Fan Confidence Poll: July 23rd, 2012

Swept in Oakland: A's walk-off with another win
7/23-7/25 Series Preview: Seattle Mariners

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Swept in Oakland: A's walk-off with another win
7/23-7/25 Series Preview: Seattle Mariners
  • Mike Ri

    I’m giving the Yanks a strong 9 . . . I’m not sweating the BS A’s series.

  • Ana

    Zero, clearly.

    But actually a 9 because we’re still pitching well/shit happens.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      Yeah, I agree. Because the team lost four in a row, zero is the only option. It makes no difference what they did prior to these four games. And we all know Girardi sucks as a manager.

      (I’m, still at a nine. Yes, some of Girardi’s decisions are frustrating, but the team is strong. Things are just normalizing a bit after going on a tear for quite some time and playing around .700 ball.)

  • Eddard

    I’m down to a 7 from a 10. The As exposed two big issues-

    1. Poor management in close ballgames. We lost 4 one run games. In the last game, Girardi took out the hot hand in an extra inning game so he could mix and match with lesser pitchers. And the pitcher he put in that blew the game had already blown a game in the series. That won’t fly in the postseason.

    2. No ability to move runners over and manufacture a run without a HR. What happened yesterday in extras when we got a man on 2nd with no outs? Nobody sacrificed. Nobody moved the runner over. The runner didn’t score and Girardi’s mixing and matching in the bullpen lost us the game.

    • Celerino Sanchez

      Agree with you. Now that Eppley has joined Wade as guys who pitched over their heads and came crashing back to earth, Girardi should have stuck with Phelps. I was thinking since he’s stretched out he’d be in for the duration.

      Oh well. Bottom line is they were exposed a little as a team that maybe won’t score as many runs when they face better pitching in the postseason where a team like Oakland made it work this weekend despite the Yanks pitching pretty well.

      • MannyGeee

        not entirely true. This team will still hit homeruns against real good pitching: they’ve had good outings against Verlander/Hernandez/Beckett/Lester/Haren (albeit an injury shortened outing).

        Just not against good pitching they’ve never seen before in pitchers parks. A Perfect Storm if nothing else.

        • Tim

          Fortunately in the playoffs they will have faced all of the pitchers before. But you can also include Shields/Price/Weaver as good pitchers that homers as basis for an offense have also been effective against. But it’s just easy to say they hit too many homers.

          Also it seemed to me that the A’s hit a few homers too? But it’s only too many homers when it’s NY?

          • Celerino Sanchez

            Agreed. Not saying they can’t or won’t score any runs against the good pitchers you listed. Just felt that in a series like this I didn’t feel truly confident that Tex was going to score after reaching second in the 12th but when Eppley was facing Crisp it felt like they had a chance to lose the game.

            I’m not one of those “too many home run” guys; if anything the lack of walks probably made the difference. Was surprised to see guys like Brandon Inge (batting less than .200) and Kurt Suzuki (with 0 HRs on the season) get big hits in a series the Yankees pitched pretty well.

      • thenamestsam

        “They were exposed a little as a team that maybe won’t score as many runs when they face better pitching”

        Wow, a team that doesn’t score as much when they face better pitching. It’s tough being exposed as just like every other team in the history of baseball.

        • Celerino Sanchez

          Totally missed the point. Of course every team scores less against really good pitching. The point is that the Yankees got really good pitching against the A’s and the A’s managed to win all four games this weekend.

          • thenamestsam

            So 14 runs in 4 games is all good but 10 runs is exposed. That makes sense. It’s not that I missed your point. It’s that your point was based on four close games and is effectively meaningless.

            • Celerino Sanchez

              What makes it so difficult to debate/discuss with someone like you is that every comment you post has some type of angry/nasty twist to it.

              Again you missed the point, the A’s average 3.8 runs per game and scored 3.5 per game is this series against the Yankees good pitching staff. The Yankees average 5.3 runs per game and scored only 2.5 per game in this series against a pitching staff more representative of a playoff type staff. That validates my initial thought that it perhaps exposed their flaws albeit in a small sample of four games. Given that all playoff series are “short” I do not think it is “effectively meaningless”.

              Stop being so unpleasant when other voice opinions different than yours.

              • RetroRob

                …or maybe it’s baseball and they lost four games in a row.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        “Crashing down to earth” is a bit of an exaggeration. Eppley’s never been seen as a worldbeater and has perhaps been used beyond the level of where he is the most effective. We’ve seen Mariano Rivera come into a game and promptly give up the game.

        He should have stuck with Phelps. Yes. However, Matt made a very good point in the recap thread in that this version of Phelps may start being seen as the short reliever they don’t think they’ll be able to get via trade. Think what you will of that.

        He’s managing to the bullpen pieces he’s got. These bullpens pieces are only going to work well under a small set of circumstances. He needs more flexible pieces than this (or I could always revisit my petition to MLB to allow the Yankees to swap Rapada/Eppley as many times as needed during a game.)

        • Celerino Sanchez

          Agreed. Just felt that he (Girardi) maybe could have learned his lesson from Friday night’s game with Eppley and the lefty.

          Crisp happens to be a mediocre player who seems to play his best against the Yankees. This weekend (pickoff excluded) he seemed to deserve more respect than Giradi was willing to give.

    • Dropped Third

      One series and you drop 3 points, we had a bad series but i agree if you put in 5 pitchers chances are at least one of them will suck that night. I know stats may say different but let the hot hand keep the ball.

    • RetroRob

      Judging by your comments a few days back that the division race was over, and now a drop from 10 (how can anyone ever be at ten?) to a 7 in a matter of days, well then I suggest…

      Actually, I have nothing to add.

  • JohnC

    6 straight strikeouts for Andruw Jones. Looked like he just gave up on that game winning hit by Crisp instead of hustling after it and maybe having a play at the plate, then intentionally bobbled it to cover his arse. Remind me again why he is on this team

    • Eddard

      To hit home runs. That’s all he does. He shouldn’t really be playing in the field so much but with the medical staff waiting 2 months to realize that Gardner needed surgery we’re stuck with Jones and Ibanez in LF. Cashman might want to upgrade that position defensively as well as get us a catcher.

      • gc

        You are such a joke. For over a week now, you’ve been screaming from the rooftops that we shouldn’t push the panic button and go out and get another outfielder, that “we would be just fine” with Jones, Ibanez, and Wise.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I don’t know about “joke,” but I too noticed quite the turnaround from someone who was all roses about the team before losing four straight.

    • MannyGeee

      yikes. conspiracy theory much? was he smiling when he did it, or pull on his ear or something?

      • JohnC

        Bet he was since he know he pulled one over on dopes like you by hitting an occasional homer

    • Robinson Tilapia

      The level of emotional projection going on around here since the losing streak is just hilarious.

      • JohnC

        I’ve never been a fan of Jones on this team. All he does is strike out or hit an occasional homer. In ST I was pingin for Yanks to drop him and keep Justin Maxwell. Still feel that way.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          That’s fair. You can not like a player (hell, I STILL don’t like Soriano), but that little bit of fiction you weaved above was absurd.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          You obviously don’t know very much about Justin Maxwell if you think they should have kept him because all Jones does is strikeout and hit the occasional homer.

        • YanksFanInBeantown

          The biggest difference between Maxwell and Jones is that Maxwell strikes out more and hits less homers.

  • MannyGeee

    The Yankees now suck , so I am going with a -2 this week. Gonna start watching NBA D-League for the rest of the summer instead of this abortion of a team.

    now that we are over the panic, lets call it what it is: a blip in the radar, and it happens yearly. They come out slow (so they’re done), they go on a great run (best team in the world), they drop a series against a team they have no business losing against (they’re done) and they will finish strong (best team ever)

    Its an 8 again this week, Joba’s almost back and thats all that matters to me.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      :-)

    • jjyank

      Agreed. Baseball is a streaky sport, some adjustment to the ~.700 winning pace they were playing before was bound to happen. Such is life in a season of baseball.

  • BK2ATL

    Sticking with an 8. They got swept on the road by a hot team. It happens. I don’t think it’s a long-term thing. Plus the pitching actually appeared pretty great, aside from one mistake here or there. Offensively…..

  • Robinson Tilapia

    We’ll fly the flags at half-mast this morning out of respect for the Oakland A’s and round down to a 9. Nothing’s changed. Life’s tough. Wear a cup.

  • Erica

    Still with an 8. Being swept by Oakland totally sucks, but I don’t think any less of the team.

    I CANNOT wait until Joba is back.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Good morning, Erica.

      • Erica

        Oh hello, Robbie T – how be thee?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Vacation over. Back at work. Mind at ease. Vacations are nice things.

          • Erica

            Vacations should just be mandatory every few weeks. I think we would all be a lot happier! Go anywhere good?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Nope. Staycation and birthday planning, but that was the point. We got our big massive trips out of the way for a few years before the baby came along. Those will return soon. I do miss travelling the way we used to. For now, two weeks in which I didn’t have to say goodbye to my boy every morning is good enough.

              • Erica

                Awwww! Well, it’s always nice to have that time to knock stuff out of the way -and I’m sure you had a lot of fun with your son, too!

                Soooooo, can we all agree that these last 4 games don’t count?

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  They count. I’m just not carving them into my arm.

                  • Erica

                    Stuart A definitely carved them into his arm, though.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Self-mutilation is just not a good look for a 90 year-old.

                      Had a blast, though. Great first birthday.

  • Kosmo

    It´s funny, Jeter is a .385 lifetime hitter vs. Colon 15-39 so Girardi decided to sit him in favor of Nix a dreadfully unproductive player. On the other hand Jeter is lucky to crack 45 RBI this season.

    Arod as DH covering about 100 ABs this season is a .343 hitter .913 OPS
    Hitting 3rd Arod is a .314 hitter, hitting 4th a .224 hitter.
    Tex hitting 3rd has a .319 ave 1.063 OPS, hitting 5th a .235 ave. .768 OPS.
    Cano hitting 4th a .340 hitter , 3rd .291, 5th .280.

    Arod and Tex should split time hitting 3rd and 5th leaving Cano to hitting 4th.

    I think NY might consider fasttracking Mark Montgomery to NY with a short stop at Trenton and a September callup from Scranton.

    Yanks cannot go into the playoffs with the bullpen as it´s currently constructed and expect to succeed. Ditto the LF situation. Adding a good right handed or switchhitting LF would allow Arod to DH vs. RHP and allow Chavez to play 3B on a regular basis.

    That the Yanks make the playoffs with this geriatric group I´d give a solid 9.5.
    In the offseason NY might have 2 rotation spots to fill, an unsettled Left and Rightfield and catcher situations to deal with and the problem of Arod and Jeter continuing to decline. I wonder how NY is going to spread the money around in the next 2 years to fill the holes all the while fielding a competitive team.
    A 7 moving into 2013.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I think the Yankees agree with you on the fifth paragraph. Wouldn’t surprise me to see these both addressed before the deadline or through a waiver deal.

      As for the rest, yes, there will be questions going into the offseason. It happens. We’ve been a bit spoiled by this kind of lineup stability for a few years now. Imagine how much worse fans of other franchises have it.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Arod as DH covering about 100 ABs this season is a .343 hitter .913 OPS
      Hitting 3rd Arod is a .314 hitter, hitting 4th a .224 hitter.
      Tex hitting 3rd has a .319 ave 1.063 OPS, hitting 5th a .235 ave. .768 OPS.
      Cano hitting 4th a .340 hitter , 3rd .291, 5th .280.

      Can we slice and dice these numbers any more? Perhaps RISP during day games or batting fifth with Nick Swisher and not Raul Ibanez batting sixth? The smaller the samples, the better.

      • Kosmo

        I think these numbers show a trend. Of course you would know better than I. Right ?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          ~100 at-bats spread across ~100 games is not a trend.

          • Kosmo

            this is stupid but AROD has played 1/4 of his games at DH this season and he´s hitting .343 in those games. That´s just some weird anomaly ? i don´t see it quite that way.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              He has hit well as a DH so far. History tells us it won’t continue. If they keep playing him at DH, soon enough his numbers will look exactly like his numbers at 3B if not worse.

              Alex has also mashed in games immediately following a day off. Should they only play him every other game as well?

  • thenamestsam

    The panic after 4 straight losses would be funnier if it didn’t also make you want to cry for the stupidity of humanity. The bottom line is taht after 95 games played we have the best record, the second best run differential and the biggest division lead. Who gives a flying fuck about 4 games in Oakland?

    And a special note for all the geniuses predicting that this team will fail in October: This does not make you Nostradamus. Ten teams get in. One team will win. Predicting that an unlikely outcome won’t happen doesn’t make you some kind of baseball savant.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’m very afraid of the rules of math and logic applying even more with a $189 million budget.

    • JohnnyC

      You’re sounding a little pitchy, dog. Chill.

    • Celerino Sanchez

      Second paragraph just makes you sound nasty and angry. If people are unhappy that they lost 4 straight to a team with a payroll about a quarter of the Yanks let them be unhappy. I sure would be in a better mood had they won a couple of those games.

      Just because it’s true that only 1 of the 10 teams will win it all doesn’t mean we can’t discuss what we might think is wrong with the team and why we might not think they’ll be that one team standing at the end.

      You make it seem like anyone who feels a little down today shouldn’t have an opinion just because you say so…chill.

    • RetroRob

      +1

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I never do this, but I’m proud of this point I just made in the recap thread:

    You have to wonder how many of these sudden gloomanddoomers are really now compensating for their actually thinking this was in the bag when the lead was ten games. I’d wager those of us who are calmer right now are the ones who actually never assumed anything, making it ironic that we’re the ones getting screamed at on here.

    • Erica

      I love seeing the psychos freak out. Love. It’s great entertainment.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Yes, and I think it’s very likely that it was them who were secretly, like, “It’s in the bag!” when the lead was ten, but now get upset with us because we’re not freaking out. It’s not that we’re not freaking out. It’s that we never thought it was in the bag to begin with. Leads evaporate. Shit happens. It’s a fight until the end more often than not.

    • jjyank

      You’d think by now baseball fans would realize that baseball is a marathon.

    • JohnnyC

      You must be double-jointed, patting yourself on the back like that. It must be something to feel as superior to others as you do. And you do it a lot, bro.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I only feel superior to some of you.

        • Jim Is Bored

          I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I think I should thank you? I’m not sure.

          • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

            JRR Tolkien, Lord of the Rings, Fellowship of the Ring. Bilbo Baggins’ birthday speech. Nice quote. For the record, I am a gigantic nerd.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Don’t tell my wife I missed that one.

              • Jim Is Bored

                I wasn’t honestly sure whether you’d missed it or were imitating the responses from the surrounding hobbits.

      • RetroRob

        Nothing in his comments suggest he’s superior. How can anyone not see the overreaction and the humor in this thread?

  • blake

    Need an outfielder

    • RetroRob

      An OFer? Just an OFer? We need 25 new players. No. We need an entirely new 40-man roster.

    • RetroRob

      …but I do agree. An additional OFer would be good as they head into the last two months.

  • Reggie C.

    8.

    Starting pitching held up well for the most part over the weekend. Sluggish bats and questionable base running escalated to an unlikely sweep, but I like the team’s chances to win the Mariners series.

  • Robert

    We just saw a preview of the playoffs. Any team with a strong pitching staff will silence the bomber bats.
    Lets just be patient and not trade but wait for the Mason Williams, Tyler austins and Gary sanchez’s to bloom in about 2 years to give this team a good jolt of youth!!

    And Why hasn’t David Phelps been put back in the rotation!!!!

  • Get Phelps Up

    This reminds me of what people were saying in May, except now they’re going to make the playoffs instead of being negated to 15 games behind the O’s. In the end, I’m still staying with a 9. After establishing themselves as a top 2 team in baseball over 91 games, I find it hard to get worked up about 4 one run losses to a team that is cray hot. Maybe if they like, completely got their asses handed to them in every single game, there’d be some cause for concern, but they lost all for games by one run. ONE run. Go on and sweep the Mariners.

    Also, people seem to not realize that the Yankees outscored the Tigers by 11 runs in the playoffs last year and averaged 5.6 runs/game in that series. This despite getting almost zero production from Tex, ARod and Swisher.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I think there’d be cause for concern if there were sustained declines across the board which can’t be attributed, say, to a hot team with a good pitching staff and some hitters that are scorching hot right now. That’s not what happened. The starting pitching was still solid. We’re upset with Eppley last night, but he was simply the last domino to fall there.

      Four games matter, but there’s a limit to how much you can extrapolate to.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      Your argument is valid, but your use of the word ‘cray’ could lead to me not respecting you. However, unless you correct me I’m going to go with the assumption that you just missed the ‘z’ while spelling ‘crazy.’

      • Get Phelps Up

        No correction needed. You are right.

        Damn z button being so easy to miss.

        • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

          Haha, it is. I missed it almost every time I needed to use it in that comment.

  • Frank

    Can we get Justin Upton please?

    The back page can read “Uptown Man”

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      No, because of his brother or something.

      • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle
        • Brian S.

          We should definitely trade for Justin Upton (including Brett Gardner in the deal) and sign BJ Upton this winter. An outfield of J-Up,B-Up,Granderson would be the blackest (and therefore the most athletic) outfield in baseball.

          • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

            Bahahahahahahha….I’m dying. But seriously, I’d be all for this. Upton, J in left, Granderson in CF and Upton, B in right…we’d never allow another extra base hit again!!! Also, not cool man…if you’re going to give the Upton brothers cool, urban sounding nicknames you should do the same for C-Grand.

            • Brian S.

              Granderson would be in right in this scenario since he sucks as a CF.

              • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

                I know, BJ is way better defensively…I’m just kind of a status quo kind of guy.

  • Frank

    Randy Levine?

  • steve s

    Just some historical perspective. The 1953 Yanks (the famous 5th WS winner in a row) ran off 18 wins in a row and held a 10.5 game lead on June 14 with a record of 41-11. After winning the next 5 of 7 they went on a 9 game losing streak (7 at home) dropping to 46-22 and saw their lead shrunk to 5 games by July 1. Moral of the story. Even great teams will have losing streaks; the 2012 Yanks are probably not as good as the 1953 Yanks but they are most likely not the 1964 Phillies either (or for that matter the 2011 Braves or Red Sox). A few adjustments at the trade deadline plus Joba and some home-cooking and they will be fine. The AL East is theirs for the taking.

    • RetroRob

      Right. The Yankees are a team that’s going to win somewhere around 95 games. They will have winning streaks, losing streaks, and a bunch of winning four-out-of-five stretches. They just had their first losing streak of four games all season long, the last team in MLB to get this far without losing four in a row.

      Yet people seem to think something is wrong.

      I really do wonder how long many of the cliff jumpers have been watching baseball.

  • Bavarian Yankee

    another week, another 8.

    Here’s a question for you guys: would you extend Swisher if he gets Carlos Quentin’s contract? (Quentin got 3/30)

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Yes, I would.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      In a heartbeat. Also, thank you Mr. Quentin for signing that deal, now during negotiations the Yankees can point to that deal and be like “look he’s younger, but basically the same player you are and he took this.”

    • Brian S.

      No because Swisher is not that good.

      • Brian S.

        Actually, I would sign him to that and then I would trade him to a team that needs a corner outfielder/first baseman.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          If that’s your plan, then why not just let him sign with that team? Who are you looking to acquire? Who plays RF in your scenario?

          • Brian S.

            Because the Yankees could get something nice in return for Swisher on that contract. Something better than a comp pick. As for RF Zoilo Almonte, Abe Almonte, Melky Mesa, Ronnier Mustelier, and Corban Joseph (could he handle RF?) will likely be major league ready by next year…why not see if one sticks? Also Cody Ross is a free agent and he could be one part of a badass platoon if the Yankees don’t want to give a minor league player a chance and he smiles less than Jones so he would be an upgrade.

            • Brian S.

              Hell, Ross hits righties now too. Doesn’t even need a platoon!

              • Robinson Tilapia

                You’d rather have Ross over Swisher, though? I wouldn’t.

                I could see Ross as caddy, with the other options you listed above being tested out. I just don’t see the team being comfortable with that sort of uncertainty from RF over the course of a season. It’s different than “Gardner got injured in LF, and we’re trying to bandaid it with these guys and see what’s out there….”

                • Brian S.

                  I would. He will likely get a smaller contract and he’s probably a better player than Swisher at this point in their careers.

            • RetroRob

              But you just said he’s not that good. If he’s not that good, why would another team trade for a player who is not that good?

    • RetroRob

      Yes.

  • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

    -7. I don’t know how any of you can be positive after that abortion of a series in Oakland. The Yankees proved the Too Many Homers thing true, Nix shouldn’t ever be allowed to touch a baseball, Jones is lazy and smiles too much, Giarardi is the worst bullpen manager in the history of baseball, Cashman should be fired for not trading for Harper/Trout already, The Yankees are an arrogant bunch of self centered me guys who only try to hit the homerun. Kuroda is inconsistent, Nova and Hughes are garbage, CC’s too fat to be an ace, we should trade Phelpls for Upton straight up cause he’s so amazing.

    That was fun. But seriously, bats go cold, fielders make physical mistakes (Jones in RF last night, Jeter at Short), and did anybody seriously believe we were going to keep winning at like a .750 pace the rest of the season? Only the 1998 Yankees get to do that. We are still one of the best teams in baseball, albeit with a few flaws, but I think this team as currently constructed could win the World Series. Therefore an 8 (9-10’s are reserved for teams that SHOULD win the World Series.)

  • Brian S.

    I see the Yankees haven’t traded for an outfielder since I woke up.

  • Betty Lizard

    Still an 8 which means the “overall future” continues to look very bright. Still open questions–waiting for Godot, er, Joba, and hoping Andy Pettitte returns in fine pitching form, worried about filling in for Gardner’s absence and, of course, wondering how Pineda will fare and how next year’s contract negotiations will pan out.

    So all in all, a very very good team (i.e. nothing’s really changed).

    Of course, I avoided the game threads the last four games so that may have affected my judgment.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      To me the current/future success of Nova, as well as Pineda are going to be keys in the Yankees getting under the 189 plateau. If they have both become solid starters, then your rotation is already 3 deep with CC, and that’s with out any prospects panning out or free agents being signed.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I was going to ask where Hughes figured here, but then I thought the following: Hughes is either going to pitch himself into…

        1. An easy decision to let him walk in 2014 due to lack of performance as a starter
        2. Inaffordability
        3. Good enough to re-sign at a reasonable price as a starter.

        Would love to see #3, obviously, but I wonder what 1 1/2 years of something resembling what we’ve seen since May or so will do to his price as a FA.

        • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

          The sad/scary thing about Hughes is any of the 3 could happen…Hopefully, if he continues being successful he’s smart enough to realize that there is no real difference between say 12mil and 15 mil a year and is somewhat grateful the Yankees stuck by him for so long, and give them a hometown discount. That would be my dream scenario.

        • Brian S.

          Robinson, would you try to get Hughes to sign a team friendly contract extension? Something like the one the Laptop Thief signed in Boston (4-30 or something like that) knowing that he has upside as a starter or could end up being a dynamite late inning arm?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I’m not sure. First instinct would be to say “let it play out a bit more.” See where you are next year. If you’re left holding (or not holding) the bag because of it, then so be it.

            Then again, if it’s a very reasonable extension, maybe it’s worth the risk.

            • Brian S.

              Yeah this close to free agency I’m not sure how much of a discount the Yankees could get him to agree to.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                The price could go up or down too. If what we’re seeing now is what we’re going to get, guys have gotten huge contracts from less.

                What would Jaret Wright get when extrapolated to 2012 numbers?

                • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

                  Could that name go on the list w/ Carl Pavano and the elder Weaver as names that we just don’t mention on this site lol. I get what your saying though. If Philbert continues the rest of this season as he’s pitched so far, and duplicates it next year, he could be seeing a nice pay day in his future.

                  • Brian S.

                    Which is why the Yankees need to extend him meow. If he can’t manage better than a low 4 ERA/FIP and they want to try a different pitcher they can always move him to the pen.

                    • Yak Face

                      You may be right. It’s a tough one to read because the player is a tough one to read. I have no clue.

                      My gut feeling is that they’re going to wait.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Argh.

                      Hey folks! I was “Yak Face” in the other thread. Suspense is over.

      • Betty Lizard

        That’s one reason for my love/hate relationship with baseball: it’s a system, with everything interdependent on everything else. That’s why I love reading ludicrous trade proposals which focus on “fix this one thing now!” and ignore the consequences to the team as a whole.

        Based on little evidence (my usual modus operandi) I remain super optimistic about Pineda.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Of course, but going along with that means less scapegoating and faux-righteous anger and, therefore, more boring sports radio and blog conversations.

        • Brian S.

          Pineda is a huge unknown for me. He could come back as good as he was last year or completely flame out and either way I would not be surprised.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Huge unknown. Hope for the best, but we’re reading tea leaves right now.

            • Brian S.

              Agreed. Anyone that says “He’ll be fine. He’s still going to be an ace,” or “His career is over. worst trade ever.” is talking out of their ass.

              • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

                Agreed completely. Nobody has any clue what he’s going to be. He could be Curt Schilling (who came back from similar surgery) or Mark Prior (who couldn’t) or he could settle somewhere in the middle and be a successful, but not dominant starter. Literally nobody knows beyond a guess what he’s going to be.

                • Jack Z

                  Literally nobody knows beyond a guess what he’s going to be.

                  Except for me. *laughs*

                  • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

                    DAMN YOU JACK Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Jack Z is Pillowpants.

                    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

                      Well Montero is 22 now, so he should’ve peed Jack out already…no?

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (former Manny’s BanWagon)

    Wow do people get irrational after a losing streak. 4 out of 162 does not a season make.

    That being said, it does somewhat concern me losing games like this since these types of games are the kind you expect to play in the postseason. Shaky managerial decisions, lack of timely hitting and poor pitchng from the pen will send you golfing quickly come October.

    Hopefully Joba can replace Eppley and along with Soriano, Robertson, Phelps and the 2 lefties help lock down the pen.

    • Brian S.

      Joba will replace Qualls.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Yup. Eppley will just ROOG s’more.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (former Manny’s BanWagon)

          Once Pettitte comes back, Freddy shifts to the pen as long man and Eppley goes bye bye.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            You forget that rosters will be at 40 by then.

  • CS Yankee

    A big phat 8.

    Started the season a 9, went down to an 8 in early May (injuries/play), back up to a 9 in early-June, and now back at an 8.

    Not the A’s series somuch, but the Grit’ is gone (in ’12 at least) and we have a challenged OF & late inning manager, or so i feel. Raul is bad in the OF, but Jones takes forever to get a ball in the gap and whenever a game goes extras I feel that the away team on an away day packs their bags during the ninth. Maybe that is what Joe should do as its an older team (and he can’t afford one game to affect the next three), but it doesn’t make it fun to watch unfold.

    My fear is that they’ll get Shane or an “older” OFer versus a Span/Upton type. I would rather they go Dickerson or a great young talented guy, but not the stop-gap Vet that they have a habit of aquiring come deadline. I feel this years need is youth, due to the age of Raul/Andruw, Arod, Chavez & Jeet.

    If they stand pat or aquire talent (by the deadline), I’ll be back to a 9…however, if they get a Shane-type player while giving up a Phelps/Williams type guy, well that’ll suck bigtime.

  • Jose M. Vazquez

    The team is essentially good and should win the AL east but it will not be easy. I never take anything for granted. We could as said above improve at catcher and in left field. By the way where is Plank? Where is Montero is/was dinero. I miss their comments very much.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I assume Plank is either real busy abroad or just got sick of the bickering and needed a break.

      It’s never easy, Jose. You’ve been around long enough to know that. You’re not going to maintain a ten-game lead in the standings for long in this division.

      • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

        I miss Plank, he was around when I was a newb last season. As well as The Honorable Congressman Raul Mondesi, Montero is/was Dinero, TJSK/The Elder, and some guy named Jesse. However, I’ve fallen into a groove with the likes of you Mr. Tilapia, Greg, jjyank, Brian S, as well as Erica when she’s not too busy w/ other stuff.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Those are some shoes to fill. I didn’t even need to comment on anything back in the day. I’d just lurk, sit back, and laugh my ass off all day.

          If those who think me, Ted, etc. can be tough/condescending/whatever, we are not 1/10th of the hurt those guys would have laid on some of what we read here.

          I still see Jesse around at times. Miss that dude. Damn smart fan for a guy still in his teens. Always liked him.

          • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

            Right? when he told me he was a teenager last year I was blown away. However, I feel like we comment just as frequently as those guys did back in the days of yore. I also hope you all will be around for years to come, because I have a feeling I’ll be.

  • Matt

    8.5 insofar as the ’12 club, four frustrating games notwithstanding. Current team could certainly use some reasonable upgrades at the margins:

    1. Potentially bringing in a C (Kotteras? Jaso? R. Hernandez?), who aren’t owed any significant money and can at least potentially platoon with Martin. I like Russ Martin and don’t need my catcher to rake, but if the position doesn’t need to be a complete blackhole offensively, that’d be great.

    2. Would not move significant pieces to acquire a reliever, but the construction of the pen – less specialist oriented – needs to change ASAP. Here’s hoping Joba is ready to be effective. And as much as I’d like to see him start, I’d rather use Phelps as a hige leverage reliever for the rest of the year then have to move anything major for a volatile reliever.

    3. Could use an upgrade at utility infielder – if they’re not comfortable with Nunez, maybe you take a flyer on Scutaro. Not a must have, but improve at the margins. Nix isn’t hopeless, but man the lineup starts to look short on certain days, esp. v. LHP.

    4. Obviously the huge question is whether to acquire an outfielder – and whether you’re looking scrapheap or thinking big. I’d be curious to know the asking prices on Venable and Parra. Different players (Parra being much younger, but they’re both cost-controlled) and most certainly complementary pieces, they’re not by themselves going to replace Swisher’s production next year – but I like them better than I like Denard Span and I think they’re pieces worth having going forward if they can be acquired reasonably (will cost some real value, but if excessive, just pass).

    If you can’t get one of those guys reasonably, then for sure, if you can get Victorino without too much of an overpay, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Don’t think this club needs outstanding everything at every position, but I don’t trust the Jones/Ibanez platoon to hold up, especially Raul. Frankly, acquiring Victorino would give the Yanks the flexibility to lose Ibanez and upgrade at DH/bat of the bench should they so choose (perhaps even internally, i.e. Branyan).

    Long term, make shakier outlook. Really pleased with the pitching and that’s big. So much rides on Pineda being able to back and at least close to what he was, on Nova’s continued development, on Banuelos getting back on track and possibly even on Phelps emerging as a legit starting option.

    The dearth of near-MLB ready position players is of tremendous, tremendous concern as the supposed 189 budget gets closer. Hopefully by the end of 2013, the Yanks have a better sense of when/if Williams and Austin might be ready to help. But otherwise, they’re going to have to use excess pitching to acquire outfield help over the next couple years.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Pretty much where I’m at. I’m not sure I see utility IF as a huge need, although I understand the frustration with Nix and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see a guy like Scutaro in pinstripes by 7/31. My mother-in-law would be thrilled with that.

      If I was in charge, I’d think bigger as far as the outfield goes in the off-season, when you actually know what your needs are. Let’s get someone who can fill in everyday for Gardner effectively for the stretch run. No, I don’t think that person is in the org right now.

      I agree with you that they rolled the dice with Qualls with the bullpen spot, and that the current plan may be to stick with Phelps in the role for the rest of the season. I’m conflicted as to what I think there.

      Yeah, it’s a bit shaky moving forward, but at least it’s not boring. Lots to talk about and analyze moving forward. Bound to happen.

  • Paul VuvuZuvella

    8….yawn.