless of what the paranoid few on here think we are a lock to make the playoffs. I’m still at a 9 but I’m sure many will be lower because of the recent slump. Every team goes through these peaks and valleys. Remember when the Sox dropped 2/3 to Pittsburgh and San Diego? It’s all about making the playoffs and giving yourself a shot and they’ve done that. Grandy MVP, Nova ROY.

  • A.D.

    What was the deal with the Orioles tribute? They were going to do it Saturday during one of the planned double header games?

  • MattG

    I’m at a low point with this team right now. The starting pitching is crumbling before our very eyes, and I have no confidence in Girardi to do anything but the safe thing come playoff time. Not that it matters, because it’s not like he has the starting pitching equivalent of Brandon Belt he’s refusing to play. I think I know what Ivan Nova is, and if that is your second starter in a playoff series, it does not sound like you’re poised for a deep run.

    • Ted Nelson

      They got 7+ IP 3 ER and 7.2 IP 2 ER the past two games… CC’s last start he gave them 7.1 IP 3 ER. Garcia gave them 5 IP 1 ER against the Red Sox last time out.

      Your definition of “crumbling” seems very odd. Nothing appears to have changed. Burnett has stunk for a while, and Hughes has been on and off all season.

      • MattG

        Please don’t refute my argument with SSS…nay, statistics from single games. The Yankees’ starting pitchers have a 5.44 ERA (4.14 FIP) in August, after a 3.29 ERA (3.19 FIP) in July. I think many agree ‘crumbling’ is aptly descriptive.

        Here’s another interesting tidbit, of which I was aware, but not to the full extent. All of the downturn can be credited to home runs, as the xFIP has actually improved (3.40 in August, 3.62 in July). This is not good news, however, as the Yankees, being just second in the league in fewest home runs allowed, were do for a regression in that area.

        • JimIsBored (Jim S)

          Oh the irony of yelling at someone’s SSS and then posting one of your own.

          • MattG

            Not sure if 25 and 27 games of data is so much of a SSS, but I do know it is a lot more data than 1 game.

            And besides, my point is that the starting pitching has deteriorated, not that it sucks and can’t recover. 25 games is certainly enough evidence to back that assertion, while 1 game is not nearly enough to refute it.

            On whether it might recover or not, we can go case-by-case, but that’s another topic.

            • Kosmo

              So far NY is I believe 15-10 for the month of August with 3 or 4 games remaining. Granted the pitching has been inconsistent for a couple of weeks and one would hope for a lights out performance from CC sometime soon but overall nothing much to complain about.

            • Ted Nelson

              My point is exactly that you are looking at 1 game or 1 pitcher samples by looking at the average for 25 or 27 games. 25 is a small enough same that a few outlier observations will drastically alter your results.

              The reason people talk about small samples being unreliable is the volatility vs. the underlying population. Say that if he pitches 100 games, CC will have 25 amazing starts, 25 bad starts, and 50 good starts. You cannot look at a given 5 game sample and decide that this is who CC is over 100 games. There is too much volatility.

              This is what I’m saying you are doing. Looking at 2 bad starts by CC and Colon, one bad start by Hughes and Nova, and only one start by Garcia due to a non-serious injury plus a terrible AJ Burnett and decide that represents the underlying population rather than simply being some bad luck of bad starts coincidentally popping up close to one another.

        • Ted Nelson

          Please read and comprehend my comment.

          My point is exactly that you are looking at a small sample.

          Here is a ERA by pitcher in August:

          Burnett: 11.92
          Hughes: 3.47 (1.37 through 3 starts, 20.30 his last start)
          Garcia: 1.80
          CC: 4.70
          Colon: 4.85
          Nova: 3.82

          CC and Colon had a couple of bad starts each, that they have since recovered from. Hughes had literally one bad (awful) start. Nova had one bad start in the middle of the month. Those are what we call small samples. And other than Hughes, all have since bounced back with better efforts.

          You are looking at Burnett and a hand-full of bad starts from CC, Colon, Hughes, and Nova. Small sample. Not “crumbling.”

          • MattG

            You are confusing me with an impatient fan that goes of at a hint of trouble. You do not realize the amount of thought I’ve put into this opinion.

            25-27 starts is a reasonably good sample, especially when compared to itself. The Yankees’ pitched better in July. This isn’t all that debatable, unless you believe in xFIP (I don’t).

            Yet, there are more data points, which improves the sample size, i.e. Colon did not pitch at all in 2010, and a demise is fully anticipated. Similar concerns exist for Garcia. Hughes swings and misses are what caused his fall 2010 to suck, and this continues to plague him.

            I suppose if it is best if I defend my statement case-by-case:

            In CC’s case, no concern at all. He’s given up a few home runs–minor blip.

            Colon–well, that might not be a slump, right? The fastball command is off, the announcers tell me it doesn’t have the same zip (although the radar gun doesn’t necessarily agree, maybe a little). Will he get it back?

            Garcia–He’s the same guy as last year, yet last year he was roughly league average. The only warning factors here are this: his HR/9 is way below his career norm (.66, 1.06), and no one thought he was more than a 5th starter four months ago.

            Hughes–He’s got a 3.47 ERA? He also had a 25/14 BB/K ratio before that A’s effort the other night. 25Ks in 41.1 innings is not impressive, and not conducive to a high confidence level. Yes, I’m ignoring the 5Ks/0BB line versus the A’s (how did he do that while giving up 7 runs in 2.2 anyway?)

            Nova–new slider. Back-to-back starts, 10 Ks followed by 0 Ks. I do have confidence in Nova, but more so over 25 starts, and not on a start-to-start basis. If he’s the Yankees’ 4th starter in the playoffs, I would be thrilled. He’s probably as qualified as any for the second game. That is the problem.

            The original thought is pretty simple: the Yankees’ starting pitching has been worse, and this has me concerned. Could it be a little blip? Sure, but that’s not necessarily what’s going on, is it? It’s a confidence poll, and if you are as equally confident in the Yankees’ starting pitching today as you were on July 29th, you’re not paying attention.

            • Ted Nelson

              You clearly haven’t put much thought into it.

              You have not done enough thinking to look into why their ERA is higher, and that’s my point. Burnett has been AWFUL in August. ERA of 12. That’s one of 6 guys, though, not a “crumbling” rotation. One crumbling career that’s been crumbling for almost 2 seasons now.
              CC had two bad starts where he allowed 5 and 7 ERs. He’s had two 3 ER efforts since. Similar story for Colon.

              Garcia has only made 1 start in August and it was a 5 IP 1 ER effort against the Red Sox. If you really have done a lot of thinking and come to the conclusion that Garcia is “crumbling” then I don’t know what to tell you.

              You don’t “believe” in xFIP, yet you site Garcia’s HR/9 as a fluke? That’s contradictory. I think it’s more a case of not knowing what xFIP is than of “not believing in it.”

              Again… crumblING implies that something has changed for the worse and will only worsen. The evidence doesn’t show that.

              • MattG

                “Again… crumblING implies that something has changed for the worse and will only worsen. The evidence doesn’t show that.”

                I suppose that’s true, and no, I am not saying it can’t improve. But what has happened recently was always within the realm of expectations, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Hughes, Colon and Garcia will not contribute to a championship season in 2011. You seem to be pooh-pooing my evidence in favor of results from single games, which is not convincing at all.

                As for Garcia’s K/9, he has a career of 1.06, and he has a Short Sample Size of .66. You do understand that 2011, when compared with his career, is a short sample, right? So maybe he’s found a way to prevent home runs, while having his K rate and fly ball rate both worsen, but I wouldn’t count on it!

                I don’t believe in xFIP because it normalizes everyone’s HR rate, implying that starting pitchers really control the outcome of a flyball. There isn’t sufficient evidence to support that theory, IMO. Comparing Freddy Garcia’s 2011 HR/9 rate vs. his career HR/9 rate has virtually nothing to do with his xFIP.

                • Ted Nelson

                  I am not saying that Colon, Garcia, and Nova will all share in the Cy Young for September (if such a thing existed). I am not taking the opposite viewpoint as you. I am saying that you are on the extreme and need to come back to the middle, not saying I am on the opposite extreme from you.

                  Just about anything is in the realm of possibility. That doesn’t mean one bad stretch should cause us to decide the sky is falling.

                  If Garcia gives up HRs at a slightly higher rate from now on (which may or may not happen), that does not mean that the rotation is cooked and the Yankees can’t possibly have a good showing in the playoffs.

                  That has EVERYTHING to do with xFIP, which is why I don’t think you understand the stat. It does exactly what you are doing with Garcia. It says that Garcia DOES NOT control fly balls or the ballpark he’s in or the fielders behind him, and that even though he’s only giving up 0.66 HR/9 that is not sustainable. Therefore, it normalizes HR-rates. I’m not sure what you’re saying about xFIP assuming pitchers control what happens to a fly ball. It says the exact opposite. Which is true for the ballpark factor as much as anything… there are some no-doubters in any ball park, but there are some lazy fly balls in one park that are HRs in another… or shots that aren’t HRs in a huge park but are just about anywhere else… xFIP doesn’t think pitchers should be rewarded and penalized based on the ballpark they are in or a gust of wind that moves a flyball in or out.

                  By the way, xFIP has proven to be a better predictor of future ERA than FIP or ERA itself… which is why I don’t see how you “don’t believe” in it if you have a working knowledge of it (which again you do not seem to). I certainly do not think FIP or xFIP are perfect stats… but based on your comments about Garcia I would think you’d be more favorable to xFIP.

                  • MattG

                    “implying that starting pitchers really control the outcome of a flyball.”

                    I wrote that wrong. xFIP implies starting pitchers don’t control the outcome of a flyball. The reason I don’t find this realistic is the lack of a Voros McCracken-like essay explaining why this is useful. xFIP seems to be more of an exercise, and when compared with FIP, helps explain what happened, rather than being predictive of what will happen. Any correlation would have to have a large deviation, as in my experience xFIPs are always much more widespread than FIP in both directions.

                    I’ll give one extreme example I stumbled upon recently: Kevin Millwood currently sports a 5.38 FIP, 4.26 ERA and 3.86 xFIP. xFIP would actually have you believe he’s pitched pretty well, but our understanding of Kevin Millwood instead would have us believe that he’s not going to get his homer prone ways under control, and he’s not long for baseball. All xFIP tells us is that it is the home runs that are killing him, but we’d be foolish to think he will pitch better once his hr rate ‘normalizes.’

                    I am not using xFIP in any evaluation of Freddy Garcia. Much like I cited the stat for the Yankees’ staff, all xFIP helps us with is explain why something happened. According to xFIP, the Yankees’ as a whole pitched a little better in August than they did in July, but FIP tells us they were a lot worse, therefore we understand the issue was with home runs. xFIP can’t tell us if they were giving up too few before, or too many just now, but we can use other data points to come to an opinion about that.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      “xFIP seems to be more of an exercise, and when compared with FIP, helps explain what happened, rather than being predictive of what will happen.”

                      Again… xFIP has been shown to be a BETTER predictor than either FIP or ERA. Not sure why you keep ignoring that. You keep saying the opposite based on your observation, when other people have literally studied it.

                      FIP is meant to describe what did happen, while xFIP is meant to account more for what should have happened (in terms of HRs).

                      While I agree that pitchers control fly balls to some extent, ballpark and wind factors are out of their control.

                      “I’ll give one extreme example I stumbled upon recently”

                      Looking for outliers is not the way to determine a rule. Waste of your time and mine to cite that example. It’s not a [perfect stat is not the same thing as it’s not useful or it’s worse than other stats because I said so in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

                      “I am not using xFIP in any evaluation of Freddy Garcia.”

                      You are using the principle on which xFIP is based… and if you understood the stat I think you’d see that. You are normalizing his HR-rate. That is what xFIP does. If you don’t believe xFIP is useful, it’s hard to say that Garcia’s HR-rate is unsustainable.

                      “FIP tells us they were a lot worse, therefore we understand the issue was with home runs. xFIP can’t tell us if they were giving up too few before, or too many just now”

                      Again… I think your understanding of what xFIP is and what it is attempting to describe is off.

                    • MattG

                      Two things:

                      I wrote “the lack of a Voros McCracken-like essay explaining why this is useful.” You wrote there are such studies. Do you know of any, because I’ve never seen them. You say its proven, but I don’t have the proof. FIP is based off of McCracken’s work, for which there is plenty of supporting evidence.

                      Second, you wrote “You are using the principle on which xFIP is based… and if you understood the stat I think you’d see that.” I understand very well what xFIP is. It normalizes home runs against the league. This is not similar to normalizing performance against the individual’s previous performance, like, at all. Freddy Garcia has a 1.06 HR/9 rate in > 2000 big league innings. That has nothing to do with xFIP–hell, I’m not even using HR/FB. He has a .66 HR/9 in 122 innings in 2011. I am comparing him to himself, not the league.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Here’s a link to some explanation by the guy who came up with xFIP. I do not have a link to an objected study off-hand. Everything I’ve read is that xFIP is the best predictor of future ERA among ERA, FIP, and xFIP. To show which is better all you’d have to do is run some simple multi-variate regressions.


                      Comparing him to the league or himself is using the same PRINCIPLE. Comparing him to some baseline.

                    • Ted Nelson
                    • MattG

                      I find it hard to believe xFIP is better than FIP. Pardon my skepticism, as most of the people I read tend to cite FIP, and I am pretty sure I read the Keith Law panned xFIP.

          • Tom

            His point is clear enough and one not to be refuted by this statistics game.

            Beware Statistically-Generated Illusions!!

            If one WATCHES the games with as much–indeed, MORE–care than one pores over Baseball, it has been clear for a while that the Yankees are not sitting very pretty for the playoffs, not with this staff.

            Yeah, Colon did well enough against … well: Baltimore. Baltimore is not Boston/Texas/LA/Detroit. Lately, Colon had been showing signs of trouble.

            CC vs Boston? That’s one where you have to bet against CC these days.

            Hughes against these teams is high-risk.

            AJ against them needs kevlar. Both guys seem to be walking wounded by reference to the self-confidence-swagger ratio (a top-secret statistic known only to the most inside of baseball insiders).

            How confident are you in Freddy and Young Nova? It’s entirely rational NOT to be very confident. I’m certainly not. (Well, a bit more confident in the grown-up Freddy.)

            Good enemy pitching will inevitably take some of the shine off the Yankee hitters in the sense that we won’t be able to expect big home run games from them. And some of those Yankee hitters are more susceptible to good playoff pitching than others (e.g., Swisher, maybe Teixeira).

            That means the Yankees’ staff must be competitively good, not the band of wonderful overachievers they’ve been during the regular season.

            • JimIsBored (Jim S)

              Life is sad when you think someone’s comment is sarcastic when it insults baseball ref, and then you realize it’s serious, and actually believes that those of us using fangraphs/baseball ref don’t watch the games too.

              Using both sources of information >>> using only your eyes.

              • Tom

                But knowing when one source of information can be misleading is better yet. No one said that it was wrong to consult or that consultants of the site didn’t watch the games, where “watch” is understood too literally. The cap’ing of “WATCH” was a short hand that meant something like this: there is a time when your eyes (as the gateway to your common sense) are more valuable than the statistics with which all true baseball fans always routinely consult.

                • Ted Nelson

                  You are really lecturing people when your entire comment totally ignored the context and made an irrelevant point (if “I know this rotation can’t handle the post-season because I’ve seen it with my eyes and I say so” can even be considered a point)?

                  The initial point was that the rotation is “crumbling.” Saying that you don’t believe this rotation can handle the playoffs because you’ve seen it with your own eyes does nothing to prove that point. It does not even address that point. That you don’t like this rotation does not mean it is crumbling.

                  You come across looking like a fool who does not understand the discussion in the first place. That’s about all you accomplished as far as I can tell. No one was even talking about advanced stats besides the guy you were defending. I did not consult B-R once… not once. Yet you decided to fly off on a tangent about how people need to watch the games. Totally out of leftfield and oaktag-able. Get with it.

            • Ted Nelson

              Do you understand the difference between a rotation in which you don’t have confidence and a rotation that is crumbling? From your comment it certainly appears that you do not.

              My entire point is that MattG is not examining the stats. He is saying that the staff-wide ERA has jumped. He has not acknowledged that this is due largely to AJ’s ridiculously bad month. Plus a couple of bad starts from CC and Colon which they have since recovered from. (By the way, since about a month or two into the season, every single time Colon has a bad starts people call for the yaaamulance because they think his season is over… these concerns are nothing new.) One really bad start from Hughes, and the jury is certainly still out there. With 6 starters plus Warren and Noesi going into the playoffs where you only need 3-3.5 starters… one starter falling apart is not the same as the rotation crumbling.

              Your concerns about the rotation are not something that’s emerged in August… hence, not crumbl-ing. You don’t believe they can perform in the playoffs. That’s not due to their August performance. I’m quite sure you would have said the same thing coming into August.

              Crumbling implies a downward trend which will continue into the future.

              • MattG

                Hughes has had more than one bad start. His results have masked the fact that he hasn’t pitched very well, and his biggest issue–missing bats–hasn’t changed.

                Why do you poo-poo the concerns about Colon? Do you have evidence that would suggest the concerns are overblown? It seems to me that the concerns are very legitimate.

                Garcia has had a brilliant 4 1/2 months, which appears to have been fueled by a little better strikeout rate, better defense, and a fluky HR/9 rate. He may be due for a regression in HR/9.

                I wrote ‘crumbling.’ I was being dramatic. Let’s instead say its been bad, and it’s not just Burnett. None, outside of Nova, experienced a ‘good’ August, ergo, it must have been bad.

                • Ted Nelson

                  I still think that you need to consider context. Two bad starts by Colon and CC in the middle of the month is not a trend.

                  Hughes: one bad start in August. One starter having a terrible season does not mean the rotation is “crumbling.” Chances are Hughes is not a playoffs starter. He had a very good August in the context of his 2011 season.

                  Colon: Concerns are not the same as assuming he will fall apart. He may fall apart. He may not. His chances of falling apart are probably greater than CC’s (for example), but that doesn’t mean it is inevitable and will happen.
                  Since like May every single bad start by Colon has been followed by a “he’s done” yaaamulance. He keeps coming back and getting it done, though.

                  Garcia: And he may not. Your speculation on what may or may not happen in the future is not the same as it actually happening.

                  Saying that you question their pitching staff is not the same as saying that you are at a low-point with the team and think their rotation is crumbling. If you want to question them and speculate about what might happen, ok. But it’s when you start acting like your expectations are inevitable that I have a problem with it.

                  • MattG

                    I question the pitching staff and I am at a low point for the season. I don’t like the prospects for the post-season. Sorry I used the word ‘crumbling,’ leading to such a different interpretation of my comments.

            • David, Jr.

              I have confidence in both Garcia and “young Nova”, who has a 3.82 ERA in his last ten starts.

              I am at 8.5. I see a very strong offense, a very strong defense, depth, speed, and great relief pitching.

              The starting pitching is good, not great, but you have no perspective about it at all. You say watch the games rather than cite stats. You likely watched Colon looking good yesterday. You denigrate that because it was against Baltimore. If he hadn’t looked good against Baltimore, you would have likely said “He even looked bad against Baltimore!”

    • Frigidevil

      You do realize we’re pretty much in the playoffs right?

  • Yazman
  • Blake

    This week is critical. To solidify our playoff hopes of assuring the Rays don’t catch us, we need to go 4-3 at least. If we can’t even if we make the playoffs, we are not going far and Cashman needs to be packing!

    • Ted Nelson

      Is this a serious comment?

    • TLVP

      yeah because how we do in 7 games this week definatly determine the outcome of any play off games in October. That is net, we might even cancel the play offs and simply award the World Series to whichever of the 8 play off teams that does best over teh next 7 days.

      Oh, no that won’t work because of the lack of box office revenues for the involved teams. But otherwise it makes perfect sense.

  • A.D.

    Given the pressure Yanks fans put on Yans – Sox games, the tightness in the division, and the arms the Yanks are throwing, could be an ugly mid-week series in the comments section

    • Ted Nelson

      Probably will have plenty of odd comments, but CC goes against Lackey and Burnett goes against Miller.

      • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

        Burnett Vs. Miller ? What is the record for the most runs ever scored in a game at Fenway?

        • boogie down

          72 — it was a rain-shortened game in ’22 between the Red Sox and the Beans, and neither starter had all five fingers on his pitching hand, thus the bloated final score of 39-33, Beans.

      • Mike Axisa
        • theyankeewarrior

          The Sox lined up Beckett and Lester to face us? Who would have thunk it????

          It’s almost like using your best starters/players against the team you’re competing for playoff position with is a good idea.

          • Mike Axisa

            The Yankees have been lining up their best starters against the Red Sox all season and have lost anyway.

            • CP

              They really haven’t. The Yankees have pretty much stayed on rotation (I think they skipped CC once to line him up) and take their chances with whoever comes up.

            • theyankeewarrior

              We’re tossing out two pitchers with drifting fastballs and 5+ ERA’s and the only reason CC is starting in this series is because of Irene.

              It’s not the end of the world, just stating the fact that Lester and Beckett are lined up every series vs. us and the Yankees are more like: Pitch CC? mehh whatevs.

          • CP

            Or that the Red Sox are paranoid and overly focused on the Yankees, while the Yankees are just concerned about the Yankees.

            • BaseballFan07

              Which has resulted in a 2-10 record against the Red Sox. Wonder whose theory is working better.

              • CP

                And it’s resulted in a 77-42 record against everyone else, compared to Boston’s 72-49.

                So who’s theory is working better?

                (Not to mention that the Yankees are 0-4 when their best starter starts against the Red Sox, so how big a difference would juggling the rotation make?)

                • Ted Nelson

                  But… but… everything the Yankees do is wrong and they are all idiots. Didn’t you know that? No matter what they do, we as fans need to complain about everything that doesn’t work out the way we wanted.

  • steve s

    Frustrating week on and off the field. Voted an 8 because I do see the wins and losses, even against bad teams, as just part of the ebb and flow of a 162 game sched. Saying that the Yanks are a “lock” for the post-season, though, is a bit of whistling past the graveyard wishful thinking. The Rays are not going away with that pitching. Piching AJ in Bos on Thursday is a ridiculous decision especially since the rosters can be expanded on that date and Yanks can afford to use a combo of rookies and bullpen guys to get through that game. Be creative and take a shot because even if there is a small chance of a combo of rookies/bullpen guys working that’s better than going with AJ which has a 0 chance of working.

    • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

      I think one thing the Yanks haven’t said is they know they will rely more on Freddy going forward and maybe they don’t want the Sox to see Freddy’s stuff again (since he relies more than most on deception) until a possilbe ALCS matchup. They won’t see AJ in the postseason so no worries if they see him in Boston this week.

    • Kosmo

      AJ will have a very short leash, if he gives up runs early on he´ll be yanked ASAP.
      I agree Desmond has given Tampa a shot in the arm and their SP has been outstanding.

    • MattG

      This is a good example of not doing the safe thing, which is for what I am beginning to loathe Girardi. 40 man roster issues notwithstanding, they should throw some combination of Warren, Noesi and others at the Sox instead of Burnett.

      Why is Burnett receiving countless opportunities again? This is an organization that believes in winning, still, right?

      • Kosmo

        I don´t think throwing an inexperienced pitcher like Warren into the fire is anymore a sound idea than watching AJ implode.

        • MattG

          Maybe not. I would like to see Noesi get a start instead of Burnett. I don’t like that Burnett is not accountable for his performance. Maybe he is the only player that is not accountable.

          • Mike Axisa

            How is he not accountable? He stands and answers every single question asked both before and after his starts. Burnett is many things, but not accountable is definitely not one of them.

            • MattG

              He still starts. This needed to be explained?

              • Mike Axisa

                So the team leaving him in the rotation is Burnett’s fault? Sounds like you’re the one that needs something explained to them.

                • MattG

                  This would be annoying if it were just some random schmoe, but this chaps me more since it comes from an author on the site.

                  You’re reading comprehension in this instance really failed you. Either that, or you’re in such a hurry to assume I’ll attack Burnett’s character that you’re not reading what I wrote at all.

                  I want the team to demote him, because he should be held accountable for pitching poorly. He should be pitching out of the bullpen.

                  I couldn’t give a crap if he’s accountable to the media. He’s not being held accountable for winning, and that’s an issue. This isn’t Pittsburgh. Perform on the field, or lose your role.

                  I have no problem with Burnett’s character. Check out this:

                  • Mike Axisa

                    I don’t like that Burnett is not accountable for his performance. Maybe he is the only player that is not accountable.

                    How is that supposed to sound like you’re not taking a shot at Burnett?

                    • MattG

                      So you didn’t read this sentence, then?

                      “Why is Burnett receiving countless opportunities again? This is an organization that believes in winning, still, right?”

  • Scully

    Do people vote 1 just to be dicks?

    • Jimmy

      No, they really think the Yankees are that bad.

  • Duke

    Anyone got word yet on who will be getting sent down for Freddy?

  • Trueblue

    The O’s, Showalter and the rest of the Front Office can all go screw.

    1. Granderson is one of the more well respected guys in the game, if he says the Yanks weren’t consulted prior to the unilateral decision than I have to believe him.
    2. The O’s steadfast refusal to play a DH on Friday (like the Marlins did the day before) was a bush league move. Don’t whine about the hurricane when you had the opportunity to move the game up and be PROACTIVE.. Dicks.
    3. Showalter- get off the soapbox about how we needed to be more respectful of Flannigan. Have a tasteful ceremony of your choosing (not trying to sound callous here), but a guy who kills himself should be the reason for impacting the playing of a schedule in a reasonable manner.

    The O’s are so far removed from October baseball they have no idea what stripping a day off can do. Enjoy the extra gate assholes.

  • Jesse

    People who vote 1 on the confidence level should be blocked from the site, this is ridiculous. I’ve been at 8 most of the time, with a couple times at 7 and maybe once or twice at 9.