Fan Confidence Poll: November 25th, 2013

Weekend Open Thread
Feinsand: Yankees, Beltran have mutual interest; contract years an issue

2013 Season: 85-77 (637 RS, 671 RA, 77-85 pythag. record), didn’t qualify for playoffs

Top stories from last week:

  • The Yankees made their first major move of the offseason this weekend by agreeing to sign catcher Brian McCann to a five-year contract worth $85M. The deal includes a vesting option for a sixth year that could push the total value to $100M. McCann must still pass a physical before the contract is official. Needless to say, this is an enormous upgrade.
  • In addition to McCann, the Yankees agreed to re-sign Brendan Ryan to a one-year pact worth $1-2M and acquired infielder Dean Anna from the Padres in a minor swap. Anna, Slade Heathcott, Gary Sanchez, Bryan Mitchell, Shane Greene, and Jose Campos were all added to the 40-man roster and protected from the Rule 5 Draft. Corban Joseph was outrighted off the 40-man and accepted his assignment to Triple-A Scranton.
  • Targets Jhonny Peralta and David Freese signed with the Cardinals and were traded to the Angels, respectively, so they are no longer options for New York. The Yankees did indicate a willingness to offer Peralta a four-year pact in the $52M range before he hooked on with St. Louis. They weren’t in on Carlos Ruiz before he re-upped with the Phillies.
  • Among the players New York showed interest in last week are Matt Kemp, Joe Nathan, and Raul Ibanez. Curtis Granderson remains a “serious part” of the team’s offseason plans. The Yankees still have offers out even after signing McCann but they don’t have much interest in Matt Garza or Ubaldo Jimenez.
  • Robinson Cano‘s camp called a meeting with the Mets’ brass, apparently in an effort to drum up some leverage. The Yankees have said they won’t wait around for Cano. The Dodgers and Marlins are not in the mix for Cano.
  • The appeal of Alex Rodriguez‘s record 211-game suspension concluded on Thursday, the day after he stormed out of the room and declared the proceedings a “farce.” A ruling may not come until January.
  • The Yankees reportedly plan to spend big on international free agents during next summer’s signing period.

Please take a second to answer the poll below and give us an idea of how confident you are in the team. You can view the interactive Fan Confidence Graph anytime via the nav bar above, or by clicking here. Thanks in advance for voting.

Weekend Open Thread
Feinsand: Yankees, Beltran have mutual interest; contract years an issue
  • Bavarian Yankee

    still a 6. I’ll go up to 8 if they screw the austerity budget plan.

    • Pseudoyanks

      I voted 6 too not so much because of the addition of the specific player (McCann), but moreso because of the signal the signing of that player might be sending…

    • http://Yes Richard

      The McCann signing signals business as usual, it also sigmals another 200 million or more payroll and no world series championships in the near future, I guess I’ll root for the Cardinals, because they r thrifty in their spending, and they build from within.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Perhaps this is a temporary blip in the world of my baseline 6/7, but I’m pretty feeling pretty sky-high after the McCann signingn and bumped up to a 9 this week. Thus far, from what we’ve seen, this is exactly how I wanted them to handle the off-season. They’ve been aggressive, they’re going after who they want, and they’re not waiting around. I love how they’ve met Robbie’s attempts at pressure with greater pressure on their end, even though negotiations are my LEAST favorite part of baseball. There’s clearly a bigger plan in place that fans aren’t seeing yet and, ultimately, that plan will tell the tale as to whether we should remain sky high in our excitement over 2014.

    • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

      Yeah, I’m probably just about there with you looking at 2014. The long term is what’s holding me at 7.

    • BM

      If you have a 9 confidence in a team with one of the worst offenses in the game last year with current holes at 2B, 3B, OF, SS, a team that is missing two reliable starters and a closer, a team with no MLB ready prospects, you might need a reality check.

      • Robinson TIlapia

        Thanks, mom.

        Also, mom, learn to read.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead


      • BamBamMusings

        I went from 5 to 7 on the McCann signing alone. That was huge along with a Ryan addition to back up Jeter. Quite honestly, I’d rather have the super D Ryan brings over Peralta or Drew.

        Also, if they dont resign Cano, it may not even affect my confidence negatively. Saving close to 30 mil a year and not dealing with another aging overpriced superstar builds confidence in management for sure.

        • Lets go Yankees

          Agreed. I don’t know what the uproar in Perlata is? Or Drew for that matter. And Aging Deflated Peralta or a drew for 4/5 years is nuts..

          The McCann signing is excellent! Not only from an offensive production, but moreso as a clubhouse / attitude guy. The team looked flatter this year, moreso than ever before. Probably thanks to the ARod fiasco. But still. Attitude goes a long way.

          Now if only we can sign some P…

          • Albearrrr

            2 point increase for me to a 6 maybe 7. Losing Cano will bring the confidense down though. Unless he signs for over 8 years at 30 mil. Than I really cant blame them..

    • nycsportzfan

      I brought my choice up to a 6 from a 4.. I like the McCann move and i can see the yanks are gonna end up having the overall grades doing nothing but going up as you said, they are being agressive and not accepting of the non playoff yankee club of last yr. But untill the moves are actually made, i can only go up to a 6 because untill upgrades are made, they aren’t made. McCann and Brendan Ryan is a nice start though.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        The train of thought matters more to be than the number. Sounds like we’re thinking the same here.

    • http://Yes Richard

      Yeah be happy with another crappy team, that can’t catch or hit the baseball, another over the hill bunch of hasbeens looking to make their last paycheck a great one, that’s why I am not rooting for the New York Steinbrenners, this is not the Yankees, it’s the Steinbrenners, I will go root for a real baseball team with a great history, and one that knows how to win World Series too.

  • TWTR

    5. It is too early to be too high or too low.

  • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

    Baseline 7.

    McCann signing is a definite upgrade. That and rumors of other activity possibly indicate the end of 189.

    Confidence for 2014 by itself definitely trending upward. Rodriguez suspension upheld for at least a season will push it even higher.

    • http://Yes Richard

      No the signing or Mc Cann signals the end of championships for the New York Steinbrenners, not the Yankees, the Yankees were a tradition rich team, but not anymore, now they r known as the Steinbrenners, I will go root for the St Louis Cardinals, a team rich in tradition, history, and championships, and doesn’t spend like drunken sailors either, they build from within, so dummies go root for a bunch of overpaid bums, that can’t hit, throw, catch or play the game anymore, I see more 4th place finnishes, and last place finnishes for this garbage organization, I have burned my fan card of this team.

  • I’m One

    With the McCann signing, I’m at an 11.

    Seriously, that’s a nice first step. They still need pitching, but I like that they’ve filled one hole this early in the offseason. Not quite sure what this means for Cano, but I hope he and his team come to the table quickly and come to agreement on a new contract. Looks like the Yankees FO is serious about not waiting around. Overall, a good strategy even if it means Cano doesn’t get re-signed. I’d rather they be in control than wait around to see what Robbie does, then try to make moves when a lot of the top players have already been signed.

    • Robinson Tilapia


      Chad had an excellent write-up over on LoHud this morning as to, while being frugal (in relative terms) is one thing, the Yankees still love being the Yankees. What the Yankees love to do is have that hidden pot of gold at the end for that one last player. My gut says it’ll be there for Robbie, no matter what they do beforehand. I’m still glad they’re not waiting, and I’m still glad they’re acting as if it won’t be there.

      Hey, maybe this is just gas and it won’t be there. I’m not buying it.

      • I’m One

        I tend to agree. It’s all just show. Robbie will get an offer somewhere around the Yankees initial offer and when all is said and done, the Yankees will swoop back in and take him back, similar to what they did with Teixiera.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          Definitely agree with this train of thought.

          • jjyank

            I do as well. Honestly, I don’t see why they’d sign McCann if they weren’t planning on adding more pieces around him. Robbie is coming back.

  • CS Yankee

    Didn’t know this (McCann) went down until the checked the site…I’m up to a 6 as the seem to be serious about doing something.

    Although the sucked at C position last year it isn’t their most needed position upgrade I feel as they have 3 ‘meh” options in 2014 but likely 1-2 “nice” options that could pan out in ’15-16.

    Get Tanaka, Kuroda & Cano and i’ll be a strong 9…hope Arod is back after 50 games and Jeet beats both father-time and the injury.

    Thinking this has to be their biggest signing since Teix?

    • TWTR

      It is better than the Tex signing because it is shorter. If Tex had a similarly structured deal, is money might be off the books. That is what will be important with Cano; a shorter contract.

      • MannyGeee

        Shorter is NOT always better. And Tex just might surprise the shit out of you this season. By, you know… being much better than Loverbay.

        And I am going to regret this question, but IF Tex was gone right now… fell off the planet… What deal would you make to fill his slot? Trade for the abortion contract of Prince Fielder? Sign the uber-health-question marks of Corey Hart, Youk or Mike Napoli? bank on Mark Reynolds as a dead cat bounce for a second year?

        There are LITERALLY a handful of ‘elite’ 1B in the game, and Tex (when healthy) is that.

        • jjyank

          Well I don’t think Tex is elite, even when healthy, anymore. But above average? Yeah, I think he can still be that.

    • CS Yankee

      err, “…up to a 6 as they seem to be serious…”

      (which is so unlike 2013)

  • Mister D

    Would Adam LaRoche be worth $18MM per year for half a decade if he were a bad defensive catcher instead of a great defensive 1B? If so, McCann is a good signing.

    2011-13 McCann: .329 OBP, .189 isoP
    2011-13 LaRoche: .332 OBP, .190 isoP

    • mitch

      If he were the same age, yes

      • Mister D

        Yeah, I’m fine backing it up and saying “would you have paid LaRoche $18MM per to hit like that as a bad defensive catcher”. I just don’t love McCann. Good hitter for a catcher is scary when he becomes a mediocre hitter elsewhere. Feels like more of the same old.

        • mitch

          There’s no doubt the last year or two could get ugly. You just hope he plays well enough the first few years that it’s worth it.

          18mil is a bargain for a top 5 catcher. It’s just a matter of how long he can stay at that level.

      • Mister D

        Also, I just really don’t like McCann the person. Seems like once per year I’m going to either hate him or defend something I don’t really want to defend.

      • Mister D

        So basically, I have a bias beyond the questionable numbers.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      Why do you think he’s a bad defensive catcher? He’s been above average in most metrics his entire career.

      • jjyank

        Yeah I was a bit confused by having him in that category as well. If I remember correctly, he’s not a great thrower, but is an excellent pitch framer.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          Ted’s happy, then.

      • Mister D

        Aren’t the positives on McCann’s defense the untangible “handles the staff” and the newly tangible “good framer”? The former … right … the latter could vanish with improved or more accountable umpiring.

      • Mister D

        Or to answer a question with a question: Has anyone seen a report that expects him to be catching through the end of this contract? Its not like catching at 34-35 is impossible so there has to be reason for that forecast, no?

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          I haven’t seen any reports of him as a “bad defensive catcher”, whether it be scouting, or metrics. I don’t know how all of them are compiled, but at some point, I have to trust established information.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          It is entirely possible.

          I think we’d all be happier, though, if Gary Sanchez was doing so well that he was making it an issue in a couple of years.

          • Mister D

            That’s also a little part of it. I know counting on prospects is about the dumbest thing you can do, but we essentially blocked Sanchez, Murphy et all with a guy whose bat plays down huge at 1B or DH. I’m just not thrilled. Seems like one of those signings we’ll look back on as seeming better than it was because he’s being compared to his free agent class and not being viewed in the larger context.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              This is always a huge issue, though, and why x player will get overpaid any given off-season. They were the best available in the pool, and a team had a need.

              I tend to think McCann would have gotten this sort of deal in any market. Even the years seem within reason for a player his age.

              I understand what you mean by blocking Murphy, at the very least, which is why my stance has been that I’d be fine with acquiring a catcher if he were a absolute upgrade, which McCann is. If this was a Ruiz or Salty or whatnot, I’d have rather the team focused elsewhere. For Murphy to develop into even 3/4 of what McCann will be moving forward, a lot has to go right. Sanchez is still further enough down the road to me that I don’t truly see him being blocked.

              What happens to Murphy? Maybe he’s in the 3B mix. Maybe he’s now the team’s truest “close to MLB” trade chip and helps us get that third baseman.

  • Jay D

    Went from 4 to 5.

    Huge upgrade at a position of need, still numerous holes to fix. I’ll move to a 6 or 7 if we get Cano at anything friendler than 7/185

  • jjyank

    I’m gonna go with an 8 for now, just because I’m so amped about the McCann signing. Not just having the player himself, but I love what this might mean for the direction of the rest of the offseason. The Yanks got a major target in the fold before Thanksgiving arrived, and that, to me, indicates a willingness to be aggressive and field as competitive a team as possible.

    I look forward to seeing what comes next. I believe going out and getting McCann off the board so early means that they won’t stop there. I can’t wait to see the next step.

  • NeilT

    I’m still a 4… one swallow and all that… McCann is a nice piece, but perhaps they paid $1.5-$2MM more than he’s worth (if Yadi was 5/75, how is McCann 5/85+?), which is the price of a utility bench player or a reliever or a scrap-heap project back-end starter.

    • TWTR

      Because Molina never became a FA.

      • Mister D

        Why does Mike Trout make less than Ichiro and Wells when Ichiro and Wells suck???

        • NeilT

          Because the Angels are paying Wells, Pujols, Hamilton, CJ Wilson and others.

          Because he’s only a second-year player and won’t be arb-eligible until next year (that’ll be fun).

          • Mister D

            I know, I was kidding. It was a commentary on apples-to-oranges contract comps.

            • NeilT

              The Mike Trout Extension/Arbitration story will be a nice one that builds up through next year, though. One to watch.

              If he has another MVP-caliber year, can you imagine what he might get through arbitration?

              • Havok9120

                Yeah. If he were on a smaller-market team, that would be reaaaallly interesting.

        • MannyGeee

          Because teh Peresnts and teh marketing and the Asias

  • Pinkie Pie

    I’m up to a 6 from my usual 5. McCann was a great addition at a postion of need, but this team still has a lot of moves to make before they can call themselves contenders. Namely resigning Cano, winning the bidding for Tanaka when (and if) he’s posted, and getting help at 3B, the outfield, and the bullpen. I’m cautiously optimistic that Cashman and Co. Can pull it off, but until they do I won’t get my hopes up for next season.

  • Eddard

    I think Brian McCann is a poor man’s Jorgie Posada. But I guess that’s better than Stewie, who is a poor man’s John Flaherty. McCann’s tenacity combined with Frankie’s energy will be a dynamic one two punch at catcher. And catcher is a very important position because he’s the handler of the pitching staff. Boston won a WS by signing up good clubhouse guys so I applaud Cashman for doing the same with the McCann signing. Great pick up. I’m at a 10.75 this week.

  • Vern Sneaker

    Very happy about the McCann signing. I’m still at 4 because my standard criteria is an opinion about the team’s chances of making the playoffs. That’s still very uncertain because of the unfilled holes, but we sure made a great upgrade.

  • BrianMcCannon (formerly HateMclouth)

    Up to a 6 not just because of the McCann signing, but also because there’s the (small) possibility ownership abandons plans to get under the cap. Really though, I wish they would just bite the bullet for the time being and blow past it. If they want to go through with it after Tex, CC, ARod come off the books that’s fine by me.

  • Kentucky Ed

    I’ve been at 2 for a long time, didn’t perceive a real commitment to improve things. McCann isn’t the total solution, but shows me they want to go the right direction. So a 5. Add Tanaka, Cano and his idiot agent come back to reality, and things look much better.

  • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

    What are they waiting for? Why are they wasting so much time trying to upgrade so many positions of need? Are they really happy with Stewart and Cervelli as their catchers next year? This team has no commitment to winning and will be terrible for at least 5 years.

    • jjyank


    • Robinson TIlapia

      Now you need to show faux-outrage at their actually signing McCann, while completely still holding the former point. GO.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        I can’t even fake that much cognitive dissonance. My brain would break.

      • Dalek Jeter

        And then they go and waste their money on McCann?! Sure Stewart and Cervelli weren’t great last year but they have so many other guys in Romine and Murphy…and is he really an upgrade? I mean Cervelli’s life time average is higher so how can McCann be better. What about replacing Feces Sabathia? Huh? Trade him for Kemp and then sign Kuroda, Tanaka, Garza, and Jimminez. CASHMAN FAILED.

        Okay…I think I’m having an aneurysm please call a hospital.

        • MannyGeee


  • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

    Still a 4 but trending higher after the McCann signing.

  • Captain Turbo

    Sitting on the fence with a 5 for now. McCann was a great start but until the Cano and A-Rod situations are cleared up and they plug some of the position holes I’ll adopt a wait-and-see approach.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      I really wish more people had the wait-and-see approach. Including myself. We’d all look much less stupid.

  • Mike HC

    From a 4 to a 6. Things are looking up.

  • Betty Lizard

    8 from 7 baseline.
    Because we signed a True Catcher.

    • ropeadope

      Wholeheartedly agree, as I’ve been at an 8 for quite a while now. Up until recently, Yankees have had success with catchers whose surnames could double as first names (Bill Dickey, Elston Howard, Russell Martin). But Chris Stewart broke the model. Hopefully McCann will evoke memories of Berra, Munson, and Posada – catchers whose surnames don’t work as first names.

  • MannyGeee

    I am sticking to my guns. I said a month ago I would stay at my baseline 7 until Cano is back in Pinstripes or in Rakuten as a Golden Eagle (no, I am STILL not committing to another MLB team being a legit contender).

  • Havok9120

    I’m up to a 7 from my baseline 6. As soon as they sign another major player, no matter who, I’ll probably further increase that. If they sign another player at ~15 per and then keep their offer open to Cano, I’ll be up to a 9 since that’ll be a pretty good indication that ownership’s heart is in the right place.

  • Get Phelps Up

    It’s so nice to not see 10-15% of the votes be 1 and 2 for a change.

  • OldYanksFan

    Massive cut and Paste job, RE: McCann’s Defense (career)
    (does not include his Above Average Pitch Framing)

    (fg) Defense – Fielding and Positional Adjustment combined (above average)
    McCann is solidly ABOVE AVERAGE
    (fg) TZ – Total Zone in runs above average
    (fg) CS – Caught Stealing
    McCann is 24%
    (fg) rSB – Stolen Base Runs Saved runs above average (C/P) (Fielding Bible)
    (fg) DRS – Total Defensive Runs Saved runs above average (Fielding Bible)
    (bRef) dWar – Defensive WAR
    (bRef) Rdrs/yr – BIS Defensive Runs Saved

    Don’t know what it all means…