Fan Confidence Poll: September 16th, 2013

Swept: BoSox embarrass Yankees in series finale
Sherman: Manny Banuelos is pitching in simulated games

Record Last Week: 3-4 (27 RS, 40 RA)
Season Record: 79-71 (619 RS, 634 RA, 73-77 pythag. record), 12.5 GB ALE/3.0 GB WC
Opponents This Week: Mon. OFF, @ Blue Jays (three games, Tues. to Thurs.), vs.Giants (three games, Fri. to Sun.)

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Swept: BoSox embarrass Yankees in series finale
Sherman: Manny Banuelos is pitching in simulated games
  • Farewell Mo

    These are the last 2 weeks of Mo, Hughes, Joba and possibly Cano, Pettitte, Granderson and Kuroda. Let’s hope they all go out with a bang

    • I’m One

      Yeah, I’d love to see a nice run these next 12 games, even if they don’t make the playoffs.

  • I’m One

    This should be “interesting”.

    I’m down to a 6 (although probably should be at a 5). This season, I’m at a 5 and going forward, I’m probably at about a 6. Next season does not look good, but the offseason is when we really find out what direction the front office will take, so I am holding out a bit of hope. They really need A-Rod to be suspended for the full season, or at least 150 games, to allow them some payroll flexibility. If that doesn’t happen, they’re pretty much screwed.

    Should be an interesting offseason.

    • Kosmo

      if you subtract all/or near all of Arods 2014 contract from the books NY will have a payroll of approx. 95 million in guaranteed contracts. If NY resigns Cano at lets say 22-25 mil per NY will still have 60 million to play around with.

  • Pinkie Pie

    Despite how ugly things look right now, I can’t bring myself to vote lower than a 5. Considering that they still have a series left with the Rays and an otherwise easy scehdule from here on out, there’s still have a semi-decent chance that they’ll grab the second wildcard spot. As for the future, all I can opine is that this offseason is going to be verrrrrrrrry interesting. What really bums me out though is that Cano in all likelihood isn’t going to reach the 80-walk plateau. Kabak’s hat shall live to see another year.

    • Pinkie Pie

      *they still have

  • Farewell Mo

    Of the top 6 teams in the AL wild card race, the worst run differential is +36 other than the Yankees who are at -15. No team in baseball other than the Yankees has a winning record who are negative.

    It seems that Girardi has done one hell of a job this year.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I think a lot of guys have done a hell of a job, Joe certainly one of them. Just like I think the guys who want to blame the world’s ills on him take it too far, I can’t really pin much other than intangibles on Joe. Being where they are HAS to be a team effort, to me. Thank Lyle Overbay. Thank Preston Claiborne (who clearly needs a NAP.) Thank Ivan Nova. Thank the guys who stepped up when someone had to.

      • SDB

        When the season began, I did not expect that we’d still be following things so closely in September for any reason other than Mo’s farewell tour. This team’s still 8 games over .500, and I had expected a losing season.

        Girardi’s done a tremendous job. As you’ve said, many others have stood up in some rather surprising situations. Claiborne was very impressive until the last couple of weeks. Loverbay has had some really clutch hits. Hafner had some moments early in the year, so did Wells. Wells at 3B in Arizona was one of the more fun moments of this season.

        Not every season can be a winning one, but I’ve enjoyed what this team’s been able to do despite a million injuries and all the other contractual constraints.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          + 1,000,000

        • lightSABR

          Agreed. The ongoing train of injuries and sudden collapses in performance (especially C.C.’s total disappearance) has felt like a string of kicks in the groin, and the front office’s apparent lack of agreement on any plan to fix things terrifies me, but Joe and (most of) the players have given us much better and much more entertaining baseball this season than we had any right to expect.

          I’m at a 1, but still: Go Yankees.

        • toad

          It’s one thing to recognize all that, and another to be optimistic about the future. The Yankees need a new approach to personnel, with vastly more emphasis on prospect evaluation and development.

          My own suspicion – no, I don’t really know – is that these have not been high priority items for them in recent years. But times change.

          I’d like to see a heavy investment in those areas, and in IFA’s. Whatever else the Yankees have, they have money. It’s a question of using it wisely. My own pessimism has more to with my doubts that mgt knows how to do that.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            No one should be at a job like GM for an incredibly long period of time. Things change, and I think you need to cycle in new ideas and approaches. Does that mean I want Cash run out of town? Of course not. However, I do think the team needs to reinvent what the next big run is going to look like, and you can never have the mid-90’s again. Part of that probably does mean, to me, that Cash is much closer to end of his stint as he is to the start of it. I still think he gets bumped up between now and the end of next season.

  • steves

    I think the pythag says it all about this season. A team that should be performing under .500 somehow enters its last 12 games with a chance for a playoff berth. A pretty significant miracle if you ask me. The real issue is that the Yanks are no longer a team in transition; they are a team in need of a full rebuild and it is not clear to me that Cashman is the right guy to handle a rebuild; he’s been able to keep the Yanks in the top echelon since 98 through a mix of bona fide superstar free agents, some farm help and a great base of HOF’ers. All of those components are no longer in the mix. All in all a tip of the cap to the 2013 squad and much cringing as to how to pull off a successful and quick rebuild. I have little confidence that current Yankee management will be able to have the Yanks back on top quickly without going back to spending top dollar which is not the way they seem to be headed.

  • Eddard

    Mike, we’re at a 0 and we’ll continue to be at a zero until Brian Cashman, Joe Girardi and CC Sabathia are shown the exit.

    To all who are defending Cashman, why? If Cashman had his way they’d be 10 games under right now because it was Cashman who didn’t want Soriano, it was Cashman who didn’t want Alex to come back. It was Cashman who extended CC and gave us a $23 million 5th starter for 4 more seasons.

    I don’t think Girardi is that bad but when a regime change is made at GM the manager usually follows. I think Joe was dealt a bad hand by Cashman but a change is needed at GM and manager in order to move forward.

    CC has a 5 ERA which puts him in the company of the worst starters in the AL. Hughes is just as bad but CC makes $20 million more and at least we know Hughes will be gone at season’s end. CC has lost velocity, he can’t hold any lead he’s given and ownership needs to try anything possible to deal him this offseason. I’m hoping one of those NL West clubs will be willing to make a deal.

    The Yankees need to start fresh. Start building from within and not signing every 30 year old FA to a 7-8 year deal for $20+ million/yr. The test will be to see how they handle the Robbie Cano deal. If they give him 7+ years you’ll know it’s the same old management. If they draw a line in the sand and say no more 7+ year deals for players about ready to hit their decline years then we’ll have turned a corner.

    • HateMclouth (formerly I’mVernon)
    • jjyank

      “If Cashman had his way they’d be 10 games under right now because it was Cashman who didn’t want Soriano”

      I know it’s Eddard, so I shouldn’t take you seriously, but I just have to say this in response:



      I agree I wanna see Cashman and Joe gone after this season. I’m not into the style of Joe managing and as long as Cash keeps giving Joe 90 different guys the Yankees will see 20 different guys playing in one game. I said this team will win 85 games and miss the post season, it’s seems they might not even win 85. So after this year I’m hoping it’s time to clean house starting with Cashman, Scouting, Joe. How this lineup got constructed of all replacement I’ll never know. Hopefully they end the season so bad someone finally does something. How you go into a season without a catcher I’ll never understand it. 2014 even more holes to fill and as fans we can only sit back and watch how this 2014 lineup is going to be made. More misfits anyone?

  • Robinson Tilapia

    7. Same shit, different week.

    Last three games were awful, with not even the pyhrric victory that was the offensive output of the previous weekend to be found. It’s still three games, though, and that doesn’t shake my thoughts on the team in the next 13 games moving forward, nor does it reshape what I saw for the past 149 games. Like RRR said in one of his comments, they are who I thought they are. This is the dogfight I thought they’d be in.

    So let’s say 4 for the rest of the season, as it’s slightly below even money for me simply because they’re currently on the outside looking in, 7 for 2014 since I don’t go into off-seasons lacking confidence, no matter what’s been said or what is theorized, and 8 for beyond 2014 based on the fact that I’m a fan of the New York Yankees, and the New York Yankees don’t stay down for long, if this is even “down.”

    • jjyank

      A lot of Yankee fans (from what I’ve seen on here) consider this a down year. And a lot of fan bases would love to smack us across the head for calling a year in which we play meaningful games in mid-late September a “down” year.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I wonder how fans of every other team in this race with us, who are also screwing the pooch during this final stretch, feel.

        I know that fans of the San Francisco Giants outright laugh at our outrage.

        • Jerrold

          But why would Yankee fans give a shit about what Giants fans or various loser teams’ fans think? A down year for NY may well be an OK year for them. Who cares about their expectations?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Well how do we know that person’s expectation is? How do you know what each Yankee fan’s expectation is?

            I don’t see the opinion of fans of other teams to be less worthy than a Yankee fan’s opinion. If anything, I find that fans of other teams tend to see through the bullshit quite a bit more as far as the Yankees go.

            George Steinbrenner told me a lot of things when I was a kid. He also told me he wasn’t firing Yogi, that all was cool between him and Dave Winfield, etc. I tend not to believe him.

      • LK

        They have their lowest winning percentage since 1992, so there are 20-year-olds for whom this is the worst team of their lifetime (and their run differential is currently worse than it was in 1992). They’re currently in 4th place in a 5 team division. For the Yankees it *is* a down year; to refuse to admit that is delusional. Obviously from the perspective of MLB as a whole it’s a very solid season, but when you have the highest payroll in MLB history I’m not sure you get the luxury of a context-free assessment.

        All that said, it can (and sooner or later, will) get much worse.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          It’s always going to get worse. You can’t be on top forever, no matter who you are.

          We’re dying to separate what’s “down” for the Yankees versus what’s “down” for every other team, and I just don’t see how that’s possible. The New York Yankees are still one of 30 teams in baseball. Payroll is just one consideration, albeit a healthy open, in determining success. Every team still has to go out there and win ballgames.

          It continues to go back to the idea of the “championship or bust” approach GS3 would yell about. The more literally you take that, as a fan, the more torture you’re bringing onto yourself since no team can win a championship every year and no team has done it with the regularity of the New York Yankees.

          Like I said before, GS3 would yell about a lot of things. I spent most of my childhood wishing he’d just shut up.

          The Beatles broke up before I was born. It doesn’t mean I don’t know they’re a good band. There’s my submission for “silliest parallel of the day.”

          • I’m One

            There’s my submission for “silliest parallel of the day.”

            No comparison to the “Lewis and Clark” parallel. (We got a lot f fmileage out of that one and I suspect it will pop up again in the future.) Keep trying. :-)

          • LK

            The “championship or bust” mantra is completely ridiculous, and you’ll never find me spouting that kind of nonsense. However, when your franchise is having its worst season in over 2 decades, it’s a down year. It’s really pretty simple. It doesn’t mean all perspective has to be lost that what makes it a down year is the fact that they’ve been so successful prior to this year. It’s not the end of the world, but there’s no reason to be unwilling to admit what appears to me to be an objective fact.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Can’t disagree with this, actually. You’re not saying it’s a bad year in and of itself. You’re saying it’s the worst year in an extended period.

              • LK

                Right, exactly. The fact that it’s a down year is actually a testament to just how awesome the Yankees have been.

  • LarryM Fl

    5 the same as last week. I did not hold much hope for a playoff spot. Now it is confirmed. Depending on the FO actions with Cano and qualifying offers, my confidence could go higher or lower.

    Next year should be a mess but we could be surprised. Unfortunately, the starting rotation appears to be in a rebuilding mode at first glance. What do we gain with signing Kuroda? The other pieces are not in place. He has shown the past two years to hit a wall in August/Sept.

    The minor leagues are 2 years away from any viable assistance to the big club.

    Why is it most Yankee pitchers have a tough time throwing the change up?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      With Kuroda, I guess the question I pose back to you is whether you’re willing to live with some trouble in the latter months if he’s able to be the contributor he’s been majority of the year. I lean towards “yes” there, but I’d certainly understand the counterargument there.

      Next year could be a mess. It also may be an opportunity to do 2013 better. It also may be neither of those things. There are numerous challenges to address. If what we seemed to see as the handcuffing that Cash went into potentials deals happens again, and we wind up playing catch-ups to fill spots what high-risk vets, etc., it won’t look good. I choose to be hopeful.

      Murphy could contribute next season. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility at all that Austin and/or Slade, more likely the former, could start knocking on the door next year. Pineda and Banuelos will be hampered by workload in some way, but will be in the picture at some point. I think we underestimate what the system can do pretty constantly on here.

      We used up our lifetime changeup allotment on Edwar Ramirez, Larry.

      • LarryM Fl

        I expect a couple of down years 2014 and 2015. I believe it will take the additional 2 years to get back on course. If I’m correct the team will be much younger with veteran presence in all aspects of the game. I do not believe Hal and Hank want a mess such as the early 70’s brought the franchise.

        I will always be hopeful. If this team can content on the back end of a WC race with all their issues. I can see us contenting in 2015 to some extent similar to this year.

        The Yankees are my team since ’56. 28 is not that far away, I hope.

    • Kenny

      To give a more serious guess on that changeup question. Maybe it’s not taught with much seriousness in the Y’s MiL system. It’s not easy to toss a good one, and it needs to be worked on for years in the minors. That’s one of the many reasons why baseball is so difficult a game, very little of this grad. from college and zip into the starting rotation. Hell, or zip into a starting lineup.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Very well said.

  • Robert

    Happy to see Betances and CR Murphy get some playing time. Really hope they get more.

  • Kosmo

    What I´d like NY to do this offseason:

    sign Morales DH 3 yrs 10m per 30 yrs old
    sign Navarro C 3 yrs 3m per 30 yrs old this allows development time for Romine or Murphy and then Sanchez in 2015.
    trade for Freese 3B under team control thru 2015 at 3.5m per just enough development time for Jagielo
    post high bid for Tanaka and give him Darvish type money 9-10m per over 5-6 years
    re-sign Kuroda at 13.5m
    sign Garza 4 yrs 14m per or trade for a SP
    trade for Gregarius SS

    • jjyank

      Interesting thoughts. Here’s where I come down on these.

      1. I’m down Morales.
      2. No on Navarro. I mean, he’s been great this year, but it’s half a season and 234 PA of a sample size. Not really a fan of giving him 3 years and banking on this being the real Navarro. Besides, Romine and Murphy are already in the bigs. We don’t need a catcher for 3 years to buy time for them.
      3. A big pass on Freese. He’s pretty overrated (which will probably inflate his trade value) and injury prone.
      4. Yes to Tanaka, though maybe not at Darvish money.
      5. Yes to Kuroda.
      6. Yes to Garza, I’d take that if he’d take 4 years.
      7. I’m not really impressed with Gregorius. If he came cheap enough, maybe.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Yes on Kendry(s.)
      Hell no on Navarro.
      Lukewarm on Freese.
      Yes on Tanaka.
      Hell yes on Garza.
      No clue how youo get Gregorius in pinstripes.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        And hell yes on Kuroda

        • Kosmo

          it is rumored that Gregorius might be available because of Chris Owings SS who was the PCL player of the year and is being considered the D-Backs SS of the future. Owings is the better all around player with Gregorius being the slightly better D player with good range.
          At what cost to NY ? Something like a top 5 Yankee prospect or 2 top 20 or so. Mason Williams and a RPP or Ramirez and Murphy and a RPP. This past off season the D-backs essentially gave up Bauer for Gregorius in a 3 team trade.
          just spitballin.

  • jjyank

    So what do you guys think happens with Murphy next year? Does he start back in AAA, or the bigs?

    I’d love to see some kind of 50-50ish split with him and Romine, with maybe a slight edge to Romine while Murphy can also get worked into the DH rotation.

    • Kosmo

      don´t see NY letting 2 inexperienced catchers start the season behind the dish. I see one probably Murphy starting the season at AAA and NY looking at signing a FA catcher.

      • jjyank

        I’m aware that what I want to happen is probably different from what will happen.

        Of course, Romine wouldn’t be so inexperienced if he was starting over Stewart more often. At some point, the team owes it to themselves to see what they have with those two.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Romine has half a year’s experience at this point, at least.

        I don’t think it’s likely, but I could see a two-headed rookie monster. If this is what you guarantee me will happen, I’ll sign off on that just fine over external options.

        Does Frankie have options? I’d stash him away in AAA if he does. I also think it’s more likely he’s seen his last game as a Yankee due to TEH BIOGENESIS AAAARGH.


    Has been zero and still is zero

  • Delbert Grady

    I’m at a 1. With Mo retiring and Andy, Kuroda and Hughes all probably leaving there is no pitching for next season. Not to mention what we have right now is cooked. All we have next season is the ghost of CC and the hope that Nova wasn’t a mirage.

    The offense is worse. If Arod isn’t suspended, they won’t spend his money elsewhere. They’ll go into next year depending on Jeter, Arod and Tex which is giving up.

    If Girardi is retained you can bet your bottom dollar Stewart will be our starting catcher unless some other no hit “pitch framer” becomes available.

    A regime change would at least break the cycle and make us fans mentally prepare for some changes/tough years. More of the same? Not going to cut it. They aren’t developing players. They develop bullpen arms and platoon split guys. If the active game day roster could be 50, the development process and Girardi’s way of managing just might work.

    And using the Red Sox as some model is silly. They would’ve given Lackey away to anyone who would’ve taken his contract. Every closer they had in their plans early on failed. They’re not some perfectly constructed team. They just had the good fortune of being in the division with teams built by clowns.

    With our pitchers all cooked and 100 million in hitting on the DL, we made them look like the big Red machine. That’s not bad luck. It’s bad management by the front office that had opportunities to supplement the roster in the off season and chose not to put money on the books past this season. The shell game of 189 in 2014 was the goal this season. Not the playoffs. If you really think the Yankees worked their butts off to put together a playoff team, you’re in deep denial.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    They did better than I thought they would so I’m over 5, maybe 6. OK, if you measure confidence by likelihood of getting into the playoffs, then of course it’s pretty low. But they have outperformed expectations, and will finish over .500 with a negative run differential. That’s not too shabby. If the pitching had held up one more month, after the bats got back in there, and if CC had won 4 or 5 more games, we’d be fighting for first, not the second WC. Then there’s the vicissitudes of the baseball gods to consider: Who could have predicted that CC would be this bad this year, or that Mike fucking Carp would be this good?

  • Preston

    This series was tough, I have complete confidence that this team can roll off a good 12 game stretch and maybe make a push for the play in. But this Boston team is what is waiting on the other side of that and we’ve shown no ability to stop them from scoring. In games against Boston this year we’ve allowed an average of 6.4 runs per game, against everybody else it’s 3.9 per game, they’ve just had our number this year.

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      All I want is the chance a Boston in the ALDS.

    • Jason

      Preston, it would help if you’d stop giving up grand slams to them.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Well played.

  • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)


    I said it once I will say it again with everything that has happen to this team they shouldn’t even be here. The fact that they are in the hunt is a miracle in itself. They are 3 games back with 12 games left 9 of them vs. awful teams and all the other contenders are playing each other.


    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      “The fact that they are in the hunt is a miracle in itself” everyone repeat that statement before voting. Steady 6.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      Right. They have outperformed expectations and hung in there. Unlike the Blosox, who dealt with adversity last year with KFC and Bud in the clubhouse.

  • Bryan

    At a 6. Just confused about the direction of the org and who’s really in control at the top.

    A few things I might consider this offseason in the imaginary world where my opinion matters:

    1) Think long and hard about signing Tanaka (which it seems they are)
    2) Think long and hard about an extension for Gardner
    3) Sign Choo to play RF
    4) #noVernons
    5) Stephen Drew
    6) Bring back Curtis

    Nothing ground breaking, but things I’ve thought about so far.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      1. Yes.
      2. Depends.
      3. No.
      4. Always a wise choice.
      5. Yes.
      6. Yes.

      • SDB

        4. I’m not getting the hate for Vern. As a bench player to come in as a replacement to field or pinch hit, or to platoon against LHPs, I don’t have an issue with him. I’m not a fan of bringing him out on the field every day, but in the right roles, I think he’s got a lot of use.

        And I love the guy’s attitude and from all reports, what he brings to the clubhouse. Older guy with a big contract who’ll still be the first to put his hand up and offer to play 2B if Robbie’s hurt, or will stand in at 3B and give it his best shot in Arizona, etc. He’s not Grandy, he’s not even Swish, but for the money he’s getting I don’t have an issue keeping him around.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          When push comes to shove, I can’t say I can argue with this. It’s just fun to bust on the guy, no matter how good a teammate I know he actually is.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      Yep, depends, NO, obv, yep, depends

  • wedge

    Chris Stewart is by far the worst offensive player to ever get this many at bats in a season

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Disagree. There’s been FAR worse.

      Doesn’t mean he’s good, though.

      • I’m One

        OK, but how many of those worse players were supposed to be defensive specialists, as we were told Stewart was?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Well, that’s quite the qualifier, though.

          He’s definitely the worse starting catcher for the Yanks I can remember since Cerone.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      One of the worst Yankee catchers yes. When your numbers are worse than Jake Gibbs’, you’re in trouble.

      • I’m One

        Hey, Jake Gobbs was one of my favorites. Stop picking on him! :-)

        • I’m One

          Gibbs, not Gobbs.

        • Rolling Doughnut

          OK but only because I’m a big Who fan. I got a Gibson/without a case…

  • JLC 776

    This team exceeded my wildest expectations. I hate to think that the Red Sox put the dagger in our hearts just as we’ve put in theirs so many times before.

    I suspect a strong drop in the CF… maybe even footnote worthy.